Jaguars Vs. Browns Final: Missed opportunities and poor clock management prove costly
by Adam Stites on Nov 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST
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And the frustrating game of a frustrating year award goes to...
At 3-6 a loss to the Browns 14-10 isn't something I would've thought could have been as frustrating as it was. Perhaps if the Jaguars offense hadn't missed on so many opportunities to put points on the board, I wouldn't be so frustrated right now.
At the end of the first half the Jaguars spoiled a drive into Browns territory and resigned themselves to a Nick Harris punt from the 40 yard line of Cleveland with 15 seconds remaining in the half. A potential game tying drive came to an end with a 42 yard Josh Scobee field goal following a backwards pass out of bounds that backed the Jaguars way up. That was following a missed pass out of the back of the end zone by Blaine Gabbert intended for a wide open Jason Hill.
But the ultimate frustration came on the final drive of the game.
With 2:49 to go in the game, Gabbert had the tough task of driving the Jaguars offense 71 yards down the field to score a game-winning touchdown. With completed passes to Mike Thomas, Marcedes Lewis, Jarett Dillard and Chastin West as well as a key pass interference call to continue the drive, the Jaguars found themselves on the five yard line with 41 seconds to go.
A three yard run by Maurice Jones-Drew got the Jaguars to the two yard line, but rather than elect to take a timeout the Jaguars ran the clock all the way to 13 seconds before running again up the middle. Jones-Drew only got one of the two yards necessary and the Jaguars came up short. It was with eight seconds remaining that the Jaguars finally decided to use their final timeout.
That took the option to run away from them as a pass was the only way they could get two attempts at the endzone. With the first, Gabbert threw a perfect the ball that hit Jason Hill directly in the chest, but was dropped. With three seconds to go in the game, the Jaguars elected to go away from the best player on their team by not running or by throwing to him. Instead Gabbert threw an incomplete pass behind Mike Thomas in the back of the endzone.
There will be plenty of blame to go around, but the brunt of the blame does not rest on the shoulders of Gabbert in my eyes. The rookie had his best game of the season and had his pass to Hill been caught, would have been the hero of the week. Instead, the Jaguars receivers disappoint yet again.
However, had the Jaguars called timeout after the first Jones-Drew run, they would've had over 30 seconds to run four plays from two yards out. Much different and much easier than eight seconds to go one yard.
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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Let's see Smith rage-cut Jason Hill
…he won’t. But it was funny when he did that to Nate whateverhisnamewas
He won't....
But after that drop in the endzone I don’t think anybody round here would be mad if he did
by CoalJaguar on Nov 20, 2011 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WHAT? No. No. He did NOT have a good game. You do NOT drop that game-winning touchdown pass and have a good game.
What about his other bad drops? Good drops?
by Alfie Crow on Nov 20, 2011 5:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fire Jack now!
It’s official this season is a wash, the fan base is getting angry and like me slowly turning apathetic towards the franchise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4jGSvxCRp4
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by tiquanunderwear on Nov 20, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions
What am I looking for?
Because if your point is Haden held Hills wrist, I dont give a tish. That pass hit him in the chest…he could’ve secured it with 1 hand, or pulled his wrist free from Haden. That should’ve been the game winner.
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wut
this is a clip from “the waterboy”
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by tiquanunderwear on Nov 20, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry...LOL
I had a brain fart and was looking at the pass to Hill.
Apologies!
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Personally
I thought it was a play that should have been called pass interference. Looked like Hayden got there early to me.
Maybe...
but Jason Hill isn’t getting any calls with 4 seconds on the clock in Cleveland.
He needs to make that catch.
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true
I think this loss could either galvanize the team or break it apart with separate factions. Mike Thomas needs to be called out.
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I don't think
it’s that kind of loss. On offense we may have found some chemistry finally. Gabbert is finally going through his progressions and making good throws.
Thomas still needs to be spoken to by Gabbert...
there was 1 route that we all saw that Thomas quit on, I don’t know if there were others, but that shit is unacceptable. Gabbert needs to let these WRs know he’s not gonna stand for that type of junk.
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It was a bad throw
and he went for the tackle. No way he was going to get there regardless. I’ve seen Reggie Wayne do the same thing a number of times, as well as pretty much every other WR. It’s what happens when a QB throws before a WR break, but after he’s already stared his WR down, assuming the DB is looking in the backfield like he was.
I saw about 5 instances where M80 gave up.
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Thomas has been horrible lately!
And wasn’t lights out last year or any other for that matter. his attitude sucks! he quits on routes period, and if reggie wayne does it, shame on him, but at least he can make up for it and does. I am over the Hail Mary thomas caught, what else is there?
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Prove it? How about the fact that it’s happened multiple times this season already.
by Alfie Crow on Nov 20, 2011 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
gotta agree with alfie for once
looks like m80 got his money and now is bit with the idontgiveacrapanymore bug
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Nov 20, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Because then he’s a bad tackler too. He didn’t put a hand on the DBack. He quit, there was no attempted tackle, bro.
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Thomas definitely quit
on a post. The ball would’ve hit him in stride. It sailed like two yards in front of him after he cut. He cut, then stopped.
Throw the ball, score points.
was laughing at the adam sandler video
But m80 looks like he threw in the towel. It horrible he isnt giving 100% on any of his routes. Do u guys know he had an LB covering him on the last play nd couldn’t get seperation?
by Marshall856 on Nov 20, 2011 6:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
AHHH! I agree.
I think that Blaine had a good game, Bad 3rd quartet but I saw alot of improvement. The end of the game made me so MAD! AGGGHHHH!
I would like to give some blame to the defense.
Their tackling was terrible, and that RB who no one has ever heard of torched us for 100+ and a TD. I was disappointed in our D.
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It shouldn’t though. The other DTs need to step up against Chris ogbawhocares and Colt F-ing McCrapso.
It's not Ogbonnaya that killed us
it was the lack of good play at the line of scrimmage. The Browns OL killed our DL late in the game. It was really that simple.
Actually
their guards really sucked most of the year. I don’t think we blitzed enough, and the coverage didn’t hold up long enoughfor the rush to get to the QB.
knighton is our run defense
this game proved it
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by Jaggaholic82 on Nov 20, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah they had a rough game
but have kept us in every one this year, it is times for the offense to step up! blaine did better today i thought, but not enough to win
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
they only scored 14 points right? The d did its job
The O needs to step up and its not going to happen this year. Need a knew coaching staff first and a number 1 WR first
Screen To M.J.D Plz
The defense did not play like it has prior to today.
They gave up some big plays against the 30th ranked offense.
Throw the ball, score points.
I dont care its still only 14 points thats a good showing
They are all NFL teams and to hold one to 14 points is good job
Screen To M.J.D Plz
not making more excuses for the team just telling all the cry babys
that say the D was bad that was not the case the held them to 14 points and its the O’s job to get more then that but all the blame should be on the coaching staff for not getting the team ready and fameor blowing the time issue in the fourth quarter
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I think every team in the league would be happy with just 14 points scored on them
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 20, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
If we have to hold teams to less then 14 to win then our offense officially sucks. But we already knew that.
Disagree
Anytime you hold any NFL team to 14 points, thats a good defensive game. And thats without their best defensive back or lineman.
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s step up and make a play when it counts?
The D had its worst game of the year. We may have missed Potroast more than we thought.
you're underestimating the loss of Mathis.
No real leader in the secondary all game. We had WAY too much respect for Colt McCoy today.
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I think McCoy is okay, but,
the secondary suddenly looks suspect, without Mathis.
Throw the ball, score points.
not that good
We treated him like he was Aaron Rodgers.
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There were
miscommunications everywhere. I say we keep Middleton at CB until Youboty understands the defense.
thats what this team is built around
excuses so get used to it lol
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by Jaggaholic82 on Nov 20, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
You summed it up very well, Adam.
Gabeert made a mistake on the lateral out-of-bounds, made a few bad throws, and maybe should’ve eyed MJD on the last play, but this was his best game. He put together some nice drives.
As far as the coaching staff, I’m finished saying I like Del Rio. They all need to go. Del Rio, Koetter, and Gene Smith. This team barely has any talent and the coaches cannot properly manage game, or draw up (and call) plays that suit the players and the situations.
Throw the ball, score points.
I honestly hope we don't win another game.
I want a high draft pick, a last place schedule, and a new coach.
Meaningless wins will negatively impact those hopes.
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Next year we play the Pats, the Jets, the Bills, the Packers, the Lion, and the Bears plus the usual 2x Texans. Not exactly a cake schedule.
How do you know?
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by tiquanunderwear on Nov 20, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
at Green Bay
that should be fun
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by tiquanunderwear on Nov 20, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
That's about as bad a schedule
as we had this year. But I suspect we will be a much better team by then. Frankly I hope we learn how to win before then. Fuck losing. I never want to lose.
so does Houston, Tennessee and Indy
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That still leaves several games that will be filled by the teams who finish where we do.
That’s why we’ve played the Browns 4 straight years. The more crappy teams the better.
Although I suppose other teams are saying that about us…
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Whoever finishes in the same spot divisionally in AFCW and AFCN are the other two. So could be anyone from those divisions at this point.
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okay...
so 2 games against last place teams. I’ll take it. That’s 1/8th of the season.
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Manning could come back
And somehow the Colts could win their last 4 games, putting us in last place
I've been saying it.
Just let Gabbert go, and let him throw. He showed again today that he can do it. When he’s comfortable (especially when he rolls out), he sets his feet and makes throws. He’s been doing a lot with a ragtag group of WR’s. He’ll be much better off next year, the more throws he attempts this year. MJD was not going to win games. They proved it today against an allegedly bad run defense.
Throw the ball, score points.
Also have to keep in mind
he’s not always going to have the protection he had today. Frankly the Browns DE’s suck at rushing the passer.
You still have to find a way.
MJD was never going to win games without a passing threat.
Throw the ball, score points.
you're not a real fan to want to lose
no matter the consequences
by Michael Appelbaum on Nov 20, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well it's official
We have a worse receiving corps than even the Browns. We totally suck.
Bright side! We’ll get Justin Blackmon because the Browns will draft behind us! Ha! Suckers. Jason Hill is a genius. He just helped us draft his replacement. hahaha. hahahahaha. hahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA
season over yet?
What? Arent we still in the playoff race? LMAO!!!!
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Where is the
“Path to the division title” post now…lol
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by tiquanunderwear on Nov 20, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Justin Blackmon!!!
Oh wait he may not be a Gene Smith kinda guy…enough of this, draft football players! The coaches have too go, especially after this game Del Rio should be let go. I was saying before the last play of the game that they should call a QB draw…he would have walked in standing up. Gabbert is showing great progress, his receivers do not know how to run routes and drop way to many balls. Give him Justin Blackmon and a FA; I really like Manningham. We are the 1st team in the NFL with the most money to spend.
If Gene Smith is back next year
We as a fan base should riot…..#OccupyEverBank
by Bryqan on Nov 21, 2011 6:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He'll be back next year
And no you shouldn’t.
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by Adam Stites on Nov 21, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I think we can all agree that...
Prosinski’s impersonation of a statue as the ballcarrier ran by him for 50 yards was the worst defensive play of the game.
Either cut him or teach him to f—-ing hit someone.
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I was what I didn't like about him
coming out of college.
On the other hand Landry had a good game as I predicted.
Gotta cut that guy
its one play but it was a really bad one play.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 20, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
And didn't Alfie say during preseason...
that he was doing the same thing during practices? Is he not getting better? That was a horrible, horrible play.
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Heres the quote: 2nd bullet under "The Bad"...
Here it is for the lazy folks:
•Rookie free safety Chris Prosinski had some “oops” plays. Prior to last night, he hadn’t really stood out one way or another. On one play, David Garrard hit tight end Zach Miller, who was covered well by Prosinski, but as soon as Miller had the ball Prosinski completely whiffed on the tackle.
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I did, but I needed to watch his YouTube video because I didn’t know what I was talking about.
by Alfie Crow on Nov 20, 2011 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Very frustrating game.....
but I was impressed with Gabbert on that last drive. He put us in a position to win, something Garrard rarely did in the clutch.
I'll agree that they should have taken that timeout at 30 secs
but I don’t really think it matter or caused them to lose this game, it was execution, if Hill catches the ball in his chest the game is over, if Thomas runs the route where he was supposed to, the game is over. Execution lost the game, not coaches.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 20, 2011 5:37 PM EST reply actions
I still can't get over the punt at the end of the 1st half.
Inexcusable, and shows no understanding of game situation. Kick the fg, go for it to try and get a more reasonable fg, or throw a hail mary. With 15 seconds left before the play, the Browns weren’t going to be in situation to do anything if the 4th down attempt failed. Horrendous decision.
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This is really nothing new.
Just another Del Rio chess match, playing scared, keeping the game close and trying not to lose.
Throw the ball, score points.
that's just the thing...
it’s not like it was the safe play, there was no more of a risk involved than that of punting it away.
@troycarson
Their FG kicker has more 50 yarders than any kicker in the NFL.
They couldve gotten a pass and a FG. I dont mind that call.
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throw the hail mary...
then there isn’t enough time for them to get into fg range… fact of the matter is he took away a chance to score that offered no risk.
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You Seem Surprised?
Have you not watched the way Del Rio has coached his entire tenure. Logic is not in his vocabulary nor is it involved in his coaching philosophy.
by natron-refried-means on Nov 20, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
THIS TEAM IS A JOKE..
HEY SHOE SALESMAN GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND HIRE A COACH AND GM..YOU HAVE BEEN RUNNING SCARED SINCE TOM GOT BLAMED FOR THE SALARY CAP. GROW SOME BALLS AND BLOW THIS PATHETIC FRANCHISE UP. OR SELL THE TEAM FOR GODS SAKE. DONT LET US MIRE IN THIS MEDIOCRE BS
you really need to read
the first minor difference listed here: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/minor_differences
Right on Man!
I had to respond to someone last week who tried to blame Tom for the cap problems! People are disturbingly ignorant and gullible sometimes. They believe whatever this team’s PR department feeds them. Wayne doesn’t want to be second guessed for setting this franchise back ten years by firing the man that led this team to the playoffs four straight times. I guess Wayne hates winning, that’s my only explanation for his firing a career winner for a perennial loser and choke-artist like JDR. His balls shrivel up in the clutch.
by natron-refried-means on Nov 20, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
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People are disturbingly ignorant
Yup.. “they” are
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 20, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Coughlin had to go
Seriously, how would it go if it came out that Jack Del Rio had to hire a limo service to bring a first rounder to practice every day?
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So Tom Coughlin didn't have complete control
of the roster during his tenure here ?
Oh hey, Nostradamus,
way to know JDR was “a perennial loser and choke-artist” before he did anything at all ever. Unfortunately, your clairvoyance doesn’t seem to realize that Coughlin absolutely did run this franchise into the ground, that nearly all the fans did want him gone, and pretty much no one wanted him back until he won a fluke Super Bowl.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 21, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
ok
if the titans lose, we beat houston, and then houston loses out and the titans lose out, we can still win this thing!!! Jags still have a shot mathematically!!!!
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 6:01 PM EST reply actions
Anyone have pictures of Cowher doing anything we could hold against him if he won't coach here?
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions
Why?
Why does anyone want an old coach? How many times has that EVER worked out hiring a coach who won a Super Bowl elsewhere?
Totally agree
and the fans who post here would never wait as long as Pittsburgh did for Cower to win a Super Bowl before they’d be getting rid of him too.
M80 & Hill had 18 targets combined with 6 catches…I was looking forward to West/Dillard being just as active as last week…..I like both of them over M80!
Umm..
You should probably mention M80 had 11 of those targets
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 20, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Gabbert Passed the ball 41 times today The Browns coming in had the 30th ranked rush D and #1 ranked pass D.
And we throw 41 times! WTF? This is not the first time this has happened this year..
Unbelievable! Whoever is calling these games should be fired ASAP! Koetter/JDR whoever!
The Jaguars moved the ball well
Just couldn’t get in the endzone. I have no qualms with the playcalling.
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Maybe that's the sole exception where I might have ran it
But even then, I didn’t think it was a terrible decision to throw
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I would have liked to see Mojo get the pass on last play.
It was 1 on 1 with him and a guy at least 5 yards away…advantage MoJo.
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Guy probably closes that gap to 2-3 yards away with a head of steam
If MJD makes him miss he’s probably met at the goal line by two more guys. Not saying he doesn’t get in, but I’m not sure it’s the best option. If we’re that desperate to get him the ball just run it up the middle.
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right on
if mjd catches the ball at the 5 the defender had time to close on him, and if he made him miss, it would have given the others time to close.. not saying mjd could not have powered in, but the pass was the best option there, just not to thomas, he had done nothing all game, or season, should have been to lewis.
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
i saw that, but at 6'6 and that size, they should of thrown to him not thomas the smurf, he had proven all game he was not going to fight for the ball
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
from things proven in the past, i would have had faith in mjd getting it in, but that defender was waiting to see the pass thrown to him and mjd was on the 6 i think, that is alot od opportunity for him to close, and even if he misses the tackle,
there were two other defenders close enough to meet him at the goal line.. with that said, 10 out of 10 times i would have thrown it to mjd over mr. softee mike thomas.
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
If Blaine lofts the ball he has time to close... When that play was unfolding I just knew Blaine was going to throw it to MJD.. I said out loud"ZIP IT"
If he puts the ball on MJD quick the MJD has time to juke or do whatever and I think he scores…
But then he throws it to M80 who couldn’t catch aids if he fell on a heap of used heroin addict Hypodermic needles
Awewsome!
JAGGYLEE You just made my day! You’re quote on Thomas should go down in history. After watching that dipshit screw us out of a victory by running routes like Helen Keller and dropping balls like it’s his job, I was physically sick. I mean Del Rio’s horrible clock management and general clueless persona on the sideline didn’t help matters but your comment sums up his play perfectly and made me feel a good bit better. At least I know there are other fans who feel like I do. Now time to finally clean house. I hope most of my fellow Jag fans don’t think I’m so radical now.
by natron-refried-means on Nov 20, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
If it’s thrown to MJD on that play, it would have been a great play call. MJD was glaring at Gabbert after the play.
To me
Blaine did have quite a game, no where near perfect, but a few impressive drives. Especially the first touchdown drive, and the last almost one. He made a few bad throws, but also threaded a few great ones. I guess some of those flashes from him we need to see. From this point out I think, although mjd is the star, let blaine air it out early and often, let him make and learn from mistakes, test the young recievers we have, let him start calling more plays and changing plays, basically let him start to become the QB we drafted him to be. So far my opinion is we drafted him to be that guy, and inserted him as the starter to play the same lame duck QB david g was, and just manage the game without making dumb mistakes.. Let him become who we all want him to be, oh, and fire del rio tomorrow!
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
This could be bad in so many ways.
Throw the ball, score points.
by iodrew on Nov 20, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we have gabbert and never had a shot at locker.. gabbert is our guy!!!
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Gabbert has a WR corps that couldn't start for the Jacksonville Sharks
Every other QB at least has one quality NFL WR
i wish
We could waterboard our wrs each time they dropped an open pass.
Props however to freaking Marcedes, coming out of no where.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 20, 2011 6:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Can’t wait for the usual 5-6 articles this week quoting the players saying “Gabbert’s doing fine, it’s us”…….blah……blah…..blah….blah. At least the colts can blame it on Peyton lol.
by Ubetterasksomebody on Nov 20, 2011 6:41 PM EST reply actions
TOUGH GAME!!!!
I think an offseason and a WR in the draft and FA will go a long way for this team. The Oline did a pretty good job blocking. The D played strong. I think the PI (early in the game) against the Jags were the ball was tipped was crucial. Take that PI call away and I don’t think the Browns score a TD…huge!!! The Jags seriously needs a playmaker at the WR.
41 attempts with about 7 drops and 8 overthrows/under throws (including TD). Now, some passes were off, but the receivers need to help the rookie out…
I think this team will be special NEXT year…got to get him a playmaker ASAP…
One life to live, live it to the fullest...
Jake Locker in one half = 140 yards and 2 TD's
Gabbert in 7 games = 6 TD’s
cries
Crazy what a decent receiving core and playing in a pro-style offense in college can do for you
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 20, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
and garbage time against an average defense nursing a lead.
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Time Out
Couldn’t the coach have called a timeout when the team was taking too long to get to the line? Or is that just college? Blaine may be a rookie, but what were the coach & veterans’ excuses?
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by SicilianJag on Nov 20, 2011 7:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Why so much Youboty?
Reminded me of when we got David Jones last year and they threw him in as soon as we got him. He was out of position frequently today.
WHILE EVERYONE IS PISSED I WILL SAY...
FIRE DEL RIO AT SEASONS END
DEMOTE GENE SMITH TO SCOUT
FIRE EVERYONE ELSE BUT THE CHEERLEADERS AND JAXSON DE VILLE
HIRE NEW COACH, HIRE NEW GM, SPEND SOME MONEY ON SOME TALENT ASAP.
rant over.
by Section242 on Nov 20, 2011 7:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You are right! it's almost working for the Lions!
instead of being constantly being mediocre with Wayne Fontes for so many years they now have a shot at the playoffs after what… 15 years?
Absolutely! Pay him 30k a year and if he declines oh well!
by Section242 on Nov 20, 2011 7:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well there are two cheerleaders we need to fire as well ! they are under achievers!
by CoachCowherPlease on Nov 20, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
as long as it's not Karen
She’s my daughter’s dance instructor.
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Gene Smith
Is a horrid scout. This is a carry over from Ketchman where people think he’s a good scout. He’s not. The only one of his scouting picks that have worked out was Pot Roast.
Or maybe it's because people outside of Jacksonville think so
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/15736612/need-help-evaluating-talent-ask-packers-ravens
The Top Five Scouting Departments:
5. Jacksonville Jaguars
Two of the five scouts asked listed the Jaguars’ scouting department among the top five groups in the league. Another did not list Jacksonville among his top five. He did peg Jacksonville as the NFL’s most underrated unit.
I DON'T NEED FACTS
I’M IRRATIONALLY ANGRY RAWRRRRRRRRRRRR
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 21, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
Same article
The Jaguars have also been extraordinarily successful in the middle rounds, finding starters DT Terrance Knighton, WR Mike Thomas, DE Derek Cox and OG Will Rackley in the third round or later since 2009.
Because Thomas and Rackley are so good. So congrats Gene, two of the starters you drafted would not be starting anywhere else.
Gene Smith was a scout when we drafted Derrick Harvey, Reggie Williams, Reggie Nelson, Matt Jones, Quinton Groves but since he wasn’t the GM at the time he gets absolved of those poor draft picks he scouted.
Thomas is a great slot receiver (perfect for the 4th round, where he was drafted),
and Rackley is rapidly improving and is only a rookie. Your trolling is fail.
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by MoveThoseChains on Nov 21, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
why Blackmon?
i don’t follow college football, but isn’t he more or less a physical specimen without good hands? I don’t think we need another player with consistent drops
correct me if i’m wrong
Rams need A LOT...
LT or CB just as big of needs, so they could easily go with Kalil or Claiborne.
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i think ultaimtely they wanna give Bradford a weapon..the weapon that we need in Blackmon, he would revamp our offense
by FgallosJAGS on Nov 21, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
never realized how small Blackmon was til the Iowa State game
gonna take a lot for me not to get off the Jeffrey bandwagon
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_YfZSEUBG4&feature=related JB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wetLkX7wIGs AJ
like the way Jeffery goes up and gets it, but I think Blackmon is great making a play on the ball, and takes better care of it once he has it. Also looks a little faster than Jeffery.
by moves_like_jaguars on Nov 21, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
was out all day
just say the high(low)lights and one thing I am curious about is why pass so much when you are going up against an awful run defense?
MJD was getting yards but he wasn't breaking any
He has not really been able to get past the second level most of the season
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Look above.
There were about twenty pass attempts in the last two drives – playing from behind.
Throw the ball, score points.
Poor Clock Management at the end of the half
is nothing new, but doesn’t make it any less annoying. We have been subjected to this for the last nine years and I remember it being a problem back in the TC era. The play calling at the end of the first half today was as big a problem as that at the end of the game. Coach and OC are content to avoid any risk, particularly if we get the kickoff to start the second half. Then…three and out and another opportunity squandered!!
Woah There Mister Farmer!
After the game
I switched to the Bengals Ravens game and I watched the Bengals put together a 2 minute drill with about the same time we had. They got a lot more plays off and looked a heck of a lot more in control than we did. Granted they stalled out because of the Ravens good Defense but still. you could tell that they are better coached than we are. JDR had his chances to lead this team and he has continuously failed and shown his weaknesses. Time to go Jack.
How about Vincent Jackson...
In the offseason and Blackmon in the draft…problem solved.
The Jags will look way better once passes are caught and he has a full offseason…
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by SDubxl456 on Nov 20, 2011 9:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't like Jackson but would like a FA to go along with whatever receiver we take in the draft
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 20, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
he gives up like Mike Thomas
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Yeah, I don't like his attitude but
7 catches for 165+ against the Bears…I’ll take him…we need a guy that catches anything thrown in his vicinity…
WR Vincent Jackson
WR Justin Blackmon
WR Mike Thomas
It’s a stretch to get the top two…we’ll see…
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by SDubxl456 on Nov 20, 2011 9:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Forgt thomas rather see dilliard in their thomas cant catch a flew in the middle of dead winter and surrounded by others who have it
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
--George Patton--
There are around ten to eleven guys in FA this year that are a 1 or 2 WR or better
There are guys like Colston, Bowe, Wallace, Jackson, Jackson, Wayne, Manningham, Meachem, Garcon, and i think one or two more. At least 4 or 5 of them will get resigned I think, so we have a good chance at getting someone. Add one of them and then a WR in the first or second round and we will have a completely reversed offense. I personally think a good combination would be to pay a large sum for one of the top receivers like Wallace, Bowe, or VJax and then draft an OT in the first. Either Martin or Kalil if we are that bad, and then draft Sanu or another very good WR in the second. This is a very deep WR class and we could use more OL help. Move Monroe to RT, and keep Britton inside.
Yes, I expect a significant splash at WR in FA...
and then a WR taken in the top 2 rounds.
And I’m down for a WR, CB, LT, or DE in the first, any would be of great use.
@troycarson
Personally
I’d love to get Meachem, I think the saints are gonna have a hard time keeping him with all of the receivers they have. I think he has every thing you want in a #1 plus it shouldn’t cost and arm and three legs so the move would be something the Jags would actually do, imo.
I really like Bowe as well or even Colston, I can’t see him and Meachem, both re-signing with the saints.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 20, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
no clue
did you hear Dwight Freeney’s name at all a couple of weeks ago at Indy?
He looked really solid yesterday too. I think the key with him is keeping him at the 300 lb mark. He seems like a guy who is going to struggle with his weight in the opposite direction of most guys.
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by MoveThoseChains on Nov 21, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you
I saw 1 elite LT and one very good LT. Monroe is not the problem on the offensive line. Whimper is. Rackley is improving, Uche is stellar and Meester is Meester. The loss of Manuwai is hurting more than the loss of Britton.
Have no idea why Bradfield is not in there for Whimper.
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Agreed
I would rather see a young guy in and get some experience instead of a veteran play and continue to struggle.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
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There are 25 WR
who could start for the Jags and are bettter than what we have. Hell I think a 50% T.O. is better than a 100% M80
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We definitely need 2 WR’s , OT , DE, CB ………..and new coach ……… I’m sick of our receivers drop the ball man ……….Jason hill has regressed from last year and M80 has let me down a lot ……… Delrio is crap when it comes to managing the clock and it ticks me off ! Would love to see Dwayne Bowe / Justin Blackmon (rookie) / Mike Thomas /Mercedes Lewis / MJD and Gabbert ……… That wud be a nasty receiving core slash offense for next season !
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I don't think we need a OT
we NEED 2 WR, C, and CB. We could use another DE too. I would like Meachem in FA and Jeffery in the draft.
Can't stand the truth?
I agree with a lot of the stuff you say...
And am always excited to see how many periods you are going to use.
Del Rio
I was SCREAMING at the TV to call timeout and even tweeted it.
It’s sad that after 9 years in the league you still can’t grasp clock management. I wish WW had some balls and would fire his ass today. How many games are we going to lose this year due to clock management? SMFH
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by floridafalcons#63 on Nov 21, 2011 9:05 AM EST reply actions
18 hours later
I’ve come to several realities:
Jack Del Rio goes uber conservative with any lead, whether it is 1 point or 7.
The staff is trying like hell to make Gabbert something he is not, then expecting him to pull a rabbit out of his hat at the end.
JDR does not seem to put his players in positions where they can succeed. Deji on 3rd down. Osgood as a blocking receiver ala Wilford. Bolen the same way. Yubuty (spelling error?) out there playing meaningful minutes when he’s only been here what, 3 practices?
Prosinski does not need to be on an NFL field during the regular season this year. I looked through my Polish to English translation dictionary and I found something interesting. Under “Prosinski” it says “Considine.” Memo to draftniks: If your only frame of reference is a bitchin’ Youthube video with some kick ass metal or rap, save it. I need to see more. I was really in Gene Smith’s corner, just slightly in it now, but this smartest guy in the room BS has got to stop. 2 words: Doug Baldwin. He was available, and he was catching passes from a Pro ready QB at Stanford. Doing pretty well with Seattle. Oh yeah, HE WAS NOT DRAFTED!!!!! Maybe if he went to Colorado School of Mimes, or Ringling College of Art and Design he might have warranted a look.
This year is a “market correction” if you will, for 2010. Last year, on paper, we were a 3 to 5 win team that got lucky a few times and broke even. I’ll list a few:
- Indy (home) 59 yard field goal that should never have happened as Caldwell called a timeout similar to the one Bob Stoops called Saturday night
- Houston (home) the Q Tip Hail Mary to Mike Thomas, or as I am now seeing it, the $18 million catch. Sorry I’m so down on him and Lewis, but dammit, they’re now high dollar players. They should be making a lot of these plays.
- Cleveland (home) 6 turnovers and we win. Only 1 other team has won a game with 6 or more TOs in NFL history
- Oakland (home) McFadden runs all over us, then Deji runs a kickoff 65 yards and MJD runs a gimme TD 35 yards
- Tennessee (away) We beat a team that all but quit on their coach
Ultimately, this loss and the failures of the season fall on Wayne Weaver. In hindsight, he should have just blown the damn thing up after the Houston loss last January. At the very least, Gene Smith would not be on the hot seat (perceptionally speaking as we don’t know what Weaver’s mindset is).
As I write this, I kinda get the feeling there was a method to Weaver’s madness to not extend anyone, and I think it has to do with the inevitable sale of the team. If a new guy is purchasing a healthy stake in the team, why would they want to be on the hook for a bunch of coaches, scouts and admin personnel to pay out the door, assuming that person will have the power to make those calls? I mean if Fred Smith is going to be the transitional guy, wouldn’t it make sense to give him some authority, as he is going to be running the show in 2 or 3 years? I guess it would make sense to see how Baltimore did it with a lot of their front office moves.
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I pray to the Gods that Weaver is selling the team
Hopefully Mr. Smith is more football minded than Mr. Weaver though I doubt it a little due to his connections with Mr. Snyder in Washington
exactly
bear in mind Smith is nothing more than a check scratcher in DC. That’s what being a minority owner gets you.
I don’t think you need a football minded owner, I mean do Robert Kraft, Arthur Blank, and Tom Benson make trades, draft picks and deals? Jerry Jones hasn’t done much since Jimmy Johnson and Mike Brown and Jerry Richardson are two of the most football minded guy out there, how many rings does he have? You just need to know how to acquire and collect those folks to make football decisions.
Weaver’s biggest problem as I see it is he is too nice. Too benevolent when there is time to wait, and waits til absolute rock bottom to drop the hammer.
I just hope rock bottom does not come by way of a blacked out Monday Nighter.
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The owners don't make all the moves
But they do hire all the people. The decision to keep JDR well past expiration date worries me. The decision to listen to the fan base and fire Tom Coughlin worries me. The decision to promote Gene Smith to GM when he was part of the scouting team that lead to the worst era of drafting worries me.
Mr. Smith might make better football decisions than Mr. Weaver, at least I hope he would.
As for a blacked out Monday nighter, I’m worried the next non-blacked out game will be when Peyton Manning starts on New Year’s Day in the Suck For Luck Bowl Game
were you around when the Coughlin era ended?
Weaver had no choice.
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a real stinker -
I turned the channel, but couldn’t stay away for long. My brother (a diehard Cleveland Fan) called me at the half and said he was watching the Browns play the Browns.
I think 1.) never ever take points off the board – Denver just showed this last week.
2.) Everybody in that stadium knew MJD was getting the ball on that goal line. Are we not men? You go out there and win the f’n game. 3.) we can put a man on the moon – but we can’t figure out if a ball hit a 18’6" wide area.
I was indifferent at a loss at the beginning of the game – but after watching that closure – it’s going to make for a shtty Holiday – I’m having dinner at my brother’s house.
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