Jaguars Vs. Browns: Gabbert's Drive Falls Short
by Alfie Crow on Nov 21, 2011 11:00 AM EST
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Jacksonville Jaguars rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert began a drive on his own 29-yard line with 2:49 left on the clock, needing to drive down the field for a touchdown to win. WIth a combination of quick throws and some tough runs by Maurice Jones-Drew, Gabbert began to lead the Jaguars down the football field. The drive was assisted by a pass interference penalty on Browns cornerback Joe Haden that put the Jaguars in the redzone on the Browns 14-yard line. Two plays later, Gabbert hit wide receiver Chastin West for a 9-yard gain to the 5-yard line.
The next couple of plays were some of the most frustrating to watch in recent memory. The Jaguars ran the ball twice with Maurice Jones-Drew, getting stuffed both times. On the second run, precious time was ticking off the clock. Nearly 20 seconds were burned as the Jaguars waited to get lined up and the ball to be set, all while having a timeout left.
With just 0:08 left on the clock Blaine Gabbert threw a strike to Jason Hill in the corner of the endzone, but the ball bounced off his chest and fell incomplete. On the last play of the game, Gabbert dropped back and pump faked to his right to wide receiver Mike Thomas then comes back to Thomas, throwing the ball behind him. Thomas barely got a hand on it and it fell incomplete. The last two plays were just the Jaguars season in a nutshell.
One guy drops a game winning touchdown, the next play the rookie can't make the throw. "I've got to find a way - that's on me," said Gabbert. "At the end of the day, my job as a quarterback is to score touchdowns."
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Drives showed promise
Yeah he still looks like a rookie, but The TD drive and the final drive were nice. Lewis finally stepping up helped a lot. Gabbert still has a lot to work on,but yesterday definitely showed some promise.
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by MadKow on Nov 21, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
showed a lot of promise, we actually should have had the touchdown to Jason Hill..and MJD should have ran it in 3rd and 1..
by FgallosJAGS on Nov 21, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that I thought he would run it..
after Hill dropped the pass, but we need to remember he got stuffed the two run plays before. If he would have run it, and got stuffed, everyone would have cried that we should have passed it since the defense knew we were going to run MJD up the middle. A decision was made, and it did not pan out….that’s all.
by GAJAGFAN on Nov 21, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hill's arm was being grabbed by the DB
How did he get stuffed twice?
Three yards from the 5-yard line on 3rd and one is not getting is not getting stuffed
He got stuffed on one play, and the last play overall was from the one
Had to throw on 2nd and one
But on third and one with 3 seconds?
Give Jones-Drew the ball. That’s an easy call
Here we go... More rookie comparisons
1. Every rookie QB develops at his own speed.
2. You have probably just seen the highlights of those rookies (no wonder they look good).
3. We clearly have the worst receiving core in the league.
4. (Insert another rational explanation here)
by Adam Bealyer on Nov 21, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They don't have garbage at receiver like Gabbert has
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
Oh by the way...
Yesterday: Newton threw 4 interceptions, Ponder threw 3 interceptions and Dalton threw 3 interceptions. Locker, however, did play well in the 4th quarter against Atlanta. Again, that was just yesterday.
by Adam Bealyer on Nov 21, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
After watching yesterdays game I...
I finally figured out whats the Jaguars need to do. The WR’s are obviously to fast for Blaine Gabbert. So If the Jaguars get slower receivers then Blaine will stop throwing behind them and actually hit someone in stride….
He made some bad throws
by not setting his feet, get over it. He’s gonna be okay.
Throw the ball, score points.
?
He makes bad throws ALL the time. At some point you people need to stop blaming the WR’s and blame Gabbert for being as accurate as Tebow or any other terrible QB.
by OneSweetWorld on Nov 21, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Look,
your glass is half empty.
When Gabbert sets his feet, he’s accurate. And, stop blaming the WR’s? What about M. Lewis until yesterday? What about Hill letting the game winning pass bounce off his stomach. Give Gabbert a break, he’s far from this team’s most serious problems.
Throw the ball, score points.
Ernest Wilford
Thank you, I believe my observation is correct. I think Ernest Wilford would be an excellent WR for Blaine. I mean there is no way he could possibly throw behind Wilford. Right?
by OneSweetWorld on Nov 21, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
What you're doing
is focusing on the negatives, ignoring the good things he’s doing, and the bad things he’s not doing. He gets better every game. Why throw a rookie QB under the bus? He’s the future.
Throw the ball, score points.
What is it with people?
All I did was say he isnt accurate. From watching every throw he has made in the NFL one thing is abundantly clear, He isnt accurate. Of course he is young and will get better but people need to stop blaming the WR’s all the time. Yes they suck but a good QB would make them better as well.
by OneSweetWorld on Nov 21, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
You should pay attention to why he is sometimes inaccurate.
He does not always set his feet. What you’re saying (and don’t worry, you’re not the only one) is that Gabbert has not made nice throws. If you sat down and watched the game objectively, you would see the accuracy is there when he sets his feet – he does make nice throws. You obviously have not watched every throw he’s made.
Throw the ball, score points.
Nobody said that
He said he’s inaccurate
This is what you always do, put words in people’s mouths
Come on man, Gabbert isn’t accurate, he had some terrible throws in crucial situations
He also did some nice things, he can be accurate, but overall, he is not accurate
No one said cut him, no one said he sucks, no one said he isn’t the future or doesn’t do some impressive things
I thought he played well yesterday, except he wasn’t accurate. He had some guys WIDE open and missed them, including Lewis at least twice…and obviously Jason Hill, who played well yesterday
You saw his arm getting grabbed on the pass in the endzone right?
Jason Hill hardly played well. Please.
2-3 drops and a critical drop at the end. Don’t tell me about Haden holding his arm, either. If Hill tried to catch it with his hands instead of letting it get into his body, he’d have gotten an easy PI call or caught the damn ball.
You have no respect sometimes man
The snippiness gets old.
I could easily respond to your article:
Please. Maurice Jones-Drew got stuffed once, not twice (converting on 3rd and one and gaining 3 yards from the five is not getting stuffed).
Haden held his arm. What do you want?
Everything to fit into your narrow view?
You aren’t a Jason HIll fan, therefore, he doesn’t ever play well and his arm was not grabbed . This is just like when you acted like you spend your time watching each of his routes develop in live games.
He played well and made some nice plays. He had one drop. The one in the endzone should have been PI. His arm was being grabbed early.
Del Rio apparently agrees.
Even if it wasn’t early, he grabbed his arm and it was the play of the DB that made the pass fall incomplete
I am not calling him a great player, but he has been productive relative to the overall production of our passing game. Hill was matched against Joe Haden most of the game and did some nice things.
You have a really easy time calling a lot of these guys out, when you are so quick to jump down people’s throats when they call a player’s toughness or skill into question.
He played well in this game, and as long as we’re talking about missed opportunities, how about Gabbert missing Hill WIDE OPEN in the endzone after he put the moves on the DB? He did just fine on that play.
Nobody said what? What did I say someone said? I don't see it.
What are you talking about? Seriously! I’m putting words in people’s mouth? You continue to foolishly jump all over my opinion and accuse me of the things you do. I feel like I’m speaking to a child that is using terminology he just learned because it was used against him. Grow up.
Let me spell it out for you since you cannot seem to follow along in an adult conversation.
From watching every throw he has made in the NFL one thing is abundantly clear, He isnt accurate. -OneSweetWorld
How did I put words into someone’s mouth responding to that with this?
You obviously have not watched every throw he’s made. -iodrew
He said he’s seen every throw and that Gabbert is not accurate which is entirely untrue. There is a reason for the inaccurate passes which I explained. If he makes a bad throw otherwise, it doesn’t mean he’s inaccurate, it’s just a bad throw. Gabbert is very accurate when he sets up properly.
Throw the ball, score points.
Let me make this clear:
1. Don’t say things you wouldn’t say in person.
2. If poor footwork results in inaccuracy, and Gabbert’s footwork is, generally poor, then calling him inaccurate is not a stretch.
You put words in his mouth here:
“What you’re saying (and don’t worry, you’re not the only one) is that Gabbert has not made nice throws.”
Thats what I was referring to. He didn’t say that. Neither has anyone else – you accused me of that more than once – the truth is that he is generally inaccurate
He has his moments, but he often throws inaccurately.
Sorry man. He has played better the last two games, no doubt about it
Let me explain the man’s logic: If I have watched every game Gabbert has played, and seen every pass he has thrown, I can make the case that he is inaccurate based on his body of work
The argument was NOT that ever individual throw is inaccurate
Loose the attitude man
I'm not going to go around and reply to all your comments.
I would much rather be speaking to you in person because I can’t seem to get a point across to you. There is nothing I’ve ever said on the internet that I wouldn’t say in person. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.
The QB’s completion rate on Sunday was 54%. With the same amount of bad throws, 1 or 2 passes not dropped, and Thomas running good routes, Gabbert’s percentage would have been like 60%. That’s not bad, or inaccurate. And I’m objectively not counting the difficult, game-winning non-catch by Hill.
BTW, Alfie is only slightly abrasive with his sarcasm. You should appreciate being singled out. There’s a large fan base viewing and commenting on his stories. Put yourself in his shoes.
Throw the ball, score points.
If Reggie Williams could have kept his head screwed on straight...
This franchise has always been about “ifs”
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This team is still not out of it, we need
execution, execution, execution!!!! Don’t think anyone is the problem, we just need to play better as a team. You lose to less talented teams when they out execute you. 100 yards rushing to a nobody only happens when you don’t execute. The players have to execute on those last plays. No need to place blame, they still need our support for the remainder of the season, frustrated or not.
I would say out talented for some of those years
not anymore. This team has young talent on offense and defense, just not executing like a talented team on offense, and the defense made mistakes, but kept us within striking distance.
Execution!
I’m all in favor of the team’s execution.
/rimshot
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To paraphrase a famous bumper sticker... I've got no problem with Tebow. It is his fans I can do without.
Wide Receivers
We could have Jerry Rice, a young Randy Moss and Jimmy Smith and it wouldnt matter because over half the time our rookie QB throws the ball nowhere near the receiver. Until he gets more accurate he wont be any good regardless who we have catching the ball.
Pocket Presence
BG appears to be impatient with this throws and either hurries the pass or throws an uncatchable ball. His miss on a streaking wide-open Jason Hill after Hill had separated from coverage is indicative. Hopefully, we have a QB coach who can instill patience, presence, and touch. BG just seems to fling the ball to get rid of it rather than putting it where it needs to be.
by three finger on Nov 21, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I saw a lot of catchable balls yesterday
And I seen a lot of dropped passes and poorly run routes. If you wanna see a true inaccurate QB then go watch Tebow. Gabbert had a few poorly thrown balls but in no way was it all his fault.
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Exactly, its half and half
Sometimes Gabbert misthrows the ball and other times the WRs flat out drop it or can’t get open. They both share the blame for the offenses struggles. Gabbert needs to improve but it is hard to improve when your not getting much help from your WRs.
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This has been beyond frustrating, even when Garrard was here.
The state of the QB, or the WR’s should not matter. As Joe Fisher already pointed out in Adam’s article, JDR’s philosophy is to play scared and try to not lose. They hold on tightly to very small leads, always allowing the opponent to remain within reach. They end up having to throw anyway. 20 pass attempts in the last two drives yesterday. There would be less pressure to do it in the beginning of the game, trying to score and get at least a two possession lead – then run MJD. Either way, heavy passing is always inevitable, why wait until you’re behind. Gabbert had a couple of good drives with crappy WR’s, he can do more.
Throw the ball, score points.
Coaching wouldn't have mattered
If Hill had caught the damn ball.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
Hill's Earlier Opportunity
Hill dropped the last pass to him but, to his credit, he got open on the play down the sidelines and BG over threw him. The latter situation called for a touch pass, like a fade, instead it seemed like he threw a rope and Hill had no chance to catch it.
by three finger on Nov 21, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Paid to catch a football
“Hill had no chance to catch it.” -three finger
I know your not referring to the pass in the endzone that bounced of Hill’s chest
Take stock in your lives, but leave your livestock alone
Hill could've won the game but
the Jags are always playing catch-up, or desperately holding a small lead.
Throw the ball, score points.
I love how JDR threw Koetter under the bus
Saying Koetter calls the plays…umm unless I missed something JDR your the head coach, he may call the plays but you need to green light them especially in game winning situations.
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So it's Del Rio's job to micromanage?
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
I don't see how you can micromanage bad route running and bad hands
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
Exactly
I have seen some horrible route running by our WR corp. It is way more evident at the game where you can see the whole field. Its really said when you see receivers just quitting or not trying to get open when the QB scrambles.
Take stock in your lives, but leave your livestock alone
There was one play I saw yesterday
that Gabbert was looking to Thomas about 20 yards down field where it didn’t even come close and Gabbert was visibly upset with Thomas.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
You've strayed from kterr's initial point.
This is about play-calling and game management, not route running.
Throw the ball, score points.
Play-calling will take you only so far
Clock management wouldn’t have mattered had Hill caught that pass. But I do agree the last 30 seconds were screwed up.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
I agree with what you are saying
about JDR. He plays not to lose. Hopefully these last few games he tells the guys to cut loose and play to win the game! (in my Herm Edwards voice)
The good thing that I saw from yesterday
is that Gabbert looked more comfortable in the pocket, and the o-line did a good job for the most part in protecting him.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
I agree. I also think the fact that he was able to create a little bit of chemistry with Lewis was also a very good thing. Lewis should be Gabberts security blanket, glad to see he was able to start doing that yesterday finally
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Was it me, or did it look like Gabbert had to lollipop the ball to Lewis for him to catch it?
Tasker made a comment about how most passes to Lewis were near the ground. I distinctly recall Lewis making a bunch of acrobatic catches last season.
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I just watched the final play 10 times,
and in my opinion MJD would not have got in from the flat. Yes, the linebacker was 5 yards away but he was eyeing him up and in the time it would of took for Gabbert to turn and throw, the LB would’ve been within 2 yards of MJD. other than running it in himself, Gabberts only other real option was Mike Thomas. The problem was thomas stopped running his route and gabbert threw it too soon. Thomas was wide open had he kept running his cross route
Is it just me or has
Thomas just disappeared since his new contract was signed?
he has.
idk if its from changing from outside to inside receiver positions constantly or if him and gabbert still arent on the same page
I was really expecting more
input from him this year. This is his third year. He at least needs to run a punt back or something.
I know, I know...
But, lets just be patient with Mike. He’s still a young guy with alot of upside. Watching Blaine and Lewis connect was good. Also Dillard, damn that dude has hands.
And why not throw the fade to Dillard, the guy has a 42’ vertical with great hands.. uuumm.. Hill is not as bad as everyone make him out to be, when he’s making plays where are all the postives at? Gotdamnit… BANDWAGON’S MANN..
Shit goes bad and everybody is ready to throw fits like a little girl. This team is what it is. We said in Week 3 when Blaine got his first start that this was going to be a tough year to watch… Well, how are you feeling now?
We will get this Offense fixed. Coaching staff needs a upgrade, not just a new face her. Gene change your philosophy on players in the draft and get “playmakers”.
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Hey alfie,
i saw on twitter you said about MJD not being able to make in the endzone from flat…how bout giving a brother some credit for pointing that out haha
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Yes, since I’m clearly incapable of coming to that conclusion by myself, given I just rewatched the game.
Kudos to you.
Sure would have been nice to have one more down.
JDR is damn near catatonic in the 2 minute drill.
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i like your insight on the jags and
u take a realistic approach on expectations but your sarcasm in your responses gets on my fukin nerves. do you have a point to prove bro? im here to learn and discuss the jags thats it so stop with the sarcastic crap man it gets old real fast and your starting to sound like a know-it-all sports writer.
Would you rather he just flat out told people off? If he lies down and sugarcoats everything, people’s minds and silly notions will go unchanged. He has changed my view many times through his sarcasm. You should lighten up a bit. It’s actually quite funny. However, I’m sure if you ask nicely, he’ll be easy on you.
Throw the ball, score points.
The season is done!
You can talk about Mike’s play all you want, be at the end of the day Blaine missed that throw to Hill on the sideline. Game Over!
What about the clock management that burned 23 seconds off the clock with 1 timeout left. Lets talk about how bad Jack Del Rio has been the last 7 seasons, and how Wayne Weaver has stuck with this guy for way too long. He should have been fired when they let Garrad go.
Everyone Blamed David last year! No more David so now everyone is blaming Mike Thomas for getting an extension and being the savior of this weak ass football team. Wow!!! Really?
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MIKE THOMAS IS DAMN GOOD MAN!!!!!!!
Why are you changing the subject? Let’s talk about how damn good Mike Thomas is.
He can jog like you wouldn't believe.
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and please, let's not forget his check cashing ability.
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Im not changing the subject
Mike Thomas is what he is. The Jags didnt draft him to become this teams #1 wide out, they drafted him to become the slot receiver who could become matchup problems for safeties and LBs.
The responsibilities that Thomas had going into the year was to become the “Go to” guy! NEWS FLASH, another bad move by the coaching staff. I dont get it. The guy drops a couple of balls and now he’s the worst player in Jags history.
How many touchdown passes has Thomas dropped? How many costly 1st downs that caused the Jags to lose a game has he dropped? The impact of Thomas bad play is not the reason this team is 3-7 or last in the league in offense.
Alfie just admit it that you dont like the guy.
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Perhaps Thomas has not "dropped a lot of passes" as say Hill or Lewis
that would require completing his route.
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I know what my eyes tell me
Thomas did the same with Garrard, mind you.
Typically when I see Blaine throw the wrong route it’s really bad, like behind the guy bad. Bllaine has made more than his share of mistakes, such as the pass that sailed over Hill when the defender fell, but an $18 million dollar receiver should do a better job of making his qb look good. No matter how you look at it now, Thomas is the $18 million dollar man, not the 3 year pro 3rd rounder.
He needs to start performing up to the contract.
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And so should Blaine
Who was the 10th overrall pick, who also makes $Millions of dollars!
It goes both ways mann. Finger pointing. I see that the Head coach has rubbed off on some of you guys.
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He's a rookie
with a terrible supporting cast – receivers and coaches.
Throw the ball, score points.
If he was putting up stats like Dalton yesterday and Newton all season
You’d bitch about the 3 picks regardless of the 373 yds and damn good play
and the 2-8 record by Newton.
Also, you may not see it, but you’re doing the same bit of finger pointing. It’s not all on the QB.
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Yea Hill sucks
He is clearly playing better than the other receivers, Blaine missed him several times
Not all on the QB
He looks noticeably better the last two games
But he still misses a lot of throws
But, weren’t you exclaiming how damn good Mike Thomas was prior to the game, and how he could be? What happened?
Why the sudden spin job?
Also, where am I saying Mike Thomas is an awful player? Sorry you were wrong, bro.
It has nothing to do with liking or not liking a player. It has to do with calling a duck a duck. Don’t get mad at me because you ate the spoonful of crap about these wide receivers people like Vic fed you.
LoL
Mike Thomas is the savior of this team? hahaha
Mike Thomas has sucked and he’s a number three receiver at best, just like Garrard was a backup, at best.
Throw the ball, score points.
Whos the rookie Blaine or Thomas?
Everybody is looking to point fingers just like that lame ass Junior varsity head coach we have.
Its a reason why we have lame duck coaches and GM! Weaver is gonna clean house at the end of the season. Get ready people.
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Gabbert has a year long
written excuse, he’s a rookie. I don’t care about Thomas either way, he’s no star. But, I watched him quit on a simple route yesterday, and it was not the first time I’ve seen him do it.
I do hope Weaver cleans house, it is messy.
Throw the ball, score points.
Welcome to the NFL
Thomas isnt the first and surely want be the last to do it. I like both Hill and Thomas not as #1 and #2 receivers but in there right positions.
Bad coaching! Rookie QB. But all the blame goes to M80 for his $18M contract extension. All the guy has done since he was drafted 3 years ago was gotten better each year.
With a rookie QB, his numbers are off and now everyone is ready to throw the guy to the wolves. Wow!!!
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It’s everyone else’s fault. Hill and Thomas are good players, they just can’t perform because of everyone else!
Yes, that is what everyone says
No exaggeration for effect.
Never that. Mike Thomas was a promising young player entering the season. One unproductive year with a bad quarterback does little to define his value or ceiling one way or the other
Gabbert sure isn’t helping his career to blossom
I don’t think one person has come on here and said the receiving corps was great. The expectations were higher for some, but the bottom line is, they might look a bit better with better QB play
I’ll go out on a limb and say they’d look better. Not great, but better, yea.
The play call sucked all together.
Gabbert looked good rolling out yesterday. With him rolling out to the right, on the last play, with a flood of receivers following, he would have had better options, and maybe even ran it in.
Throw the ball, score points.
The season is all but over.
Hopefully the Jags resort to what I’ve been hoping for – just throw the ball, a lot. Let Gabbert learn now, to focus on setting up to throw, how to react under pressure, when to run and when to throw it away. Running MJD into the ground has gotten nowhere and there is definitely no point in it now.
Throw the ball, score points.
I think we need to do what Denver is doing
Tailor the offense to Gabbert’s strengths. I get that Cleveland went into a prevent – ish package at the end, but was it me or did Blaine look amazingly comfortable up til the first down and non call of the time out?
Granted, Gabbert is not as unpolished as Tebow, which should make it a bit easier than what Denver is doing which is going Delaware Wing T and Option.
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Gabbert wasn't under a lot of pressure yesterday
but he did look comfortable. I know he’s still throwing some errant passes, but he’s setting his feet more and more. You can tell he’s aware of his issues and is working on them.
Not tailoring to Gabbert’s strengths, and overall play calling choices, is on Koetter, IMO.
Throw the ball, score points.
the thing is, people will zero in on the one pass where he looked scared shitless
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It's sad that people focus
on the mistakes the rookie makes. He’s currently the best hope for the future. It’s nothing personal for me. I think most of us have seen enough to have high hopes for him.
Throw the ball, score points.
I agree.
Gabbert had his best game yesterday!
Most people on this site didnt think it would happen because the Browns had the #1 pass D in the league. Thats a bunch of bull mann!
You saw Lewis come alive yesterday, Thomas, Hill, Dillard,….. All have to get on the same page. Sorry everyone wants to see that happen right away, but it takes time. You know, an full offseason, maybe a couple OTA’s, you know a mini camp wouldn’t hurt neither.
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They should zero in on that one play. I mean that was ridiculous. You cant have an NFL QB react like that or else he will never make it.
by OneSweetWorld on Nov 21, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Paralysis by analysis by analysis part 456
Do you guys realize the last team we beat by 3 touchdowns (21 points including extra points) was Detroit in 2008? Using that same measurable, since the 2008 season here’s what we’ve got:
2008 Blown out once. But, we went 1-6 down the stretch. Sound familiar?
2009 Blown out twice. Went 0-4 down the stretch. Ran out of talent.
2010 Blown out 4 times! Went 1-3 down the stretch. Ran out of talent and MJD and Garrard
2011 Blown out once (so far) 5 game losing streak already endured with 6 games to go.
How do you guys really think the last 6 will go? I’ve tried my ass off to find parallels to 1996. I wish I could compare it to the 6 turnover close loss to the St. Louis Rams, but I can’t. Hell, if we cut Jason Hill maybe we can compare it to the loss against the Steelers, but the parallels are diminishing.
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I maybe wrong here
but on that last play, shouldn’t Thomas have cut inside of the LB instead of trying to go around him? It just makes no sense to me that he would run the route behind him instead of in front, he isn’t a tall guy thats going to catch the ball over anyone so his best chance to catch the ball would be for him to get in front of the defender. I think thats where the ball was thrown as well, imo, could be wrong though.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 21, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions
It tells me what many of us knew but let slide
Thomas is not a disciplined route runner. He does not see the route through. Any resistance and he gives up.
We’ve basically got a cross between Dante Hall and Devin Hester as our by pay grade #1 receiver. On a team with established receivers, Thomas would be damn good as a return specialist.
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Not to disagree with this whole post - but
MJD’s last 2 runs were 3 yrds followed by 1 yrd. I just checked the box. I thought MJD plowed for 3… but point being – that was MJD up the gut the whole way! Bad last play call…
I'll give $1,000 to someone who can catch that TD "drop" ?? to Hill
If you watch the replay, they clearly show his other hand was held onto. You see it down below his waste and then finally getting it wrenched free after the ball had already hit him in the chest.
So yeah I’ll give $1,000 to someone who can catch that type of throw. Let me get a college or high school qb to throw a dart at your chest, and you try to catch it one-handed. In a 100 tries you’d be lucky to catch one.
Most one handed catches are putting touch on the ball to slow momentum then grabbing hold. Impossible at chest level though.
I thought Gabbert played very well, it was a tough loss but shows potential for the future.
wait, what?
What point are you trying to make? That people on a blog site can’t make a catch that plenty of NFL receivers can? Uh…ok. You win this round
by JohnnyBiceps on Nov 21, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Plenty of NFL receivers can do what?
Catch a pass thrown at their chest, with one hand?
Which ones, and how often?
by Atl- Jags Fan on Nov 21, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
If you think that throw was "impossible" to catch
than I’d be wasting time trying to argue with you. It wasn’t impossible. Stop
by JohnnyBiceps on Nov 21, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ok football God
Tell me what game what receiver you’ve seen it happen.
One handed catch in the chest that wasn’t a fade but a straight pass.
Give me an example this year, I personally have never seen it in over 20 years of being a football fan.
One-handed grabs are usually up in the air or to the side, because of basic physics it’s very difficult to catch something directly at you, unless there isn’t much velocity in which case you can trap it, i.e. a fade.
Go out with a buddy keep your hand in your pocket and try it. Very, very difficult to do.
My point was that one wasn’t really on Hill. If you throw that same pass at him and hold his hand he’ll catch maybe 1 out of 50. Maybe. Impossible? Nothing’s impossible, but it is very difficult. Now throw the pass out of the core of his body, to the side or up top and he might get 1 in 5 or 10. Seems like that’s all Matt Jones could catch.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Nov 21, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ok....
I played WR in high school, and one handed catches are not that hard to make. Sure, this was a somewhat challenging catch, but youre in the N Freaking L. You’ve gotta make that play
Btw, Id happily take you up on that bet…. 1,000 dollars seems nice.
My point is everyone is on Hill about the catch
When I think that pass gets caught 1 in 100 times.
I get that you can make one hand catches. So let me ask you, how many catches to your chest did you catch one handed that was a 10 yard zinger?
Put the pass above your head or to the side and you can deflect it and take some heat off in the attempt to catch it.
But it was at his chest, the only option is to trap it. Very difficult to do on a straight-line pass, you have to time it almost perfectly.
Again I’m not saying one-handed passes are impossible, I’m saying THIS particular pass in THAT zone of the body is near to impossible.
I think it’s ridiculous that people are down on Hill because he “dropped” it. I can’t remember ever seeing a one-handed catch in the body. I’m open to someone pointing one out. Most one-handed catches aren’t really even one-handed, they are most often deflecting the passes and then wrapping up with two hands.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Nov 21, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone is on Jason Hill because he sucks, and in another long list of him sucking, he dropped a potential game winning touchdown.
If Jason Hill was any good at all, he wouldn’t get as much crap as he’s getting. It compounds the issue. Hill should have tried to catch the ball with his hands, instead he let it into his body because he’s not a good receiver.
And it's his fault how?
If I’m holding your arm down, how is it your fault exactly?
I’m not saying he’s the second coming, but on THAT particular play his arm was held down. I just disagree with your portrayal that he sucks because of THAT play.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Nov 21, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I'm real hurt Alfie
I generally disagree with almost everything you say, and this is no exception.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Nov 21, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
If that makes you happy at night by yourself
by Atl- Jags Fan on Nov 21, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
You really need to tone it down dude
You lose credibility acting like this
Stop demeaning people who disagree
You know far less than you think you do and NEVER, not ONE TIME, have admitted when you were wrong in this public forum, if it concerned a debate with someone who disagrees with you frequently
And you have been wrong.
He hasn’t lost any credibility with me, but you have. You should get some thicker skin, because you’re wrong a lot.
Throw the ball, score points.
You sure can dish a lot out on the computer
I am wrong sometimes, and when it happens, I admit to it
That being the principle difference here
There is a difference between me being wrong and you disagreeing with me though
So maybe wrong isn’t the word. I think you mean to say you don’t agree with me about the 3 or 4 things we have discussed on this site
Your real problem is you don’t read half of what I say, and instead have decided that I hate Blaine Gabbert
Exactly
But Jason Hill sucks
Either that, or part of the narrative starts to fail
Just like no one wanted to watch the throw to Hill against Carolina, blaming him for taking the pass out of bounds
It was probably Jason Hill’s fault that Gabbert missed him wide open in the end zone too
Or that he bobbled that pass thrown behind him, before catching it and preventing a pick
Exactly?
The catch is impossible? Stop buttering up to everyone that disagrees with the people you disagree with.
Throw the ball, score points.
I have been saying the exact same thing
So I agreed
Sure I say something. You do plenty of the same.
Not sure what you think your argument is, nothing hidden here
Agreed!
People are talking shit about Mike Thomas and everybody is giving Jack ass Del Rio a pass! Our Rookie QB missed a wide open Hill but wanna talk about Thomas quiting on routes. Gabbert failed the organization and the fans if people wanna go there. I’m getting tired of all the shit talking about Thomas. The last 3 seasons hes lead this damn team in yrds and receiving! i dont get it.
Houston's#1JagsFan
OK Johnny Cochran calm down
You’ll trash Gabbert, but get defensive about Thomas this doesn’t make sense. Thomas is no star, he is serviceable right now at best. Hopefully next year he can play a true slot and make good. Leading the Jags in yards and receiving is little to brag about. He does quit on routes and has dropped a lot of must need passes.
Take stock in your lives, but leave your livestock alone
he played poorly yesterday, and in many folks view, he is the latest in a number of some unnecessarily benevolent signings Wayne Weaver has made during the JDR era
If he was still on his rookie contract, it’d be a bit more palatable. But he and Marcedes signed their extensions and haven’t proven it since then. In a statistics world, the damning one is always the salary.
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I agree with you Fisher
But see the thing is, Blaine was drafted higher than any of the guys on Offense, Blaine is also a millionair. Whats the differene? Hes a rookie. Thomas is in his 3rd year. We need help on offense. A true #1 will take pressure of Gabbert and Thomas, and then everyone can start the Steve Smith comparison again.
Houston's#1JagsFan
Yeah, but the fact that he's a rookie is a big difference
He is also sowing signs of improvement, Thomas is showing signs of regression. That’s another important difference.
And no one should start with the Steve Smith comparisons. That comparison never should have been made in the first place
by JohnnyBiceps on Nov 21, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
the Steve Smith comparison is the handiwork of Vic Ketchman
What I’m starting to realize is Vic was nothing more than a cheerleader or mouthpiece who bristled when fans dared to question his knowledge of the game and confused criticism with questioning his integrity.
He was also a big run the ball stop the run proponent which is hilarious given his current job in Green Bay.
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People get defensive because you attack them
Generally in a personal way
Wake up
You wake up.
You’re abrasive. Let people make a point, then counterpoint. Stop going off on tangents. You sound way more foolish than Alfie, or anyone else. No goes on and on as bad as you, unless it’s you they’re talking to. If you’re giving Alfie crap, you’re giving BCC crap. This site provides more Jags info than any I’ve seen. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. And, if you can’t take it don’t dish it out.
Throw the ball, score points.
I agree with smy in some ways but agree with iodrew also.
smy, you do definitely go off on tangents lol….and make it sound REALLY personal yourself….
And Alfie does make a few comments that can be construed as personal attacks SOMETIMES…but not all the time (Re: Our ongoing Mike Sims-Walker convo being made much larger than it should have been). If I didn’t take a step back and realize that my opinion was being critiqued by a dude who doesn’t actually know me I would have been more angry than I should have been. It’s a game. It’s opinions.
No one’s perfect, and we all have flaws (human) and things we need to work on…but I’ll say that your response generally trump Alfie’s comments.
Travis D. Holmes
I dish it out because it comes
It’s that simple.
This conversation has no impact on my well-being, and so it isn’t about lacking the fortitude
It is about not taking unnecessary BS. I have had respectful conversations with plenty of people. Alfie chooses to deride me, and so I choose to call him out.
Agreed! I wondered why not try the field goal...
or go for the first down….could not see any reason to punt!
Because as strong as a leg as our kicker has their kicker's leg is just as strong....If we kick that FG and miss they're one 10-15 yd pass play from field goal range.
as much as it sucks to hear, that wasn’t a bad decision considering….
Travis D. Holmes
What do you mean?
The game was tied. Jack had the Browns right where he wanted them. There was no need to try and score points – that’s insane. You could lose the game trying to score points and being aggressive.
Throw the ball, score points.
I think you missed
my sarcasm. I should make it more obvious. My comment, however, was more about JDR than it was about the decision to punt.
Throw the ball, score points.
It could be that Scobee would have been kicking into the wind...
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
but it was worth the shot (the wind was not as severe as it was at the old stadium in Cleveland
of course Gabbert throwing the f’ing ball backwards did not help. Hell, just take the damn sack.
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All I have to say is
it’s a good thing that ball wasn’t recovered by the Browns, or that would have been near the top of the Jaguars All Time Bonehead Plays, second only to Meester hiking the ball to his ass a few years ago.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
Johnny Cochran?
Yeah OJ was innocent mothafucka! But anyways, I never said Thomas was a star. The entire Offense is crap and you guys wanna single out one dude and blame him for the reason our team is 3-7
Houston's#1JagsFan
ease up on the cursing man.
No need for it. M80 is not the reason we’re 3-7. However, we were led to believe by everyone involved that our problems were primarily due to the triggerman.
However, it seems like you feel he is above getting the blame. Watch the game again and see how many times he failed to finish routes. I saw about 5 instances. What were the stats 11 targets, 3 catches?
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What do you think is the cause?
I don’t remember him having this issue before. Why is he quitting now?
by Atl- Jags Fan on Nov 21, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
If I knew...
Maybe the receivers have that automatic clock in their head as well where if you didn’t get the ball in x number of seconds, save your energy because the odds are the qb either checked down to the running back or he tucked it and ran and your primary job was immediately downfield blocker.
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I don't have a problem with the clock management.
If you call timeout immediately after the first run, the defense knows you absolutely are not running again. Then you have to rely on your passing game exclusively, which is easily the weakest part of this team. By waiting until the after the next play (which was indeed a run) to call timeout, they still left themselves time for 2 plays. 3 plays, really, if you count the second run. So, the only missed out on one extra play, while trying to keep the defense honest for as long as possible, AND THEN THEY STILL THREW A WINNING TOUCHDOWN PASS…that was dropped.
This loss isn’t on the coaching. This loss is on Jason Hill and the receiving corps in general.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 21, 2011 2:32 PM EST reply actions
If you call timeout immediately after the first run, the defense knows you absolutely are not running again.
huh?
So with 30 plus seconds, no chance at all of a run. No delay draw. MJD was not pushed backwards all game. I think they could have run the ball at least 1 time.
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Maybe,
but that doesn’t leave you a whole lot of time, and now you don’t have any timeouts. You saw how much time ticked away after the first run. If they’d called timeout there and then come out and run the ball again without any timeouts, they’d probably have used up just as much time as they did in real life. It’s a lot more likely that, without a timeout in your pocket in case of emergency, they’d have just passed for four consecutive plays.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 21, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
they're not going to lay on MoJo for 15 seconds
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No they wouldn't
but after they snap the ball, hand off, mojo goes up the middle, then he fights to move the pile, and the refs spot the ball again, there would be about a good 10-12 seconds run off of the clock before the next down, and thats assuming Koetter has the next play ready to go as soon as the ball is in play.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 21, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
They still should have run on the last play
One yard line, he needs the ball
M80
M80 isn’t the major issue here …….. The major issue is that we don’t have receivers that get consistent separation or that strike fear in anyone ……. That being Hill , West, Dillard, Thomas ….. Whoever ……… Thoams is better suited used only in the slot ……. We need a #1 and a #2 receiver on this team …….. That should be a priority for next season …….. If we get a guy like Blackmon in the draft and add a guy like Dwayne Bowe in free agency , pair that up with M80 / Lewis / MJD and Gabbert ……. Then we would have something that teams would be scared of
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