Texans Vs. Jaguars Final: Same story, different week
by Adam Stites on Nov 27, 2011 4:39 PM EST
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PrintYet again the Jaguars defense gave the team a chance to win, even contributing seven points via a Ashton Youboty fumble recovery for a touchdown early in the first quarter. And yet again the Jaguars offense was utterly and completely inept, causing the Jaguars to lose their 8th game of the season.
The big storyline for the game was and will continue to be Jack Del Rio's 4th quarter decision to bench rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert in favor for Luke McCown. The decision all, but confirms that the Jaguars' decision to sit McCown late in their week two game against the Jets was a premature decision and Gabbert was not ready to start in his rookie season.
That said, Gabbert is hardly the only one to blame for the Jaguars offensive struggles today. Guy Whimper had an atrocious game against Conner Barwin who finished with four sacks, while the Texans defensive line accumulated 39 combined hits, pressures and sacks against Gabbert prior to McCown coming in. A late sack on McCown stalled a potential game-tying drive.
Gabbert was again not helped by his receivers as Cecil Shorts III dropped a 3rd down pass on the Jaguars opening possession, Marcedes Lewis dropped an absolutely wide open touchdown and Jason Hill didn't even attempt to fight for a ball that Jonathan Joseph ended up intercepting.
The Jaguars defense forced 10 Texans punts and bottled up the offense with the exception of some strong drives in the first half of the game.
It's too early to tell now, but it's certainly up in the air as to who will start at quarterback for the Jaguars on Monday night against the Chargers and it may even be up in the air as to who will be the head coach. Following the game Wayne Weaver was asked what Del Rio's future looks like as coach to which he responded, "Now's not the time. That's for another day."
At 3-8, any pipe dream at the playoffs the Jaguars had has been extinguished and the look to the 2012 season can officially begin for everyone.
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If Gabbert was not ready for 2011 season
Was he worth the #10 pick? Could he have been picked up at #16? Would he have fallen to the second round?
If the coaching staff knew he wasn’t ready and bowed down to public pressure after the Jets debacle, how horrible of a coaching staff do we truly have?
I don't know if Gabbert was worth the #10 or if he ever will be,
but this game (and this season) really showed how badly the Jaguars needed Garrard to have had one more year left in the tank.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
This season showed more than that
Everyone involved in the decision to not pick up a WR is an idiot
That beefing up one side of the ball and not the other is a dumb move
That our coaching staff is the worst in the NFL
That our owner is tone-deaf to the fan base
The fan base wanted a QB.
Hell, a good portion of the fan base wanted Tebow. I’m glad the owner doesn’t listen to the fans, in that case.
There’s only so much you can do in an offseason, especially one that barely existed. At least one side of the ball was shored up.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
You could've done a lot more
We have the second highest cap space…pretty sure we could have spent more on offensive free agents.
The fact that Wayne Weaver cannot tell that Jack Del Rio is a piss poor coach worries me. Which is why until he fires him and does not re-hire Gene Smith I will consider him an owner who really doesn’t care about this franchise.
Wow, you really couldn't be more wrong on these statements.
1) Gene drafted a WR this year. Cecil Shorts, who actually had a decent impact and caught a couple passes this week.
2) “Beefing up one side of the ball and not the other…” The first three draft picks were offensive players.
3) our Offense is the worst in the NFL. Any judgement on coaching stems from individual performances on the field, which outside of the passing game haven’t been bad.
4) RAWR! I H8 EVERTHING THAT DON"T WORK NOW!!!
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by Brian Levenson on Nov 27, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
1. a 4th round draft pick does not upgrade the WR corps.
2. A QB, 3rd round pick OL, 4th round pick WR who sucks. Good thing there was no free agents available to help. Veterans help too.
3. Having an all-pro running back helps the running game. There’s a huge difference when MoJo isn’t in the game
4. Wayne Weaver is a horrible owner and the only reason people think kindly of him is because he won’t move the franchise. If you have no ties to the city and are a fan of the team there’s no real reason to like him otherwise
Randy Moss and TO, right?
cue foaming at mouth
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they're having TERRIFIC seasons, right?
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
And Marvin McNutt.
Key detail: that’s all for this coming offseason, not that one before this season, when the Jaguars apparently had the ability to wave a magic wand and fix their entire team in one fell swoop.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Sidney Rice is playing the best out of those guys, by far.
And he has pretty much the same stats as Mike Thomas. Woooooo.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
But he doesn’t have that Franchise QB like we do. In my opinion, we should pass the ball more often to Thomas.
I think if Thomas gave a better effort
that we would.
His QB is worse than Gabbert
and that’s saying something. Also none of the other guys are #1 WRs where they are. They would be here
Actually, Tarvaris Jackson is doing better than Gabbert.
Gabbert literally has the worst QB rating in the NFL.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, but he's not a worse QB than Gabbert right now,
which was my only point.
Also, if Sidney Rice is not the #1 receiver in Seattle, who is, Doug Baldwin? Are you saying that Sidney Rice isn’t better than AN UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT ROOKIE? And yet you want him here, Bryqan?
So much facepalm.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Right now I'd take anyone
Because these guys can’t catch. What would it have hurt if we picked up a veteran WR in the offseason we’d still have a ton of cap room
I don't disagree that WR was badly misevaluated before the season started,
but there wasn’t a whole lot of help available. Those guys you listed wouldn’t have helped much. I would’ve liked Brandon Lloyd, but the real help was always to have to come this coming offseason. Lots of really good WRs prospects in the 2012 draft.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Compared to what we have?
Absolutely.
They either willfully ignored the WR position or completely failed to evaluate it. Take your pick.
by Alfie Crow on Nov 27, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I pick failure of evaluation. (I did say that later, but I don’t blame you if you’re not willing to slog through 400 comments of nonsense)
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by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Both
They willfully ignored it because they failed to evaluate it properly.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
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#3
We will be much better next year with just the addition of Jennings I think.
C'mon Bryqan
The powers that be thought that the offense, which was ranked about 16th last year (I did not check this), was adequate enough to at least maintain its status with a healthy David Garrard. You can’t predict injuries. I think Gene Smith is not a dumb GM. He will have the ship righted next year. As for Jack Del Rio, that’s another post.
I think Gabbert will be a star QB down the road.
by Hurricane8765 on Nov 27, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt public pressure was the reason they switched to Gabbert
Section 442, RIP
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by unhipcat on Nov 27, 2011 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
dude asked his OC whether to take a TO on that last drive
HC asking an OC something like that is proposterous if ou ask me
Then why switch to Gabbert??
They said all season long he wasn’t ready to be a starter just yet. If they felt McCown was better then why bench him after one bad game
I don't know the exact reasons
but I’m pretty I’m pretty sure the conversation didn’t include, “Well, the fans want to see Blaine, so let’s play him.”
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Gabbert wasn't helped by his teammates...
…but he wasn’t helped by himself either. There were a lot of passes that were nowhere near target. Is it me or does it look like he’s afraid of contact? On some of those plays it looked like he wanted to run but didn’t wanna get hit so he just stood there for a while.
change the OL or he cant begin to succeed! kid is running scared and should be. Between the OL and the WR’s he has no help but MJD.
I agree he has no help
but hes far behind in terms of fundamentals. Your suppose to resort to your fundamentals under pressure, and he has shown he basically has none to speak of unfortunately.
I do agree that we need to improve our offense. we also need to have great second string defenders in case players like Session, Lowery, Mincey, and Cox get injured. They’re good defenders, but it doesn’t help when they’re hurt. Wasn’t Bently from the practice squad or something?
by Hurricane8765 on Nov 27, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
UPDATE
Jags now back to having the WORST scoring offense in the NFL.
I really think if the team plays horrible against San Diego it’s time to start an #OccupyEverBank movement until changes are made.
What i didn’t get was when Gabbert was in, the receivers dropped basically every pass, including Lewis’s dropped TD and the O-Line let the D sack him 7 times. Then McCown comes in and the receivers caught every tough pass and allowed 1 sack. It seems like the team doesn’t want Gabbert starting.
Lewis certainly seems that way
He went up and fought for that ball on 3rd and 26 or so but he can’t hold on to a wide open TD pass.. something seems off there
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Gabbert throws a hard ball to catch
I think Ewd has been saying that all year and I agree with him, Gabbert throws fastballs all the time.
Not anything that Mark Brunnel #8 did in the 1990s. Look what happened. we went to the Playoffs four out five seasons, and almost went to the Superbowl in 99.
by Hurricane8765 on Nov 27, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I also don't see Jimmy Smith or Kennan McCardell on our roster
Its a combination of a lot of things, but its hard to argue that Gabbert throws great balls for his receivers all the time.
I can see that. They probably have more respect for McCown since he is NOT a rookie.
by Hurricane8765 on Nov 27, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
It's not like Marcedes was covered in the Endzone
the point isn’t that guys where all of a sudden getting open, the point was that they seemed to be making the tough catch when they were dropping the seemingly easy ones earlier.
Though I remember this same conversation during the preseason when they were dropping balls DG was throwing and letting him get sacked but then catching and protecting when the other 2 guys were in.
Definitely need to upgrade the WR position but something short of a turn style at RT would be pretty helpful as well.
Guys weren’t “all the sudden” getting open. They weren’t “making tough catches” for McCown.
The only difference was for a single drive, McCown faced prevent with the Texans backed off. After the field goal, they went back to playing defense and McCown was sacked and nearly picked off.
If people think players really “play harder” or “not as hard” for one quarterback or the other, I’m sorry you’re just stupid. It doesn’t work like that.
I..
think the only thing switching to McCown confirmed was that the O-line was terrible today especially Whimper.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 4:48 PM EST reply actions
just a shell-shocked veteran
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The Texans didn't blitz as much with luke
but when they did, he got sacked too
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I still couldn’t watch the game so I just have what you say to go on. Mi-Connection didn’t even show the game. All I was able to do was keep track of the scores on NFL.com (which wasn’t working properly) and NFL Scoreboard.
by Hurricane8765 on Nov 27, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm glad you see things this way
I can’t even read the Jaguars message boards anymore, fans are pitiful.
Anyways, the o-line was God awful. Even Luke was pressured, so can’t blame Blaine for everything. I dont remember seeing so many drops by a jaguars offense, pretty much ever. Whether its Lewis, Hill, Shorts, it’s just become a pattern with anyone on offense. That’s no coincidence.
As for JDR, why did they feel they had to rush the 4th down play? JDR game after game just does the OPPOSITE of what he’s supposed to do.
Final thoughts: Bigtime WR changes need to be made, Blaine needs time, and JDR needs to go. But we knew that already. Just enjoy the rest of the season Jags fans (if you can). Here’s to 2012!
by jagzman04 on Nov 27, 2011 4:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The things with Gabbert is his reaction when pressure is in his face, footwork, and accuracy.
Pressure- His biggest problem. With our O-Line, he will be pressured all the time so he needs to learn to stand tall with pressure in his face. If this problem isn’t fixed in the offseason, we will not succeed.
Footwork- A problem all season long, but it can be fixed in the offseason.
Accuracy- Some throws were off-target, but some were just dropped passes. In my opinion, he did well with accuracy.
I still have high-hopes with Gabbert, but I don’t see him being great for about another 2 years.
Those things need more then an offseason to fix
He can make big strides, but I don’t think they will be “fixed” for a few years if ever. I hope he makes up for it in other areas over the years, he has serious talent.
We need to invest a little time and money into the the team. Pay Warner a little cash to come in and tutor Gabbert for about six weeks. we will notice a difference. He’ll still be Gabbert, not a rookie, but he would have improved. Warner could help with footing, and accuracy. As for Pressure, he has to do this for himself.
by Hurricane8765 on Nov 27, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
just got home from the game
and boy i tell u, a couple things stood out. guy whimper consistently whiffs, the DROP, russel allen was good, alualu is average right NOW (i know hes hurting) and gabbert is just not ready yet. i do believe he will be our franchise qb though. oh and mike thomas just isnt the same mike thomas i remember coming out of arizona
Not a fan of Weaver's response
He sounds eerily like BC AD Gene DeFilippo on Coach Spaziani. Watch Jags will beat Indy to end the season and Mr. Weaver will say JDR will be the head coach as he likes what he saw from the team towards the end
Blaine is not the man
I think it is eveident after seeing 8 other rookie QB’s, some playing their first game, that Gabbert is not the man…you can make all the ecuses but you are simply hiding your head in the sand…An nfl QB has to stand in the pocket and see the field and deliver the ball even with the rush in his face…Blaine cannot do that. Sorry Gene, you missed! The Jags need to draft another QB.
your jumping the gun trust me.
blaine was RAW outta college. i could easily say he had no offseason and was thrown in the fire with no recievers and below average o-line but thats his fault right??? hes messing up obviously but last week he showed strides this week he regressed while getting hit pressured or sacked 39 count it 39 times. so chill out
Which goes back to my original comment
If all this is known, why draft him at #10? Other teams must have known, he could’ve been taken at #16, hell he might have fallen to the 2nd round where expectations would have been lowered.
He’s a FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK he needs to play like it or be listed as another reason why Gene Smith should NOT be re-hired
First round picks aren't necessarily meant for IMMEDIATE success
Long term success is why they are taken high
by kungfuman104 on Nov 27, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Top 10 picks are supposed to be able to contribute immediately.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not neccisarily
and he has “contributed”, he just seems like the only one trying to contribute to the passing game.. excluding MJD of course
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
How long did Rivers sit?
Is Jake Locker playing? Carson Palmer sat a bit too, didn’t he?
QB is different, it always is
by kungfuman104 on Nov 27, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
About a year and a half
and didn’t look good after that if I remember correctly
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
How long did Peyton Manning sit? Eli Manning? Matt Ryan? Sam Bradford? Matthew Stafford? Etc etc etc
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Eli sat about 3/4 of the season fella
Argument fail!
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
He played in 9 games and started 7.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ok about 2/3 of the season
still doesn’t change my comment tho
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
9/16 = 56%
Blaine also has appeared in 9 games this season. And if he’s benched for the rest of the season, which I think is what should happen, they would’ve played exactly the same amount. With equal effectiveness, but still, it wasn’t a surprise that Eli was expected to contribute. Why is it such a surprise that Gabbert should’ve been expected to contribute?
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by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Plus Eli was in college for 4 years plus had an NFL offseason
by kungfuman104 on Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
And played in a pro-style offense but lets not give any of those,
and his father and brother had a little bit of NFL experience but lets not give any more of those “excuses”
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
The rest of my examples, plus all the other ones I can't think of right now, still stand.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
The other ones you can't think of
Nice, can’t argue with that
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Thats even less of the season which goes even further against your point
And like I said he has contributed but doesn’t have the likes of Amani Toomer assisting him.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
56% = the amount of the season HE (and Gabbert) DID PLAY
which is a lot more than missing 2/3 or 3/4 of the season. And even if he had missed 9/16 of the season, that’s still less than 2/3 or 3/4…… nice math fail.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man..lmfao
2/3=66% and 3/4=75%.. Math fail indeed…LMFAO.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
You: Eli sat about 3/4 of the season.
Me: He played in 9 and started 7.
You: That’s still like 2/3 of the season.
Me: No, if you appear 9 out of 16 games, that means you have only sat for 7 games, and 7/16 = 43.75%
You: This helps prove my point somehow! 2/3 is less than 3/4!
Me: …and those are both much more than 7/16, which is what he actually missed.
You: HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
You said
7/16 is much more than 2/3 or 3/4.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
And he had Kurt Warner ahead of him.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
+1
A rookie is expected to struggle when he starts his 1st year. Gabbert has little weapons at WR and now, Lewis is looking like a bust, to me, in the receiving game. We need to draft a WR for Gabbert to work with.
i understand your frustration
completely but, he was drafted based on potential. not saying they were right or wrong its just too early bro. he would not have fell to 2nd round ofcourse well never know. the big miss is alulu over pierre-paul. i will never get over it and i like alulalu but i love pass rushers.
problem is when he was taken at 10..im sure GS didnt think he would have the OL he has right now. Not to mention the fact im sure he figured that the WR core would suck so bad either. As for the coaching the kid is getting, im sure it is awesome! he must be so excited to come to work and get blistered on the field on sunday.
Coaching
His QB coach is a WR coach. Right there is another reason our owner’s horrible. Either extend all the coaches to traditional 2 year contracts so Shula doesn’t leave or just bite the bullet and fire JDR
lol these guys are ready to label him a bust this quickly cmon man
do i have to throw the old (troy aikman rookie year) thing at you
Manning
Still threw for over 3000 yards, had a 26 td to 28 int ratio and completed 53% of his passes.
Our rookie is struggle to get to 1500, has 6 TDs and 6 INTs and is completing 48% of his passes.
I will take Manning’s rookie year over Gabberts
You don't think thats struggling?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
With the 28 picks?
or is your imagination excluding those?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take the turnovers if they also were accompanied by
a lot more scoring, accurate passing, and generally showing any ability to MOVE THOSE CHAINS.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
With 20 more TDs and assuming some go back for TDs. I have faith in our defense to do what they’ve been doing an holding teams to FGs or less most of the time
So our defense is going to hold up after every single turnover?
I guess when your dreaming anything is possible
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I meant assuming some INTs go back for TDs. Based on the average ratio of that, I’d say we still score more than we lose. Having 140 more points on offense even adding 100 more on defense we still win a few more games
That would depend on where we were on the field
and how many in each game, theres no way to say that they would win more games, the colts were about 3-13 with all those turnovers. no reason to think we would fare any better
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Its not just you
but when you write +1 you should actually rec the post.
thats where our defense would be if our QB constantly threw picks and gave the other team a short field
see: Jets game
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Defense has grown since then
Safe to say if Mel Tucker’s as good a DC as you say he is we would at least be top 10
Being a good DC
isn’t going to help if your defense is constantly on the field with a short field behind them
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Manning had
Marvin Harrison and Faulk had almost 1000 yards receiving.
Throw the ball, score points.
Aikman
He only threw for 1700 yards but still had 18 TDs and 19 INTs and a 52% completion rating. All in 11 games…which is worse than Gabbert is at right now
Who was he throwing to?
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by unhipcat on Nov 27, 2011 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
only a HOF reciever ;)
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
I think Irvin was out with a torn ACL Aikman's rookie year
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Revisionist history is beautiful. Hell, down the road people may say, “yeah, but Blaine Gabbert was throwing to Marcedes Lewis, he’s like Shannon Sharpe” without seeing the true picture.
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Too quick
to judge a really young, raw, rookie after eight games. He has done good things. He had some drops today along with terrible protection. He got discouraged. The Jags were not a good fit for him. That’s why, I think, the staff needs an overhaul.
Throw the ball, score points.
I was really hoping that my assessment of Gabbert would be off...
That he wouldn’t be an early underachiever and potentially a bust, but let’s face it, he’s been beyond ineffective through 8 games. Too bad we don’t have any other options…
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So your officially calling him a bust?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
He's got the lowest QB rating in the league.
That doesn’t make him a bust, because it’s just year one, but it does mean he’s playing terribly right now.
Most QBs get 3 years before final judgement is passed. We’ll see what happens.
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by Brian Levenson on Nov 27, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Everything around him (other than MJD) points to Blaine struggling
He has everything working against him
by kungfuman104 on Nov 27, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
That would be premature.
He’s showing early signs though…
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by Brian Levenson on Nov 27, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Let's see what he does with
a year under his belt, an O-line, and a big, fast receiver.
Throw the ball, score points.
god i hope we hire someone that might get that for him. maybe a coaching staff that knows what to do with a young QB. Koetter already siad he hasnt ever coach a first year one.
Why would it?
You said he has the lowest QB rating and is early underachiever.. you saw that before he took a snap, why is it too early to say he is a bust as well?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Because he does have the arm.
The only problem is it’s attached to a body that can’t get comfortable in the pocket, eyes that go down too early and a brain that’s not ready to process everything thrown at him until he gets more comfortable playing at the NFL level.
That sometimes happens, and sometimes doesn’t.
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by Brian Levenson on Nov 27, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
blaine said he's not gonna make excuses.
and i’m certainly not going to make any for him.
i like his attitude a lot. but he needs new coaches and an offseason.
by BassPlaysDave on Nov 28, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
haha i realize that doesn't make sense because i just gave an excuse.
what i mean is yes, he needs new coaches and an offseason. but in the meantime, he should still be held accountable for sucking. we can’t just give him free reign to play like crap. he said it comes down to him and i’ll hold him to that rather than blame it on anyone else.
by BassPlaysDave on Nov 28, 2011 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
Is it such a problem when someone says "I told you so" when they did, in fact, tell you so and is so far being proven right?
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was really hoping I wouldn't have to say it...
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by Brian Levenson on Nov 27, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Manning would be a bust on this team then..perfect! Dear WW please dont draft anymore QB’s our team blows and they will all be busts
Manning
Would have about 1500 more yards, 20 more TDs, 22 more INTs and 5% better completion rating.
If our current QB could get completions and more scoring, the INT number will go down.
EXACTLY
It’s like discrimination between Gabbert and McCown. Lewis was in the endzone and dropped an easy TD pass, but then McCown comes in and Lewis decides to catch a ball I thought he would drop.
It wouldn't be a problem if it were true
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Is it?
Underachieving is kind of an opinion based thing
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I would probably call literally the worst QB rating in the NFL underachieving.
There’s a good chance a QB is underachieving when his team’s fans have to get excited when he cracks 100 yards passing.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
If your only looking for him to get game experience
and grow as a QB then he hasn’t underachieved
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well that would require him showing any progress at all,
and if anything, his footwork’s gotten even worse.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
No, that would be pretty unacceptable, right?
And yet…
not sure if serious or trolling
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Where did I say anything about progress?
And how has he not shown progress? His footwork has not been worse, it has been slightly better but its not something that you will see a vast improvement mid-season. Its an issue that has to be focused on exclusively in an offseason
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
and grow as a QB
growing = progress
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Grow
G-R-O-W. Grow, meaning, gaining experience and knowledge.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'd sure like to know the mental gymnastics you'd have to do to think that a QB is growing if he's not showing any signs of progress, i.e. not getting any better.
Which he’s not.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he is showing signs.
It takes a keen eye to see it. Today was a regression, that’s all.
Throw the ball, score points.
That would be funny
if it made sense. Once (and if) he learns when to stand there and make throws, he’ll be good.
Throw the ball, score points.
+1
Its only his 1st year. Why is everyone dissin on him already??? I know he has struggled, but HE’S A ROOKIE with a bad O-Line and no weapons.
Logic doesn't seem to play well on this site
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Who here thought Gabbert would come in his rookie year with no offseason and play well?
Even after Garrard was cut?
I thought he would be able to get the ball at least close to receivers...
….even though there were some drops, over the past 8 weeks there really haven’t been a lot of accurate passes.
by moufpuncha on Nov 27, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
see 7 sacks and 39 pressures..wonder why he is running for his life and not getting the bal to them..oh yeah also refer to an early out junior with no preparation=FAIL..toss in an inept coaching ataff anf you have BLAME A ROOKIE
but you can't read 7 sacks and 39 pressures and say that's why he's not doing well..
….granted we don’t have an all star offensive line, but 7 sacks and 39 pressures are partly because he just doesn’t have it right now. He’s way too indecisive and he hears those footsteps, he just breaks down. Some of those sacks today was because he was just sitting there trying to decide if he should take off and face contact. Some of the pressures was because he was holding on to the ball too long. I’m not blaming a rookie, I’m just calling it like I saw it. Being a rookie had nothing to do with that. So please let’s stop using he’s a rookie as an excuse.
he is damed if he does and doesnt..if he is getting his ass kicked and makes too fats of a decision he sucks. if he tries to stay in the pocket and gets sacked he sucks. here is a novel idea..OL block someone for more than a 1/2 a second. give the kid a bit of time to make a decision. oh and maybe when he does the WR’s should catch the really important passes. you know the ones in the gut for TD’s. might just give your ROOKIE QB a bit of confidence. maybe they should actually try to fight for the ball or get some separation on a play. it is so easy to blame BG, fact of the matter is that on the offensive side of the ball. from the HC to the players, this team lacks talent!
He is around 50% completion and if you add his drops in, he'd probably be mid 50's
Yes, he has had bad throws, but overall it is not nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be. It is hard completing passes to guys who are always well covered.
by kungfuman104 on Nov 27, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't been a lot accurate passes?
Thats just flat out stupid, he has had off throws and even some bad decisions but to say there haven’t be a lot of accurate passes, is just an inaccurate assessment
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
-100
THERE DEFINITLY HAVE BEEN A LOT! OF INACCURATE PASSES.. WHAT GAMES ARE YOU WATCHING.. REALY!
If people truly
understood the cause for his inaccuracy, they wouldn’t be judging it yet.
Throw the ball, score points.
There are a lot of causes
one is his footwork. I think that can be judged personally and it sucks, he doesn’t have NFL starter footwork and thats alarming.
I think he will overcome it.
It’s a bad habit from college, the NFL is faster, and he’s trying not to get killed in the pocket. If he gets the confidence and awareness to stand in the pocket and step into his throws, he’ll be okay.
Throw the ball, score points.
I'm not so sure
I want badly to support Blaine, but if your skills aren’t good enough you shouldn’t be playing at a high level. Hes not very good fundamentally and that to me is scary because players in every sport develop fundamentals over years and years from Pee-Wee through Varsity. Its not something that can be suddenly fixed in an off-season…
I hope I’m wrong, and it doesn’t mean that he can’t make up for his struggles in some areas by excelling in others.
What I love about Gabbert
is each week I’ve noticed he’s stepped into more throws which tells me he’s aware of his issues. I’ve heard him speak and he wants to be good. Everything is there, he just needs to turn the corner. Time will tell.
Throw the ball, score points.
Why is it alarming?
Most rookies coming out of a spread don’t have NFL starter footwork. Most would struggle with that with a normal offseason.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
No, no, no.. he had like 5 seconds on every play
didn’t you count? lol
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
did you see that replay
where no one was around him and he was scrambling around like the world was coming down around him? and the commentators took time to specifically point that out?
i bet you didn’t.
If you made it
then yup, its stupid
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
There was no point in this game when no one was around him
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
False again,
There was someone right behind him coming off another terrible block from Whimper and the play was a screen so the center and guard where letting there guys get free as well
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t get how the O-Line can have a good game against Cleveland when they had the #1 D and struggle against Houston which they now have the #1 D???
They have been inconsistent all year
Its a coin flip whether or not the OL shows up to play, today was one of those days they decided not to.
Idk what it was
but that performance was embrassing
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the truth
and the truth is I haven’t really sat back and watched how much other guys struggle with it so you might have a point.
But I had no idea how far behind Blaine was in this area, to me its scary to be that far behind in your fundamentals and be playing pro football. I don’t think hes the kind of QB who can get away with it either, hes not going to be a runner despite whats been advertised so hes going to have to make a living throwing the ball.
I hope he gets better in the off-season, but I don’t think improvement will come so quickly.
He went from a college spread offense
to a pro offense with no offseason and a wide receiver as his QB coach
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
by unhipcat on Nov 27, 2011 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is that suppose to make me sympathize with him or overlook the fact that his footwork does indeed suck?
The truth is I don’t think he should have ever been on the field this year, but that became a pipe dream when Garrard was released. I understand he is a rookie and I thought he wasn’t ready to play so I will have patience with him but it doesn’t change the fact that there are some serious problems with his game and I think its going to be tough for him to fix them all in an offseason like many are suggesting.
he doesn't need your sympathy
I’m telling you why his footwork and pocket presence suck. with proper coaching, it shouldn’t be a problem next season
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
And I'm saying its not going to be that easy of a fix
I hope that your right.
He went from a college spread offense
to a pro offense with no offseason and a wide receiver as his QB coach
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
by unhipcat on Nov 27, 2011 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's a rookie
on a bad offense. You better get used to him, he’s not going anywhere soon.
Throw the ball, score points.
Not true
There’s a chance with us picking top 5, the new regime (if WW actually fires JDR and doesn’t re-hire Gene Smith) will want a new QB.
Unless part of the hiring process is hiring a staff who likes Gabbert
I'm thinking someone's sales pitch
will be that they can work with Gabbert.
Throw the ball, score points.
Judging by the stories on BCC,
Wayne Weaver is taking just one more crack. I think we need an experienced NFL head coach.
Throw the ball, score points.
-40 IQ points
Not a lot. Some but not “a lot” as you geniuses say
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Dont think so...
…a lot of his throws are terrible. Rewatch and be honest. Exhibit A was the clips and comments about him not being accurate at all after he threw a ball to Marcedes in the dirt on an out route.
Ok, so that's one
I said earlier he wasn’t helped by his teammates but it’s not ALL on his teammates. And it’s not ALL because he’s a rookie.
If it hits a WR on the hands, he has got to catch it
There were at least 4 that hit a WR on the hands and it fell to the ground. Not saying its all on the teammates, but he is not getting nearly the help he needs to succeed
by kungfuman104 on Nov 27, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
i'm just saying...
…if we go back and look at the game, there will be a lot more bad passes than passes that hit receivers dead in the hands.
I agree, but this is a rediculous argument we are all having on here. The kid isnt ready and thats obvious. i just find it comical that after all jags fans have been thorugh that we fail to agree that there is more to it than the single QB spot. this team is so deficient in offensive coaching and players. like they say the QB gets too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss. i see a lot of good at tie from him. would love to see what he has with a full offseason, good coaching, better WR’s and an OL that not from baylor.
He's had plenty of awful throws. Potential or not, you can't deny that.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
All of your statements are stupid
But I never denied he has had some bad throws, I disagreed with how many you tried to claim he has had
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
who thought this team would actually succed with JDR as the coach..we arent even into december yet..lol
Yeah we are about to go 0 for 4 in December under jdr
But I think we will win our jan. 1 game vs colts
by Slawsc on Nov 27, 2011 6:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gene Smith/Jack Del Rio
I mean they TRADED UP for him so one would assume they thought he could come in and win more than 2-3 games
Correct me if I am wrong
But didn’t they say they had planned for Gabbert to sit behind Garrard?
by kungfuman104 on Nov 27, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Then why cut Garrard
Luke McCown has always been a pre-season wonder and been horrible in the regular season. This staff had to have known that.
Regardless if they had cut him or not
He had to have surgery and is out for the year. So their original plan of having Gabbert sit and learn went out the window either way
by kungfuman104 on Nov 27, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Would he have needed surgery if they kept him
Also if they knew that and still cut him w/o him being listed as injured then we really do have the worst football staff in the league from the owner on down
This sums up the agrument of you guys all day
You actually think keeping him on the roster would have prevented him from needing surgery.. wow.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly don't know how bad his back is/was
Could he have been out the first half? Remember this issue didn’t pop up till the middle of the season and no team was going to sign him just to put him on IR
So if he played football, his injury would have been better?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
No
But with actual rehab he might have been able to come back by week 6 or 8. Like I said, I have no clue how bad his back is/was
Right. because a season ending surgery would have been help with a cold tub
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I DON'T KNOW HOW BAD HIS BACK IS
How many times can I say that. My original point was if the Jags knew his back was that bad and still cut himv rather than place him on IR that’s a pretty horrible thing to do and we have the worst people in football if they knew and did nothing.
How bad was it when was released?
Did it get worse in the 6 weeks he was released until the Raiders wanted him
Not a horrible thing to do
They probably didn’t know how bad his back was and if they did they would be sued.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
IF they knew it was bad enough to be IR'd then it is a horrible thing to do
If they didn’t, then they thought that McCown and Gabbert could do fine or better than him to the point where if he could come back it wouldn’t have been necessary (i.e. they were winning more than 3 games)
Either way it’s a questionable decision IMO. But like I have said repeatedly I have no clue how bad his back was at the time he was released.
The extent of his injury was not known at the time.
Garrard was released for being terrible. The injury just means that, had he not been terrible, he still wouldn’t be able to contribute to the Jag’s season, because he’d be on IR by now.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
IF
they knew, they would be sued. As of now, they have not.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of people are making me facepalm today,
but this takes the facepalm cake.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Because he also crapped the bed and was/is injured.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
i would assume they didnt expect to have a horrible OL, and not to mention the WR’s to play this bad as well.
I'm waching the Denv vd SAN DEIGO game right now. Say what you what about Tebow but I have noticed he has pretty good pocket presense.
All kinds of pressure and he is just sliding ever so slowly in the pocket looking downfield..
This is all Gabbert has to learn. Is how to move in the pocket. As of now he has no clue.
Its not all he has to learn
its not so simple.
I guess you just regurgitate what everone else has to say? Are you watching the Denver game?
Tebow looks 10 times better than Gabbert ever has.
Wow.. comparing a running back to QB
is this what we have come to?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I tried to think of this
Obviously you intended Grabagert as an insult but…
really? I mean, that’s more pitiful than you think his play is.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
Please say something that's ban-worthy.
Let’s get this over with.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
TROLL ALERT!!!!
Throw the ball, score points.
by iodrew on Nov 27, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
karim
Deji Karim is terrible. why do we even give him the ball even once?
D. L. Zook
by zookdev on Nov 27, 2011 5:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I hate to say Gabbert could be a bust.
One thing you can’t coach is the heart and toughness and Gabbert has zero on both.
There are some reasons why the offensive gurus Whisenhut, Harbaugh , Palmer(Munchak) and Harbaugh didn’t pick him. They knew the risk and however good coaches they are either didn’t want to take a risk or should’ve believe not a first round material. I also bet Gabbert would’ve been available @ 16 as Minn would’ve picked Ponder.
Another thing thats going to impact Gabbert is that he was unlucky enough to be drafted by a team coached by Jack Del Rio/ Dirk Koeter/ Mike Shephard. So I believe its hard for Gabbert to overcome this easily.
And if the Jags waited
maybe the Vikes take Gabbert and the Jags could have had Ponder… Who knows for sure…
Waiting for Relevancy...
Ryan Leaf's rookie season (10 games, 9 starts):
45.3% completion, 1289 yards, 2 TDs, 15 INTs, 39.0 rating, 22 sacks, 8 fumbles (4 lost)
Gabbert’s rookie season (9 games, 8 starts):
48.9% completion, 1235 yards, 6 TDs, 5 INTs, 64.4 rating, 22 sacks, 8 fumbles (2 lost)
It can always be worse…but that’s a whole lot closer than I’d like…
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 5:31 PM EST reply actions
You're right,
4 more Touchdowns to 10 less INT is REALLY close.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
Completion %, yards, sacks, fumbles, and general ineffectiveness are all close.
Gabbert takes less chances and throws more balls that aren’t catchable…by either side.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
But Turnovers are the biggest stat in football,
ask any coach.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
And to be fair ive seen quite a few dropped passes,
by defenders and our own recievers. Stats don’t lies, but there is always more to it than that, at the end of the day there is MORE to consider than the numbers. In every situation.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
And to be fair, that was an awful Chargers team, and Leaf likely also had to deal with a bunch of dropped passes and generally bad receivers.
I’m not saying Gabbert is the next Leaf, but he is playing very poorly, and I’m concerned. I obviously want him to succeed, because that means the Jaguars are succeeding.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 28, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
listen,
I agree with you that there is cause for concern, frankly I’M older than Gabbert and I’m only a senior in college. I just want to see he have an offseason before I jump off his bandwagon
I guess there is so much to be negative when it comes to my sports teams I choose to look at the positive, I don’t watch sports to feel depressed.
It pains me to see fans calling for Gabbert’s head 9 games in though.
Anyways I’ve rambled enough. Cheer up Gang!
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
If we didn't want Gabbert to start
Why didn’t we trade a late round pick for Orton before the season started
Can't argue for him anymore
but, say goodbye to fourth down conversions.
Throw the ball, score points.
damnit, you're right.
Alright as hesitant as I was…
I’ll coach the team next year, My resume boasts an impressive Madden win-loss record and phenominal salary cap management.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
All-Madden
naturally
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
It's funny how I just got a warning for MY language when everyone else is saying the same thing.
And he told me to not troll other Blogs. LOL. How is calling the texans fans Hypocrites for saying there should have been a flag on POZ for a late hit on the yates slide?
And why are you stalking me on other blogs also?
GABBERT SUCKS!
You know exactly what word that is
Point is if a word is derogotory you don’t say it. If you don’t like it you can start your own blog where you can say whatever you like
Yes MOMMY. And no I never said that on any blog.
They cuss up a storm on BRB the texans blog. Even the moderators
Because the post I flagged you on
you used a word that rhymes with here that is derogotory towards homosexuals. I just wanted to know if you thought it was okay to also use words that are derogotory towards African Americans
You Flgged me for using a word that was derogatory to homosexuals?
OMG LOL…. Good for you! Way to be the stand up PC guy.
And why are you stalking me on other blogs also?
You’re under an umbrella of SB Nation.
You should chill out and not start sh*t.
Throw the ball, score points.
Don't stoop to everyone else's level.
It’s “The art of fighting, without fighting.” -Bruce Lee
Throw the ball, score points.
Tebow Just threw a strike for a TD! And He has been throwing a good ball all game. He has had some bad droppes by Rooyal and Decker.
He is getting better and BG is regressing SMH
i dont care what anybody says
i still think we should have drafted him, because no matter how bad he seems at times, he is a winner.
i didn't
say anything about him, i guess thats good.
Tebow has heart and courage. Gabbert has an Arm and Hair.
You can start throwing better but you can’t overcome being a weeny.
Yep , I would trade Gabbert str8 up for Tebow right now.
IDK what all these genius’ say." He’ll never be a NFL QB, It won’t last" Blah Blah Blah."
Meanwhile he is getting better.
To be fair, the Jags beat the Ravens somehow.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Nov 27, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Look
Tebow is running an offense that is only goign to work so long in the NFL. Blaine Gabbert is a guy who is talented enough that he was immediately able to work in a prostyle offense. Tebow, on the other hand is running this option offense which as of right now is “new” and unique. However, it will only be so long before teams come up with the effective gameplan and then tebow will become obsolete and he will have to figure out how to run a pro-style offense. You wanna know who he is going to become?!! Every other spread QB who has to change positions when he enters the NFL. Just about every NFL GM realizes this, and so the fact that you do not realize this makes it obvious that you are not an NFL GM.
Ya whatever dude. I watched Tebow with my own eyes. Even after I watched Gabbert beforehand and had my eyes almost burned out by his play.
I saw Tebow stand Tall in the pocket today. I saw Tebow go through 4 progressions and then through the ball deep to decker for a huge gaine. I saw him make a bunch of nice deep throws .. Yes Tebow is becoming and NFL QB. He is progressing nicely. Gabbert is regressing.
Tebow's
OL is progressing, ours is regressing, How often does Gabbert have time to go through 4 reads? not very often, maybe that has something to do with it bud.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
Even more obvious is you just regurgitate info you have heard on blogs and NFLN.
If you watched the Chargers / Broncos game today you would have seen a QB that is playing way better than Gabbert.. And that’s Throwing, Running, and winning.
Also Tebow is helped out by a good defense that keeps him in games.
Remember Mia and the Wildcat they ran. How long did that trend last? I love Tebow but this is the NFL with the best coaches, they will figure him out. Also this is his 2nd season. Can Blaine please get an offseason to learn?
Tebow was 1/5 before that drive.
Twitter: BLByline Youtube: BLByline
I'm willing to drink the Kool-ade, but I'm hungry for the truth.
by Brian Levenson on Nov 27, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, so Tebow's recievers drop passes,
Gabbert’s recievers never even get a chance because he’s so awful it’s not even close.
We get it. You’re wrong, entitled to be wrong… but you’re still wrong
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
gabbert
my problem with gabbert is i see him doing the exact thing every game, like they just completely ignore it in practice. sometimes i think they dont even watch the tape because he continues to feel phantom pressure. he still folds up instead of stepping into his throws. i swear sometimes i dont know who he is throwing to, is he throwing to the ground or the stands, i never know.
i understand he is a rookie
but sometimes he looks like he should still be in college, NOT the nfl.
Pretty disheartened
with what I saw today… First, Gabbert is a rookie so I’m willing to accept some growing pains, and secondly he is getting very little help from the line and especially the receivers, but I think it is willful blindness to not be very worried with what we’re seeing from him. Alot of the sacks are on him. He has zero pocket presence- he looks like a squirrel trying to cross a busy street even when the pocket is clean. He holds the ball way too long, and breaks the pocket and at least once he created the sack by running into a well-blocked DE when he should have stepped up. The inaccuracy is also troubling because it stems from poor footwork/flinching. He can put the ball on target occasionally, but right now he is simply not accurate. All these are on him, not the piss poor receivers we have or our right about average line play. While I understand his frustration, the body language/facial expressions were also just awful- he looked lost, afraid, and shell-shocked.
We have to hope that he can fix his footwork and become more composed in the pocket over the offseason. For me, its clearly about hope at this stage, because I can’t really say he has shown any potential to develop that. Of course he might, but I havent seen any evidence he will.
Also, on the interception its not really a matter of Hill not fighting for the ball. It was a horrible decision to throw it in the first place, and it was also underthrown to boot.
Del Rio should be fired- utterly botching the clock management in consecutive games is enough of a reason. Accountability.
Del Rio
will probably blame someone else and keep his job because Mr. Weaver does not want to pay two head coaches at the same time. Also Del Rio has a bunch of excuses for this season and Mr. Weaver will buy them because he doesn’t care about how this team does
No way
That would require him to eat 5 million dollars, and he didn’t want to spend extra money to hire a real QB coach. Why would he want to fire a head coach who has plenty of excuses why this team couldn’t contend for the playoffs
Yes.
I also think he doesn’t care about this team in the least and has given up. He figures he will own the team either until this season is over or maybe for 5-10 more years. There’s no way the team will lose money, so why bother caring
Don't be jealous.
You’re much more clueless than he is.
Throw the ball, score points.
by iodrew on Nov 27, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The reason his post is green,
is that everyone agrees that you are more clueless. Just saying.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
Interception thrown off his backfoot back pedaling
so it was all arm = bad decision.
Waiting for Relevancy...
yeah, sure
but i’d like to see Gabbert be more proactive about throwing the ball away instead of taking sack after sack. Its strange, it seems like he panics when he drops back and his first option is unavailable.
with our offense
i daresay that would be a better result than taking the sack. If we take a negative play, we’re punting. I’d like to see him drop back and go through the progressions and take the checkdowns if the downfield routes arent there. He has been more or less able to hit those checkdown throws when they’re the first options, but not deeper into the progressions.
Intentional Grounding
You can’t throw the ball away when in the pocket or you get a 15 yard penalty with a loss of downs.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Then what are you talking about when you said you want him to throw the ball away?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
I just mean to get the ball out: take a shot, throw it at the receiver’s feet, low and away, out of bounds over their head. Look- if you’ve got to take a sack, then take it. But refs give quarterbacks a good bit of slack with grounding calls. Heck, if the routes arent there, just take off and run. Although the last game against the Texans seems to have disabused him of that desire…
I said this to someone else.. can't remember who
but if you throw it to receivers that are blanketed because they can’t get any separation that turns into turnovers. The pocket was collapsing on him all day, he ran when he could but most of the time there were no lanes to run in.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
in college,
he was coached to take the sack rather than throw INTs
could be a reason why he doesn’t throw the ball away as often as he should.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
I hope you guys figure it out
By week 16. Here’s to hoping you beat the BESFs (titans [again]).
by CJ3m on Nov 27, 2011 6:21 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Hopefully they will have the O-line struggles figured out by then
and give the QB a chance to do something.. Good luck to you guys
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing as how we don’t play each other this season I sincerely wish you guys the best of luck getting your team together. Houston and the Glitter Kitties have had some real tough competition against each other. I remember seeing our stats against each other last year and there were almost dead even, but now we’re two up! You guys have some catching up to do. Just don’t do it on a hail merry pass again, those sting and hurt for a while. Lol.
by CJ3m on Nov 27, 2011 10:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
on a lighter note
We definitely need help on the offense. Gabbert will improve. He needs to relax and take it easy fo a day or two. He is getting better (not much, but still better) with accuracy. We might have won if Lewis didn’t drop that pass in the endzone. We should mix up our run plays a little bit. We have MJD, Montell Owens, Deji Karim, and Bolen. Mix it up a bit. We need to pick up the run game. That can be a short-term remedy for us not being able to get anything going on offense. Who do we play next week?
no idea watchin the game right now tho between them and denver
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Horrible, they just lost to the Denver Tebows
and all they do is run so its kinda hard to judge their pass D
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
The WRs suck but I will ignore the correlation between getting open and a QB holding on to the ball.
YOU PEOPLE ARE FLAT OUT STUPID.
BLAINE SUCKS WAHHHH WAHHH! THE WRs DROP BALLS, THEY DON’T GET OPEN. BLAINE HOLDS ONTO THE BALL! BUT THESE THINGS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHER. I AM DUMB.
No its not. I am a Gabbert fan. We should invest a little time and money into Gabbert and our defense.
by Hurricane8765 on Nov 27, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
HE was using sarcasm :)
sa’ll good though
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
And it only took an unbelievable trade and 12 years for each to win a Super Bowl
I highly doubt someone will give us their entire draft for MoJo and I highly doubt Gabbert will be around 12 years even if this team turns into Super Bowl contenders in year 4.
2 unbelieveable trades
Elway for Hinton and Herrmann and the trickle down from the Herschel Walker trade
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You sure he isn't?
I mean, the numbers say so and you the numbers tell the story.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Just like wins and losses do right?
Gabbert’s stats tell me he takes a lot of sacks, doesn’t get to throw the ball deep, he’s horrible in the red zone, and he might have the worst WRs TEs in the NFL.
Funny thing is, if Gabbert were winning we wouldn’t be discussing any of this at length
He's horrible in the redzone?
It’s hard to take you seriously with statements like that.
I thought Gabbert made a bad TD throw to Thomas last week. Turns out, I was wrong. You seem to be missing a lot more than I am.
Throw the ball, score points.
His TE alone has dropped 3 TDs
And had a receiver drop another TD last week
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree
Cam Newton and the Panthers have the same record as the Jaguars. If Cam had a defense worth a damn, such as the Jags defense, he’d be getting serious MVP consideration.
Tim Tebow is awful but the Broncs are what, 5-1 since he took over? Never mind that his 5 wins came when the defense allowed less than 20 points.
Hell, I made the point last week, but the luck we had last year is not happening this season.
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I was being sarcastic with the numbers comment
But I agree, the luck we got last year hasn’t happen this year.
And Tebow is awful, the Bronocos are 5-1 since he told over but they are having to play near perfect on defense and have the other teams’ defense not stay discipline, the one thing that you can’t do against the option. Thats not a recipe to win long term.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Of course. He doesn't get open either.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 27, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
Because I have a dislike for our owner who I think makes poor football staff hiring decisions
or
Because I don’t think Mr. Weaver will actually fire Jack Del Rio
or
Because I don’t think Blaine Gabbert has played well or shown improvement this season?
Because you fail to recognize cause and effect
Who does Blaine have on this team to throw to? His most reliable target is Jarrett Dillard, the one WR who can catch with his hands.
How many times have we seen no one get open on a play, while Guy Whiffer Whiffs a block?
How many drops in the endzone have we seen by Lewis and the WRs?
Exactly, you are a moron.
Then it goes to my point
That if it’s not all on Blaine then it’s on the coaching staff AND the scouting department who said that our O-Line and WR corps was fine this year.
Which goes back to the person who hired these obviously incompetent people.
Why did Lewis and Thomas play better with Garrard and McCown under center? What’s the difference in the way they throw that Gabbert is unable to do this year?
It doesnt matter how the ball is thrown. If it hits your hands you catch it.
I do blame the personnel and I do blame the coaching. What I dont do is blame the youngest player on the team who is supposed to make mistakes.
Blaine can't see his targets when he's bailing out of the pocket
with his damn head down looking for somewhere to fall…. One thing i dont want is a scary, soft, QB!
Rookie? I dont care! The guy looks scared.
Houston's#1JagsFan
That was one play, after
getting sacked like 6 times, 20 hurries, and knocked down like 15 times. He got discouraged.
Throw the ball, score points.
It obvious that Gabbert is struggling right now.
You seem to forget that the plan was never for him to start this season. He wasnt ready and the team openly admitted that before the start. They threw him in and now we are watching a young guy with a lot of talent but little real experience making lots of mistakes. Where would this team be if we had caught have of the drops these WRs have missed on? You wanna say that Blaine sucks but that shows me that you know dick about evaluating football players. Its cool though you just keep using stats as your determination for whos good and whos bad in this league. Dont take into account the poor play of the O line and the WRs or the bad coaching. Its all Gabberts fault.
we are so screwed
10k tickets left for a monday night game against the bottom feeders of the afc west
2nd year season ticket holder
I didn’t want to attend the game today but I forced myself down to the stadium…..not really looking forward to the MNF game either….or any other games this year(JDR!)…..looking back on the season, I think Gabbert got pushed before he was ready……he has looked bad but maybe we were expecting too much he needs A LOT of grooming.
by orecic76 on Nov 27, 2011 10:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's sad
you didn’t want to go to today’s game and aren’t looking forward to MNF?
I’d love to get that atmosphere
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WTF why didnt the jags get tebow, you know how many fans he'd of brought to the stadium, Fire weaver/fire JDR fire everyone
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by Hurricane8765 on Nov 27, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
I did want Tebow. We should just take what we get. We’re not going to the Playoffs, that’s for sure. But we can get a win next week and against the Cults. That gives us 5 wins. Getting the running game going strong in the next games could make us feared by teams trying to get to the playoffs. we can still kick someone out of’em.
Was anybody ever in chat rooms I'm AOL where you could "Ignore" other people in the room
and you’d never see what they wrote?
Is there a way to do that here?
Section 442, RIP
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by unhipcat on Nov 27, 2011 11:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In Gene we trust
Think about how sick and tired those Denver fans must be when ever they turn on their television sets the national pundit can’t go ten minutes on any pro football show with out mentioning their sorry quarterback. National radio and even high traffic non sports websites talk about him. What team needs or wants that kind of attention?
Next Year
Next year when Gabbert has Dwayne Bowe and Marvin McNutt to throw to…….. It’s AFC Title time !!! BOTTOM LINE SON !!!
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