Buccaneers Vs. Jaguars Final: Everything finally goes right for Jaguars in 41-14 win
by Adam Stites on Dec 11, 2011 4:43 PM EST
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PrintToday might've been the first time since the Monday Night Football game against the Ravens that I didn't hate football. After falling behind early 14-0 in the first quarter with ugly displays by both the offense and defense, absolutely everything went the Jaguars way from then on. Prior to today's game against Tampa Bay, the Jaguars had never scored 21 points or more, yet doubled that with 41.
The Jaguars forced seven turnovers including a pair of fumble recoveries by Colin Cloherty and Nate Collins that both resulted in touchdowns. Offensively, the Jaguars were led as always by Maurice Jones-Drew.
He's really good, guys.
His four touchdowns (two rushing, two receiving) made him the all-time leader in Jaguars franchise history with 73 in his, still young, career. For a bit of perspective, he has 73 touchdowns in 90 games with the Jaguars while Jimmy Smith finished with 69 in 171 games and Fred Taylor had 70 in 138. He is tied for 39th all-time for NFL career rushing touchdowns with O.J. Simpson and Herschel Walker.
Also encouraging today was the improvement showed by Blaine Gabbert. While he made some errors, most notably two interceptions, they were mostly mental errors typical of a rookie. He was strong fundamentally, didn't fall away from pressure and made some very strong throws including one to Marcedes Lewis down the middle of the field that resulted in a 62 yard gain.
While the game means little for the Jaguars in 2011, it was an incredibly encouraging game for the future of the Jaguars and exactly what Gabbert and even the Jaguars fans needed.
On the downside, Russell Allen's kicking career may have ended today. Dreams crushed.
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MJD is leading the league in rushing
1222 with 50 yards ahead of LeSean McCoy.
What a game!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Dec 11, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions
not be a super pessimistic,
but do realize that a lot of these points came from turnovers and plays made by the defense. I still see MUCH to be desired offensively
but the key is we took advantage of those turnovers
We got TDs vice field goals.
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Some people
Are never happy. Our highest paid receiver was out most of the game, btw. It would have been 48-14 if not for a bad pass, and Gabbert broke 200 yards.
Common man.
no shit, a win's a win
I could give a rats ass about style points. The kid had some moments today where he was dealing, and a lot of moments where the drives were stalled due to offensive line holds.
Also, bear in mind this is the first full week he’s worked with Koetter exclusively. There was a lot less skittishness today and he he extended a drive by staying in there and taking a helmet to the chops.
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That was cool. He took the hit and threw a nice pass.
I daresay the kid is learning. Im optimistic.
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I am ecstatic
but I am also a realistic individual who is not going get super excited when I see aspects of this team that are still greatly lacking.
I recall feeling similalry after week 1, when I was very unimpressed with McCown. I shared my thoughts and got similar feedback, but lo and behold I was right in reserving my great amounts of joy and happiness, becuase in fact McCown went out and looked awful the next week.
This team has a short week and a matchup with Atlanta to look at this coming Thursday. An offense still as stagnant as this one, and there will be a lot of anger come friday morning on this site.
Way to call the McGowan meltdown
2 months later
by JohnnyBiceps on Dec 11, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
if you want to go back and look at my comments after week 1
you would see I was far from impressed and was worried about him as the starting QB going forth.
I hear you about not getting crazy abouyt 1 win, BUUUUUT...
-McCown is not a starting caliber NFL QB. The Browns knew it, the Buccaneers knew it, and people who watch football knew it. He was a 3rd round pick who never panned out as a starter. To compare him to a #10 pick overall who excelled at Mizzou is crazy. Gabbert has physical skills and an arm that McCown doesn’t possess. Thedre is good reason to get excited about Gabbert improving – becasue sky’s the limit with a young man of his talents.
- We shouldnt be angry if we lose Thursday night. The Falcons were picked by some (Peter King) to win the Super Bowl, and we have 4 wins. Its a short week, its a home game for the Falcons, we have 22 guys on IR and an interim HC. They should kill us. I hope we win, but I won’t be angry if we lose…we should lose.
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this game shows that Gabbert is improving
to all of you that doubted him in the past, you guys didnt know much about football. something i saw from him today is he hung in the pocket even after it collapsed. he didnt fall backward. along with that, he had pretty good footwork. i had a feeling that he would spark sometime this season, just had to wait!!!
dude come on..
…he played one of the worst defenses in the league. All QB’s looked fantastic against us last season.
I think a lot has to do
with the fact that he’s actually been coached these past two weeks. After looking scared, I bet he got told to nut-up or shut-up.
by jagzfan4life on Dec 11, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think we could all agree
that a more balanced offensive attack is in need if we want to beat the mid-tier teams on a consistant basis. Run MJD right, run MJD left, then screen to MJD on 3rd down seems to be the offensive pattern we are on right now. More disciplined defenses will eat our lunch if those are our only go-to plays.
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by 78hustla Jag on Dec 12, 2011 4:13 AM EST up reply actions
I was soooo pissed off after the
first quarter then all of a sudden, the ball bounced our way. That pass to Marcedes was a thing of beauty. I am getting excited for next year’s team. If we can get play like that from Dillard, West, Lewis, MJD and getting Jennings and Miller back next year. We may not be so far away. The defense played great in places as well. 41 points???? The only negative is that Scobee may be hurt. IR anyone?
I didnt even realize Scobee was out...
well, that explains the 2 point conversion. Me and the guy next to me were like: “damn, Tucker is cut throat, going for 2”…
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Yea, I diddn't realize Scobee hurt himself, either
and I was at the game. Just thought we were practicing our 2pt conversion package when we went for 2 late in the game; and thought we attempted an onside kick when Allen kicked that duck of a kickoff. It was funny seeing the team chide him after that ugly boot, lol.
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by 78hustla Jag on Dec 12, 2011 4:18 AM EST up reply actions
Fickle Fans get schooled
Gabbert has been steadily improving each week. You don’t need a highlight reel to see it. Today he made good throws, good decisions, and the line and receiver caught the damn ball.
Get off your high horse
He hasn’t been improving week to week. In fact, he looked to be regressing over the past two weeks.
He played well today and for that I’m thankful.
No
Against Houston (twice), Baltimore and Pitt he regressed. Those are 3 top defenses, one of the 4 games he actually won.
In the last four games (including one of those against houston, he has gained 758 yards with 4 TDs and 4 picks.
In the four before that, he got 417 yards with 3 tds and 3 picks.
In the four before that, he got 608 with 3 tds and 2 pics.
If he’s guilty of any regression, it was in the middle of the season against the top defense twice, and the number 2 and number 3 defense.
What were YOU using to make your judgement?
A fine argument
He looked like crap against San Diego, sans 2nd quarter. He looked awful against Houston.
I used my eyes and saw a quarterback cringing before he got hit throughout most of those games. I saw a quarterback who’s mechanics was falling to pieces. I think you saw that too, but you looked up some stats to feel intelligent. Thanks for the stats though.
I saw a QB cringing because he was stepping up into a pocket and no one was coming open
In that Texans game. I also saw where before he could even step into a throw he was getting killed. The difference today is that the line was blocking well and the WR/TE caught balls. Gabbert was also throwing better.
Did you see
That big-boy TD pass to Shorts (the guy everyone credits as mr. invisible). Did you see the hit he took right before he came out of the home Houston game? He got right back up and limped off. Did you see that crisp pass to Marcedes today? What about the dropped TD pass in the browns game to Jason Hill, among drops in the Cleveland game?
Coincidentally, in every game that you mentioned he found MJD for multiple receptions. He has also since the first Houston game been doing a better job of finding the check-downs. Both were things that coming out of the Houston game were big question marks around here.
He has also since been getting into a rhythm with mercedes. Mercedes still drops things. Gabberts still gaffes things.
His ability to stand in the face of the rush and deliver the ball is the talk of the town today, so it appears as though he’s starting to make strides there, as well.
If his mechanics has to wait until the offseason to see a big improvement, I’d call that fair.
Too many people are using the “eye-test” that don’t really know what to look for. Anyone can see a guy throw an inaccurate pass and be like “that was bad.”
He played well today, I’m not denying that.
We simply see the earlier games this season differently. I’m not going to get into his earlier struggles because it’s lame. Honestly, he won today and I am happy about it.
You may have seen earlier progress, but for me, it was today that progress was made. He played like a different QB then what we’ve seen all year.
Read this after i responded to your other comment, lol
You’re right, we see it differently and this is getting old. Lets compromise with he played much better today, and leave it at that. It’s a win and I feel silly for arguing.
notice how the light came on after Thomas went out?
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I was thinking the exact same thing
Wonder why that is?
Dude...totally.
PS-Jarret Dillard is good. Feed him the rock. Also, good to see Marcedes getting open deep and hauking in that beautiful pass. Loving it.
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LOL...true.
he does seem to catch the ball when it comes his way. He is a decent WR to have on the roster, IMHO.
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One day I'll figure out
Why some people keep saying Thomas is a Wes Welker type. Wes Welker completes routes – every time. Thomas and Shorts both being out changed the game. Gabbert knew where the receivers should be for a change.
Shorts?
Shorts has barely been in all year. I think Osgood had more snaps today than Shorts has had all year.
With Thomas out...
…they may have put Shorts in. Thomas was my main point.
In that case
I agree…I like Thomas but you can’t argue the facts, lol
Did anybody else notice...
the huge amout of snaps Osgood had Sunday? And he wasan’t in only on obvious screen/run downs, either. He dropped a GREAT pass from Gabbert right in front of me (around the 15 yard line) that may have been 6 if he had caught it. Through it all, he stayed on the field for special teams and battled double teams on every Buc punt return.
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by 78hustla Jag on Dec 12, 2011 4:23 AM EST up reply actions
He was so out of his mind with the Steve Smith comp
M80 is a solid slot WR when he has a deep threat paired with him, Steve Smith can play out wide and fight for the ball….Totally different players
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
most people thought he was good because he made plays
and put up pretty good numbers his first two years; whatever the reason may have been.
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That’s the thing… he didn’t really put up good numbers. He wasn’t really a play maker.
He was hyped to be, so a lot of people think he is. He’s just a guy.
not good numbers compared to say the leagues best
but on a Jags team that had suffered through the likes of having Jones, Wilford, and Williams as its top receiving threats for several seasons. For him to come in and catch 50+ balls and a couple of TD’s in his first two seasons you can understand why maybe fans got overzealous about the guy.
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I wasn't trying to argue that he did
I’m saying there were other influences aside from Vic, that caused him to be overhyped. Plus he did have 114 catches and roughly 1300 yds combined in his first two seasons. Those are actually pretty good numbers especially considering we are a run-first team. And I think he’s more then just a guy, he’s having a down year but I think he’ll bounce back next year.
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by duuuvaaalll on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
I'm going to hold off on a final critique for Thomas til we get a true #1
That being said, the extension was another in a line of classic Wayne Weaver benevolence. Did not need to be done at the time. I’m starting to think he might be best used as a return man and at best #2 but most likely #3.
Thomas has made some wow plays this year. I doubt he or Shorts plays Thursday night.
Lewis, yes. He’s slumping (most of the season) but it’s correctable.
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I can't stand it when..
guys perform great in contract years, and after they get a payday, somehow their play tails off for whatever reason…don’t want to think of the reasons too much, it may make me angrier. Just something to think about.
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by 78hustla Jag on Dec 12, 2011 4:26 AM EST up reply actions
Bc M80 is in the HOF, tweets about getting high, and got paid
As far as I am concerned gene should dump his ass and get someone who gives a crap anymore
by Slawsc on Dec 11, 2011 10:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
O.J. Simpson and Herschel Walker are only 39th in rushing TDs?
I figured they would be higher.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Dec 11, 2011 4:57 PM EST reply actions
OJ was on a lot of awful teams in Buffalo
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all running backs back in the day didn't get many tds.
In Oj’s 2000 yard season he had only 12 tds
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by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 11, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
to add
1000 yards was a HUGE accomplishment .
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And fullbacks got goaline carries back then.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 11, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
how bout that run by Harris today?
Me thinks Deji Karim is not long for the Jags. I’d hardly call him a bust, he just is what he is, a guy who prospered in college, but the pro game is way too fast for him. He’d be a great addition to the Sharks.
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prospered at (insert really random directional FCS school here) that is.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 11, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Troy is no bigger than NIU
IN fact, they played each other in the R&L Carriers bowl or Silicon Valley Bowl a few years back.
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I was thinking about Karim
I think he went to Southern Illinois.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 11, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
you are correct.
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Deji 2.0
Faster, sharper. Improved. Not to jump the gun, but I think he should be someone to get a little excited about. His hips changed directions so effortlessly on that play.
prospered at (insert really random directional FCS school here) that is.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 11, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
damnit
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by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 11, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
That run was very nice.
he scampered to the openings quickly, and stayed north/south. Also, kept his balance after some contact.
So long, Deji.
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what I noticed too and I hope Lageman touches on it
his vision on that play. He was looking constantly looking at the levels of defenders and not trying to create sugar out of shit.
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I dont know if I'm sold on Harris after 1 run...
but it was a pretty nice looking run.
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if you look at his college highlights he seems that has vision and looks to get up field quickly and constantly….would love to see more carries from him even though I realize MJD is chasing a rushing title.
There's probably nobody on an NFL Roster
that doesn’t look great in the college highlights. That’s why they’re called highlights.
Harris looked good Sunday
Hope he can keep it up, stay healthy, and be productive while MJD gets a few plays off to rest.
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by 78hustla Jag on Dec 12, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno, but I'd love to see it end with the Jags putting the Colts to 0-16
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Hey Johnny
every win we pickup now actually worsens our draft status in next year’s draft. That being said, we probaly will win our way right out of selecting our top 10 WR we need.
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by 78hustla Jag on Dec 12, 2011 4:32 AM EST up reply actions
we're not out of the running for a top 10 receiver
The team needs positive momentum on the field going forward.
I think we’re going to really go after Bowe, V. Jackson or Stevie Johnson, maybe 2 of them.
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Please, Bowe
I’ve already discussed this in the post I wrote last week, but, I think he’s the best fit, most likely to be available and the only one that’s gonna give us what we pay for.
I doubt we’ll go after Johnson out of all of them.
To follow up,
Bowe and one of those guys that should be available at the top of the second round. Bowe, (d.jones, sanu, etc.), Thomas/Dilliard as the top three. Night and day change in WR depth.
Because picking a few slots earlier is a guaranteed successful draft
I understand how draft slotting works, I’d just rather see some things that got me hopeful for next year than get all worked up over a college player we may or may not get. The draft isn’t the only place to find players, btw – regardless of what a certain former senior editor might say.
It shocks me that Jag fans have such a hard time understanding this, especially given the turn around of the defense this year. The new “face” of our defense played his ball in upstate New York last year. Sometimes I think Vic did more to set the fan base back by preaching his dogma so consistently, it’s like Jag fans have been brainwashed.
by JohnnyBiceps on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Exhibit A is defense
I think Vic cobbled together everything he learned about the Chuck Noll Steeler way and rationalized in his mind that that was the only way to build a team as it was also reminiscent of how Coughlin built it, and he could not put his finger on how Shack was trying to build the Jags.
Prisco said something the other day about how the Jags were that big menacing team off the bus and that it seemed to break down at the end of the year. I think he’s on to something.
Can you remember the last time the Jags won a game in December?
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I agree with a lot of this
Everyone acts like Gene used a gameshark to make us so good on defense. Our success rate in the Free Agency has been just as important to us, if not more important, than the draft. I think what we’ve learned is that Gene likes to draft lineman, probably because it’s hard to find good lineman in their prime at the right price, and he’s unafraid to go after and pay the guys that he thinks are good values. Perhaps we should change it from BAP to BAV in all draft/FA acquisitions.
Exactly
Player acquisition is like investing in currency. So often it’s a crap shoot…no matter how good your information. it’s the epitome of past performance is no guarantee of future result…simply too many variables. The idea of using free agency merely as a stop gap while your players (hopefully) develop misses the mark because you are not maximizing all of the resources you have available to you. And if those players don’t develop the way you hoped they would, then you have a roster of stop gap, base hit journeymen and middle tier jars on the shelf that may never get off the shelf. That’s silly. Unless your the Cleveland Indians you’re not likely to win with a bunch of has-beens and some never-will-bes
by JohnnyBiceps on Dec 12, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Today's game made me feel not so dead inside
seeing more than just a “flash” of Gabbert. Today we saw more than a flash (so tired of that word) we saw a solid second quarter and half. When was the last time we scored 40+ pts?! Yes there is still room for improvement, but today felt great
R.I.P. 2011
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by JaGirl on Dec 11, 2011 5:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He looked really good (except for that ill advised INT in the endzone).
I thought he seemed to have more confidence in the pocket. He wasn’t getting happy feet, and he was keeping his eyes downfield. Good day of learning for him. Even though the season is over, playoffs wise, these are the ways he builds his game.
Great day today.
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I'm ok with the interception...
That’s the mistake that you EXPECT from a rookie… also, HUGE props to Chad Pennington’s calling of the game. He actually gave Gabbert his dues and defended him.
by jagzfan4life on Dec 11, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Pennigton has quickly became one of my preferred T.V. analysts
You can tell he actually knows what he’s talking about. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start giving him some of the good games next year.
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ane he gets paired with my bot Sam Rosen
as a NY Ranger fan, I just love when I get to hear him calling football
I know they're losing know to NY
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Russel Allen, wha the hell?
Seriously, Nick Harris couldn’t kick? Or… anybody else on the team? Friggin, Nnakaumgna Suh tried to kick a field goal for the Lions, and Chad Ochoblinko got a punt down inside the ten for the Bungles.
His leg must have been sore
From that fumble he got
NOT EVERYTHING WAS WENT RIGHT
I loved the win and I love the way our JAGS don’t quit …….we got half the roster on I R yet we battle till the end …. Montell Owens was a beast today and he and MJD take the game ball for sure ……. I will say this , not all went right today …… Blaine " Sunshine " Gabbert isn’t really improving much , he had bad easy throws and redone picks are the last thing you should do ….I hope he really does improve because if not then it’s another bust in the long line of former jag busts for us !!!
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Dude really....
Get your head out of the Clouds and get some air, your brain is deprived, Gabbert didn’t look better or improved are you serious. He looked much improved over what we have come used to seeing from him….“throwing off his back foot, shying away from contact.” Today was the exact oppisite, he stepped into his throws, and moved only when absolutely needed to to extend the play. That right there shows progress.
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get out of here with that crap
he played well and the receivers stepped it up.
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I thought Osgood played well.
Except for that drop when he drew the flag for defenseless reciever.
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That defenseless reciever call on Osgood
was crap, but I will take it because it got us closer to the goal line :0 If Osgood would catch the darn ball (hit him in both hands) he would be a celebrating reciever instead of a defenseless one.
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by 78hustla Jag on Dec 12, 2011 4:36 AM EST up reply actions
That is exactly why he doesn't get more snaps at WR
he can’t consistently catch the ball. The coaches see him in practice, they know what he is, yet people still clamor for him to get more reps. As if we need another receiver who drops the ball.
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by duuuvaaalll on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
read above for
both statistical and in-game reasons why he’s improving. Both were touched.
Blaine did improve today
He actually stayed in the pocket and took hits. Yes he made a few poor throws i.e. the 2 INTs but his pocket presence was a lot better. Thats improvement considering at the beginning of the season he was scared of the wind blows towards him. Im not a huge Gabbert fan, and think that if Jags have the opportunity to draft Barkley and or RG3 we should seriously consider it. But as a fan who is still questioning Gabbert, he really did improve his presence today which is always a good thing.
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I thought Gabbert looked his best all season today
Now, a 72.4 QB rating is not going to set the world on fire. However, he was not hearing the footsteps today like he has most of the season. He stuck some very nice throws and of course, a day without Jag WRs dropping a couple of passes is like a day without sunshine. Hopefully this sparks more outings like this and continue to build and improve.
He looked a hell of a lot better today then he has before...
he played confident today I thought, I am impressed with todays performance. If we could get one or two more similar performances before the year ends I would be ecstatic.
Because hes better looking then them, and their insecure about them selfs....haha...
j/k but seriously, its who knows…some people are just stubborn in their ways.
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They'd rather be "right all along"
About some assumption they read before the draft or a couple bad passes they saw then look foolish cheering for a guy who’s been struggling, yet improving.
It’s like those people who say “Ron Paul can’t get elected!” and don’t even know he’s been top 3 on the straw poll all year, has been as high as second in the polls (depending one which polls you’re looking at) and had more applause at last night’s debate than the other 5. They just regurgitate their fox news (ESPN) and presume it’s right.
Wait...
You want to see good football AND fans pleased by good football? Get out of here with that crap. This is Jacksonville where haters are gonna hate. haha just kidding… But seriously.
by Adam Bealyer on Dec 11, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I had two jokers sitting behind me bitching about Koetter...
even in the 4th quarter. Enjoy the victory, for crying out loud.
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Had some crazy chick yelling obsenities last week
In the middle of section 409. Every single incompletion was an f-bomb. She was embarassing me, killed the fun of everyone in my section and I was glad I didn’t bring my daughter.
What is happening to our culture? Is this just a really sad manifestation of americans as a whole?
#disgust
I understand
But don’t give up on humanity. Some day optimism and happiness will make a comeback. I’m in college at FSU right now and a kid from Jacksonville told me “the Jaguars should just go pack up and move to LA.” I was embarassed just to be engaged in conversation with him.
by Adam Bealyer on Dec 11, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
You probably mistake
Criticism with self-righteousness. Does it make you feel better to talk about how much he sucks, or are your expectations too high? Maybe you just mistake criticism for a temper-tantrum. How many times did you yell at your TV today in the second half?
A temper-tantrum?
It doesn’t make me feel better to talk ill about him. He’s played a timid brand of football that doesn’t appeal to me. I’ve rooted for David Garrard for the past 4 years, how could my expectations be high?
Self-Righteousness? He’s paid to play a professional sport. Do I claim to be a better quarterback?
I rooted for Garrard too
He was as tough for us as they come.
What I see is a kid who has a tone of potential and is improving. We really wont know how much his little improvements over the year matter until a couple games into next season when we have seen how he can progress when it counts.
He’s got all the tools and he understands football. He’s almost too aware and overthinks a lot of situations…hence the happy feet and freak out mode he’s had this season when the rush is in his face. Some of these bad habits are improving. Not at a night and day rate…but it’s happening.
If he can mature, settle down and learn how to use his tools to get accurate, he has the potential to be great. Since this whole fanbase has PTSD to bad drafting, I think we’re over analyzing things to the point of forgetting the simplest part: he’s a record breakingly young quarterback whose been subject to bad coaching, bad timing, poor preparation and a bad supporting cast.
Can’t we wait till he’s been given a fair chance? Have you ever been in a position at a new job where you could be, and are willing to put the work in to be a great employee but the person training you sucked? If not, then ask a couple guys you know in the military…you get trained by a lot of people on the way through and ya get a real good look at how important good training can be.
Why do we have to start throwing the tomatoes this year? Rhett and tiquanunderwear are teenagers and show more patience and willingness to wait and see how he develops than half the guys on here. I just don’t get it. And I don’t mean to just target you here, but I mean this for all the guys expressing all the hate. Why is it so damn important that he’s special right now? Why can’t we save the Gabbert sucks chants for when its an appropriate time to start thinking about replacing him? Why be so pissed off now?
Wouldn’t it be a better idea to relax? If you got any good jokes about how bad he is I might think their funny, but if you’re gonna bash the kid before we know what he’s made of I think it’s a pretty big reflection of your personality.
We both want the same thing
We both want him to be great and be the franchise for the future.
My four years in the military exposed me to all the terrible training in which you speak of.
I dig your passion man. I’ll make sure to put my tomatoes away in lieu of a more appropriate date ;)
In that case
If the time comes to throw ’em…bring me a box :)
Congratulations guys
I told you that the Bucs coming to town was a reason to cheer up. You guys played better today, and earned that win in every sense. It’s hard to be a Bucs fan with our team playing this badly- but hey, at least we earned a higher draft pick today and another argument for a coaching change this offseason. Good hanging out with you guys this week- take care!
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
I thought it was gonna be a loooong day...
for the Jags when we were sitting at 14-0 Bucs.
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I've said it before
This Bucs team has a talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. But today wasn’t even close- I could barely muster the moral courage to watch the second half after seeing how the game was shaping up. No offense to your offense (heh), but allowing 41 unanswered points to you guys after the struggles you’ve been going through is so inexcusable that I’m surprised Morris hasn’t put his house on the market yet.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 11, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
how much you want to be it comes out that some players got in some trouble out in London and it broke up the locker room
that team does not look like it’s in rhythm and it looks like it’s between Freeman and the receivers.
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No doubt true
But it’s our defense that I’m most disgusted with right now. We need to perform a complete teardown of our linebackers and d-backs. And yeah, Morris was originally our d-backs coach- that says just about everything you need to know.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 11, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
we have 25 guys on IR
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more than 6 for us I am fairly certain
both corners and their replacements for starters.
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Trust me, we're all well aware of how beat up you guys were coming into this game
Not mention losing three starters during the game. And still, we were utterly helpless to stop you. Utterly embarrassing.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 11, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
starters of ours on IR....
2 CB, 1 Out side linebacker, 1 DE, and 2 rotational, , out for the game….“starter” 1 NT, 1 FS. and im prob forgeting someone.
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
--George Patton--
I saw a depressing statistic
I am older than Raheem Morris
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Chances are, you're also more qualified to be a head coach
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 11, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats to Gabbert/ MoJo
ive had a lot of confindence in Gabbert since the beginning of the season, it just took some time to adjust to the NFL. the thing i noticed was when Mike Sheppard was the QB Coach, we didnt have a multiple TD game. when Dirk Koetter became QB Coach, we have had 2. as for MoJo, this is another average game for MoJo. what i have noticed with MoJo is he is getting more receptions/ receiving yards when Gabbert is the QB, so i think MoJo will have a better career if Gabbert is in.
So, i made this dicking around with photoshop..... I think it looks cool
full size
original picture from the AP
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by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 11, 2011 7:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
all more dramatic or something.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 11, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
you made this with your dick?
impressive…
by CheapSeat on Dec 11, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its a win, and not even an ugly one
I’ll take it. All phases looked improved with the “talent” that we are having to work with due to injury. If someone told me we were going to ABSOLUTELY Destroy Tampa Bay with an ending score of 41-14, i would have laughed and Never believed them, I would have had a hard time just believing that they even won
by Jags85 on Dec 11, 2011 7:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You must’ve wanted Andy Dalton
Gabbert is going to be better than Dalton
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ridiculous.
You know, last year, Garrard made me so frustrated – like, every other week. And still, every new Sunday, I was rooting for him.
You’re just one of the many disillusioned fans. I’m getting to the point where I want Gabbert to succeed only so that next year all his naysayers look stupid.
Throw the ball, score points.
nce again, you come in here with more of your abject stupidity
Of course if the Jags lose and Blaine plays badly he’ll get ripped whether he deserves a lion’s share of the blame. That’s how fans react.
Look, the team scored 41 points today. If this happened 2 months ago, I don’t know how it would have turned out because we would have likely been in a field goal battle.
Are we as fans not allowed to enjoy one of a very few highlights in a disappointing season?
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Another sad day
for some fans. Gabbert obviously didn’t look like Joe Montana out there.
Im about to watch the game. Just by reading some comments here and looking at Gabbert’s numbers, I know he continues to be aware of his flaws and is working to correct them. Same old crap here though. Some people have no idea what they’re watching. If everyone’s not playing perfectly (like Gabbert) it means they suck, bottom line. Gabbert has improved every week. In his worst games, he has still learned from his mistakes.
Throw the ball, score points.
He was stepping into his throws today
Looked a lot better
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I figured,
by reading some of the trusted comments here.
I’m going to go watch it now – thanks.
Throw the ball, score points.
He had a couple "shy away" throws
A notable one on a screen to West that could’ve been big, but I think his confidence will be high on Thursday
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he did, and I cringed on every "shy away" toss..
hoping it wouldn’t become a common thing he would revert to this game.
"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte
by 78hustla Jag on Dec 12, 2011 4:47 AM EST up reply actions
The deep pass play to Lewis was one that really got me excited
not because it was a long play downfield, but because Gabbert did what all the greats do. He kept his eyes downfield and just shuffled slightly in the pocket to make the throw. Early in the season he would have gotten freaked by the guys flying around him and probably gotten sacked.
Respect My Authoritah
This is the progress I keep talking about.
Last week, someone mentioned how McCoy took a big hit throwing the ball. It’s called decisiveness. Once Gabbert gets everything down and knows what he wants to do (and the game slows down for him), he might be really good. I can’t wait to go watch – I’m out.
Throw the ball, score points.
That's exactly the key for him
for things slow down for him. After that’s happened nothing will be able to stop him, we will start a reign of dominance never seen before by the likes of the NFL.
MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA (mad scientist laugh)
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I think Gabbert
did try and force it in to Marcedes a few too many times. Especially in the red zones.
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by 78hustla Jag on Dec 12, 2011 4:48 AM EST up reply actions
That was my comment and I was happy to see the way BG played today
Not only stepping up in the Lewis throw there was another play where he got destroyed as soon as he threw it but he made the pass. I saw improvement and courage today. He played like a tough guy today, let’s see it again in a few days
by Slawsc on Dec 11, 2011 10:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In true 2011 Jaguars fashion...we finally win when I want us to lose...smh....killin our draft placement...ugh
"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes
Screw draft placement
That was fun to watch today, finally.
by Jagtastic on Dec 11, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m better with us sliding back a few spots. I don’t want to have to stare Blackmon in the fact at 4 or 5.
Interesting
Is that because of the collective fan vomit the fanbase will have for passing on him or because you think Gene would consider taking him?
I’d liked to have had a shot at Kalil, but today’s win kind of cut us out of that. Time to join the Claiborne wagon.
someone's gonna come out of the blue during the Senior Bowl and vault his way to top 10
And… that’ll be our guy.
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Haha...
We agree on something, finally!
It was a fun enough game that I stopped caring when we got 14 above, though.
I think the spots in the draft....
pale in comparison to the guys that are already on the team feeling much better about themselves and getting better at playing together. To win out would do more for this franchise than any draft pick will next year, in my opinion. I am not saying we will win out, but i think it would help the team a ton.
In other news
After an interception, Tom Brady and his O.C Really got into it after Brady was yelling at and getting after TIQUAN UNDERWOOD for not “going and getting the ball”. Lol, for some reason i Kinda thought that was funny/interesting. Brady kinda has a taste of what Gabbert is going through lol
by Jags85 on Dec 11, 2011 8:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lol you couldn't miss Underwood
Lol with his ridiculous “Pencil Eraser” haircut
by Jags85 on Dec 11, 2011 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who do you think has more job security?
If I was that Coach I’d be dusting off the old resume.
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Making me and my screen name proud <3
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Lol you have the a similar haircut also?
by Jags85 on Dec 11, 2011 8:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Soulja Boy is such a horrific rapper
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Lol I agree
But that was in reference to a comment you had a made a couple weeks about you reenacting Soulja Boy…or something like that
by Jags85 on Dec 11, 2011 9:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder if the Vikings page is screaming how Ponder sucks...
since his coach sat him for Joe Webb today?
I doubt it. Gabbert is still learning, give him time.
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I haven't checked their site out in awhile
but I bet some are clamoring for Joe Webb today, a lot of guys over there were really high on him and his ability to make plays although he never has really gotten the green light to play.
Checked, apparently Ponder was hurt in the 3rd so it wasn't replacement
Webb is an interesting prospect though, not for us now but hes fairly entertaining to watch.
He was not injured.
He fumbled 3 times and threw a pick…that’s why Webb came in.
He’s a sixth rounder from UAB, I dont know who is saying he has ability to make plays…I don’t really watch Minnesota though.
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he was questionable coming in to today's game
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Today was fun
good showing today by Gabbert and I thought the defense played with a chip on their shoulder, super aggressive. Big time props to our guys for not packing it in and working to get better, I hope to see one or two more solid to great performances like today before the season is over.
Great game!
I thought Gabbert looked great today. I have no problem with the int’s. He was much improved in the pocket. He didn’t let fear ruin his mechanics. I think Koetter must be helping him. Now, just get him a helmet that fits so that he can see and teach him to stand up tall to take advantage of his height.
I am liking Mel Tucker on the sideline. He reminds me of Cowher with that mean furrowed brow and his enthusiasm that has been missing in Jax for so long. It was great to see the team is behind him as well.
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
I think the light came on for Gabbert
and our offense in the 2nd quarter. Funny thing is, as the weather got progressively worse, we played progressively better. Forget jungle cats, we were mud cats Sunday!
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by 78hustla Jag on Dec 12, 2011 4:52 AM EST up reply actions
happened in Carolina too.
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am I banned?
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guess not
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I know. That was not really in the Christmas spirit, was it?
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good to see you're expanding your vocabulary and using fewer 4 letter words
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by Joe Fisher on Dec 11, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been pretty consistent on my view of the team this year
Would you like me to post my thoughts of this team?
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Gabbert overall played his best game
yes he was helped out by a lot of turnovers, some great special teams play and MJD, but he made more big boy throws and stepped up quite a bit today. Whatever your views, at least give them that. Plus, the team played its second best game of a disappointing season.
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all I said was "wait until thursday"
and you go off on some stupidity tanget. like i said, if you don’t like what i post, move on. “wait until thursday” is really that big of a deal?
I turn it to you.
it seems you’re famously thin skinned when someone has the audacity to dispute your wisdom
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but that is such a _____ statement
Of course the critics will come out in full force if we get blown out of the dome. It’s being a fan.
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if it's a _____ statement
then move on. personal attacks aren’t necessary. just because i disagree with your opinion of the team doesn’t call for personal attacks.
the ______ mean fill in the blank
whether it mean trite, crazy, unnecessary, whatever.
And once again of ALL the people here to call me out for personal attacks. I guess that love sonnet that have no less than 15 F bombs was something else?
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I saw that I had visions of this guy..
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You did kind of call him stupid back there
I may have dropped some F bombs too.
Cool out ya’ll, we won today. Go get some poon and chill.
Hahahahaha...
I have no idea, I’m married with a 2 year old. I don’t get any.
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by JPQ! on Dec 11, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Another future green post
very nicely done.
yup.
I’m watching Food Network now for Chrissakes!
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I read this as Married to a 2 year old
I almost cried
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
zing
Funnienst thing I’ve read all day. Barely beat’s tiquan’s picture antics.
because I felt it was stupid
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and you showed some great maturity in the process
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ok dude i'm done with this
If I post something and you don’t like it, move on. If you disagree with something I said, the go ahead and disagree smartly. If you had some kind of magic rebuttle for “what until thursday”, then you should have put that.
Personal attacks for a post like “wait until thursday” are completely unnecessary. It’s an open board, get over it. Not everybody here shares the same view as you. If I wanna post “wait until thursday”, it’s completely my right to do so. No matter what you think about it.
I really don’t care who you think you are, you have no idea who I am. You don’t know anything about me. All you know is you disagree with my posts. But if my posts are legal, carry on don’t throw insults. Opinions are opinions and I’m allowed to have mine just like everyone else is.
Sorry, but you can't keep going to that personal attacks card when you're just as guilty.
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I wouldn't do that
you are always up for a good debate.
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bob and weave bob and weave
you’d make one hell of a politician if you could stay on point.
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I can't. They'd just get deleted
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I literally said that out loud
Then scrolled down and saw this. Nice.
your main point is that you know more than everyh single swingin' d on this site
and if we disagree, we’re met with expletives and “skreet” talk. Save it shippie.
You’re not that smart.
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yes
Shipmate, as I know it, is a term of derision. When the Captain called a swabbie shipmate, the kid knew he was a POS.
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no my main point
is that the thread would be completely different if we played a defense worth anything. there you go putting words in my mouth. who know more than who else?
An argument can be made that our defense is as bad given the injuries
we were very very opportunistic today.
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you're 100% correct oh great one
The thread would be different if we lost, but… this just in… the sky is blue!
Of course there’s more criticism during a loss. And Wins do tend to mask deficiencies… for that week. Comes with the territory. There ARE no style points in the NFL.
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you know i was a nuke...
…10 years submarine duty, now i’m in engineering school.
what happened to you?
I sell airplanes at a mall kiosk
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Disbursing clerk
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???
why?
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Never met a bubblehead I couldn't give and take with
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And as I look at my degrees on the wall, I'll be doing the same
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you're really starting to hurt my feelings.
there I said it.
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I didn't want to commit to 6 years
figured I’d get the same whether I did 3 or 6.
I think it’s more an indictment of you that you were only 10 years from retirement and gave up.
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The Navy is awesome.
They give Marines a ride to where the fighting is.
I’m kidding of course, thank you both for your service.
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shut up!
joking. I get sorta embarrassed when people say that to me. Yes I served, but I was hardly prolific during my time.
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You saved my life
although I wasn’t alive
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
yeah. less hot racking
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he can tell you all about it
Basically on subs, space is at a premium.
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I got out in the mid 90s
so 9/11 wasn’t really in play for me, aside from inactive reserve.
Think about it. 3 years active, 5 years inactive reserve. 10 years sub duty. In the final shakedown, we got out with the same thing benefits wise. Yes you received more schooling, but who cares? I knew I wasn’t going to make the Navy a career. At one point you thought you would thus you re enlisted.
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again
putting words in my mouth. i never thought it was gonna be a career. i finished sea duty and had the opportunity to go back to hawaii and get $10,000 bonus check every year to be on shore duty before I got out. Now I go to school free as icing on the cake.
Icing cost 39 cents
you go to school for 39 cents
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Good for you
but icing cost money
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
being a submariner, I doubt words were the only thing put in your mouth
it was there
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we have a lot of free time
all fun aside for a moment, you hear Mike Smith is at a Charlotte hospital after experiencing chest pains?
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we're all ears...
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got in three fights on my first boat
and word follows you on submarines. so when me and a dude in my division went to the same boat in kb, he was telling stories. i was standing in the chow line and one of the guys came up and said “I heard you was a mouf puncha!” the name stuck for the rest of my career.
how'd you stay off the ships?
most submariners who got into trouble went to the fleet.
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you have to really be dumb to get kicked off subs
i even fought a chief. fighting isn’t exactly frowned upon on subs like it is up top.
Even Denzel didn't get kicked off...
And he committed a mutiny on the USS Alabama!!!
Fidelis Ad Mortem
there must have been a lot of stupid submariners
We had 9 guys come from Kings Bay to our deck division
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it's been fun
Tell you what. I’ll do a better job of being more constructive in replies to posts I may disagree with. If I can’t be constructive, then I will let the train pass.
Deal?
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You guys broke the reply button
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by Adam Stites on Dec 11, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
You didn't need to sign a contract for post 9/11
If you were enlisted after 9/11 you can switch to the ch.33 period. the ch. 30 Montgomery is what I signed up for (with the kicker that somehow got lost along the way), and I am on the post 9/11. Or did you mean you EAS’d before 9/11?
I was the cooler at Cinderella's for a time
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When I met Terry Funk last year, told him he got screwed by the Oscars for his role in Roadhouse
caught him while he was sipping a Diet Coke, he spit it all over the table.
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he's remarkably calm and cool.
Get this. I was at a bar with he and Abdullah the Butcher. Incredible
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me neither
Magnum TA is the first confirmed wrestler. Huge fan of his.
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there's only 2 left
Kevin and Kerry’s daughter.
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serious?
Dude was all sorts of f’ed up. Wrestled without a foot for 5 years, then roided himself out of the WWF. Went home to Denton, Texas took a gun and shot himself in the chest. Long time ago
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He had killer entrance music
Tom Sawyer
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Kings Bay?
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good duty
not engaging in ass kissing here, just give and take
Good duty
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I know. I'm one step ahead of you...
and 4 glasses of egg nog
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not this kind
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good stuff. Think I'll go for #5
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yes.
you don’t know me.
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skreet talk?
or did you mean street talk…or skeet talk?
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 11, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
skeet
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PULL
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and glad to see you're not banned
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huh?
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the point is
you can’t ban anyone on the internet. you can ban a name, or even an ip address or an email addy. but you can never really ban a person.
do i need to break it down even further?
that's an awful lot of trouble to go through to get onto a message board
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I can believe I read this far, but,
you’ve got a lot to learn. And, the things you need to learn transcend TCU. Thinking your all that, because you’re doing all that, is very egotistical. If you stay on this path, karma has humble pie waiting for you somewhere down the road – and it’s not “yummy.”
No one likes a party-pooper. If you’ve got a negative point to make, try starting out by saying something positive, then use some tact.
Throw the ball, score points.
Not nobody
Especially when it was 14-0. Think we can all say we were ready to lose by 41 at that point.
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