Blaine Gabbert's Thursday Night Performance
by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 3:08 AM EST
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PrintI wasn't excited about Blaine Gabbert when he was drafted. I was of the opinion that he wasn't pro ready and that he would need at least a year and probably more than that to be up to snuff. When Garrard was released, we all knew that it wouldn't be long before Gabbert was forced into the starting role. At that point, the season was officially lost.
Because of that, I (as well as many other fans) have spent this season watching for progress from Blaine Gabbert. I have watched every game, and I've been trying to be positive about Gabbert. Still as of right now, I am definitely not a believer. Why? To illustrate what turns me off about Gabbert's play, I'll offer some highlights from the Thursday Night game for your perusal.
1st Quarter, 9:40 remaining: After being sacked on the first offensive play of the game, the Jaguars are in a 3rd and 11. Before Gabbert calls the snap, LDE Ray Edwards jumps into the neutral zone, drawing a flag. Gabbert has a free play, with two receivers to his right running deep patterns. The snap comes at 9:38. Gabbert has time to take his drop and set his feet. Three seconds is what he got, but three seconds is what you get in the NFL.
A smart QB takes a shot downfield in that situation, because even if the pass is intercepted, it's gonna come back. Gabbert has two check down receivers waiting five yards past the line of scrimmage, neither of whom Gabbert apparently sees. Instead, Gabbert sees the pressure, starts running backwards and is dragged down by two guys in red. Smooth.
The very next pass was a deep ball on a 3rd and 6, which lands at the opponent's 40 yard line. The closest player is the Falcons' safety, who was jogging casually at midfield. Announcers call it a "miscommunication."
End of first quarter: Blaine Gabbert, 1-2, -4 yards passing.
2nd Quarter, 0:58 remaining: 1st and ten from the Jaguars' 42 yard line. Gabbert takes a shotgun snap and starts wandering backwards. He looks left and sees nothing open. After three seconds (again, about what you're supposed to have as a QB), he sees the rush and starts scrambling to his right with the ball held loosely in his throwing hand. Gabbert doesn't feel the pressure and cover up the ball. John Abraham, after being fought back behind the pocket by Eugene Monroe, comes from the blind side and punches the ball out easily. The fumble is recovered by the Falcons. This turnover is turned into a field goal by the Falcons, just before halftime.
Halftime: Blaine Gabbert, 3-6, 21 yards passing. Sacked twice, one fumble lost.
3rd Quarter, 13:41 remaining: Gabbert had just fumbled away the ball on the previous series, giving the Falcons points before halftime. After gaining a first down thanks to some strong running by Maurice Jones-Drew, Gabbert has a second and 9 situation. Single back, bunch left, one WR wide right. John Abraham beats Guy Whimper and comes right after Gabbert.
Gabbert sees this one coming, so what does he do? He moves his feet, hoping to avoid the sack and AGAIN holds the ball precariously away from his body in his throwing hand. Needless to say, the ball pops out and is returned for a touchdown by DT Corey Peters.
The next two possessions are three and outs. The team, it should be noted, called three pass plays during those two series. The end result of those three plays is one completion for 1 yard on a checkdown and two more sacks. One could maybe chalk them up to good coverage downfield, but equally at fault is Blaine Gabbert's terrible pocket presence. On the second sack, Guy Whimper kept Kroy Biermann out of the pocket for Gabbert. After Gabbert's first man was covered, Blaine turned out of the pocket to run right. He tries to turn the corner, but runs right into Biermann.
End of the 3rd Quarter: The game is completely out of hand. The score is 41-0 Falcons. Usually when behind, a team throws the ball more to try and score quickly. The Jaguars threw much less. Gabbert is 4-7, 22 yards. He's been sacked four times and lost two fumbles.
4th Quarter: This is all against backups. He threw for another 120 yards to up his stats. He also threw an interception and a touchdown. He looked comfortable in spots against 2nd teamers playing prevent. That's about as inconsequential as anything you'll see in an NFL game.
Final stat line: 12-22 (54.5% completions), 141 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 fumbles lost, a touchdown-aided passer rating of 70.5
I find it beyond concerning and into pitiful that Gabbert performed so badly. When down, a team is expected to pass more to see if they can mount a comeback. Not only did Gabbert take a lot of sacks in those passing situations, he took them on third down. Going through three quarters of a blowout game with only 22 passing yards is pathetic and unacceptable, and I am officially done pretending like Gabbert has anything to offer to this team.
Knowing that he was a raw player, I thought the best I could expect from Gabbert was that he would get his play together after the week 9 bye. It became quickly clear that that did not happen. The offseason will do Gabbert good, but do we seriously think that a guy can go from pathetic to competent in one season?
I know it's sudden, and it sucks to see picks wasted, but there are good quarterbacks available in the upcoming draft. I think at this point it would be irresponsible and stupid not to do due diligence on Robert Griffin III and Matt Barkley, both of whom are viewed as top 5-10 picks.
The Jaguars should get one more win (assuming Gabbert doesn't screw us out of the Colts game) which would put the team at 5 wins and around the 8th overall pick. Sounds like a good spot to take a QB...
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Unfortunately I agree... :-/ I mean, even arguably his best game of the season (last week) included 2 ints and only 200 yds passing. Not even at game manager status (which I thought most QBs could do at the minimum).
I’m all for drafting another QB, but I think we need a WR first. Maybe a QB in the second round? Or maybe we can make some moves and get two first round draft or pick up another second round draft pick somehow?
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We would have to be offering him some good money to get him to come here with a rookie QB we just drafted though...I mean dude's been behind Rogers for a second. You think he's gonna go into a place where he isn't the starter already?
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Tell him he is the starter
It got Osgood here. I think he comes if he knows he has a legitimate shot at being a starter. Judging by Gabbert’s play, he would have that chance.
It’s a pipe dream, sure, but the Jags will have the kind of cash flow to get the deal done if they wanted to.
I just can’t wrap my brain around drafting a QB, but you can’t deny that the QB position is in need of some competition.
Amen (competition.....true competition, not Todd Bouman LOL)
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Good writeup
My concerns about Gabbert all along has been what he does in the pocket. Last night he seemed completely lost as to what to do in the pocket, where to go, how to avoid pressure. I understand he is still a rookie but he hasn’t improved in the pocket at all. He looks as uncomfortable and awkward as he did in his first game. I understand the sacks when he has no time to even try to set his feet but it is unrealistic to expect any Oline to keep defenders away from him for 5 or 6 seconds every pass play. It’s not going to happen in the NFL.
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Im with holding judgement
I think we would be running Joe Montana out of town if he had to play behind that line and with those receivers. Gabbert has looked bad, but I’m willing to wait until next year after he has had a full off season working with the new #1s and hopefully a better line.
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by MadKow on Dec 16, 2011 8:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I say draft another QB. Trade 1st rounders with cleveland so we can draft both a QB and WR in the 1st.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Dec 16, 2011 8:26 AM EST reply actions
I've always been of the consensus that
if you draft a QB high, then you’re stuck with him for a few years. Does it suck? Hell yea. Has Blaine sucked? Hell yea. I just don’t see a team that is high enough on a guy to trade up in the 1st round to get him, not giving him time to grow. One season isn’t enough to see what a guy’s ceiling is.
Now that high 1st rounders' contracts are so much less expensive,
you’re not as stuck. So if your QB sucks, you can replace him without worrying too much about crippling your salary situation for years.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 16, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm neutral
The reality is Gabbert is the future. The team used the tenth overall pick and gave up a second round pick to get so they are not giving up that easy. I am not pleased with Gabbert’s play but the Jags organization set the kid up for failure. His head coach was a defensive guy who was also part of the regime thst ruined Leftwich. His QB coach was a WR coach. The GM is sold on small school players who can be brought in as UFA’s or in the later rounds. Gene Smith also falied to bring a WR in, instead he was sold on Jason Hill. Wayne Weaver was super conservative on spending the teams money and the personnel shows. Not only that, the team has fallen apart to injury. 27 players on IR is crazy, thats got to be a record.
Next season Gabbert will have a full offseason and I hope Khan will spend the money to bring in a great coach.
by Trenton Williams on Dec 16, 2011 8:51 AM EST reply actions
Are you going to write a post every time he has a bad game?
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
by JagsAlex87 on Dec 16, 2011 9:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
So far, twice as many fans have said they'd be OK with drafting a new guy...
I don’t think I really need to hammer the point home. We all know Gabbert has played terribly this year.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So Gabbert has been the only bad player on offense?
Bad receivers and Whimper don’t count?
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by JagsAlex87 on Dec 16, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They don’t account for Gabbert being the worst starting QB in the league, no. Seriously, Tyler Palko is doing better as a starting QB than Gabbert.
A QB with just 50% completions, a 65.6 rating and more turnovers than TDs is not due solely to the players around him. True failure is not born out of the company you keep, at some point, it has to come from within.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Glad you weren't in the Cowboys front office in the late 80s, or Steelers in the early 70s or Broncos early 80s
Hell, Tom Brady would be in the CFL right now if you had anything to do with the Patriots on the mid 90s.
I know what I see after a rookie year.
So, Brian, are the performances this year of Sam Bradford and Josh Freeman exceptions after they had stellar debuts?
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Bradford's is not, IMO.
I actually thought a lot of people overreacted to the year Bradford had last year. Good completion percentage, but yardage and TD numbers were nothing super special.
Anyways, that question is irrelevant, because both players had a time in their careers when the were effective.
Gabbert has not been effective once, not even one game.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
the question is very relevant because your little gimmick is to tell the world how bad Gabbert sucks and you're ready to write his obituary after 1 season
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by Joe Fisher on Dec 16, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's been awful, Joe.
He just has. There’s a certain point where there aren’t enough excuses to explain away what you’re seeing, and we’re there.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 16, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
so give up on him after 1 truncated deck stacked against him year.
my whole point is too many people here, Brian included, want to cut bait after 1 perfect storm of a year. Hell, what if Tucker was the fall guy for the defense last year, and JDR was known to cut assistants to save his hide.
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I'd be fine with that.
Tucker’s not doing anything special; he just got gift-wrapped a new defense.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 16, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like you, MoveThoseChains
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not a fan of vicisms
But players not plays.
Tucker also adjusted his defense to be more simplified to suit our players. Some people may roll their eyes at that, but isn’t the coordinator’s job to highlight the strengths and minimize the weaknesses. For all that talk about Landry and Poz’s coverage skills, they have been exposed very little.
He also helped turn Lowery from an extremely deep CB depth guy into a great starting safety.
He has figured out ways to plug the defensive line all season with injuries.
Losing a starting LB didn’t hurt us too bad, and our 7th and 8th guys at CB aren’t doing nearly as bad as our starting corners (not guys in that gift wrapped package, btw), period, the last few years.
I can’t imagine how you would underrate Tucker. Don’t misunderstand me, it’s players not plays, but under Tucker, our defense believes and makes things happen. We also learned how to turn the ball over and scored on defense for the first time in years.
What makes you think he’s not doing anything special?
Lowery was a utility guy for the Jets, but he played quite a bit of safety. Tucker didn’t turn him into anything.
He's been a great starter for us here
And he wasn’t before.
He hasn’t been “great”. He’s been solid.
He looks great compared to the garbage trotted out last season. Not being a starter previously means nothing. It’s not like Lowery came in here and won a starting job. It was handed to him.
Okay, solid
And you’re right, I’m hyping him because we’ve had such bad safety play for so long. But when we acquired him, I didn’t expect he would be a starter at safety from being a swing/utility guy and definitely didn’t expect him to be as good as he is. I think that it deserves some credit to Tucker, though, that he’s been able to have a lot of these depth guys ready to play and exceeding a majority of fans’ expectations with a lot of “solid” guys.
As a cover guy
Lowery is one of the better safeties in the league. He’s a big part of the reason the team has been so good against explosive plays.
The fact that he's not doing anything special.
Two of the top three LBs were purchased for him this year, as was a completely new safety group. Session already wasn’t playing that much for whatever reason, so losing him was bound not to be as noticeable as losing Poz or Smith would’ve been. And as Alfie pointed out, Lowery already was who he is. Having better players had a lot to do with learning “how to turn the ball over”.
You talk about Tucker simplifying schemes and adjusting his defense. Well, what was he doing last year? Was he making the guys do calculus on the fly in order to figure out where to stand? Was he purposely installing a system that was bad for the players? No, of course not. The players were just garbage, especially the safeties and the LBs. Then Gene goes out and buys him new safeties and LBs, and suddenly Tucker’s a genius? Nothing changed except the talent level. Tucker’s not doing anything special.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 17, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
It's not like we thought we were getting weddle with lowery. He was a 7th round pick.
And whatever he did…it worked. I’m not saying the man is a genius, but to say hasn’t done anything is ridiculous. Did you look at the roster and say to yourself, “damn, I bet even if we have like, 30 guys go to IR this year, I bet we’ll have a top 5 defense until mid december!”
I’m not there every day. I don’t know how much he was personally involved. But I know that this defense wildly exceeded my expectations. People are raving over Wade Phillips, and no one is saying “but he got some key acquisitions and a bunch of good pieces off the bat”. They’re talking about how he’s fought through injury and shown great mental toughness and quality depth. Why can’t the same be said about us? Because we were number 4/5 at the highest and not 1st?
I, for one, have not been raving about Wade Phillips.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
That would be two more posts for the season then.
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by jagfan1992 on Dec 16, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Last Night put me on the potential 1st round QB bandwagon
At this point, I really think that the financial obligations is small enough that considering a RG 3 or Matt Barkley(although I do not think Barkley is any better than Gabbert) would be totally irresponsible. To be hinest though, I still think waiting at least 1 more full year before REALLY considering drafting a QB is the better course of action.
i have to say that i disagree on the Barkley comment
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although I do not think Barkley is any better than Gabbert)
Gabbert threw 16 TD last year in college. AND all of these pocket awareness skills where already noted on Gabbert. Barkley threw 39 TD… that is more than Gabbert had in 2 years.
i believe the defining reason why quarterbacks fail is because of pocket skills..and i said it prior to the draft Gabbert would be like this. He is playing like he did in college…. NFL evaluators are playing PC with their golden boys instead of looking at who is going to be a impact player (some of that is perception and some of that is reality)
The ONLY reason Newton and Dalton are ahead of Gabbert is because of pocket skills… Gabbert can throw it with anyone. But he will never get a chance too because of instinctive issues in the pocket.
I do not question......
Blaine’s ability to make great throws….he has a powerful arm. I question his desire to be an NFL QB! I just don’t know if he wants it or not, and after last night, I would be of the opinion that he does not!
I find it funny
that you start your article with:
“I was of the opinion …..he would need at least a year and probably more than that to be up to snuff”
If you are being honest about that (I have my doubts), then statements like this that contradict that do not make sense at all.
“I find it beyond concerning and into pitiful that Gabbert performed so badly”
“I am officially done pretending like Gabbert has anything to offer to this team.”
“I thought the best I could expect from Gabbert was that he would get his play together after the week 9 bye” (wow, what happened to a year or more)
I question your credibility Brian.
by zoxitic on Dec 16, 2011 9:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sadly, this is the way many fans react
It is the nature of the game. We are understanding until things go wrong…
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm conflicted...
because I see the potential there, but the execution is inconsistent. Do they put Gabbert in pressure situations in practice? Maybe they need to practice with 12 men on the field to get him used to those pressure situations. I don’t know….
I think that as far as Gene goes
his rep will be hurt a lot by Gabbert’s play. That said, the roster as a whole is still a young, ascending group. With a QB capable of playing at even Matt Schaub level, I think this would be a 10 win team, even with the very tough schedule we had.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Schaub is a perennial 4000 yard passer and was on his way to that # this year (in the spirit of Christmas and the holidays, I will refrain from personal attacks)
Crazy comparison Brian, because we have no one like Andre Johnson on this roster or Kevin Walter or Owen Daniel (this year anyway). Look, Gabbert has sucked this year. We get it. You win! But, the beauty of the NFL is he’s going to get a real offseason. You act as if this as good as he is ever going to get. This year is one long preseason.
When the team made the decision to cut Garrard, which I am thinking more than ever they knew how bad his back injury was, they knew this was about as good as they’d get. Now, in a couple years, we may look back and be grateful that we did not tailor the offense to Gabbert’s strengths like a team out west has done where they may get immediate returns but it masks their deficiencies. I have no doubt the Jags ideally would have liked to bring him along like the Titans are doing with Locker.
All I’m saying is we’re at the point this year is a throwaway. Keep the kid upright, get MJD his rushing title, and let’s see Gabbert with real coaching, some actual weapons, and a full off season with OTAs film work and him digesting the playbook. I think the kid can only improve. Folks like you who are already shoveling the dirt on him are way off.
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by Joe Fisher on Dec 16, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
People rarely play a whole season terribly then just pop up the next year and say “OK, I’m better now!” He’ll improve, but you are who you are and his performance now isn’t all that different from his performance in college.
It’d be a wonderful story if he does get better, but don’t go counting on any miracles.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nobody ever turned in a shit rookie campaign and then stepped it up. Never happened.
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I want the koolaid you're drinking,
but it sounds like you already drank it all.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 16, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Not drinking any kool aid
I just know that it is asinine to give up on the kid after 1 year. He’s got the tools.
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Just like David Carr and Alex Smith...
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
You'd think that if he has all the tools,
he’d be showing them, even accidentally.
22 yards. After three quarters. After a whole season of inaccuracy, happy feet, self sacks, and being completely unable to capitalize on having a top 5 defense keeping you in the game. If you see the potential there, you’re amazing.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 16, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's struggled
but how the he’ll is he supposed to be successful with guys like West, Dillard, Price, etc, as his receivers? What has Thomas done so far to male you think he’s a competent player? What happened to our “pro bowl” tightend? Gabbert has struggled, but so has everybody else all year long.
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Maybe not one year down the road... but two? Yeah.
Troy Aikman sucked his first year… was okay his second… and then was in the Pro Bowl six times. How ’bout Steve Young? He sucked too. A lot. At first, at least.
There re more, I’m sure. Would be more, too, if more players started when they and their team needed work. Eli Manning stunk it up his first season, if I remember right, even though he didn’t start the whole season.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Based on what?
The only recent examples of QBs who have done well in their rookie year are: Vince Young, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Sam Bradford and now Andy Dalton. All but Bradford who had a better offense than we do now. Since then, Josh Freeman looked better than everyone last year and is slumping again this year. This isn’t madden where they get a rating and automatically play to that rating. Players get better and worse.
By the count above, only one guy has been consistantly good (Ryan), and more guys have started good and ended up with a low ceiling than guys whose rookie year really gave you a good idea of what kind of player they were gonna be.
Look at Stafford, he looked awful his first year. Completely awful. Last year we barely saw him. This year he has been outrageous, despite the pics, and more than half his tds/yards haven’t even been to Megatron.
Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning are the only guys in the last 10 years that have really shown their cards up front, and Manning got to sit several weeks.
Speaking of Manning, he’s suddenly much better this year, don’t you think?
Brian, I agreed with you on Garrard, but it seems to me that you are far more biased then you give yourself credit for not being. The guy is 22, give him a chance to learn for f***’s sake.
The only recent examples of QBs who have done well in their rookie year are [all those guys you mentioned]...
…plus Cam Newton, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, Christian Ponder to an extent, and kinda Tim Tebow. That’s literally EVERY 1st round QB in the past 5 years except Matthew Stafford, 2007 (Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn both ended up being busts), and the other two guys this season (Gabbert and Locker, who hasn’t been given much of a chance but has a 96.6 rating in a small sample). That’s not exactly “only”, is it?
To review, out of 17 QBs taken in the 1st round and Andy Dalton, fully 12 had at least some success their rookie year. And that doesn’t include Roethlisberger or Eli Manning. Congratulations, Gabbert; you’re closer to being on the Jamarcus Russell career path than the Matt Ryan path.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 17, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, 2006 was 6 drafts ago, so that’s 12/17 1st round QBs (plus Andy Dalton since you mentioned him) in the last 6 years…which just makes it worse.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 17, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'd prefer this to a Matt Leiart or Cutler.
Seriously, doing well or badly in the rookie season doesn’t tell us what the player will be like in the future.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 17, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhh, you're crazy if you wouldn't want Cutler as our QB.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 17, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Matt leinart? Really?
Cam Newton has thrown more picks than interceptions, and hasn’t won much. Christian Ponder hasn’t shown me he’s in a tier above Gabbert, at all (starting to remind me of Colt Mccoy, actually). Tim Tebow? He didn’t even throw the ball until close to the end of the year, had all year to sit and work on technique. Then he only threw like 80 attempts for 50% completion. He still sucks for 80% of games now, nearly 2 years later, and benefits from a system that hasn’t been figured out yet. Isn’t it funny how out of all the QBs you mentioned, the one who didn’t play well is Matthew Stafford, and I’d like him out of all the guys you mentioned. Jay Cutler? If Phillip Rivers and David Garrard had a baby he’d play something like Jay Cutler.
Gabbert isn’t the safe low-ceiling pick. He’s the low floor high ceiling guy. I’d rather have him than a middle of the pack Cutler kind of guy.
I invite you to look up Cutler's stats,
and some film of him even earlier this season before the injury, and then with a straight face try to tell me you wouldn’t take him over the Jags’ mess.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
He throws like Rivers
But is consistent like Garrard. I’ve seen him play quite a bit and he’s always been up and down game to game, which is why his stats are pretty much right in the middle of Garrard and Rivers the whole time, except that one year when he passed for 4500 (which is nice). Jay Cutler would be giving us much more success right now for sure, but I think he’s reached his peak. Maybe I’ll change my mind if he ever gets a decent OL.
Yeah, I can agree with that.
Everyone that complains about our line needs to watch Chicago’s. Cutler’s going to have his career ended if they don’t fix it soon.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 19, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
This is why I respect your opinion more than most people here
And the reason why I haven’t rage-quit this website. I’m telling you, madden is ruining everything. People thing the offseason on defense we had this year is a normal thing, or that QBs only go up 3-8 points in their rating every year.
Can RG3/Barkley do better?
That’s the big question. I mean right now Gabbert is dealing with a patchwork O-Line, the worst WR corps in recent NFL history and he had a WR coach as his QB coach for most of the year. Give Gabbert a healthy O-Line and get some WRs for him to throw to and see how he does next year.
If Gabbert can not improve in 2012, we’ll be in a good position to draft a QB in 2013, who will benefit from having weapons around him from the get-go
with this band of receivers, especially the 4 last night, no
Hell Josh Freeman has 2 guys who are very highly thought of in Williams and Briscoe and a really good RB and decent line and that team has crapped all over itself this season.
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we're basically the AFC version of the Rams
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it is very difficult to blame wideouts when quarterback position is struggling
I mean if you have a bunch of no name recievers a good quarterback can still get production.. may not be dynamic or wide open.
It is unfair to compare Brady too this situation but… he had some really good recievers and some really bad ones and yet he can still get ride of the football. Deion Branch could not even make the Seahawks roster but on the Pats he does well?… it is because a quarterback sets the tone for that.. getting open is subjective… what is open to one quarterback may not be open to another quarterback… timing and accuracy and the perception of being able to make that play or make that throw or not…. you could have a bunch of no name wideouts and a great qb and move the ball…. but you can’t have poor quarterback play and move the ball even if you have the all madden team running routes…. this is truth.
saying this is a wideout issue will blind you from the fact that your passer has to make them better….and to sit here and say it is all them or even mostly them is just hope that the quarterback will one day sling it around…. some of the best wideouts in the league use to be no name guys who no one thought was good but the quarterback play raised their level of play.
yes you have to upgrade if needed… but alot of it starts with a quarterback playing instinctive
by Shankdiddy on Dec 16, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
these guys are awful
Dillard picked a hell of a time to have a bad game and may have played himself into a bubble position next year.
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Bubble
Dillard and West will be lucky to make a bubble next year. They are on the Jason Hill path.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Dillard
is better than you think. Had a nasty drop and a muff, but it’s not like we expect him to do a lot of punt returning. And frankly he doesn’t have a lot of experience. If we were winning, that muff would be acceptable. It’s not like he’s been a problem receiving punts.
But he’s one of the few guys that get open and usually catch the ball.
Dillard can catch (most of the time) but
can’t separate. If he could run better routes, he could be a minor league
Welker. He is not a deep threat and overall is mediocre. We’ve had enough mediocrity to last a decade.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Watch last nights game
he was getting open all game and he has been for weeks. I’m talking like wide open.
Are you talkng about the Falcons game?
If so, how many receptions did he have?
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Getting open
doesn’t mean getting receptions. That would require the QB to throw you the ball.
by Ewdtrey on Dec 17, 2011 5:11 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
That also requires your line not getting destroyed by a four man rush.
You are really clueless. The guy can’t even step up because he is getting destroyed on his drop back.
Also how are you seeing Dillard get open on TV? Were you at the game?
Ewdtrey is a lot of things,
but clueless is not one of them.
What’s with you, anyway? Did you get tired of trolling about the team being so bad, so you decided to reverse-troll about Gabbert and Tucker being so amazing?
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 17, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard people speak of Dillard being better than he looks...
… but whenever he gets a chance to show that he is good, he sucks it up.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
his biggest issue has been his inability to stay on the field
He just had 2 very bad plays in a high visibility game, 1 when the defense was starting to get their feet under them.
People seem to forget they played 3 games in 11 days with a very banged up offense.
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+1
And there is never an excuse for one.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
But
show me a punt returner that’s never muffed and I’ll show you a guy that hasn’t returned a lot of punts.
Do you cut, Mike Thomas, DeSean Jackson, Devin Hester, Percy Harvin? All of them have muffed before.
It means
you don’t throw a player away because he muffs 1 punt, especially when you are the third guy in line to return punts.
That's how I take
unacceptable. If unacceptable doesn’t mean get rid of the player, then unacceptable should be redefined as being very very frustrating and if it keeps happening you will be taken off of PR.
By accepting him you are accepting his mistake by default.
It should never happen, and I don’t wanna hear excuses and all that drivel. But, 1 muffed punt should be acceptable. Players are still human.
This is pretty convoluted.
You inferred something not there. Simple as that. Gabbert not completing 50% of his passes is unacceptable. It doesn’t mean they should get rid of him.
As of right now
it is acceptable. If he’s still doing it regularly a couple years into his career…that is unacceptable.
And you think that makes it acceptable?
Everyone lies, but few people think lying is acceptable.
Hester had one muff that I can remember, because people made a big deal that he had muffed. There are likely more… but that is through years of returning punts.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 17, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Why are we making a big deal about Dillard muffing a punt? He was not drafted to be our punt returner. He is just filling in because of injuries. Does Russell Allen suck now because he made such a poor kickoff?
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by Conservative on Dec 17, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Lol, Russell Allen's kickoff was a fun moment
I’m guessing the coaches won’t make that mistake again…
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
Tom Brady
We always joke about Brady having no-name WRs but in his first set of starts he had a TE who would catch passes and a pro-bowl WR. And yes their run game was pretty decent too.
How can you give up on the youngest starting QB when he is throwing to WRs that would not make any other NFL squad. The only time they can play well it seems is when they’re playing teams second string squads (ATL late 4th quarter) or playing a horrible team (Bucs/Colts)
What’s the actual harm in letting Gabbert have 2012? I mean unless Mr. Khan fires Gene Smith odds are the new head coach will be taking the job with the understanding that Gabbert is the man at QB for us. Now he has an actual NFL WR I think the kid will be able to play.
He's had two...
for most of the season. I’d say M80 and Dillard are very capable of being successful in this league. Thomas has to refind his drive, which is another conversation in itself and Dillard needs more opportunities to establish himself. But I bet if either of them were released, they’d find opportunities to play elsewhere.
Thomas, maybe. Dillard? Perhaps, but not certain.
Practice squad is always nice. Neither of those two are even a #2 WR. Thomas is a slot, specialty guy. Dillard is taking far too long to break out.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 17, 2011 4:38 AM EST up reply actions
There's no maybe...
involved. I know for a fact that M80 would get a chance to play somewhere else if he was released. He’s young and was productive his first two season, so another team would surely give him a shot to see if they could get that same production out of him.
And Dillard is taking too long to break out? He was hurt his first two seasons and had limited opportunities this season. Besides, with the way Blaine has played, he’s not in a position to break out. With his limited chances, he has 23 receptions for 223 yards and a 9.7 average. So it’s not a far off assumption that with more chances and better QB play he could’ve averaged 60-70 receptions for 600-700 yards with a similar average already and we still have two games left to play. I see no reason why he couldn’t improve on this going forward in his career, which would easily make him a #2 in this league.
You use “productive” very liberally. This is a problem amongst Jaguars fans, is that we’ve been starved for a WR for so long and dealt with some many busts, we view someone having an average season as “productive”.
Thomas is about as average as it gets for a wide receiver. I have doubts that he would make most rosters, let alone be a contributor outside of punt returns.
M80...
played in 14 games his rookie season and had 48 receptions for 453 yards and a 9.4 average.
His second season he played in all 16 games and had 66 receptions for 820 yards and a 12.4 average. So I don’t see how I used “productive” liberally because that what he was. Considering that he did this on a primarily run first team where he was the third passing option, I’d say that deserves to be considered more than just average.
I guess in the literal sense of the word, he was productive.
Also, how do you lead the team in receptions as the “third passing option”?
Because...
during the 2010 season, MSW was the first passing option and Marcedes was the second.
Although he didn’t possess the talent to be the true #1 receiver we needed, MSW did draw coverage and had 7 TD’s. Him playing in 14 games with only 43 receptions for 562 receptions and a 13.1 average proved he couldn’t overcome being double teamed.
Marcedes played all 16 games and had 58 receptions for 700 yards and a 12.1 average with 10 TD’s to boot.
So to me, that says that M80 benefitted heavily from having two other passing options that teams had to concern themselves with first. Effectively making him the third passing option.
Well, you’re using words that don’t mean what you’re saying in football terms.
Yes, he benefitted from the coverage being drawn away, but when you say “third passing option” that typically means the third read on a play.
Fair enough.
Then lets just call him the third passing threat.
You do realize that you are agreeing with us, right?
Thomas would make a good slot receiver (the third receiver). His speed, hands and mobility would benefit him greatly in the slot, as well as being covered by a safety or LB instead of a to-flight CB.
And remember that on this offense in the last 5 years, very few teams “double team” our wide receivers. When there is almost always eight in the box, sometimes even nine, the wide receivers have a better chance of being open. Rare is the play that a team drops even into the secondary to “double team” a Jaguar receiver.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 17, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
When did I attempt to disagree with anyone?
All I said was that he could be productive in this league.
M80 is a garbage reciever.
But he has this incredible mythos about him. People talk about him saying he can be like Welker in the slot or Steve Smith. This guy can’t even be Alvis Whitted. He is flat out horrible, lazy, sloppy route runner, and has unreliable hands.
False.
They put him in a room with the league’s leading rusher, a pro-bowl tight end in 2010, a top five defense, and a first-round left tackle just starting to come into his prime.
It was pretty bright when he got there, but Sunshine pretty effectively sucked the light out.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
You mean
Our pro bowl tight end who drops half the balls thrown to him including ones that my 4 yr old daughter could have caught?
I have yet to see a 1st rd tackle who can block both sides of the line at the same time.
I noticed you didnt mention anything about Wide Receivers.
by zoxitic on Dec 16, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You mean
Our pro bowl tight end who drops half the balls thrown to him including ones that my 4 yr old daughter could have caught?
I have yet to see a 1st rd tackle who can block both sides of the line at the same time.
I noticed you didnt mention anything about Wide Receivers.
by zoxitic on Dec 16, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You mean
Our pro bowl tight end who drops half the balls thrown to him including ones that my 4 yr old daughter could have caught?
I have yet to see a 1st rd tackle who can block both sides of the line at the same time.
I noticed you didnt mention anything about Wide Receivers.
by zoxitic on Dec 16, 2011 11:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we got your point the first two times.
Jaguars fan from day 1
thanks for pointing out that we are not a perfect team
but im pretty sure there has never been a team that has been strong at every position. so there are naturally going to be guys on every team that you look at that and say “wow they arent that good.”
but you would expect with a team with that has a good defense with a good running game to actually be able to win some games if their passing attack is above a pop warner level
look at the ravens and jets the past couple years. they have great D’s good running games and below average qb play and they win a crap ton of games
if gabbert even put up below average passing numbers and not 1-4 for -4 yards in a half we might have actually done something this year.
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by Jaggaholic82 on Dec 16, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
our defense had 6 returning starters this year
Remember how last year everyone said Mathis/Cox sucked, and the other half said, “why don’t we see what happens when we get good play from the safeties?” Well, it turns out good play from the safeties mattered, as cox and mathis looked pretty damn good all year. Poz, Sessions and Landry were the only big named-expensive guys out there…and Poz is the only real superstar.
What I would suggest, is that improvement from the crap we have on offense, even if they aren’t all superstars, could have the same ripple effect.
It’s not to say Gabbert hasn’t been playing badly this year, don’t think anyone can try and deny that, but football is a team sport.
by Mr.Awesome on Dec 17, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pro Bowl TE who had a horrible season
And not because of Blaine
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's had 21 catches for 245 yards in the last 5 weeks.
That’s an average of 4-50 per game. Considering who he’s catching passes from, that’s not bad at all.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
glossing over the first 8 games
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Who's this "Garrard" fellow and what does he have to do with Gabbert?
Seriously, I was down on Gabbert pre-draft. My thinking that he’s not good goes back well before the whole Gabbert/Garrard argument.
If you’re trying to throw this Garrard thing in my face still, you need get over it. I am.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
A Pro Bowl TE should catch everything that is thrown his way and catchable
Marcades has been one of my favorite Jaguars players since he was drafted, but he has had too many “oops” moments this year. As good as he was last year – that is how bad he has played this year, comparatively.
Too many dropped passes for a Pro Bowl TE. Too many /big/ drops. TD passes that are on the money? Gabbert’s stats would look much better if Marcades hadn’t dropped so many passes.
Now, I’m glad Marcades has been doing better the last few weeks…but I cannot discount his early play.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
His play right now is not Pro Bowl - TE worthy
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
we had a top 5 defense coming in? No idea. We had a mishmash of part that gelled, fortunately
Monroe has been up and down this year. At first his struggles were due to him overcompensating for Rackley, then he played better and last night was bad.
Lewis, it seems like the fire went out once he got paid. I would not be shocked if it comes out that he was hurt MMA training. Last I checked, MMA training doesn’t help pass catching
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I wish we'd stop throwing this Pro-bowl thing around like a cheap whore.
Marcedes has never been more than average his entire career.
700 yards, 10 TDs Great blocker... Happens all the time.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
we have no talent at any position so lets not blame gabbert but lets keep gene because he has put a good young talented core of players for our team to build on……makes sense right?
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by Jaggaholic82 on Dec 16, 2011 11:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
There's plenty of talent on the team.
The defense is full of talent. The TE went to the pro bowl last season, the RB is the best in the league, and most of the offensive line is actually playing pretty well.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 16, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
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we have no talent at any position
is what Jaggaholic said, which is simply false. You don’t have a top 5 defense (pre-IR storm) without talent. Marcedes is struggling, but he obviously has shown talent. MJD is the new LT, an elite running back on a bad team. Monroe is playing at a high level, and aside from Whimper, the line play is not as terrible as people think. Gabbert usually has a pocket for a few seconds, but he’s great at running out of it and right into the pass rush.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 16, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
The line is good at run blocking, Pass blocking they rated last in league
The pass blocking rating for our line has been at the bottom all season.
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This is the ugly side of being a QB.
When you lose, its all your fault. When you win, its glorious, because then you get all the glory – even though it takes 11 guys to succeed.
In my opinion, drafting a QB would be ridiculous. You do that and you have lost Gabbert. He will be done as a Jaguar. He won’t like it, nor should he, and he will mentally be finished here. This kid had a truncated offseason, horrendous coaching, terrible WRs, and Guy Whimper blocking the right side…I think he deserves a full season of learning the pace and ferocity of the league, follwed by an offseason of thorough and in depth work/studying film and playbook. This kids career just started, lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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by JPQ! on Dec 16, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Brian thinks he has all the answers.
I’m kind of tiring of these “see I told you so” articles. The kid has had a bad season. This was essentially a throwaway campaign the minute Weaver declined to extend any of the coaches. Now we have a good idea why he did it.
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And you don't?
You guys are two sides of the same coin. Which is ok. It’s good to read posts by two individuals who give thoughts to their posts. But are you going to honestly tell me that if Gabbert vastly improves next season due to better WR’s and a better Oline we won’t see any “told you so” posts from you?
Jaguars fan from day 1
not to this extent
because there will be times when he will struggle, most all of them do.
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If Gabbert struggles
like this next year we are in trouble. I never expected him to come in and play like a vet but my concern is now you have let him have a whole season to develop bad habits like feeling phantom pressure, non existent ball security, and no pocket awareness. How much is it going to take get get him to “unlearn” this? I am really hoping the coaching pick is a home run because that will determine whether we are competitive or looking for another QB in 2 years.
Jaguars fan from day 1
I have to laugh
We had 4 seasons of highs and very lows that equated to mediocrity and some were ok with it. Now, we have a kid going through major growing pains and folks want to run him out of town.
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Who was ok with mediocrity?
I don’t remember anyone happy about the late season collapses of the last two years.
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all the people saying Garrard was the man
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Yeah because he was throwing to pro bowlers
And had an iron line in front of him. Unlike Gabbert who has crappy receivers and a suspect line
Jaguars fan from day 1
so Whimper and Rackley are better (at this point in time) than Manuwai and Britton?
Don’t forget Haslam was on his way to making an impact before he got hurt too
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Not sure Haslam
was gonna have the kind of effect you might think. And Rackley was better than Manuwai as a pass blocker. And Whimper is not better than a healthy Britton, but Britton was never healthy last year, and when Britton went on IR half way through the year, I would say Whimper is much better than Jordan Black. Black on the other hand was given help a lot more last year. Honestly, I’ve been a little disappointed our TE’s haven’t stayed in a little more to pass block.
Yeah everyone wanted to spread things out for Gabbert and etc. But how about getting some 7 man protections and let Gabbert have fewer things to worry about and a little more time to make decisions.
Kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't
more protection rakes away targets from Gabbert, which aren’t that good anyway. But Whimper can’t pass protect, so somebody has to help him.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
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Rackley has been TERRIBLE as a pass blocker.
Manuwai is 10x the guard Rackley is. I mean, I hope you’re going for hyperbole here…
He was an average pass blocker and an excellent run blocker.
Rackley has been poor pass blocking this season.
Indeed
Manuwai was a much better player than Rackley.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 17, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
that comes with experience
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Indeed. Perhaps Rackley will be better next year...
… but this year, he’s been horrible.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 17, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
When Rackley's hands
were injured he was horrible, but since recovering his pass blocking has been good, and I expect him to be a lot better.
Overall Manuwai was still a better player because of the nuances of the game and his run blocking.
A top ten pick is supposed to elevate the play of his teamates.
Do you think Brady, or Rodgers, or Manning, would stop being great on this team? No, they’d make the players around them play better. Even David Garrard made the team look better. So while I’m willing to give Gabbert another year. He has shown nothing of promise. In fact he has been the worst QB in the NFL. Those expectations that because Gabber had an off season he’ll suddenly be all better, are a little outlandish, but whatever, all we can do is wait and see. I think if he plays next year how he plays this year then its time for a new QB.
by ecuajags on Dec 16, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You know what I'm curious about?
I wanna see what Garrard looks like next year. Not because I’m a big fan of his, thought I root for the guy, but because I wanna see if he still has it and I want to see how much of his play good/bad was a result of the team around him in JAX.
right now, he's looking a bit hefty
I’d like to see him get a shot somewhere as a backup. Thing is, he’s now a very old mid thirties football player with a surgically repaired back
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I don't know if he's very old
And yes he had his back repaired. But he’s gonna be relatively rejuvenated with all the time he’s had off. And the last time we saw him on the field, he still looked young to me. I mean no one even knew he was hurt. Not to mention Garrard is such a warrior that he played with the injury through the entire 2010 season, where he was hit regularly. With a good OL, he could make a team a playoff contender.
Do you think he'll get an opportunity to start anywhere aside from injury to the incumbent?
mid 30s but he’s been taking a beating the past 4 seasons.
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Yeah
There are many team with worse QBs. Seattle, Washington, Kansas City,San Fransisco, Miami, Cleavland.
Not sure all of those are good places for him to go
but there are teams out there for sure. And I’m not sure the CLE situation is any better than ours. lol
He’ll also be out of football shape, considering he didn’t get the surgery until near mid-season, suffered a setback, and is still in daily rehab.
I really think he's content to sit and wait and not go through training camp
And I really can’t say I blame him. He had a good run, struck gold and is getting to the point of physically not being where he once was. If I were him, I’d enjoy life, fish, play with the babies, do some appearances, and divorce myself from football.
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Not sold
Not sold on Gabbert at all ……. he just doesn’t give me the vibe of being our franchise QB . Just watch him in the pocket when he has no pressure on him
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I can't believe that Troye Aikman hasn't been brought up
Guys, there have been plenty of QBs that he not looked so great coming out, and then a few years down the road turned out… well, very good. Look at Aikman. He had a /horrible/ first season. 0-11, way more INTs than TD and not many thought much of him. Two seasons later he went to the Pro Bowl (back when it meant something) for the first of six seasons. 3 Super Bowl wins, one Superbowl MVP…
Now, don’t get me wrong. Blaine could turn out horrible. He really could. We cannot, however, drop such a promising prospect after one season that has been rife with horrible WR play, injuries galore, bad line play… Give the kid a chance. You say: “He’s already had 11.” and I say, “He needs more.”
Do you guys honestly think Aaron Rodgers would have looked /great/ in his first year out of college, instead of after a few seasons sitting behind Farve? I not saying Blaine will come out and be as good as any of the top QBs in the league next year… but I see a lot of talent in him. Last night there were at least three throws on important drives that were perfect (or at least very good) and yet… dropped. Not only does that stall a drive, but it hurts the QB’s ability to make plays later. Sometimes he loses trust in those who drop the ball, and is a little afraid to throw it that way.
In any case, it would be stupid to drop a top-10 QB after one bad year. Extremely stupid. Too much to lose.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions
I wouldn't drop him...
I’d draft a guy with our pick, declare it an open battle, name Gabbert the starter in preseason then go with the new guy.
That way it looks like we still want Gabbert and people will give us more for him. Still won’t be a first though…
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
we're not in a position to just swing for another top flight quarterback
you know, I was out for the past couple hours helping my 3 year old build a gingerbread house at day care. She just couldn’t use the frosting correctly, and the gum drops were not sticking correctly.
I took your advice and traded her for a toddler to be named later. : )
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by Joe Fisher on Dec 16, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaha
Thanks, Joe. I needed that. +1
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Gabbert has played like a scared little girl...
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
and yet aside from the JDR benching late in the 4th vs Houston, he's only missed one series since being tabbed the starter
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Yeah, I don't see why he hasn't been sat down more...
He’s certainly earned a seat after getting the run around from John Abraham
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
When he's ineffective, has been all year and he's just getting beat up
Why not pull him?
Sure there’s the whole “he’ll lose confidence” thing, but realistically, how much confidence does he actually have down 41 in the middle of the third quarter, having been sacked 4 times and fumbled twice on the back end of a season where he’s the worst QB playing the game?
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand
How you don’t understand.
The development of Gabbert > our win/loss record
Sure they pulled Garrard out whenever we got stomped, but that’s usually because he threw 4+ picks in a game. How many times has Gabbert thrown for multiple picks again this season? I don’t think there’s a single game that he topped 2.
The question is: Is he really developing?
He still has the same flaws in about the same proportions.
Sometimes when you want a guy to learn, it’s fine to just throw him in the fire. Sometimes when you throw a guy in the fire, he just comes out crispy and burnt.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
In practice, when 300 LB men aren't trying to beat you stupid.
Usually, fear of violence is not a great way to make habits set.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
let's see, a shit game against one of the best teams in the league at their place on a short week when it was the 3rd game in 11 days and he only had 4 receivers at his disposal
yeah, anything less than 300 yards is unacceptable
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22 yards through 3 Quarters is acceptable to you?
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
it was all him
receivers were WFO all damn game. Gabbert was getting 5 seconds each drop back and able to scan the field.
The more you post, the more your bias comes out.
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so you ARE ok with it?
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
there's a difference between not being ok with it and your bloviation saying the kid is as good as he's going to be.
I’m a realist Brian. I realize that he needs some pieces in place and a lot of classroom work with coaches, preferrably those not on 1 year deals.
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you'd be stupid to sit him down.
he’s never going to progress if he keeps getting yanked
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Look, if it was me...
I’d be working in practice and feel like I’m getting better, then get sacked repeatedly in the game, or throw a few bad passes and forget everything I learned in practice.
By the third quarter of a game like the Atlanta I’d be looking at the sideline thinking:
“I’m not ready for this. They’re saying they believe in me, but I’m not stupid. I’m not effective in this offense, we’re losing badly, I can’t get coached during the game, I can’t learn during the game and I’m just dragging this team down with ineffective play.”
1) that’s a blow to your confidence and 2) it screws up the learning process if you regress every week in games after you get hit.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
and that's why you're not an NFL quarterback
It’s not forgetting everything he learned in practice, in practice there is little contact and receivers are open AND he’s wearing a red jersey.
They believe in the kid. But they’re all smart enough to know he has been dealt a losing hand for his rookie year.
You should be too.
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he got hit really hard and limped off the field before that benching
and we were already down. i think we were listening to the magic 8 ball on that call.
Troy Aikmans rookie qb rating 55, blaines 66
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If you really wanna make that comparison...
Aikman had two games in 1989 (his rookie year) where he combined for 640 yards, 3 TDs and 3 INTs.
Gabbert’s best 3 games so far this season he had 647 yards, 3 TDs and 2 INTs.
So as bad as Aikman was his rookie year, he played two games that were as good Gabbert’s best three games combined.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 16, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
and yet Steve Walsh was pushing him for the starting job
good thing Jimmy knew that he couldn’t judge the kid by his rookie season. And make no mistake, Troy got the crap kicked out of him weekly
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
agenda's such a nasty word
This isn’t any more of an agenda that what some others have been accused of having.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 17, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WAIT hold up here....Aikman was acturally good
Troy Aikman has flashes of greatness on that 0-11 stretch… he had a 4 TD game… he had a 400 yard passing game. YES he was a rookie but you had moments that lead you to believe he had the talent and instincts to get better with better talent around him. That Dallas team was rebuilding and the defence was NOT good.. no team in the history of NFL football has won with a rookie quarterback and a bad defence… in HISTORY of the NFL.. it has never happened. (even as good as Newton has played) Aikman could not carry that team as a rookie.. but he showed flashes with a throw here or a read there… .And i watched those games… With Gabbert you have to be honest ..there are no flashes that lead you too believe he could string those flashes together into great play (or even average play)
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We see things differently
I see good flashes. Really good ones, at times. I see the bad, but am not blinded to the good.
And Aikman had Irving that year, if I remember right.
Rookie QBs + Rebuilding teams = Struggle
Peyton Manning experienced it.
Tory Aikman did.
Now Blaine Gabbert.
Let’s wait and see.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
He did not
Irvin was out with a torn ACL he suffered in preseason
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And the Defence was terrible in that year....rookie quarterbacks can't carry a bad defence...just ask Cam Newton
He is having the best season in the history of the NFL as a rookie qb and he can’t carry the Panthers none existant defence.
I am not blind to Gabberts good plays. First round draft pick quarterbacks or a free agent they all struggle… but Gabbert should look better than TJ Yaths (can’t even spell his name)…
Flashes should not mean 1 play a game… even Tim Tebow has put in better passing games.. think about that really hard. And i love Tebow but still… What coach would believe his job is safe coaching him?… Aikman comparions didn’t have a Emmit Smitt until year 2 …. his first year with the cowboys was on a historically bad team . yet he had big games even in losts.
I looked at Aikman's stats in '89
you see that crew of receivers he had to work with? Damn!
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oh yeah
only name I recognized was Moose Johnston
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This is what I would do:
Draft either Blackmon or Floyd
Sign 1 top tier WR free agent
Sign a top tier Tackle and Guard free agent.
Give Blaine the opportunity to play with something that resembles actual talent around him.
I'd sign 2 FA receivers
and draft the CB from LSU and a guard in round 2
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Sounds good
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WR talent
Odds are it’s going to be thin in FA, not a lot of teams will let their guys walk. So instead of Thomas/Dillard/Shorts you’ll have Stud FA WR/Thomas/Thomas-like FA WR.
I’d go Blackmon/Jeffery in round one
CB round two
Then in FA I’d pick up either D.Jax/V.Jax/D.Bowe
All I want to see...
is an improved pocket awareness. Mike Mayock kept saying it during the entire game. Instead of stepping up in the pocket, he tries to avoid the rush by getting out of it and effectively gets himself sacked. It’s very frustrating to watch.
Also, I would’ve wanted everybody on the coaching staff fired if they didn’t take Whimper out when they did. I never want to see him on the field again.
I'm not sure
awareness in the pocket was his problem last night. Can’t step up when there is pressure inside. Granted his pocket presence isn’t good, but if you have a decent pass pro and you get rid of the ball quickly you can mask those problems.
Last night wasn't a night you could really judge him
because the OL got completely blown off the ball and were abused by guys with no actual moves and the WRs ran awful routes and dropped a couple more balls for good measure. Blaine had his struggles again, but he didn’t play like complete garbage by himself. This was another great collective effort of sucktitude.
+1
Thank you. I thought, for a moment, that I was the only one who saw that the rest of the offense, sans MJD, did very little to nothing to help Gabbert out.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I will say this however
Last night was about as careless with the ball as I’ve seen him. And he’s got to be the most sacked quarterback on third down.
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I have to differ on this one...
…Martin Luther King Jr. – Strength to Love, 1963
- The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.
When exactly should we judge him? When the conditions are perfect? Should we wait until we have an all star offensive line? Should we wait until we have all world receivers? With the perfect line and perfect receivers, anyone would look good.
Thursday night was the perfect time to judge him. You never know what you really have until you pressure test it. When it all falls down, he doesn’t have the instinct or skills required to take the team where it needs to go.
by moufpuncha on Dec 16, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Blaine had 7 bad plays by my count after rewatching
The line had 20 where they didn’t block well or got crushed off the snap. You also take away 4 drops by the WRs that could have been considered good plays by Blaine and you really have just overall another awful offensive performance.
Blaine has played in a few games where he has sucked IMO and he didn’t have an excuse. Last night was one where I will give him a little break and say he wasn’t good, but he got zero help from the guys that really make him go.
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they had a rotation of 4, count em, 4 receivers
and Osgood was only in on 8 plays
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would you trust Guy Whimper and a rookie Will Rackley?
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I trust Will
at least now I do. He’s been pretty good as a pass blocker recently. He’s still trying to get all the nuances of run blocking on the second level.
He also trusted Don Carey, This entire WRs corps
Gene Smith is not exactly good at evaluating talent
Frustration over the past few years
is leading to irrationality from a lot of the fan base. First of all, Gabbert is a ROOKIE. This is what they do; the important thing is that he is getting valuable on field experience. Second, can you think of a worse situation to be tossed into before a season. Being on a team with a historically bad receiving corps and a dysfunctional OL, following no training camp. The only thing that he has going for him is a RB, who wasn’t even utilized in the passing game until Del Rio left.
Finally, remember he wasnt supposed to even play this year, so it really is unfair to take this year as any more than a learning experience for him. He’s 22, in fact he could have stayed in college, but instead got to play against pro level defenses instead.
I know losing sucks, and as fans we are very emotionally connected to this team, but lets keep level heads and try to show some sense of patience.
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Finally, a rational response
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by TheTealDeal on Dec 16, 2011 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"This is what rookies do..."
Not exactly. Rookies have one good game or two, show flashes of brilliance then fall back into bad habits and have a few bad games.
Where have the flashes of brilliance been for Gabbert? Has he had a good game yet? The most he’s thrown for is 220 yards, and he’s supposed to be a golden-armed wonder.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
I’d classify his games against the Bengals, Browns, and Bucs as pretty good, with some flashes in those games.
So if he plays like he has in those games and becomes a consistent player we’ll get about 55% completions for 210 yards and a 3/2 TD/INT ratio.
That’s the best Gabbert is gonna do?
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
If we could maintain...
the running game and defense the way it is, he wouldn’t have to do much better than that. If he only averaged 250 yards a game with a 2/1 TD/INT ratio, this team could find consistent success. Of course there would be games where the running game and defense will struggle and he’ll have to step his game up but with the way things currently are, those games would be far and few between. If the team could shore up the o-line, get a receiver that draws coverage and get some defensive depth, it wouldn’t be a pipe dream to think Blaine could get good enough to provide such production game in and game out.
Or... we could try and get a guy who has 250 yards and 2/1 as an average day
and is capable of putting up 350 yards and 4 TDs no INTs.
Your call.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Not my call.
I was just saying what I think it would take for this team to be successful. It wouldn’t matter who the QB was as long as he could put up those numbers. And I’d say that with the way this team is built, a QB would be hard pressed to put up those kind of numbers here. Lastly, if we did attempt to draft another QB, it would require the same things Blaine needs before he could do what your suggesting. Better pass protection and more weapons.
Yep. That’s the best he’ll ever do, the average of his best games as a rookie.
What’s hilarious is, if he had that for a season he’d end up with about 3,300 yards, 25ish TD’s with 17ish interceptions… which you were completely fine with from Garrard.
Guess you didn’t realize that, huh?
Would you be satisfied with that?
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
In his second season? Absolutely.
For his career? If he did that every season, absolutely.
You wouldn’t?
I'd be fine with it...
I just don’t think he’ll be able to do it.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
man, you've got the shovel ready and the tombstone engraved don't you?
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It's not just me.
Look above. 57% said they’d be OK to replace Gabbert next year. 23% said they’d replace just because he’s played so bad, regardless of who else we get.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Being OK to replace him doesn’t mean they want to replace him.
I’d be OK with him being replaced too, that doesn’t mean I’m ready to bury him.
Are you ready to pursue a player to offer genuine competition
and perform in the event that Gabbert fails?
Cuz that’s all I need to hear to be satisfied.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Nope,
Because it still dosn’t change whos blocking them or who their throwing to.
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if there's a FA backup who has proven to be a capable starter such as Jason Campbell and if he was available for the right price then yes
but burning a first round pick all but guarantees more of the same.
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Campbell would work for me.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, Brian
We found some common ground. I’ll settle with Campbell (if under say, 3m/yr) and a late round pick. Deal?
Deal.
I just don’t wanna be stuck at week 15 next year with an ineffective QB.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
we've had that pretty much since Brunell screwed up his knee in that preseason game vs the Giants
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We got a few “decent” years each from Garrard and Leftwich, but for the most part I agree.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 19, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
So… you agree they’ve been straddled with ineffective QB’s since Brunell, bought fought tooth and nail in defense of Garrard.
Got it.
...
I said we got decent years. That means QB play hasn’t been great. That’s different from saying it’s been ineffective.
Jeez dude, don’t you have anything better to do than stalk my posts on here? It’s flattering but…
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 20, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
all I'm saying is let's judge him next preseason
you are being over the top hasty in your burial of Gabbert.
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Maybe I was watching a different game...
BUT I actually thought Thursday was one of Gabbert’s better games. I thought he was setting his feet better, and as a result was more accurate. There were no throws in the ground for once, and the interception was “tipped” off of Lewis’ hands (although there was the sideline throw that should have been picked). He remained composed through the 4th quarter as the game got out of hand as well. Backup cornerbacks don’t create accurate passes. Yeah, he had issues with the pressure, but that feels like a normal developmental issue. Don’t get me wrong, Gabbert has been beyond bad this season, but in the last couple weeks, I’ve seen development in his accuracy and pocket presence.
I wouldn't say it was one of his better games
but if Abraham wasn’t having one of his career games I think we might be singing a different tune about Gabbert. He probably would have had a game similar to the one against Tampa and we would have said he’s improving. Early pressure and etc has a way of screwing things over like yesterday though.
Wow look at that...
…on Sunday would you ever imagine the tone today would be so different from the tone then?
what's that supposed to mean???
(joking)
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At this point, i just find it comical
Not really mad that you believe in getting a new quarterback, for reasons that are pretty lame. Is one such reason, that Gabbert shares the same first letter with the Great Garrard?
But anyways, I mean its not like we would have big financial losses (which were the reasons we kept Garrard and Del Rio), all we would lose is some draft picks. However if you might notice, none of the elite teams practice this cut your one year investment strategy.
You can argue that we’ll just suffer needlessly because Gabbert’s a bust and let’s rid ourselves of him now. But there are too many successful players in the NFL who rebounded from terrible seasons.
Let’s not let our emotions get the best of us. And oh yeah, Live Long and Prosper.
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by TheTealDeal on Dec 16, 2011 5:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
agreed
but at the same time there have been teams that stuck with horrible QB’s that never panned out and the franchise paid for it dearly.
A very true point
I’m not advocated sticking with Gabbert until his contract is up if he continues to suck. I just want to give him just a reasonable chance for success.
The way I see our offense now, I’m more convinced mojo has superpowers as his teammates are pitifully pathetic. I just want to see what he does when he has some quality players around him
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Buffalo seems like they're about to go through it.
and the Raiders
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He is a rookie and, like said in one of my posts, you have to take into consideration that he has no one to throw to besides Lewis who was ineffective last night. You saw it yourself right after that huge run by Mojo we ran a play action pass and Dillard flat out dropped it. What he can do without weapons doesn’t match his potential if you give him weapons. He is a rookie no matter what he is gonna make mistakes. And lastly you said it yourself, we cut Gerrard throwing Gabbert into the fire with no lockout. Newton has Steve Smith and was planned to start from the get go, same with Dalton and before they picked Dalton they went and got Aj Green. Gene Smith has done nothing to help the ailing rookie by not going out and buying a WR like he did for the defense. Be patient trust me i know how you feel i live in Orange County Virginia, I’ve been lucky enough to see all the prime time games plus the first game cause of direct t.v. and I’ve been to 3 game this season it sucks to see this kind of stuff but lets be patience.
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by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Gabbert clearly has a talented arm...
so why would you give up on him after one season where his “#1” receiver got cut? Yes, he has had clear issues, but you have to give talent time. It’s not like we have Mark Sanchez throwing the ball into the ground.
See that's a good point
I think Gabbert this year looks a lot better than Sanchez did his rookie year. And I still don’t necessarily think that Sanchez is all that, but no one gave up on Sanchez and he’s definitely good enough to get them deep into the playoffs. And I definitely think Gabbert has more upside than Sanchez.
they didn't give up on Sanchez because he is the winning qb.
Just watch Houston next year and the controversy between Yates and Schaub. It’s a coming.
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Lefevour
Shouldn’t Lefevour get a chance before the season is over?
See my post below.
If Lefevour who has not had a chance to play with the Jaguars is a “career backup” what is Gabbert?
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
a kid who needs a complete offseason with legit coaching
Gabbert’s attributes are head and shoulders above LeFevour.
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You can't coach poise
Let’s play Lefevour and then make a comparison. I would expect Lefevour could generate more than -23 net yards passing in 3 quarters. Paper attributes like this, would have left Drew Brees on the bench. It’s game performance that counts.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
if he could, don't you think he'd be in there?
Tucker is coaching for his job. There’s a reason LeFevour, and I really liked him coming out of college, has not done much if anything since he came into the league.
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If Gabbert is going to prove he belongs, he will have to do it from the bench. Maybe in a few years he will get it together but we have to move on. This is a critical time for the Jags and we can’t afford to tie ourselves to a potential Ryan Leaf.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Dec 16, 2011 7:35 PM EST reply actions
As someone mentioned before, under the new CBA these kids cost less. Teams can cut a 1st rounder and not blink an eye.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Dec 16, 2011 8:52 PM EST reply actions
yeah, but who's to say we won't be in the same boat.
Look, this year is a wash. He has played at best average, but mostly subpar. What guys like Brian and Move seem to think is that there is no hope or chance for improvement. How else can you say he was receiving shit coaching all year and his receivers were getting shittier coaching.
A fair and honest evaluation of Gabbert will have to come next year. The kid is just too much of a physical specimen who has the tools to just shit can after 14 games of a truncated season.
If he still displays a lot of the same characteristics in preseason and then in the regular season, then there is cause for concern. Hell as much as he’s been sacked and hit this year, I’m shocked he hasn’t missed time.
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Logic is not allowed here
Don’t you know if we just draft RG3/M. Barkley or trade for Luck or Tebow everything will be fixed. Our WRs who would be unemployed will suddenly turn into Jerry Rice circa 1985 and our Pro Bowl TE will suddenly remember why he went to the Pro Bowl. Also the O-Line will learn that in pass blocking it’s a good idea to hold your block for more than 1.5 seconds
The Issue
Is Lefevour better than Gabbert? He may be a T.J. Yates ready for his chance. Are the Jaguars a meritocracy or are positions determined by salaries?
Really?
what makes you think he’d do any better?
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
Gabbert's had a few months with the playbook. LeFevour has had a few weeks
what makes you think he could do better?
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See your comments above
an offseason with legit coaching. Then make a comparison. I have a friend who went through the combine with Lefevour and said he was the best QB at the combine. Give him a chance.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Colts, Bears and now Jags have given him a chance
and he has yet to see the field in a regular season game.
He did not throw at the Combine if memory serves and that kinda hurt him
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Pretty sure
Yates’ success has to do with that offense being made around the idea of throwing the ball 400 times a year and having actual WRs who can catch a pass
If you talk to Texans fans
They dont think anybody outside of Johnson is good, and he’s been out this whole time.
Frankly, no
For this position, the Jaguars will waste 3 years trying to justify a $12M investment before playing a minimum salary player who is a better player. Remember Matt Jones. ’Tis the rich what get the pleasure, ’tis the poor what get the blame. Give Lefevour a chance, then we can make bona fide comparisons instead of wishful prophecies.
There is no reason to give him a chance
He is the backup to the backup to a person who was the third-QB after preseason.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
he could not beat our Orlovsky, Painter or Hanie
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Can he beat out Gabbert? That is the question.
Orlovsky, Painter, and Hanie could beat out Gabbert today.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Even though Gabbert outplayed Painter a few weeks back?
far be it for me to accuse you of trolling but seriously, what’s with the LeFevour love?
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There's no agenda,
Just trying to improve on -23 yards in 3 quarters.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
you're exactly right
they should benched Gabbert and thrown in Dan.
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Dan was on inactive
First step is putting him on the active roster.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
And have 3 QBs active for one game?
Waste of space.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
if he belonged, he'd be there
(must stay in Xmas spirit)!!!
I’m trying hard to not say something mean spirited
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also
give Gabbert Addai, Wayne, Garcon and Clark and I think he’d be putting up better #s than he has here.
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We already have
a Pro Bowl RB, Pro Bowl TE, and a D3 receive from Mount Union.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
We have a Pro Bow RB...
… a TE who has Pro Bowl talent that has lacked much of the year and a bunch of receivers who would stretch to make the practice squad elsewhere.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Our Receivers
would be fortunate to make the practice squad of most teams. They certainly could not make the active roster. They spend most of their time on the IR.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
What do I say to that?
you’re teetering on foolish. Wayne and Garcon would run circles around anyone we have. MJD is better than Addai, no doubt. Clark when healthy is a different TE than Lewis.
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Gabbert has weapons
Isn’t Wayne a FA after this season?
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
My Lord!
what weapons has he had to count on all year?
I count 1.
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Regretably, you are correct
Most of our weapons have been duds.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Gabbert has the equivalent to rubber band guns
Sans MJD, of course. He’s a WMD.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 16, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
See WR dont really matter??
It mostly the QB. Wayne hasnt made Painter look good at all, its not his fault. Painter just suck. So if you looked at the stats you would think Wayne got worse this year, but he didnt. It was the QB who sucked it up. Manning was able to win with no name receivers too last year after all the injuries the Colts got. Its the QB not the WR.
by ecuajags on Dec 17, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LeFevour has a chance every practice
if he flashed the coaches would take note.
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Yes
Mel Tucker, who is coaching for a head coaching job in 2012, is purposefully tanking the team in hopes that no one will want the job with Gabbert as the QB then when Mr. Khan asks him to coach because no one else will, he can start LeFevour in 2012 and the Jags will go 19-0 and we can have our own auto-tune “All He Does Is Win” song
Irvin was out with a torn ACL Aikman's rookie year
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Let's imagine that Gene Smith does the following:
In the draft he adds Matt Barkley with the 7th overall pick. He gets up on the podium and says:
"We’ve always approached the draft with a ‘best available player’ approach. We had a chance to add an extremely talented player at a key position so we jumped on it. Between Matt and Blaine, there will be an open competition. Through OTA’s and training camp we’ll decide who gives us the best chance to win and go with that person. Since Blaine has a year in this offense, he’ll have a distinct advantage and will get a greater percent of the snaps in practice."
"As a team, the more talent you have, the better your team will be. Period. We just wanted to add talent to our roster."
Here’s a genuine question: Would you buy that? Is than an acceptable course of action to you?
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Not me.
Asw I have said before, you do that and Gabbert is done as a Jaguar. You don’t draft a guy top 10 and then draft another QB top 10 the very next year.
I’m not too worried about it, though…I believe there is zero chance we take a QB in the first 3 rounds.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
I just can't believe Brian thinks he is already as good as he's gonna get.
then he cites Mike Lombardi’s evaluation. Talking heads are PAID to deal in absolutes and hyperbole.
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Look...
Name one QB who’s gone from worst in the league to be anywhere near good. Worst as in 32nd best QB rating on the team that has the 32nd ranked passing attack.
If you can give me one name than maybe I’ll give up my campaigning for a new QB.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Garrard
Went from being a mere backup to potentially a starter then went back to being a backup. Then leftwich was sent away and Garrard had his best season ever.
Players can improve if given a chance and get at least some resemblence of support around them.
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by TheTealDeal on Dec 17, 2011 2:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Being a backup doesn't mean you're the worst...
It just means you’re not chosen to start. There are plenty of backups who make good.
There aren’t any starters who go from the worst QB out there to become an effective starting QB. That’s what I’m saying.
Just bring in some competition. And I don’t mean like Luke McCown competition, I mean Chad Henne, Matt Hasselbeck, Alex Smith (only guys I can think of who might be available) type competition, maybe a rookie if the right guy is there. QB is too important a position to have all of our eggs in one basket.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
The future is Gabbert
It’s about time to get with it because the only thing you can do now with this debate is to further piss others off with a constantly, negative opinion. I’m not saying your wrong for asking the question, but you are wrong in thinking he’s the only problem or that he can not improve at all.
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by TheTealDeal on Dec 18, 2011 8:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And furthermore
I wouldn’t want any of the guys you just mentioned to start. None of them are any good and Gabbert hasn’t had much of a chance to prove he’s better than them.
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by TheTealDeal on Dec 18, 2011 8:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
... I hate bringing up Troy Aikman again, but it is easy to. 1989:
0-11 155/293 (52.9%) 1749 Yards, 9 TDs and 18 INTs. 55.7 QB rating. (6 fumbles)
Gabbert (through 12 games as starter):
3-9 178/352 (50.6%) 1924 Yards, 11 TDs and 10 INTS with 8 fumbles. QB rating of 65.6
Now, not positive if Aikman was the worst, but he was really bad.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 17, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
He was last in the league.
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
--George Patton--
And John Elway was next to last his rookie year.
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
--George Patton--
For every Troy Aikman...
There’s a Brady Quinn.
And a David Carr.
And a Vince Young.
And a Kyle Boller.
And a JP Losman.
And a Matt Leinart.
And a Joey Harrington.
And… Well, you get the picture.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
But the point is,
You dont know what your gona have complete unless you give them real time and real coaching and actually see what their gona produce you cant see that in one year, and thats what your trying to do, thats what is pissing everyone off about your opinion, and your hate for gabbert because you were ready to jump ship before he even took a snap.
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
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You know what?
You’re right everyone deserves a second chance, which is why the Jaguars should seriously pursue Jimmy Clausen. He only had one year, he could still be the next Tom Brady right?
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
I give you credit for finding the guy tho.
Good research.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
If guys like...
Troy Aikman
Joe Namath
Jim Plunkett
Drew Bledsoe
John Elway
Phil Simms
Terry Bradshaw
Dan Fouts
Eli Manning
Donovan McNabb
Randall Cunningham
…all struggle their rookie seasons why are we ready to give up on Blaine Gabbert. Especially since if any quarterback has reasons why they would struggle Gabbert has all of them. Seriously, how could Gabbert’s situation have been set up any worse for failure?
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Namath, Plunket, Bradshaw, Fouts, Cunningham, Simms… actually all these guys are from a different era except for Eli.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
Who cares?
They’re obvious examples of guys that were bad early on and good later on. I don’t care what year it was.
Follow me on Twitter
You want a list of guys who were bad early and bad later on?
I’m pretty sure that list is about five times as long.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 4:09 AM EST up reply actions
Did they all have an arm like Gabbert?
Were they all as young? Actually no, he just set a youth/starts record. Did they all have teams as bad? Or no offseason?
Steve DeBerg - San Francisco
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you are now venturing into being a complete horse's ass.
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Venturing?
This is what Brian does man. Once his point is demolished, it delves into nonsensical hyperbole because the kid doesn’t know his ass from his elbow.
by Alfie Crow on Dec 18, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
off topic
The Gordon Biersch Winter Sampler is incredible! Got it at Winn Dixie the other day.
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And then after that point, he tells you he's simply playing Devil's Advocate
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If we did not address the receiving corps or bolster the line through Free agency, then odds are we'd be in the same exact position
and Barkley would be hurt.
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That's not true
Don’t you know it’s Gabbert’s fault that we have the worst WR corps in the NFL and it’s Gabert’s fault the O-Line struggles at pass blocking. If we draft Barkley or RG3 everything will fix itself
what is done against a practice squad in training camp
and what is done in a game are 2 different things
can't we just pave over kansas?
I dont understand?
Why are we idiots for simply stating the Gabbert is struggling a lot right now? It’s obvious to anyone that he is the major cause for our anemic offense. I’m not saying we should run him out of town. I’ll give him another year, but we all have to admit that he needs to improve dramatically for him to be a good QB. Stop being such homers.
We ALL know he's struggling. We can see it with our own eyes!
But some folks ARE saying run him out of town. namely the guy who wrote this fanpost.
He is a major cause for the offensive struggles but hardly the only one. Hell, McCown can’t get out of his own way when running it.
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I haven't seen anyone who has suggested otherwise
For some reason, I think some people haven’t really read all of our responses.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 19, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
What I think
Do you really want to go through another year with a rookie QB? Man, some of you are gluttons for punishment.
I’m one for giving him another year and here is why.
Gabbert was ranked very high on a lot of teams draft boards, because he has a strong arm and is a smart guy. He came from a spread quick read offense not a pro style. It was noted that he would have been best served sitting behind a veteran QB. I believe the plan was for him to sit behind Garrard this year. Unfortunately that didn’t happen. He was thrown into an offense that was designed as a run first offense with a line whose talents best suited for just that. The pass blocking skills of our o-line have also been very sub-par. He was given very little audible powers and ability to call out line protection shifts. The receivers around him have been horrible this year. Dropped passes, inability to get any separation, and at times even running into each other leaving the line of scrimmage. One of the biggest mistakes the team made was not having a QB coach with any experience coaching up a rookie QB.
With that said, I am not holding Gabbert completely unaccountable. He has looked shaky in the pocket and made plenty of rookie mistakes, but the deck was really stacked against him this year. I’m sure the above issues will be addressed in the offseason and hopefully we will see a much better performance out of our QB
I think we will be best served drafting some offensive weapons and protection this year instead of another QB. If Blaine does not work out next year then we will have the pieces in place for a new QB. Its not going to do any good to put another rookie QB behind the receivers and line we have now.
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Give him one full off-season and coach him up and the sky’s the limit, he has the arm, he just needs better pocket presence!!
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