Jaguars Get Embarrassed On National Television By Falcons
by Alfie Crow on Dec 16, 2011 5:00 PM EST
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The Jacksonville Jaguars were riding high, coming of a 41-14 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It was a game that saw the Jaguars come back from a 14 point deficit to score 41 unanswered points. On Thursday Night Football against the Atlanta Falcons, it was the Falcons who scored 41 unanswered points on the Jaguars.
On the opening drive, the Falcons offense went right down the football field with ease, scoring a touchdown. The Jaguars offense failed to respond to much of anything in the first half, as they found themselves down 27-0 at halftime. "Right now, this is a very embarrassing loss," running back Maurice Jones-Drew said. "I think our lack of execution hurt over and over again. We felt that our game plan was solid enough, but we just didn't execute enough."
Not only did the Jaguars on execute on both sides of the ball, but they also turned the ball over. "Any time you go on the road against a good football and turn the ball over and you're not able to protect the quarterback consistently enough and the defense isn't able to stop the run like we need to and get off the field on third down, it's going to be a tough day," interim coach Mel Tucker said after the game. The Jaguars turned the ball over four times, three times by rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert, who had one of the worst nights of career. Gabbert fumbled the ball getting sacked twice, losing it both times. One of the fumbles was returned for a touchdown. Gabbert was also picked off after a pass to tight end Marcedes Lewis was tipped in the air.
"I've just got to get rid of the ball," Gabbert said after the game. "I can't take those sacks and those fumbles. That's completely on me. I've got to find our checkdowns, find our hot reads and get rid of it." At halftime, the Jaguars had just a single yard of net passing, because of the sacks Gabbert had taken.
It was a collective failure, all around. There were turnovers on special teams, defensive breakdowns, offensive turnovers, protection issues, quarterback issues, etc. etc.
It's a game the team and fans will have to stew over for while, because their next game isn't for 10 days, when the team travels to take on the Tennessee Titans.
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Collective failure. Thank you.
Let’s not lay it all on Blaine. What’s kind of interesting is that some of the people who were defending Garrard like crazy are Gabberts biggest critics. Let’s give Gabbert the same amount of time…
Fidelis Ad Mortem
Time? Yes.
The same amount? No. Garrard benefitted from a lack of competition at the position. I doubt Blaine is given that same luxury.
Somehow...
I made it through the entire game. The only things I came away pleased with was how hard the defense kept playing even when they had to know we had no chance of coming back, how hard MJD was running, the blocked punt by Osgood and Whimper getting pulled for Bradfield. I especially enjoyed the blocked punt because Osgoods face afterwords said it all because he looked pissed. Everybody on the Jaguar sideline had to feel embarrassed and that block was the only thing they had to salvage some of the pride they had coming into the game.
The only thing I couldn’t figure out was why DuJuan Harris couldn’t keep his footing. He tripped at least three times.
I wondered the same thing.
I was amazed on one of his carries where he got the handoff, ran full speed to his hole (which was covered mind you), then stop suddenly and juke to his left. It was really impressed seeing that kind of footwork…… Then he slipped and fell again. maybe he was just nervous.
by JagSoldier on Dec 16, 2011 5:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It happens
when you don’t touch the ball a lot. You try to do too much. When you get in a rhythm you see less of that.
I can see that.
But it happened on the kickoff returns too. I thought it was the turf but no one else had that problem. So I’m going to agree with you and say it was a rhythm thing. It just sucks for him that he won’t get much of a chance to get past it this year because I really do believe the organization is out to get MJD the rushing title. It’s the least that could happen considering how the season has played out.
My only question is this
There seen to be people on BCC, one in particular, that want Gabbert to fail because of prior thoughts. No one thinks Blaine is playing well, but when people post about how bad he is and how right they were it doesn’t make sense. You can point out flaws but you shouldn’t be all out against a guy, now if he wasn’t working or had a bad attitude it’s different. Blaine works hard and is going to try to get it better, and you are a true Jags fan you’re going to root for him.
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 16, 2011 5:27 PM EST reply actions
Let's not confuse the two
Nobody wants Blaine to struggle. Seriously, nobody does (not even Brian). We all want the same thing- the Jags to win and become a great team.
It’s my and others’ opinion that based on the past 12 games, Gabbert plays like a terrible undrafted free agent, and does not have the presence, footwork, or accuracy to succeed. It’s hard to argue he has played any better than someone like Tyler Palko or Caleb Hanie. My biggest fear is that the Jags stick with Gabbert for 3 years to wait for him to “develop” while not bringing in anyone to compete with him in the draft, because in my head, that means 3 terrible seasons like this one.
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by flexman32 on Dec 16, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
When the going gets tough...
Losing has an effect on people…usually not positive.
I know Alfie
Garrard was a definite top 3 QB
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 16, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Don't act like you didn't push Gabbert on us
Just man up and admit that Sunshine isn’t good enough for the spotlight this year.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 4:08 AM EST up reply actions
So you'll admit he's played terribly?
And the team has struggled this year because he’s started at quarterback?
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
The reason I came off as so violently “pro-Garrard” is that my assessment of Gabbert was that he would struggle mightily in his first year. I wasn’t wrong. Gabbert’s played badly.
Now that that’s happened, I don’t care about Garrard. His time is done. I just don’t want Gabbert, because I don’t really see a way that keeping him would make this team into a consistent contender.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 4:09 AM EST up reply actions
You were violently “pro-Garrard” before Gabbert was even drafted, so much so you went on and on about how a QB didn’t need to be drafted early. Good try, though.
Gabbert has played badly, I don’t see many people disagreeing with that. It’s just hilarious to see you run him out on a rail after 12 games while refusing to accept the same excuses you pandered while Garrard was here.
what excuses did I use for Garrard?
I said he was better than people give him credit for and that having an average QB is nothing to scoff at.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Where have I said the current WRs are good?
I’ve said receivers don’t matter nearly as much as the QB. I still think that’s 100% true.
The difference this year is that Gabbert can’t throw the ball accurately and can’t handle the pressure.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
You’re really going to claim you didn’t use the offensive line and receivers as an excuse for Garrard’s poor play Brian? Really?
I didn't use them as excuses.
They explained why Garrard was an average QB and not a great QB maybe, but it was never making an excuse for the worst QB in the league.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Call it whatever you want...
I can say that this year’s O-line and WRs “explain” why Gabbert is the worst QB in the league.
The point is still that “Gabbert is the worst QB in the league.”
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
The question isn't will he get better? It's will he ever be good?
Cuz let’s face it, he could get a lot better and still barely qualify as a passable QB.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I also said that the 2011 QB class was overrated.
That’s why I wanted to wait until 2012, which was supposed to be a better QB class.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
And the 2008 class was overrated, the 2009 class was better.
And the 2009 class was overrated, the 2010 class was better.
And the 2010 class was overrated, the 2011 class was better.
And the 2011 class was overrated, the 2012 class is better.
The next class is always “better”.
... Except in this case it's legitimately true
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Luck looks better than anybody who came out last year
and Barkley and RG3 are pushing him for the role of “top college QB.”
We’ll see how the 2011 and 2012 classes play out, but I would rather have taken a QB this coming year than last year, not based on history and expectations, but based on the players available.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Can't be as bad as Gabbert's been...
Or have you not heard Mike Lombardi? To paraphrase:
In my 20-plus years in the NFL, I don’t think I have seen a high first-round pick look as scared or as out of place as Blaine Gabbert. The game looks entirely too big for him… His play was embarrassing, considering he was a top 10 pick… I thought he would be able to adjust… I readily admit my mistake.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know. So? Isn't your question the logic you always look down on?
“I can’t be sure anyone’s going to be good, so why draft anyone at all?” Right, Alfie?
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Right, you don’t know if they’ll be any good.
That’s my point. Stop pretending like it’s automatic the will be. They could be just as bad.
I don’t have a problem with the team drafting another QB. I also don’t have a problem with the team not drafting another QB. It’s called patience, get some instead of trying to pat yourself on the back.
Don't know if they'll be any good...
I know Gabbert isn’t. And the odds of going from worst to first as a QB is extremely, extremely low.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
He doesn’t have to go to first in his second season.
As I said, get some patience instead of trying to pat yourself on the back over and over.
The plan isn't to brag.
It’s to make the Gabbert supporters cover their asses instead of those calling him what he is: a huge disappointment where the odds are against him even panning out.
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by Brian Levenson on Dec 17, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Stop playing Whimper
We know what type of player he is and we should evaluate guys like Bradfield, Spitz and even Estes. It’s not as if continuity in the lineup is doing them any favors, so I would like to get a look at some of the reserve players.
Watching Bradfield yesterday
I understand why he’s not starting. He has the talent, but he’s extremely lost out there. He would ruin the run game as well as the already inept passing game.
No different than Rackley.
I understand Rackley was a 3rd round draft choice and Bradfield was an UDFA but he’s not going to get any better unless they put him out there. At this point, it’s hard to argue that Bradfield isn’t a better option than Whimper, regardless of the fact that Whimper has a superior NFL football IQ.
Rackley
is far ahead of Bradfield. Honestly I’m not gonna put my foot in the ground about the subject. I think the better response from me would be, I can see both sides as to why you start one over the other.
Very true about Rackley.
But he should be ahead of Bradfield at this point in their respective development as Rackley has been starting most of the season. And again, you’re right about seeing both sides as to start one over the other but at this point, the future should be taken into account. Starting Bradfield now to get a chance to see him in live action should be beneficial for next year so the team can get a better idea of what they have in him.
The people who determine whether Whimper or Bradfield starts
have more about which to be concerned than getting Bradfield game experience. Those guys aren’t stupid. They’re trying to win games, get holes opened for MoJo, (dare I say it?) protect Gabbert. As poorly as Whimper played last night, there’s a reason he’s starting ahead of Bradfield.
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by unhipcat on Dec 16, 2011 8:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well I'm not seeing the reason.
Other than what Ewdtrey said above about the awareness, there is really no other reason to keep him out there. At the end of the day, you have to win your one on one battles and he is getting beat far too often. I can be reasonable about him getting beat to the outside by speed rushers from time to time but when you’re getting beat to the inside too, it becomes pathetic.
well, you probably don't attend and analyze the team practices
I’m literally astounded that people will think the men whose jobs rely on this team’s performance would deliberately put on the field a less competent player while keeping on the bench one would perform better during game time.
there’s a reason the coaches are playing Whimper over Bradfield. they aren’t idiots.
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
I don't attend and analyze the practices...
but I know what I’m seeing on gameday. I also know the coaches aren’t idiots and wouldn’t purposely put a less competent player on the field. But in this case of Whimper vs. Bradfield starting at right tackle, competence isn’t the issue here, talent is. As we’ve already discussed, Whimper does have a superior football IQ than Bradfield because he has more experience but he isn’t showing that he has the talent to win his one on one battles with enough frequency. From what I’ve seen of Bradfield, he does appear to have that talent just not the experience to match Whimper. It’s apparent that the coaches place a higher value on the experience over the raw talent in this situation and that’s fine because I’m not the one the one making the call. Lastly, as we seen against the Falcons, even if you outperform a player in practice and then play badly during the game, you will be replaced. It gets to a point where practice isn’t the best option to evaluate a player. Sometimes you have to wait and see how they perform against another opponent when it really matters.
And one day, maybe very soon,
it will reach the tipping point where Bradfield (or someone else) takes Whimper’s place. I think just about everyone whose last name isn’t Whimper would like to see that happen.
That’s certainly not meant as a cheap shot against the man. I respect that he’s out there every day trying to help this team win.
But let’s face it, some NFL players are better than others.
The trick is to get more of those better players on your roster than other teams have on theirs. It’s a process, and I think the Jags are on their way getting there.
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
I agree 100%...
with everything you just said.
Perspective
Remember Gabbert is four years (and 2 full college seasons) removed from being a high school QB. He’s only 21. He should have stayed at Missouri another year. It’s unfortunate that his physical skills outweigh his maturity and level of experience. This leads to unreasonable expectations. If he could play behind a solid QB, like Rodgers did with Favre, you would see a different QB in 3 years. Unfortunately, Gabbert will receive his on the job training the hard way. By the way, what’s the word on Lefevour?
In Gene We Trust
Is he better than Gabbert? How do you know that he isn’t? Can he generate more than -23 yards in passing offense in 3 quarters? Give the kid a chance. That’s the American way.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Perspective?
You want to replace our 10th pick overall QB of the future with a 6th rounder cut by two teams and picked up off the Colts practice squad where he was benchwarming two places behind Curtis Painter on the depth chart?
Yet you wouldn’t draft a much better QB in the first round?
What could of happened; did.
Khan needs to start with a clean slate and not be saddled with what Wayne Weaver left him. Get a new coach, new GM and a new QB all in one year. Turn the roster on its head and be done with this failed rebuilding process of Gene’s. Thanks for the excellent defense Mel, and good night!
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Dec 16, 2011 7:49 PM EST reply actions
I don't see the point in doing that.
As a successful business man that is entering a new type of business that he is not familiar with, the best thing I think he could do is seek the knowledge of experienced professionals in the realm of football outside of the organization. If after consulting with whoever and giving it serious thought, he thinks that’s the best thing to do, then so be it. Honestly, I don’t think this rebuilding process has been a failure, the cards just didn’t play themselves out how everyone involved intended them to.
I agree to a certain extent. I think he should try to find a person from outside the organization who can look at it objectively. a new pair of eyes. at this point im not sure the vision of WW and Gene are what this franchise needs anymore. im not saying shit can everyone right away, and for Khan not to take the current staffs reccomendations. but the fact is that this team is struggling across the board. it needs fresh blood in the front office, just as we needed new blood in ownership.
Gabbert's pretty much sucked this year
He’s consistently had the worst rating in the league. He’s missed receivers high, low, behind and beyond. He’s often left the pocket (when it’s there) when he didn’t have to. He apparently doesn’t have a good for the rush, nor does he protect the ball well when he scrambles or gets sacked. He’s admitted he needs a lot of work on his progressions and knowing when to get rid of the ball.
All that being said, those are traits that are teachable.
He has good physical skills and by all reports has a good understanding of the offense puts in a lot of hours studying film.
Although we didn’t know it back then, this season was a bust in training camp. We weren’t making the playoffs no matter happened.
To suggest we jettison Gabbert now is unrealistic on so many levels. Only time will tell if he’s the answer. That and competent coaching, blocking and receiving. Regardless of how difficult this season has been on US (eye roll), I think it bodes well for the future of the Jags in Jax.
I’d much rather have Gabbert facing bullets on the field than holding a clipboard on the sideline.
I just came back from the future, and it is good. (that’s all I’ll say because I don’t want to spoil the surprise)
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
by unhipcat on Dec 16, 2011 9:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I knew at the beginning of the season
this would happen if we started Gabbert from the start. lol
I don’t think people realize how much 4-10 hurts until it happens. This is what I wanted to avoid by letting sit on the bench for a year, just to get the offense down a least, then next year he could worry about improving his pocket awareness and etc.
by Ewdtrey on Dec 16, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tony Boselli
Khan should offer Boselli a front-office position to provide him with independent advice. I don’t think Gene Smith is in a position to be independent and objective.
Objective advice
Can’t hurt when you are unfamiliar with a subject. If you don’t like Boselli, try Lageman.
by three finger on Dec 16, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not gonna say he can recognize talent
but I’m sure he can tell when someone isn’t getting his job done.
maybe he can bang heads for Khan
oh, wait.. .Shad said he can do that himself.
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
I didn't think we really stood a chance in this game
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