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Analyzing and breaking down the play of Blaine Gabbert is all the rage right now. All the cool kids are doing it.

In recent years sports blogging has taken off and the average NFL fan has transformed into an analyzing machine. Everyone has an opinion about every player and is quick to go to the computer to voice it. The easiest position to formulate an opinion about is the quarterback position and this has led to a tremendous amount of Gabbert analysis.

Everyone has created an idea in their head about the type of quarterback that Gabbert is and will be in the future, and is quick to look for any shred of game-day evidence to back their point and allow them to say "I told you so."

The culture of instant criticism has led me to wonder what the reactions would have been to the rookie seasons of some of the NFL's other quarterbacks had there been the same opportunity to hyper-analyze as there is today.

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With quarterbacks like Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell and many more examples, there's always the chance that unsuccessful rookie years are just the first of many poor years to come for draft flops. There are also plenty of examples of quarterbacks who struggled their rookie season only to turn their careers around and rise to the elite tier of the NFL quarterbacks.

Here's a list of quarterbacks that struggled their rookie season and developed into good NFL quarterbacks (five of whom are now Hall of Famers).

Year Team Player Comp % Yds/G TD INT Record
1993 Patriots Drew Bledsoe 49.9% 191.8 15 15 5-7
1965 Jets Joe Namath 48.2% 170.8 18 15 3-5-1
1989 Cowboys Troy Aikman 52.9% 159.0 9 18 0-11
1979 Giants Phil Simms 50.6% 145.3 13 14 6-5
1983 Broncos John Elway 47.5% 151.2 7 14 4-6
1970 Steelers Terry Bradshaw 38.1% 108.5 6 24 3-5
1973 Chargers Dan Fouts 44.8% 112.6 6 13 0-5-1
2004 Giants Eli Manning 48.2% 115.9 6 9 1-6
1999 Eagles Donovan McNabb 49.1% 79.0 8 7 2-4
1985 Eagles Randall Cunningham 42.0% 91.3 1 8 1-3
2011 Jaguars Blaine Gabbert 50.6% 148.0 11 10 3-9

I'll reiterate what I've said over and over this season. Blaine Gabbert has struggled this years, but this isn't an unprecedented phenomenon. He joins a long list of quarterbacks that have had poor rookie seasons. In fact, his season looks a lot better than many players who went on to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Does that mean Gabbert is on a path to the Hall of Fame? No, far from it. However, it's impossible to rule out the possibility that he could become the franchise quarterback the Jaguars intend for him to be. Imagine if the Steelers had given up on Terry Bradshaw after his truly terrible rookie season. Imagine if Twitter and sports blogs existed for Steelers fans to talk about how much they want the Steelers to draft another quarterback.

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I’m more interested in knowing what Gabbert would have looked like if we’d asked him to pass more.

by Vicbow on Dec 18, 2011 4:50 AM EST up reply actions  

worse

completion percentage would plummet.

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by Joe Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice article, Adam

A bit of perspective is needed from time to time.

by Jagtastic on Dec 17, 2011 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

While those were some ugly numbers...

1970 was a very different league.

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by uclatroy on Dec 17, 2011 8:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Cut it however you want

But Bradshaw was last in the league comp. &, interceptions and QB rating in 1970.

Dennis Shaw, drafted in the 2nd round in 1970 had much better stats that year.

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by Adam Stites on Dec 17, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at it this way,

Those teams played against defenses that were geared against the run. BG plays in todays game that focuses on the passing game.

by JagSoldier on Dec 18, 2011 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

or look at it this way...

this is a much more qb friendly league now…

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by uclatroy on Dec 18, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Two thoughts:

38.1% and 6/24 is terrible in any era. Also, 1999 and 2004 aren’t too terribly different from today’s league.

by Mahlalie on Dec 18, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes...

lots of flaws come up trying to compare qbs from back then to now. Not something that should be strongly considered.

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by uclatroy on Dec 18, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

True,

But i will compare overall success of their rookie seasons to Gabberts success. If people would rationally compare his play to those names above then they would see that theres no need to panic yet. He desrves the same time that they got before he is labeled a bust.

by JagSoldier on Dec 18, 2011 11:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Gabbert doesn't deserve anything.

Is he a bust? No, not yet. But looking forward he should be judged as how likely will he end up a successful starting qb, and is there a significant preference going forward between him and say a RG3 or Barkley.

To me, I wouldn’t bet on him not being a bust, and would much rather having one of those other two qbs going forward. I’d hate to see 2003 repeat itself all over again.

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by uclatroy on Dec 19, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

True,

But i will compare overall success of their rookie seasons to Gabberts success. If people would rationally compare his play to those names above then they would see that theres no need to panic yet. He desrves the same time that they got before he is labeled a bust.

by JagSoldier on Dec 19, 2011 6:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good stuff!

Give the kid some weapons and an off-season.

by Thirtyditz on Dec 17, 2011 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

+1

Drew Brees: 76.9-105.9
*Although he was drafted in 2001.
Also, if you can try to watch the few games Aaron Rodgers played in during 2005 and 2006 you’ll notice he looked pretty freaking bad.

by Adam Bealyer on Dec 17, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point, but you can't dismiss passer rating

Passer rating is a good determinant of team success- hence Aaron Rodgers 123 passer rating is the best passing offense, Gabbert’s 66 rating is the worst.

It’s not the end-all be-all, but the point that QBs don’t radically improve is still sound.

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by flexman32 on Dec 17, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The rating that means the most is wons and losses

and yes I know what that means.

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by Joe Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

That Tim Tebow's a better QB than Gabbert?

Sorry, figured I’d say it before someone that actually believes jt says it.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo, lol

He actually had about 3 good throws today, though everything else looked like garbage. I will definitely give him this…I’ve never seen a guy throw such an ugly ball so accurately.

by Mr.Awesome on Dec 18, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Figured I'd beat folks to the punch

That being said, Tebow is similar to Gabbert in that there simply is not enough of a sample size to measure what they are and will be.

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by Joe Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It should also be noted that Sanchez, Manning and Smith's teams have improved greatly in that time

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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure, but who would you rather have? Matt Cassel in NE’s offense or Tom Brady anywhere else?

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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

So since Gabbert is struggling to do well in his rookie year with a horrible cast...

We’re going to compare him to Tom Brady and say he looks poor by comparison? Nice.

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by Adam Stites on Dec 18, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Not comparing him to anyone.

I’m asking if you’d rather have an average QB with a great surrounding cast or a quarterback good enough that it doesn’t matter who you put around him.

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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Obviously the latter

But if you’re suggesting Gabbert is bad because he’s not doing what Tom Brady does with a subpar surrounding cast that’s ridiculous.

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by Adam Stites on Dec 18, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Obviously the latter,

so let’s not settle for what we have, but search for the next Tom Brady.

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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Your argument doesnt hold water.

Granted over his career none of his WRs have been elite, maybe other than an old Moss and Welker but Brady hasn’t had the lack of talent at the position like we have had. You don’t hear DBs making a mockery out of his group despite then being just okay. So I don’t share the opinion that you could put Brady with our WRs and expect the same from him. I think Brady would look very pedestrian with our guys. Its also funny hearing these guy talk like QB just does everything. You still need guys who will run crisp routes and catch the ball.

by Slvrgun on Dec 18, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

but the Jags are getting crucified for the one shot they did take since 2003

And you want to get rid of him like a Prom night dumpster baby.

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by Joe Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember guys, Brian was just fine with David Garrard.

What’s good enough at one time isn’t at another.

by Alfie Crow on Dec 18, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If I thought he would be a David Garrard, that'd be fine.

I’m saying based on what I’ve seen, I don’t believe he will be, and I want the team’s collective ass covered in case he doesn’t pan out.

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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Garrards biggest supporters

Are Gabberts biggest detractors. Funny how that works

by JohnnyBiceps on Dec 18, 2011 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm sure you could extrapolate this over all of NFL history and get the same result

I don’t think the phenomenon of QBs not improving after rough rookie seasons is a new thing. I’d be willing to bet your 3:13 ratio would be pretty similar to the full ratio of all QBs ever drafted in the 1st round improving.

You can just go ahead and say that all QB’s don’t improve over time because a lot of the time, they don’t. You can even say most of the time they don’t, but some do. That’s the point.

If there’s examples of talented QBs who struggled mightily their first year and turned into Hall of Famers, it’s hard for me to understand giving up on Gabbert. Especially considering the circumstances he’s facing.

By the way, why do we ignore Matt Stafford and Josh Freeman here? 61-93 and 60-73 for those two. That bumps your ratio to 5:15.

And it’s hard to quantify what the numbers would look like had guys like Aaron Rodgers or Phillip Rivers started as rookies.

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by Adam Stites on Dec 18, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

my point in all of this is that instincts don't change...no matter how much you want to hope that they do

which directly reflects what you see with these quarterback ratings Flexman32 is refering too. A quarterback can become more experienced. They can learn the playbook better.. gain a better understanding of the offence.. can improve situational football (clock management choices) .. when to throw the ball away. But Gabbert isn’t really having issues in those areas… it is only one big fat glaring one that really can’t be improved on.. and that is a instinctive one…

I don’t think i have ever seen a anyone in sports in my 38 years go from one extreme to the other in a instinctive trait. Not a basketball player handling the football better… not a hitter in baseball all of a sudden turn into a home run hitter… not a running back gaining better vision… there are just certain things you can’t all of a sudden improve on if you don’t have a knack for it. I just don’t expect too see him in a crowded pocket calm and focus down field and throwing stepping up transfering his weight and following through (fearlessly)…… not any time soon.. it really isn’t a measure of skill or something he can practice.. because if it was just a matter of skill he would be a 10 time probowler.. it is the instinctive things that just don’t click….how do you practice that….

This really transends concerns about passing rating and all these concerns about talent around him . I don’t see how anyone can see past this issue before evaluating anything else. To me it all begins and ends between the time the balls is snapped and before he even decides to begin his throw.. if that wasn’t the issue then i would simple say “ahh he is just a rookie”

by Shankdiddy on Dec 18, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No

t a basketball player handling the football better

i meant basketball el oh el

by Shankdiddy on Dec 18, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Now i am just refering too the moment the ball is snapped till the moment he decideds to pass.
So what would you do if a four man eush is constantly blowing your line up.

you expect it to be tough for your quarterback. But after reviewing film of him there are chances to avoid rushers but he can’t see it

Really this is the same concept of a running back not getting any yards and everyone blaming the line. Then you put in another runner and that runningback starts making plays.

In a nutshell everyone is saying he needs to have the ideal situation in order to have a chance. This is the very thing that is killing me. Because even if he doesn’t get any blocking at all you should still see moments in the game where he makes a play. Cam Newton has been sacked 6 times less than Gabbert and is under constant pressure on top of not having a defence to give the ball back to him… he goes 10 minutes without the football because the defence can’t get the ball back.

Gabbert simply doesn’t have the instinctive skills to respond to pressure. Sometimes you will get pressured. Does that mean the play is over and there is no hope to make a positve play?… it shouldn’t

I am not refering to numbers…i am NOT refering to quarterback rating. Not as much as i am refering to play making. A skill he has proven he doesn’t have in the face of pressure… and sorry don’t expect Gabbert to be placed into this happy place where there is not defenders that will ever touch him.. and to have recievers all he has to do is throw it up and its a TD…. Gabbert has to account for making plays under pressure….. what i am saying is if you look at him he can’t do it and everyone knows it…. pressure doesn’t stop in the NFL…. look at Romo Last night vs the Bucs. Romo under heavy pressure had to move and avoid it … there will never be a perfect pocket all game long….and Gabbert has to account for that.. Stop trying make excuses for this major flaw that won’t go away… even rookie TJ Yates got away from pressure to make plays…. this senairo NEVER GOES AWAY!!!!

by Shankdiddy on Dec 18, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

point is this is a instinctively oriented skill...

that doesn’t get dramatically better.. no quarterback i have ever seen has changed that aspect of their game. Think about it who has ever improved in this area when the struggled at it. Its not like reading a defence where you can study and practice.. this is all “feel”

by Shankdiddy on Dec 18, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's insane.

You are saying that experience and work have no impact upon a person. The only way he will be able to step up (fearlessly) throwing the ball well is by practicing and becoming comfortable with his receivers and offensive line. Remember this is a guy that is 22, he spent his college career in the spread at Missouri, it doesn’t just happen.

You want a comparison?

Matthew Stafford, Year: 2009, Record: 2-8-0
Com%: 53.3 Yards: 2267 TD: 13 INT: 20 Y/A: 6.0 Y/G: 226.7

Mark Sanchez, Year: 2009, Record: 8-7-0
Com%: 53.8 Yards: 2444 TD: 12 INT: 20 Y/A: 6.7 Y/G: 162.9

Blaine Gabbert, Year: 2011, Record: 3-10-0
Com%: 50.5 Yards: 2122 TD: 11 INT: 11 Y/A: 6.0 Y/G: 151.6

Things to keep in mind. While Staffords team around wasn’t all that phenomenal, but he was throwing to Calvin Johnson too. The Jaguars have no receivers within that realm of ability. Sanchez had a good running game and great defense his rookie season. The reason his QB rating changed he isn’t throwing nearly as many INTs as TDs. Gabbert, like all QBs, need better receivers around him to really excel.

The other he needs is time. And it differs for everyone. Matt Hasselbeck needed three seasons before he began playing good football. Steve McNair needed the same. If Troy Aikman hadn’t been given two seasons he never would have been considered good, much less great.

All I am saying is have some patience and trust. Besides, if Gabbert is rock bottom, there is not where else for him to go, but up.

by Handsome Bert on Dec 25, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No, because we will have improved other areas.

If Gabbert sucks next year, oh well…we’ll be in a good position to draft a QB in 2013 with a more complete team.

by Mr.Awesome on Dec 17, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

No,

It’s a realistic worst case scenario. I do think its funny that you find what will actually happen if we keep him and don’t draft a quarterback optimistic though ;)

Why is everyone throwing a hissy fit. Again, people were complaining that we didn’t get a project player like JPP…one of those high risk/reward types with a low floor and high ceiling. Well, we did. Give him a chance to try and reach his ceiling first, geez.

by Mr.Awesome on Dec 17, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

another realistic worst case...

force pieces around Gabbert, only to pass on an elite qb. Or 2003 all over again. I am not saying they should take a qb next draft, but they shouldn’t ignore it and if they are staring at a Roethlisberger, they shouldn’t pass on him.

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by uclatroy on Dec 18, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

As i wrote in the comments section of the post I wrote earlier...

If we think we have a generation guy on our hands, we’d have to take him. You never pass THAT guy. I personally feel Luck is the only candidate for that, and if somehow Luck fell to us I’d jump all over picking him. I also don’t watch too much college until draft time replays.

But to force a QB because people are unsatisfied with one season could produce far worse results. It’s a rare thing to go back to back QBs in the first round so there’s a good chance of it pissing some people off, and could send a bad first impression from the new coach to the players.

by Mr.Awesome on Dec 18, 2011 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't want them to force it either...

but if they are looking at RG3 or Barkley when they are picking, they should take one of them if they are graded high enough. It’d be crazy to pass on them for the sole reason that they already have Gabbert.

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by uclatroy on Dec 18, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If the QB is like a 95

And we have someone else who fills at 93-94 I wouldn’t take the QB. If those next guys in line are only at around a 90 or lower, definitely take the QB. If that QB is more like a 97-98 then take the QB.

by Mr.Awesome on Dec 18, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

In your first scenario...

I take the qb without hesitation. Too important of a position to gamble on Gabbert improving. And can’t bank on being in position to take a qb early in future drafts.

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by uclatroy on Dec 18, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

strong defense and and running game is a good recipe for some wins...

thus why the Jags already have 4 this year. And I don’t imagine Gabbert will get worse.

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by uclatroy on Dec 18, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thats actually a pretty good point

If we have an excellent defense (which we seem to) and a top notch running game (certainly do) then why aren’t we getting a few more W’s? I think its an equal share between Blaine, the WRs and the streaky offensive line personally but its hard to think that this team wouldn’t have 7 or 8 wins right now if they had a better QB.

The key is improvement, which of course this thread is all about…

by jstnblke41 on Dec 19, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You can do all the analyzing you want, but Gabbert will be the starter next year. Fact is, we should be focusing on the parts around him. Give him a full off season and I think he will suprise us all.

by catfanatic on Dec 17, 2011 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

Yep

Exactly

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by TheTealDeal on Dec 17, 2011 8:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Totally agreed

We hoped for the best, but we all knew this was a possibility. Let’s check him out next season with an offseason, a (hopefully) improved receiving core, and a Whimperless O-line.

by CheapSeat on Dec 17, 2011 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

great stuff!

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by TheTealDeal on Dec 17, 2011 8:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yes, but...

Adam, what differentiates all those QB’s on your list from Gabbert is their lack of fear. Yes, they all played poorly their first year, but they didn’t play with blinding fear of getting smacked.

I pray Gabbert succeeds and they win many Super Bowls. Is it possible though to teach courage in the pocket? Can a coach teach pocket awareness? We’ll see…

by Blahblahblahjaguars on Dec 17, 2011 9:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

you must have never seen films of Bradshaw his rookie year.

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by Joe Fisher on Dec 17, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I love how many fans think they know everything. None of us do.

I seem to remember Eli Manning often getting called out for being scared of pressure early on in his career.

Trust me – many of these guys have fear. I would. It is overcoming that which Gabbert at times needs to do. Yes, he needs to be a little braver… but he is not as scared as many paint him to be. If he gets a little more help from his line and receivers, I believe we’ll see a difference.

by alwaysforgiven821 on Dec 18, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I heard Lageman say

that Troy Aikman looked like a scared kid when he played Aikman his rookie year.

by Mahlalie on Dec 18, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Well done Sir, great read.

When I watch Blaine I keep thinking back to something I heard from Steve Young. He said he was in his third year when one day he came to practice and for some reason the game slowed down. But it took time. Before that he could watch tape, do practice drops, talk a great game. But one day it just all slowed down and he could do it before he had to think about it. The game is still to fast for Blaine. But one day, with great coaching and the kind of relentless, high volume of work he seems willing to endure, it will. Fact: He is the youngest man in NFL history to have as many starts at QB as he has right now. I’m bought in, I believe the kid will get it, and when he does he will have earned it.

by cathousecrazy on Dec 17, 2011 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

Blaine is less than a year older than me.

Had no offseason. Had an offense designed for DG and a WR group that is led by Mike Thomas that may be a the 3rd best WR on most teams. He is two seasons from High School.

QB’s that fail usually lack the work ethic and Blaine has it. He has talent but he needs time to develop.

I hate when people pull this is “the society” we live in, yet, I think it applies. ESPN has a huge Tebowner and is comparing him to Brady. They have announced that Luck is the next Manning and that Gabbert is a bust. Time will tell but these things change. Eli was BAD his rookie year. He maybe one of the top 5 at least top 10 QB now. Rivers looked bad this year when his line was hurting and WR’s out.

I think that Blaine is getting to much blame personally. Not that he has been good, just the ineptness of our offense is not solely rest on the shoulders of Blaine.

by Jewasaurus on Dec 18, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point about Rivers

It is totally true, except when he played our banged up secondary. Gabbert looked decent when we were facing Tampa’s (and Atlanta’s backup) secondary too.

by CheapSeat on Dec 18, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Dec 17, 2011 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

Sometimes a bad QB is a good QB in disguise

Most of the time, a bad QB is a bad QB.

I see no reason why the team shouldn’t hedge their bets in this day of passing game sissies football and make sure there’s another QUALITY quarterback on the team in case Gabbert is not the answer. Because let’s face it, if we had a Matt Hasselbeck, a Carson Palmer or even a Matt Moore on this team, Gabbert would be on the bench studying in stead of getting his ass kicked.

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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 1:55 AM EST reply actions  

Carson Palmer?

The Raiders are in a nose dive and he’s probably thrown twice as many INT’s than Gabbert in half as many games as Gabbert.

by Jagtastic on Dec 18, 2011 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Stats lie.

Namath was middle of the pack his rookie year (14th out of 22 total QBs).
The best QB in 1970 threw for under 3,000 yards and 60% completion.

I think my job here is done, though. I’ve started a legitimate, fact-based conversation about if we really want to trust Gabbert moving forward.

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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 2:37 AM EST reply actions  

If you watched a game from 1970, you wouldn't recognize it.

This ain’t baseball. There are major differences in the sport across eras.

Plus, who was the worst QB in 1971, and how did he turn out? My point: you can cherry pick players to make your point no matter what that point is, or you can watch the guy on the field and tell me if he looks like an NFL QB or not.

Because IMO, Gabbert hasn’t put together a complete game of “NFL” quarterback play in his career.

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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

you know what's funny?

Of the quarterbacks in 1971, since folks here like to use passer rating as the end all be all, only 8 quarterbacks had a higher rating than Gabbert and only 1 broke 100.

Also, drill down your search to rookie quarterbacks who started more than 8 games. You might just be surprised that the Ryans, Roethlisbergers, Newtons, Daltons, etc. are the exception and not the norm.

And the worst 2 quarterbacks in 1971 by passer rating (minimum 200 pass attempts) were Dan Pastorini, a rookie for the Oilers, and Bobby Douglass from the Bears, who is most often compared to Tim Tebow.

2 other notable rookies (Plunkett and Archie Manning) did not qualify. BECAUSE ROOKIES TYPICALLY DID NOT START IN THE NFL BACK IN THE DAY BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT READY FOR THE SPEED OF THE GAME!!!

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by Joe Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

First off

Did anyone actually expect Gabbert to put together a complete year this year? If you did, then my friend you are an idiot. No offseason and a nonexistent training camp where most of the reps were split between Garrard and McCown. Now you get to games. You got a nonexistent WR corps who cant gain any kind of separation (which is the reason why I think the majority of the time he doesn’t thrown it). Its like they enjoy getting the anal pounding from the other teams DBs. And when these guys finally get separation, our Oline cant hold up for more than 2 seconds and Blaine gets owned in the face.

by asharp12587 on Dec 18, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not compare across generations, but within a person's career

You’re right that ’71 QBs had lower passer rating, completion %, and yards compared to passers nowadays.

However, many of the QBs at that time maintained the same level of production across their careers. For example, Adam made the point about Joe Namath completing 48% of his passes his rookie year. His career completion percentage: 50%. And his peak year was 53%.

The point being that while total attempts and yards (and wins) can vary from year to year for a specific QB, efficiency measures stay relatively constant. That’s what worries me about Gabbert.

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by flexman32 on Dec 18, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Stats lie?

But they are the basis for almost all of your arguments against him

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Dec 18, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, that headline doesn't tell the whole story. It should be:

“Many quarterbacks struggle in their rookie years:
a few of them turn out to be good players,
but the rest continue to play badly for their entire careers, dragging down whichever team starts them hoping they’ll come around.”

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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 3:20 AM EST reply actions  

Your user name should be

“I think very much inside the box and state obvious points out of context. And I hate Gabbert because he’s prettier than I am.”

by Mr.Awesome on Dec 18, 2011 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

;)

Juuuuuust messing with you

by Mr.Awesome on Dec 18, 2011 3:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I fine

with him struggling , im not fine with him playing like a Vag

by JaGator1 on Dec 18, 2011 4:24 AM EST reply actions  

What I find very admiral about Blaine Gabbery

is that he has maintained his composure throughout this horrible season. Never once has he lost his cool, showed bad body language, blamed others, reacted immaturely, threw equipment, answered inappropriately to reporters, or shown any signs of quit.
At 22 years old, to me, this kid is a winner. Ive heard more than 1 player claim that Blaine has “it”. Im going to believe them. Not some blogger who seems to have always been in a pissing match with Alfie. I am not even close to giving up on him, especially with the crap coaching we gave him.

by zoxitic on Dec 18, 2011 7:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Did you consider that the reason he never blames others...

…is that it’s often his fault?

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by Brian Levenson on Dec 18, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not often his fault

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by TheTealDeal on Dec 18, 2011 8:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

C'mon

I’m not a Blaine hater but he has more then his fair share of bad moments every game that are all on him.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 19, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

whether you really believe that or nit, it's for damn sure a welcome departure from the previous starter the past few years

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by Joe Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

From NFL.com

>>Dunta Robinson displays no overt desire to become an NFL general manager any time soon, but the Falcons cornerback didn’t hold back in his assessment of Jacksonville’s receiving corps following Atlanta’s 41-14 rout of the Jaguars.

“Those guys are (expletive) jokes,” Robinson told The Florida Times-Union on Thursday night. “Those guys couldn’t get a (expletive) receiver if it hit them in the head.”<<

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by patbert on Dec 18, 2011 7:51 AM EST reply actions  

interesting perspectives offered on this thread

as we can see, anyone can spin this in any fashion that suits there perspective – good, bad, and hopeful.

reality – Gene has assembled a garbage dump of an offensive uint – the only universally agreed upon perspective is that thier play has truley been ‘offensive’ and they have the stats to back it up. The anomoly is MJD lead in the rushing title — which I attribute to MJDs unquestioned talent more than anything else.

Blaine has been thrown into a crap situation – poor coaching, a franchise in upeveal, and virtually no talent around him (except MJD and a pro bowl TE who played like ass for a good portion of the season). The lack of training camp has not helped the situation. Blaine was also probably the least NFL ready QB taken in the first round and that cannot be overlooked either.

Blaine has flashed some potential and his best game was against the Bucs (another sorry team – but an NFL team nonetheless). It is also a true statement that he has not show much improvement as the season has progressed – seemingly for every step forward and he takes 2 steps back the next game— this cannot be denied either.

Bottom line – with the crap that surrounds him on offense, it’s very difficult to get an accurate guage of how well he can possibly be. He absolutely needs at least another season for a better evaluation but to deny his faults (such as the Lombardi anaylsis) is myopic as well. We need a massive infusion of talent on the offensive side of the ball this coming off-season. This includes both draft and FA. Gene scares me in the draft but has shown he does better in FA. I also believe that we should get another QB in the stable (not necessarliy a 1st rounder) to 1) hedge in case Blaine is indeed a bust and 2) to provide some legitimate competition for the strting position. We have seen first hand that lacking this type of in house competition is niot in our best interest as a franchise.

by OGN on Dec 18, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

To me anyway, it's not "denying his faults"

It’s understanding that he was placed in a hell of a perfect storm, realizing that he was not ready even given his physical tools.

It’s also not burying the kid after a truncated rookie season, which Brian Levenson and a few others seem to want the organization to do.

I’m sure the new OC and QB coach, whoever they are, (I am of the belief that Khan has a pretty good idea of who he is going to bring in and it’s going to shock quite a few people) have been watching film of Gabbert noting his strengths and weaknesses and coming up with a plan to break him of those bad habits.

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by Joe Fisher on Dec 18, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Off topic- Wayne Weaver adds $25 million clause if Khan moves team

If Khan moves the team in the 1st 5 years of ownership Khan must pay 25 million to charity of Weavers choice.
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by zoxitic on Dec 18, 2011 11:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

here's the deal

regardless of what some other qb did last year or back in the ‘60s
and regardless of what peter king or kuharsky or (not vince) lombardi or wiliams or the mikes or the 1010 dweebs or whomever says, it’s totally irrelevant.
i’d venture to guess they’ve been wrong on their predictions before and will be again.
this story will play out and what they think, feel or want to happen so it validates their opinions matter not one bit.
next year and the years after will demonstrate whether the pick, along with the upcoming coaches and surrounding players, turns out to be a benefit to this team.
i’m hopefully confident we’ll see improvement… but just like everyone else who expresses an opinion, we won’t know until we see it.

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by unhipcat on Dec 18, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

Mercedes Lewis better improve soon. He has to justify that big contract we gave him. Some guys just get soft after a big pay day.

by Catfanatic1979v1 on Dec 18, 2011 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

Overall,

Gabbert has played decent, compared to those on the list. The only QB on the list to have a better completion% is Troy Aikman at 52.9% and Gabbert has more Touchdowns, fewer interceptions, and more wins than a lot of these QBs. He even has more yds/g than most on the list.

It's All good!

by Hurricane8765 on Dec 19, 2011 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Puttin my 2 Cents in.

I didn’t read every post on this thread but I do know that what most fans don’t realize is that you can’t judge a quarterback by his rookie year. For the one comment I read about quarterbacks in the 2000’s, there are a lot of factors you have to factor in. Who is the quarterback throwing to? How is his O-line doing protection wise? Who is his QB’s coach? Who is his offensive Coordinator? If the Jags give Gabbert weapons to throw to, his O-line provides protection, they get him a legit QB Coach and the coordinator is calling plays that cater to the QB and Gabbert still puts up these numbers then yeah you have an argument he’s a bad QB. There is a lot more that goes in to a QB playing well than just himself.

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