Rapid Reaction: Jags Fall to Titans
by Michael Appelbaum on Dec 24, 2011 5:50 PM EST
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PrintAs I sit here in my hotel room in Nashville, there's only one word that comes to mind at this point: drained. This season of few highs and many lows on the field has me drained. Sorry for being gone the last few weeks-the laptop exploded after an overload of jaguars losses. At this point, there's a lot of buzz concerning the change in ownership, the hiring of a new coach in the near future, etc. I think everyone's excited for this offseason, there's no question about that. So here's my thoughts at this point on what has been a long season:
- This defense will be good again next year-injuries decimated them but even the backups have made some plays. It seems that they give up these touchdown drives to start the game and maybe another, but overall they play pretty stout. Just remember at this point, they are without their starting: DE, OLB, 3 CBs, FS. Off the top of my head they've lost Roth, Kampman (he should be released after the season I hope), Session, Mathis, Cox, Middleton, Lowery, amongst many others that have left them signing guys like David Jones and Morgan Trent off the street.
- Gabbert had a good game today. If you think otherwise you are mistaken. Other than a couple errant throws, overall I saw a lot of crisp passes on the money, not including the dropped passes by receivers that most often were great throws. There's no question he's progressed in some ways already from his early games and an offseason will help him a lot. On the 80 yard touchdown drive, every pass was great and that drive was one of the best of the season.
- Maurice Jones-Drew is still a stud. This guy still racks up the yards despite everyone predicting his runs and no one fearing the Jaguars' anemic passing game. I feel so bad for a guy that carries the team on his back and works hard, probably will be the NFL's rushing leader this year, and not come close to the playoffs. That's a shame.
What I think the Jaguars need to focus on in the draft: WR (like 3 or 4), C/G/T (need some young guys to help with an aging Meester and an inept Whimper), DE (pass rusher), and a return specialist.
Obviously the receivers are just awful. They should all be cut honestly. Not one guy can catch a ball consistently, run routes well, or get separation on defenders. You can't pass the ball without receivers. Gabbert can't grow too much without receivers. End of story. All in all, I'm pretty drained from this season but my hopes are still high after seeing some positives every week. A lot will depend on Khan's philosophy and the coach he hires, but I have high hopes as this season is winding down.
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i was sitting right behind him
he was on the sidelines watching all game
by Michael Appelbaum on Dec 24, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I cant wait for the off season
what do you think of Justin Blackmon, Micheal Floyd, or Alshon Jeffrey in the first round and should we get a Marvin Mcnutt or Nick Toon in the second round.
im all for double wide recievers
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Problem with our Wide recievers is that they're never wide open and they have trouble receiving the ball...
by TheTealDeal on Dec 24, 2011 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats the worst thing we can do as a team
We have other important needs and spending our first two picks on WRs is a bad idea when there are some very good DEs and OL in the second round this year. If we go out and get a pass rusher and O Lineman and miss out on a WR, then I can see that happening. We need to get a WR in the first or second coupled with a big time FA. Then get a DE, CB, or OT with our other two picks in the first two days of the draft.
I saw improvement from Dillard
He had a drop in the flats that Gabbert rocketed to him, which I think was just a mental lapse. He made some very good plays and got down field. Gabbert seems to be looking for him more often now and he is starting to make plays. He also knows how to get open, which was evident by the catch he made on the sidelines when Gabbert got out of the pocket. He doesn’t need to be returning punts, but I can see him making this team next year as our third or fourth WR, assuming we add two or three through FA and the draft. He has outplayed Thomas this year and has taken over the number 1 spot. One guy I would look at in the draft is Stephen Hill out of GT. He can make big time catches(just look at his highlight reel) and he is is a huge body that has good speed. He can have some wide open drops, but I attribute that to the fact that he only receives three or four passes a game with a terrible QB. I would assume he is coming out and he would probably be like a 4th round pick. If we go Blackmon in the 1st, he would be an excellent compliment on the outside. Just a guy for people to watch out for.
Dillard has been getting open all season
I’m just glad Gabbert started to finally throw to him. He really makes a QB’s job easier. Always working to the ball and getting separation. Had 2 drops, one of which I expect him to make. Not the one in the flats. The back shoulder pass he should have caught on the one got me upset. It’s a catch he can usually make in his sleep.
The back shoulder throw was West
Unless I’m thinking of another one
It was a different one
that was on the right side of the field. Dillard’s was on the left where he landed on the 1 yard line.
MJD
Thank You MJD for working your tail off after the surgery and short offseason to get back into Beast Mode this year. Job Well Done…
by DLWert on Dec 24, 2011 7:13 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Green it folks'
MJD for President.
Most professional, hardest working, talented man in the entire league. Yes, I am biased :P
I agree
100%
Jags fans are blessed with an amazing running back. Now let’s get him some wide receivers to take the load off his back. Go jags!
by Jdodd51208 on Dec 24, 2011 9:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
3 or 4 receivers?
No, if we keep Thomas, it’ll probably look a lot like this.
My Ideal Scenario:
1. Free Agent Sign
2. Justin Blackmon
3. Mike Thomas
4. Jarret Dillard
5. Cecil Shorts III
6. Taylor Price
Anyone interested in making money easy and quick on the interne, let me know through twitter or facebook(preferably facebook).
"thanks for hating"
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I see us keeping only three of the WRs we have now
We will probably draft two WRs even if we sign a big FA. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mike Thomas isn’t here next year. I know that sounds nuts, but we have brought in a solid amount of guys this year and Thomas hasn’t looked any better than guys like West and Dillard. He isn’t playing up to his contract and unless he is playing much better during spring training, he could be moved.
I’m telling all of you right now: The Jaguars fourth/fifth overall pick will not be a wide receiver.
Might as well go ahead and start thinking of something else. In all likelihood, the team will sign two starting wide receivers and draft another one in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Who are some of the players on your radar you think the Jags will target with 4th/5th Overall pick?
by Jags85 on Dec 24, 2011 11:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
why do you say that they won't draft a receiver with our 4th pick?
by leopold332002 on Dec 25, 2011 7:07 AM EST up reply actions
Unless it is AJ Green or Calvin Johnson, you don't draft a receiver that high
Even Julio Jones isn’t worth the 4th pick in the draft. They have to be guaranteed game changers to pick them because receivers are no where near the most valuable position on the field.
But how would you know
if you have an AJ Green or Calvin Johnson? Also, how would you know if a team didn’t value Julio Jones at #4? It’s kinda up to the team isn’t it? An there’s no rule book on when you should pick what.
Justin Blackmon is not an AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, or even a Julio Jones type receiver. That’s why.
what type of receiver are they?
and what type of receiver is he?
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Simple, they are better than he is.
by JagSoldier on Dec 25, 2011 5:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so really you don't have an answer
Hmm…what type of receiver are we looking for in the draft? The better type.
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But just in case you do have one
What makes them so much better than him? What are your criteria? I’m just asking because I’d like to know what I should be looking at when I’m saying who I think is good and who isn’t.
Ok, here look at my thought process and see where I’m screwing up. We have Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Justin Blackmon. Can we say that among the four receivers, there were three different offensive styles? Is that fair? CJ played at Georgia Tech in an option system, so it’s really not that fair to compare his stats straight up with the other three. AJ and Julio played in pro style offenses and Justin played in a wide open, high paced offense. Are those fair assumptions?
I’ll even give you Calvin Johnson is the “best” receiver of the bunch. So that leaves the remaining three. I’ll consider the last two years of each receiver’s career since Justin is just a sophomore.
Blackmon: 224 catches / 3118 yards / 35 td / 14.00 ypc
Green: 110 catches / 1656 yards / 15 td / 15 ypc
Jones: 121 catches / 1729 yards / 11 td / 14.2 ypc
But remember, Green and Jones played in a different style of offense than Blackmon. So, just to be fair, I’ll look at the other two two different ways. We can average them, or we can even combine them to make one super receiver named Grones.
Blackmon: 224 catches / 3118 yards / 35 td / 14.00 ypc
Green/Jones average: 115.5 catches / 1692.5 yards / 13 td / 14.6 ypc
Blackmon: 224 catches / 3118 yards / 35 td / 14.00 ypc
Grones: 231 catches / 3385 yards / 26 td / 29.2 ypc
Now, there is more than way to look at stats. You can look at them for what they are and say Blackmon slaughters both individually, and as an average, but is just edged out in a couple areas by Grones. Or, you can consider the context of each. You can consider things like the offense, or the conference they played in, or opposing defenses, or whatever.
But there’s no way you can look at the stats, then look at the way the guy plays and say he’s any worse than the other two. There’s nothing that says the other two is “simply” better than Justin Blackmon. Unless my logic is wrong. In that case help me out here.
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Stats in college mean absolutely nothing and using them as a basis for comparison for these players is laughable.
except when you wanna use stats, right?
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Except I never use stats to compare players in college or how they’ll project to the NFL.
Sorry, but if you think merely looking at Blackmon’s stats vs. Julio Jones some how makes them similar or is a way to compare them, you’re in over your head. It doesn’t. It means nothing when making an evaluation for the NFL.
sure
we’ll see next time you use stats
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if i wouldn't have used any stats
you would have a completely different argument just for the sake of disagreeing. stats in college are useless? Stats in college put your name on somebody’s board. Stats in college determine award winners. Stats in college help fuel that speculation which results in the NFL draft.
sorry man, if he had 10 catches for 50 yards and 2 touchdowns I have a hard time believing any NFL team would look at him. Stats do mean something. To think otherwise is ridiculous.
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Stats in college don’t put your name on someone’s board.
That statement alone will end this conversation, because you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about in regards to how NCAA players are looked at by NFL scouts/talent evaluators.
ok break it down for me
how to scouts no where to go ’scouting"?
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just saying
since you know so many scouts and I obviously have the wrong idea. Tell me how scouts know where to go looking for talent?
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In other words
you can’t support your argument
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There’s no need to support an argument when the other person won’t even except that it’s viable, and dismisses it out right that the person would just change it the other way around given a different set of circumstances.
i'm telling you right now on the spot
if you tell me who nfl scouts start looking for talent and it has nothing to do with stats, i will adopt your point of view. no further arguments.
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Tell me why Jordan White isn’t in play for a top 10 pick and why Justin Blackmon is.
Then we’ll see where we can go from there.
I never said he wasn't
ok, now I’m ready
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Why is Jordan White a potential top 10 pick?
by Alfie Crow on Dec 26, 2011 10:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I never said he was
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I'm not trying to double talk you
or whatever, I’m just saying that I have no idea what anybody’s board looks like so I can’t say if he’s a top 10 pick or not. I know what you’re getting at by specifically Jordan White, but final stats directly deriving draft order isn’t my argument which is why I keep mentioning Justin Blackmon and not Jordan White.
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You may not be trying, but you are double talking and you are hanging a ton on stats.
Why is Blakmon a top 10 pick and White isn’t?
by Alfie Crow on Dec 26, 2011 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I never said White isn't
If you’re not gonna tell me just say you’re not gonna tell me. Don’t ask me the same question over and over again.
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I already told why
Because I don’t know if he’s a top 10 because I don’t know what everybody’s board looks like. I’m just waiting on you to tell me how you scout without taking stats into any kind of account. If you’re trying to make a point just make the point.
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Hmmm, being nice
Georgia Tech’s offense is nothing at all like Oklahoma State’s offense. Way I see it, Gene Smith will get one hell of a scouting report from Todd Monken.
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and I'm not talking the Paul Johnson attack either
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i agree
that’s why I threw out CJ, but the fairest way for me to do that was to go ahead and say he’s the best of the bunch which I don’t think too many people would dispute.
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to me, receiver is the second biggest positional gamble in the draft
for every Jones and Green, there’s a bunch more Heyward Bays and Demariyous (sp?) Thomases. Sounds familiar don’t it?
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I get where you're coming from.
The entire draft is a crap shoot. But you can’t ignore his production.
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I can't get past his measurables
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which are a problem depending on your tastes
I’d rather see a guy on our team that can flat out play. You can measure all you want but still you have to recognize when a guy can play. Besides, which receiver have we recently drafted that had outstanding measurables? Mike Thomas had speed and build, but he also broke stat records. The biggest hoopla about Dilard was that he could vert through the roof, and even he broke stat records.
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I'm not saying stats are everthing
but if the guy can play, the proof is probably gonna be in the pudding. That pudding being stats.
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Right
Basically, you’ll just dance around the question until the thread is buried. If I’m so misguided why haven’t you been able to answer the question?
Instead of calling people this and that, just give a straight answer. You’ve been dancing around it all day.
Lemme guess, your next post is something about how nobody knows anything and you know everything but you can’t answer a simple question.
I’m so misguided for thinking teams take production into account and production can be represented by stats, right? You provided any real argument to the contrary. If I’m so wrong about it, show me where anything says no NFL team takes any kind of stats into account?
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The Broncos were a passing team last year.
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Look at speed, vertical, hands
Green and Johnson, along with guys like Fitzgerald, catch everything away from their body and can go up and grab any pass towards them. I haven’t seen Blackmon make the plays that those other players made in college. We can just see how Blackmon is in the NFL and compare later. I’m not saying he’s bad, but he is not Green, Johnson, or Fitzgerald.
Hmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voprccSVyz4l
You don’t win the Belitnikoff two times in a row if you can’t catch.
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just saying
who’s rushing to see a dude with 100 targets and 99 drops?
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worked for the Raiders
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also worked for the Panthers
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And Falcons, and Cardinals, and Bengals
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who's the Heisman winner for the Cards, Bengals and Falcons?
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not saying Heisman
just saying they drafted guys that put up good stats and it worked for them.
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if only they had a good defense...
I was wrong about Newton. But, I am interested to see if he can maintain his level next season. He is so fun to watch.
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2 time Belitnikoff winner: Michael Crabtree!
Belitnikoff winner: Golden Tate!
Belitnikoff winner: Mike Hass!
Belitnikoff winner: Braylon Edwards!
In the last 15 years, three Belitnikoff winners have been good/great NFL receivers.
are those stats you're using?
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Are we talking about their NFL production, or using NCAA stats to determine how good they will be as an NFL player?
Let’s not spin it here to make it sounds like I’m saying stats have no use at all, kid.
"Stats in college mean absolutely nothing"
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what are they going to draft?
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There is NOT a big time receiver that is worth that kind of pick.
Take a big guy with a pick that high. A big time DE or a dominating O-Lineman.
Aaah yes!!!
Begin the annual “I have the only true crystal ball, so I know exactly what Gene will do” debate! It must be the end of the season.
There is no crystal ball. There is logic involved, however.
OH, and actually knowing some of the Jaguars scouts. That helps, too.
so they already know how the draft is gonna go?
I have no doubt you know someone that works for the Jags, but I still don’t think you know enough to say the Jags definitely won’t take a receiver with their first pick. Nothing is 100%. And because of that, you can also say nothing is 0%.
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do you think at this point in time, there is a wideout worthy of a top 5 pick?
Personally I do not.
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Well consider that I think Blackmon is as good as Julio Jones and AJ Green
Now he might not be the best receiver in college football. I’m just using him as a comparison. Then, consider the new rookie wage scale and we just had a post listing all the possible draft spots the Jags could get which were 3-7. AJ Green went 4th at $19.6 million. Julio Jones went 6th at $16.2 million. I think we’ll likely draft anywhere from 5 to 7.
Ok, now remember I think Blackmon is as good as the other two. So even if you disagree and say there’s another receiver better than him, I’m guessing you have an absolute stud. All I’m saying is an absolute stud at a position we need in the 5-7th pick range might not be a bad idea. Even when you consider the annual rise in contract numbers from year to year.
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I just don't see it. We can agree to disagree
He is a heck of a college receiver. But, in the offense Ok State runs, he will get those catches. Pre injury, I might have considered the kid from Oklahoma a better pro prospect than Blackmon.
I have been wrong before.
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Don't get me wrong
I’m not saying the Jags are definitely going receiver with their pick. I’m just saying nobody on this site can absolutely guarantee that they won’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if the went with something else. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the did pick one up. It’s all about what Gene wants to do. And since none of us now what he’s thinking for sure or can tell the future we can’t say 100% what’s gonna go down.
About logic. We can go all day about the logic of draft picks, but we still couldn’t 100% eliminate a receiver. Personally, I think the statement would have been better like this: “There is no crystal ball. There is speculation involved, however.”
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because you won't be drafting for the jags.
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So, it’s not possible that Justin Blackmon isn’t anywhere close to top 5 on the Jaguars draft board?
i never said that
i said you can’t 100% guarantee they won’t pick a receiver.
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Then end all speculation
tell us who they’re drafting.
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We need to draft a big explosive DE or a dominating O-Lineman.
If not, trade down and pick up an extra 2nd rounder. We haven’t done a great job at trading down in the past though. It’s almost like other teams don’t want to be dumb and well, the Raiders have already traded their draft picks.
I'd go with the corner from LSU
Keep in mind, unlike last year, the draft is AFTER free agency.
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What the hell was up with Tasker?
Did Gabbert do his sister? The Guy was absolutely digging for negative comments every chance he got. Yes there were some legit ones, but there where a lot that where BS.
Take stock in your lives, but leave your livestock alone
same thing as Gruden
color guy trying to be polemic to create emotion from the (ignorant) viewers… and/or filling some inferiority complex they have since they don’t get to play any longer
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