Jags Pre Bowl Mock
by Thunder64 on Dec 4, 2011 9:09 AM EST
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PrintAs I have already done an OffSeason Plan, I will now focus on the draft part only. I have made some changes from the old one but some players remain the same.
1st-Morris Claiborne CB LSU- Morris is a very talented Corner with very good size at 6'0 185. When I watch Morris in the Alabama game he was very physical in man to man coverage and possessed very good ball skills showing when he erased a TD early in the game. Also, Claiborne shows very good Run stopping abilities but needs to practice on shedding the block. All in all, Rashean Mathis is growing older and with Claiborne and Cox playing Corner next year the Jags will be hard to pass on.
2nd-Dwight Jones WR UNC- Jones is a big, strong, quick wide reciever who can create very good separation. In playing Louisville the film I viewed Jones being very strong and when he caught the ball, and rarely ever dropped it. He had very good speed and when around 2 defenders somehow broke away for 6 points. He played with a very average QB, so he had to come back and fight for alot of balls which he suceeded in doing. WR is a very clear need for the Jags and Blaine Gabbert needs a go to man. I believe Jones would be a very good assest to this team.
3rd- Ryan Miller G/T Colorado- Miller is a very ahletic offensive Lineman. Many scouts have said that he can play either Tackle or Guard at the next level with his athleticism and power off the line. Also, he can set well in pass rush with speed rushers from the outside. Whichever position Britton doesn't play next season Miller will play, with Rackley training to be the next center(or Estes) for the Jags.
4th- Jake Bequette DE Arkansas- With the Jags having good DE play this season this need has been very relaxed but Bequette would still be a very nice fit for the Jags. As he is a very high charachter play with a high motor and very good run stopper. His senior season has been hampered by injuries so his stats aren't very impressive but he does have 5 sacks.
5th- Ryan Broyles WR OU- Broyles is one of the best recievers to ever play at Oklahoma and is only here due to his ACL Tear he suffered this season. Before the injury, tallied up 45 Touchdowns and 3,500 yards in his four year career with the Sooners. Broyles catches the ball well and is a great route runner. If he can recover from the injury, Broyles will be a great reciver in the pros almost like a Wes Welker. He would have great value and is not a risk here in the 5th.
6th- Sean Powell P FSU-With the early season problem of punting with Matt Turk the Jags cut him and got Nick Harris who has been very good for the remainder of the season. Powell though is the top punter coming out with almost a 50 yard average and he can do both rugby style and the orthodox style. He was named the MVP of Florida State by Jimbo Fisher numerous times this season and can flop a field with one kick.
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I might prefer Sanu oveer Jones in the second if he is available but either is a dynamite option
If we pick Caliborne over Blackmon or Jeffery that means Gene wants us to be moved
by 24icebreaker on Dec 4, 2011 9:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
it is the better pick IMO
you make the best pick regardless of anything. you probably beleive passing on Tebow meant the same thing.
I understand that he might be the best player available but he's not what we need, we need more elite offensive players that's why we can't win games now.
Theres a few receivers that are believed to be great picks (Jones, Sanu, Floyd, and etc) that might all be gone after the first round also we have a top 10 defense that is pretty solid right now with average corners so what would be the point of going after a corner again and actually Tebows 5-1 which is the only thing that matters Tebow hater
by 24icebreaker on Dec 4, 2011 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shack Harris
let me explain why drafting for need as opposed to taking the best player is a bad idea.
2003 draft: we need a QB so you take Leftwich and pass on guys like Suggs and Polamalu
2004 draft: you pass on Roethlisberger because the Jags need a WR and took their QB in 2003. We end up with Reggie Williams. How is he doing in the NFL?!
2005 draft: Aaron Rodgers is sitting there to enable you to make up for passing on Roethlisberger, but once again you deem WR s a need so you select Matt Jones. Pretty smart addressing the need, no?!!!
Point is that you cannot look purely at need when deciding who to draft, and given the abundance of talent at Wr this coming draft, passing on Claiborne would be what I like to call sheer lunacy and plain idiotic.
As for Tebow, I am a hater. You know why?!! cause he is not talented. throw him on a team with a defense that cannot hold teams to moderate number of points, and you get a 1-5 Tebow. Tebow is not good and is not going to be good once he has to start running a legitimate NFL offense, something he has not done to date.
I agree with the frustration
Seems like we should draft offense with such a high pick right? I mean, we do have (when healthy) a pretty fair CB depth behind Mathis, it seems. Not great, not terrible. We need playmakers and it looks like Jeffrey and Blackmon are playmakers. IMO, this WR class is much deeper than we’ve had in a couple years. I think we’ll get a couple lower round WRs that break out. If you really think about it, wouldn’t it be a better choice to take the best guy with your highest pick and spend the others on a couple different guys trying to find someone? Those skills positions guys are hard to draft, which is why few teams are any good at it, and why so many 1st round RBs and WRs bust. And unless their name is Calvin Johnson, they’re almost always replaceable. If we take a WR with a top 10 pick, it’s because he’s AJ Green, not Dez Bryant, Hey-Bey or Michael Crabtree; it’s because he’s not replaceable.
But you really do have to make that first pick be BAP. The rest of the draft you can shoot for what you need in my opinion. Maybe you BAP picks 2 or 3 if you find guys you really like, but you have to make sure you don’t bust for need on that first pick.
That being said, I really like Kalil. He’s a compromise….offensive player that is worth a top 5 pick that can be a big game changer and allow our offense to get 100% better.
You sir are on the money
I think Kalil is still not as good of a pick, but regardless I think he is gone by the pick so it does not maatter
Jeffery will be a mid 1st or even 2nd round pick
I preffer Jones over Jeffery, and i think If this team want jones, will have to pick him in the 1st round
Im assuming he has Gene picking up a big name receiver in FA
in his offseason acquisitions post so thats why he has us taking Claiborne and then a WR. Its a smart move and I agree completely if we can sign a number 1 in FA.
does not matter who we get in FA
you cannot draft purely for need, and to be honest CB is going to be a need so getting BAP who fills a need is the way to go!!
Yes that is true BUT
doing the same thing over and over is the definition of stupidity and if we ignore the WR position again this season that is just stupid. If we don’t pick up a WR in FA then you can guarantee we take Blackmon because a second or third round receiver will not fix this offense. We need game changers and waiting later in the draft is just as risky as taking a guy in the first round. Spend the money with a new owner to get a guy who can change the game on offense in FA and then draft Kalil or Claiborne and grab Jones or Sanu in the second. Then get a DE in the third and I will be a happy man.
did i say ignore WR?!! As for passing on blackmon, I can assure you that with the WR class this year a 2nd or 3rd rounder can drastically improve this offense. Diwght Jones and Kendall Wright and Marvin McNutt and Mohamed Sanu are 4 guys off the top of my head that can prove to be real game changers at WR. The truth is that one of these 4 likely could be a BAP in the second.
Anyway I think our argument is for nothing since jags likely go out and spend big $$ on a WR in FA
I'm telling ya
Dwayne Bowe, Kalil, Dwight Jones, and Pierre Thomas and an offseason for Gabbert.
There’s your drastically improved offense :)
Pierre Thomas?!!
Why spend $$ on him?!! I also HIGHLY doubt Kalil is available to be drafted when we draft.
Kalil could be available
We could be at pick 3-4. I think he can make it there.
As for Pierre Thomas, cost will certainly be a factor. He’s not really an elite guy, so I wont expect he’ll make more than say, Mike Thomas, but I think he would add a very potent element being our number 2 RB. He’s a great goal line guy who can catch and has nice speed and doesn’t turn the ball over. Whether MJD or he is on the field, the defense will have to respect the run, and keep a guy in coverage or leave them open. It would open things up for our WRs.
That last part could help open Mike Thomas up in the slot, IMO.
Don’t hate me for being way off here:
Bowe 5 year 40 million, 18m guaranteed
Pierre Thomas 4 year, 17 million, 8m guaranteed.
2 draft picks for guys we could be in perfect position to get.
With only 57m (less than Poz and Sessions this past year), 26m guaranteed (the same as Poz and Sessions) we have made huge strides and have the rest of free agency and the draft to find a CB, DE, LB, G/C, and Punter, though none of them would be a glaring need…opening up the opportunity to stick to BAP.
I am very excited for next offseason!
*Facepalm
I thought Thomas was set to be a free agent, but he apparently extended through 2014 this year. Btw it was a 4 year, 12 million not that it matters lol
id rather spend money to get a DE or CB in FA
Are you forgetting Jennings is on IR? We don’t need RBs right now. I say sign Avril or a CB
Huh?
I honestly don’t feel like Blackmon is a top 10 worthy WR pick. He’s feed the football, isn’t fast, isn’t big, and lacks great hands. You want your Top 10 pick at WR to have all of those. I think he’s Crabtree 2.0.
crabtree without the diva attitude
and crabtrees turning out some pretty good games lately so idk if that such a bad thing
Cold Blooded
Jeffrey and Blackmon both could be gone.
Rams and Vikings both need a WR.
SCALP'EM
Jesus is Lord!
by Thunder64 on Dec 4, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i love claiborne
i think he is a future shutdown corner. i think blackmon will be a #1 reciever and i think we could trade back for more picks. i say we pick up one of the top talents in the draft and dont trade back. i want elite players
Not sure Broyles will be available in the 5th
Good game homie
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 4, 2011 11:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i though the same thing
What about Lavon Brazil, Ohio. Im From Brazil so i think it would be nice to have him hehe
I like Claiborne in the 1st
I disagree with the WRs, I kinda lie Jones but I think there will be better options in the 2nd and Broyles won’t be available in the 5th, but even then, I don’t think I would want him, he is pretty much Mike Thomas with 2 more inches in height.
I like Bequette and the Punter. Miller might be ok but only if he can play RT, I think that is truly the weak link of this O-line. Plus Rackley has played pretty well at RG after his initial struggles, no reason to take him off the field to have him get ready to be a center. And Britton would have to prove that he can stay healthy for 2 consecutive weeks before they make him a starter again.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Dec 4, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions
Better options in the 2nd!!!
I disagree. I think Jones will be the second better wide this year behind Blackmon.
But thats the fun of the draft…o disagree about the prospects…
I like Mcnutt in the 2nd
thats what I meant by better options but I agree, thats what makes it fun
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Dec 4, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I like Mcnutt in the 2nd too!!
Dwight Jones in the 1st, Mcnutt in the 2nd.
WE NEED BJ CUNNINGHAM!
the guy can flat out play and last night to me proved it
he’ll be there late and i dont see why we wouldnt take a shot on him in the 5th
he looks like a lankier stevie johnson without the attitude
IMO thats not bad
Cold Blooded
As I mentioned above
I really like Kalil. I think he can be Jake Long/Joe Thomas good in the long run. IMO, draft him in the first round and your OLine can look like this next year:
Kalil, Britten, (whoever wins Center), Nwarni, Monroe….and you’ve got a dominant OLine. We’ve already got all the depth guys on our Line…..then we don’t have to worry about them anymore knock on wood.
I love the Jones selection. I think he’s exactly what we need to have the luxury of swinging for one of the risk/reward WRs in FA or in the following year’s draft. He’s a huge guy with better speed than Jeffrey and great hands we could easily grab up in the second round.
I don’t know the rest of the guys, but if the guys at 5 and 6 or what you say they are, then I’ll take em!
+1 for
Kalil! And im also a big fan of BJ Cunningham too. But with this mock id like to see what other WRs are on the board when we pick. I’d like to see Nick Toon in the 2nd
Kalil would be a great pick. He is a pure monster on the O Line.
Our Line would be dominant with the addition of him but I think he will be gone.
SCALP'EM
Jesus is Lord!
If the season ended right now
We’d be picking number 4.
I don’t think we’ll get under Indi or St. Louis….
But the vikings could pull in front of us.
Colts take Luck
Rams take Claiborne (they could use him as much as anyone
We Take Kalil
or
Colts, Rams or Vikings take Kalil
And we have Landry Jones & Co. to move back, take another guy and get an extra second.
Then we could draft Jones and Mcnutt/Sanu/etc.
I think Claiborne would be a good pick for where we will most likely be drafting (5th-12th) and will help the secondary. However, since I now unfortunately live in Oklahoma, I see a lot of Justin Blackmon and the dude is the real deal. If he’s there when we pick we should take him. If not, there are others choices. Personally my #2 1st round choice is Michael Floyd from Notre Dame but that because I’m an ND fan. Other WRs I like are Kendall Wright (5’10’’ 190; Baylor), Mohamed Sanu (6’2’’ 215; Rutgers), Jeff Fuller (6’4’’ 220; TAMU), TY Hilton (5’10’’ 185; FIU), Ryan Broyles (5’11’’ 190; OU), Gerell Robinson (6’4’’ 225; Arizona St), Juron Criner (6’4’’ 215; AZ), BJ Cunningham (6’2’’ 220; MIchigan St), Jordan White (6’0’’ 210; Western MIchigan), Jarrett Boykin (6’2’’ 220; VA Tech), Keshawn Martin (5’11’’ 190; Michigan St), Patrick Edwards (5’9’’ 175; Houston), Phillip Payne (6’3’’ 205; UNLV, Keenan’s school), Marcus Rivers (6’5’’ 220; Buffalo), LaVon Brazill (6’0’’ 190; Ohio), Danny Coale (6’0’’ 195; Va Tech), and Kris Burd (5’11’’ 200; UVA). As you can see this WR class is deep so taking a WR in the 1st may not be completely necessary
"Viva los Zapatistas y la Revolucion"
At this rate, if we lose tomorrow night
we will be picking in the Top 5 next year.
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