Why we should draft a new QB with our first pick!
by Mullayo on Dec 6, 2011 5:29 AM EST
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Print1) RIGHT NOW GABBERT IS BAD: If Indy select Andrew Luck and we stick with Gabbert we will arguably be starting not only the worst QB in the league but the 7th or 8th best QB in the weakest division in the NFL. Think about it...Manning, Luck, Schaub, Hasselback, Locker, Yates...Leinart/Gabbert, Painter...Not good enough particularly because...
2) MOST OF OUR PREMIER PLAYERS ARE IN THEIR PRIME: MJD, Daryl Smith, Posluszny, PotRoast, Marcedes, Cox, are in their prime and we shouldn't waste that relying on only one young QB. GregJones, Landry, Lowery, Mathis are past their best but have a little left we can't waste this precious time. We're a QB and WRs away from a run.
3) WHY NOT A WR WITH THE FIRST PICK: I know people point their fingers at the WRs and the rest of our offense but QB is the prime position we can't afford to ignore. Also, I believe Blackmon and Ashlon have red flag character issues that may make them possible busts or blacklist them with Gene - though I think it's rare that great recievers come without mental baggage. We can pick up the likes of Sanu, McNutt, Nick Toon, Dwight Jones in the 2nd round.
4) TRADE VALUE: Gabbert may be our franchise QB of the future in the long run but I''d personally prefer a two QB battle with Barkley.The best gets the gig, the other develops. We're only paying Gabbert a bargain $12m for 4 years so he's trade bait. If they both work out you can trade them for full value in picks like Vick/Kolb, Tebow/Orton.
5) NEW REGIMES MEAN NEW QBS: New coach/OC will want a new QB. Assuming Luck is long gone, we're picking around 3-7, the candidates we should seriously be looking at are Matt Barkley - USC - 6'2 - 220 - Top 10 and Robert Griffin III - Missouri - 6'2 - 220 - Top 10 or Landry Jones - Oklahoma- 6'4 - 230 - Top 20.
5) BARKLEY IS BETTER THAN GABBERT RIGHT NOW: I've looked at Barkley and like him a lot. He's the anti-Gabbert: Smaller, less athletic, but pro-style offence and shows poise under pressure, he likes slants, steps up into the pocket, he's more experienced and hustles for plays. He's a higher ranked prospect more elite than Gabbert too and is much more pro-ready.
http://www.nfldraftblogger.com/2011/10/matt-barkley-scouting-report/
I'm not adverse to a CB or LT at the first pick but if we're picking 3th - 7th Barkley may be the BPA and the best player for our hopes next year what do you think?
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How can you say Gabbert is bad and is trade bait at the same time?
If he is truly bad, no one will trade for him. If he is not bad, picking another QB with the first pick is a waste.This team has not had a real #1 WR in about five years. However, Offensive Tackle should be the first pick. Kalil or Reiff would be very good for the first pick. We can pick up WR later in the draft and maybe find a #1 in FA. But it will probably be a two year process. Impossible to fix this in one year. Too many holes.
I continue to think the quick fix for our offense
Is sign a #1 like Vincent Jackson and another guy like Meachem or Harry Douglass in FA and then draft an OT with the first pick and another WR with the second. With the amount of cap room we have, we can sign two WR. One will obviously be chaper but they will still be better than what we have now. We now have money to spend which is a major benefit.
DON'T DO DRUGS!!!
You are seriously crazy. You admit that right now Gabbert is bad, which leaves the possibility that he gets better in the near future. He is getting better, and to be honest, why do you think a Landry Jones or RG III or Matt Barkley is going to be any better?!! For all you know they each will be worse, and then by selecting them, you basically end up wasting a pick. THAT would be a franchise crippling move, and cannot be made regardless of new coach and new owner.You need to give Gabbert a little bit of time, and maybe a full offseason before making true judgements about him.
Wait. . What?
Are you saying that because Gabbert is bad now that supports the fact that he will be better in the future?
Jaguars fan from day 1
did i say that?
I said that in the post he says that gabbert is bad NOW. The guy is 4 months into his NFL career. Furthermore, I am pointing out that Gabbert is getting better and so to give up on him now is crazy.
so is every other rookie qb thats playing better than him
and what aspect of his game is getting better?
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Dec 6, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
so by your logic
the worst rookie at each position has no hope of ever amounting to anything in the NFL? Gabbert is playing the hardest position in the NFL, is a rookie, and had barely any offseason. You want to give up on him already, reagrdless of the fact that he is improving?
He is showing some better decision making, and is showing a little better pocket presence. He also just seems like he is getting more comfortable with the prfessional game. That is the improvement I was talking about.
no
im saying every rookie qb is in the same situation. they are all playing at a similar or higher level than gabbert so stop using the training camp excuse. because every rookie has it and some are playing quite well inspite of that
and his pocket presence is upgraded from horse menure to bull menure. it still is horrible and holding him back. and with him more comfortable he still looks the same. he isnt improving significantly in any area thats worth anything (ie poise accuracy)
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Dec 6, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
So just becuase the other rookie QBs are playing better than him the training camp excuse is totally invalid. It is impossible that with a full training camp he would be better?!! Saying something like that is ridiculous. Point is that he has faced a tough situation with the suspect play of the Line, lack of a legit QB coach, and lack of talent at WR.
As for the pcoket presense, it might not be great, but you alo have to realize that this O-Line has not given him such a great internal clock. Guys like Whimper make Gabbert have an internal clock that is shorter than it might be otherwise, and therefore he seems “jumpy” at times in the pocket, and as a whole lacks the pocket presence you want to see. Maybe with a healthy/better/consistent O-Line, Gabbert will make the adjustments to his game and will suddenly look a lot better than he is right now.
no stop making excuses that arent even valid
and im not buying it im tired of the excuses. he is not improving at all and we can hope he will get better. but if he doesnt we are extremely screwed. if we drop him now we are less screwed because we honestly have a good shot to get Luck
just because hes a jaguar doesnt mean hes going to be good and people need to realize that. Im not saying gabbert has 0% chance of making it im just saying he hasnt shown anything that shows he can
Cold Blooded
hes terrible
he hasnt improved at all and the things hes bad at (pocket toughness, accuracy) i dont think are fixable.
if blaine gabbert isnt the guyand we stick with him another couple years we are going to be looking at a sad sitaution.
because mjd will be at the tail end of his career with the way he runs and he will have been wasted. its sad to say but mjd probably only has 5 years left at a reasonably high level and we cant waste any more of his career with gabbert
Cold Blooded
He can improve his accuracy
and he has already. As long as he gets his mechanics right, he is an accurate passer.
RG3 plays at Baylor not Missouri
Barkley is overrated, I feel like Gabbert is better than him right now. Build around Gabbert with new weapons and new system.
Can't stand the truth?
You're overreacting
Don’t you guys remember this guy wasn’t even suppose to start this year. He was suppose to sit behind Garrard because he didn’t get a opportunity to have an off season due to the lockout. He was forced into the starting lineup when he clearly wasn’t ready. I don’t agree with giving up on him after one year
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Something else we should point out
Gabbert had fewer reps than the other rookies, because he wasn’t supposed to start. He also has the worst weapons. He also had the furthest to go developmentally because of how little experience he’s had in college.
Here are the facts......
At this point, Blaine Gabbert is not playing at an NFL level. Can it be corrected, I do not know, and NEITHER DO ANY OF YOU! That being said, we should most defiantly consider a QB in the draft next year if one should appear at the proper time for the Jags. I am not saying to trade themselves out of other good players to get him, but by no means should this team assume that the QB situation is handled. Unless I see a marked turn around in Blaine in the next 4 games, I will not be going into the 2012 season beaming with confidence.
What part of this is not a fact......
“Here are the facts……
At this point, Blaine Gabbert is not playing at an NFL level. Can it be corrected, I do not know, and NEITHER DO ANY OF YOU!"
Hmmmmm, Mr. Smarty Pants!
You have not given Gabbert much time to acclimate himself to the professional game
This was a guy who was known to need substantiial work before being “NFL-ready” GIve the guy some time with some weapons at WR, a healthy O-Line, and some stability at coaching, and then come out and make a definitve statement.
Well said.
This is Gabbert’s what, 9th start as a professional QB? The O-Line has been inconsistent – at best, and the WRs we have may very possibly be the worst group in the NFL. Let’s give this young man some time to learn before we rip him apart.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
I am not taking away from his situation.......
The point is we do not know what we have yet. Since we don’t, why would we consider the position handled? If BAP is a QB, he needs to be considered.
What gets me sad is:
The trade to get Gabbert. If the jags stayed at 16, they should get a good player, a good chance to get a good player in the 2nd round to. this year they could have played with Mccown and probably would be with the same W-L….and could draft a good QB this year without the trade…
hindsight is 20/20
At taht point, Jags saw a franchise QB available at #10 and saw a deal that made sense to them. Would you pass on taking a franchise QB if he is there for the right price?!!
Franchise QB for them
For me he was bad, really bad, even before the draft i tought it.
But they cleary know more than me. I hope he become a franchise qb…
i just didnt like the trade and the pick…
Good post.
The Jaguars can’t afford to pass on a new QB if one is sitting right there for them when they draft. They can’t mortgage the future of the franchise and possibly the city on the hope that Gabbert will become something he honestly hasn’t shown any signs of becoming.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 6, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions
taking another first round QB
is more dangerous than waiting another 2 years. If you go QB in the first, and he also struggles in his first year, then you just wasted 2 draft picks, and by you logic, you would have to go QB in the fist in 2013 as well. Just give Gabbert time to really establish himself for what he is.
Waiting another 2 years for something that looks unlikely to happen
IS MUCH MORE DANGEROUS than passing on the next franchise quarterback. “It’s ok, we don’t need the next Peyton Manning, because there’s still a 10% chance Gabbert could be decent.” Really? You’re saying that’s a better option? Ridiculous. Gabbert is quickly establishing himself for what he is. I’m sorry that it wasn’t good news.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 6, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Even if you do draft another QB
he’s not going to have a team around him. Then that QB will get beat up, similar to how Gabbert is right now.
The line isn't that bad. Gabbert has happy feet and is feeling phantom pressure, but there's been no one around him when he throws his bounce passes or sails that INT in the 2nd quarter.
We can get a good receiver with the 2nd round pick, which will likely be 36th or so overall, but the team around him isn’t going to matter unless the quarterback is throwing accurate passes beyond 5 yards. And Gabbert’s not doing that.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 6, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
The line isnt bad?
Cmon, man…last night they were getting pressure every snap, and even the guys from the Chargers SBNation said their pass rush isn’t very good. Rackley is still learning and makes mistakes and Whimper has not been good. Im sure there are more mistakes going on than those 2, but I noticed them several times.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
The right side
did have a bad night from what I remember. Rackley is looking better and better, but he’s still learning the intricacies of the running game.
Meester had one of his better games of the season.
Monroe deserves more accolades or praise. He’s been playing really well since getting better from his injury. Honestly, he’s been all you can ask for at the position.
From where I was sitting, no one deserveed praise...
now, granted, I am in the stands straining to see the linemen working, but the Chargers were getting through all night. I thought it was coming from Whimpers side – but I could be mistaken…
Fidelis Ad Mortem
I wanna go back watch
and I will. Because honestly, like the secondary, without watching it a lot, protection issues can misleading on first looks. Sometimes it’s as simple as miscommunication.
They weren't the Patriots line from the Super Bowl teams,
but they were ok. Yeah, the right side caved a few times, but Gabbert usually had some time, and the left side did play quite well. Some of Gabbert’s worst throws came when he had a stable pocket; he just missed and missed badly.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 6, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
there is a huge difference between the WR’s that will go in the first vs the ones that will go in the second. It’s like Dez Bryant vs Limas Sweed.
It's a deeper class.
I’d be ok with Dwight Jones or McNutt in the 2nd round. Desean Jackson worked out just fine in the 2nd round.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 6, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Desean
should have been a first rounder. I’m not saying a second rounder is gonna suck because he’s a second rounder. But I believe there is a fairly large gap between the elite WR’s and the second tier of receivers this year.
Kind of like the gap between AJ Green/Julio Jones compared to everyone else. Those other guys can be good one day, but they aren’t going to have mismatch ability the top guys will.
At least I thought
Desean was supposed to be a 1st rounder. My only doubt about him was durability at 175 lbs and character.
this answer is not as simple as you might think
A general answer can be understood from the fact that should BAP at Jags pick this coming season be a QB, you trade the pick, whereas in other circumstances you take the franchise QB.
To rephrase it in the same terms as you are putting it, do you take Rodgers the year after drafting Roethlisberger, or do you look to trade the pick? And this is half-retrospective half not, meaning do no say trade Roethlisberger since Rodgers is better QB.
Yes you draft the QB
I would draft Rodgers after Big Ben. You’ll have one helluva trade value if both stay healthy. Also due to the number of QBs going down in recent years it helps to have a top flight backup. So yes I would’ve drafted Rodgers after drafting Big Ben and then I cut Leftwich
but once again it is all to trade one
why not trade the pick before the selection? I was also not assuming leftwich was there. Furthermore, assuming this is non-retrospective, trading the pick before ROdgers steps on the field actually is likely worth more than trading rodgers after the selection is made, so you end up with big ben and more by just trading the pick prior. I would rather have big ben and more than ROdgers and less from trading big ben.
Need a new QB
The comparisons for Blaine Gabbert are to QBs who have been out of the league for awhile now. Sure Troy Aikman and John Elway turned their careers around, they also played while Blaine Gabbert was in grade school.
Should the Raiders have stuck with JaMarcus Russell as long as they did? Chargers with Ryan Leaf?
Right now with the new rookie salary cap, it’s actually affordable to draft a first round QB in back to back years.
If Gabbert needs time then he can be a serviceable backup until he’s ready and then we can trade him as our 2012 QB draft pick can be our QB who leads us to wins…or at the very least doesn’t throw bounce passes
what happens if the QB Jags take in 2012 also struggles?!
Do we sit him ad gabbert as backups and go QB in 2013?!1
That's when you pay out the backside for a top FA QB
Because we’ve shown as a franchise we are horrible at drafting a QB.
When David Garrard is the best QB you’ve drafted as a franchise something is horribly wrong
Nice try at the slippery slope argument.
Though there’s nothing wrong with admitting a mistake, which is a lot better than trying to make a clear mistake work out for you for way too long. You draft a position until you get it right, and it’s pretty obvious Gabbert is not right.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 6, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Gabbert is not
Russell or Leaf. Neither of them had the will to prepare. When is the last time you heard of a player with all the talent, all the mental aspects of the game, and the will to prepare not do well eventually.(Except for injury)
I don't think he has all the mental aspects of the game.
He’s obviously afraid and regressing mentally, and he doesn’t have the talent of accuracy either. That has bust written all over it.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 6, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
His lack of accuracy comes with the bad mechanics/footwork
i think this can be learn. Whats he doesn’t have is pocket presence and he is afraid of hits, and i dont think this can be taught.
It can be taught
it’s a like a coach telling his better to wear the pitch. It’s not instinctive to take a fastball to the arm, but it can be taught. Take the hit, or you’re not going to play.
Greater fears can replace lesser fears.
And I totally disagree that he is regressing. In what aspect is he regressing? He’s stepping up in the pocket more than he used to. He’s hitting his checkdown more. He’s making better decisions in the redzone. His comp percentage is improving. His yardage is improving.
I never said he is regressing
he is just not good, not good enough. Well then again its just my opinion, and i really want to be wrong.
MTC said he wad regressing, which he isn’t.
It's All good!
by Hurricane8765 on Dec 9, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
If a QB is BAP at time of our pick, yes
Either one could always be trade bait later
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I'd say Leinart > Gabbert right now
If the Jags lose out this season, there is no way Gabbert is starting QB for us in 2012
Leinart seemed poised in the pocket
And not afraid. He also seemed to make use of his WRs not named Andre Johnson. Right now I rather have a healthy Leinart as our starting QB than Gabbert
Well I am not so sure McCown and Gabbert were actually competing
Garrard cut immediatley put McCown as starter if I am not mistaken. There also was not much of a camp fro gabbert to outplay McCown in and win the job in.
Leinart
also has a much better OL. Much better receivers. More years in his system. More years in the NFL. I would prefer Yates over Leinart. Leinart is injury prone, a party boy that doesn’t have the work ethic that Gabbert has, and he doesn’t have the physical skill Gabbert has:Speed, arm strength, quick release, accuracy(Yes accuracy).
Please explain to me how Lowery and Landry are "past their primes"
Dwight Lowery is 25 and Dawan Landry is 28. Also, enlighten me on Alshon Jeffery’s “red flags.” This is probably the worst article I’ve read on this website.
I’m not against drafting Griffin, Landry Jones or Barkley with our first pick. But I’d rather try to down a few spots and then pick up a QB AND a WR in this draft (first round all) if we are going that route. Then we can hire a vet QB to lead this team while the other two try to get up to speed. If either can outplay the incumbent vet, then they earn the right to start. Its not giving up on Gabbert per se, but an admission that we can’t afford to wait forever. Like someone said elsewhere, this is a different era under the new CBA.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Dec 6, 2011 7:18 PM EST reply actions
Come on Man!!!
You say in your article that it seems as if Gabbert is athletic enough, and I would like to address that. First of all YOU are right about him not showing enough athletic ability, He is scrambling either way too soon, or not scrambling at all and going down way too easy, but then you say we should take a QB with even less scrambling ability(barkley)? And second of all, Gene and Jacks decision to teach a young QB with a LB coach was just awful(at that point I agreed that Jack had to go, and Gene should as well). Lastly, If we are going to go the route of selecting another Qb in the first round of this draft, I suggest we get RGIII, he would immediately spark the fanbase, and IMO should be the Heisman winner this year, but I would suggest to Gene, that we pull a Denver in the draft, and Pick a top Notch WR with our first pick, and then hope that we could pull a trade, in the late first round and hope RGIII is still available and pick him(alot of mock drafts have him going late 1st early second) with Blackmon AND RGIII on our team, our new owner would make a big splash, and Gene might lessen some of the crap that has been said about his draft choices, and quite honestly if we can sign our FA D boys from this year, and CHICK can come back and we could add Crick(maybe 3rd round) as well? we are in there boys!!!!!!
Mock Drafts
I have been reading alot of the mock drafts going on out there, and most of them have us picking morris claiboirne with our first pick, I mean come on!!!! We need a WR that has top notch talent, I still have some faith in our young WR’s but at this point we need someone that will make the opponents D game plan against. That said about our WR corps, I wonder what RGIII and MJD in our backfield would look like. I laughed at Michael Irvins jest that Cam deserved more money early on this season(and my fantasy teams are screwed because of my lack of “feeling” on Newton now) RGIII is what we need,(A Tebow, that can actually throw accurately) Give RGIII the ball, and he will MAKE the time to find our young WR corps
I would be interested to know
How he looks in practice minus the defense. If he is inaccurate in practice with no pass rush we might be in trouble.
How do you know this?
You did contradict yourself with bad and trade bait. I still believe in him. QB is NOT the most important Position.
It's All good!
HEY
Why not hire Jeff Garcia as a QB coach? He did go to the super Bowl.He lost, but that was against Brady and NE.
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