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There have been 23 rookie passers who qualified for passer ratings over the past 10 years. Gabbert's current PR ranks 13th of those 23, which includes three other players this season. So, slightly below average, although he could move either way a few spots depending on his performance the balance of the season. His draft spot (#10 overall) is also very close to the mid point for first round quarterbacks over the past 10 years. In terms of age, he was the third youngest, just a couple of months older than Matt Stafford and Josh Freeman in 2009. Quarterbacks on the qualifying list, and quarterbacks taken in the first round, were 1 and 1/2 years older than him on average.

So, basically he is having an average rookie season, for an average first round draft pick. Except for the fact that he is younger and has less experience than virtually all of them. Doesn't really seem like cause for the mass panic which seems to be happening concerning Blaine.

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You're using stats (more-so an already outdated stat such as passing rating-why they created the Total QBR) to tell you what you should believe instead of using your eyes...

when it should be the other way around. Anyone looking at Gabbert play would not call this season average or even close even for a rookie. Look at his QBR….now THAT is a good gauge…and it’s one of the lowest in the league.

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Dec 8, 2011 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

Keep in mind

that this is the same rating that said Garrard was an above average quarterback.

You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.

by JagsAlex87 on Dec 8, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Passer Rating is generally accepted, QBR is generally ridiculed

So, until things change, I’ll stick with the former. QBR is one of the lowest in the league? Guess what, his passer rating is the lowest among qualifying QBs. Or at least it was a week ago. No one saying Gabbert is having a great season. No one saying he doesn’t look bad out there. But so did most rookie quarterbacks over the past decade. That was the point of the post. Unless you saw every game in full of every rookie QB who played over the past decade, you can’t make a reasonable judgement about Gabbert’s prospects without using statistical comparison. Obviously there are a lot of variables involved, and different players have different strengths and weaknesses. But from a statistical perspective, and ultimately sports become statistics, Blaine is middle of the pack in terms of performance. The only players who played over that time period who started younger than him all had worse passer ratings. Alex Smith, Matt Stafford, and Josh Freeman were sleightly younger when they started, and they all had worse passer ratings as rookies. Between the three of them they won five or six games in total in their rookie season. Personal impressions are subjective. On any pass you can fault several different players if it fails, and credit several different players if it succeeds. So you have to depend on stats to give an objective opinion.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooorrrrrrr...you can depend on your eyes and then use the stats to back it.

I don’t need stats to tell me who’s fault an incomplete pass was. All I need to do is turn on the NFL Rewind and look at the WRs. Do they have separation on that route? Did they give the QB a chance? If on that route the answer is yes then it likely falls on the QB (and his happy feet in Blaine’s case). Some do fall on the WRs, some fall on the O-line too. But more often than not I believe what my eyes tell me….that it falls on Blaine’s shoulder (and his coaches…)

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Dec 8, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You totally miss the point

Gabbert looks bad out there, and the stats back it up. No one saying otherwise. But his most reliable receiver at this point seems to be Zach Potter, who was a defensive tackle when they drafted him a couple of years back. The guy who was considered their #1 receiver going into the season just got cut, and no one has even bothered to pick him up. Despite that Blaine has put up average stats for a rookie first round draft pick QB over the past 10 years. Better than average stats for one who came out with college eligibility remaining. The best stats for anyone who started as a 21 year old. That is true going back 30 years or so.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, the two receivers that the team thought they could depend on, Lewis and Thomas

…want to get out of Jacksonville now that they have secure contracts. Those two are playing deliberately to be traded. That is more obvious than any flaws in Gabbert’s quarterbacking skill. How can you expect Blaine to react when he knows that.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No intelligent player would do something that dumb (I know athletes aren't the smartest ppl but that's pretty out there. You trade value is minimized the worse you play.) If they really wanted out they'd just either request it or become a locker cancer

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Dec 8, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It is not necessarily a conscious thing

If your head is not in the game your body isn’t in the game. That seems obvious to me watching Lewis after he signed his deal, and Thomas after he signed his. Now there is no hunger or fear. The worst that can happen to them is that they get traded out of town. Or that they get cut and move to a new team. They’re both west coast guys, and are at the point in their career where they want to play for a strong team to embellish their legacy.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

O I guess that's why

Mike Thomas puts his body out there on punt returns. And that’s why Lewis was violently running after the catch. He was running like a man possessed. It took like 4 or 5 Chargers to get him down every time.
Keep in mind Thomas didn’t get his extension until things were already going badly.
Also keep in mind, neither of these contracts are guaranteed.
And Thomas is a Texan not a west coast guy.

by Ewdtrey on Dec 8, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Thomas played out west, and I'm pretty sure he lives there now

In any case, both players became shadows of their former selves after they signed their contracts. You can point out isolated cases of effort, probably after getting a new hole ripped by the coaching staff, but it doesn’t last long.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Lewis has been

blocking his ass off for weeks. That’s not an isolated incident. And aside from the dropped TD against hou, Lewis has been catching everything in recent weeks.
And like I said, Thomas’ play hasn’t changed a bit since signing his contract. I bet no one can even tell from his play when he did sign his contract. His stats haven’t seen a change.

by Ewdtrey on Dec 8, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Thomas is tiny with average speed

He has to do a hell of a lot more than just run routes and return punts when ordered to. He has to show Steve Smith, Santana Moss, kind of effort and discipline to be worthwhile as an NFL receiver. I think it’s just 50/50 that he is a starter next season. Probably not a lot better for Lewis.

Gabbert will be here and starting on opening day. There is no doubt of that, unless his is injured. It isn’t nearly as certain for Lewis and Thomas. I doubt that they will be missed much if they do go.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Lewis will be here next year

no doubt about it. Ask anyone with half a brain.
Thomas will be here next year. Maybe not as a starter, but he will be here, and he will have a role to play.
And I’m sorry, but until Gabbert started throwing Thomas the ball, no one had a single complaint with Thomas other than he wasn’t a number 1. But he does have speed.

by Ewdtrey on Dec 8, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen Thomas run down from behind more than once this year

That is all right if you’re 6-6, and 260 pounds, but not if you’re 5-8, 190, or whatever. He has to run away from everyone if he gets a step, and he has to make circus catches to get the ball. Thomas does neither.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I know the exact play you're talking about

The reason he was run was because someone else had the angle on him and he slowed down to make a move on him and to protect the football. Never seen him chased down ever since or ever before.

by Ewdtrey on Dec 10, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

I don’t really agree with the post but I respect your opinion but then you throw in that Zach Potter is our most reliable receiver with 4 catches on the year and that Lewis and Thomas are trying to force their trade by playing poorly. C’mon. If Lewis wanted to force a trade he would have sat out this year after a pro bowl season. You lose all leverage by playing poorly. There is no conspiracy involved with Lewis and Thomas to make Gabbert look bad. He just does. Tell me, did Thomas or Lewis deliberately run a wrong route when Gabbert’s first pass on Monday night was into the dirt 3 yds in front of him?

Jaguars fan from day 1

by jagfan1992 on Dec 8, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I said that Potter has become Gabbert's most reliable target

At least in the last game. Which is not saying much for sure. Lewis and Thomas quit when they signed their deals. That is as obvious as Shahid Kahn’s moustache to me. Hill was an obvious mistake who they tried to slip by to keep payroll costs down. Shorts was another mistake who was taken only because he was older and had a ton of college experience. You could see it all coming a mile off. I’m a big fan of Gabbert, and when he came to Jax things looked very good in terms of having a solid support system in place for his development. Garrard, Lewis, Jones-Drew, Thomas, Monroe, Britton, Rackley. But one by one, all the pieces started to fall apart, and he is pretty much on his own now, except for MJD and Monroe.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

So...

we should wait to pronounce judgement on Gabbert because it is premature but we can call Potter reliable after one game? I agree completely regarding Shorts and Hill. I completely disagree regarding Lewis. He has been bad but I don’t think it is the result of him quitting. Finally, Rackley is a solid piece of the support system? Really? He has been one of the worst guards in the NFL this year whether you watch him or use stats from a source such as Pro Football Focus

Jaguars fan from day 1

by jagfan1992 on Dec 9, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Potter is reliable until he starts dropping the passes to him

Which everyone else on the receiving corps has done so far. Granted they are short passes, and granted Gabbert has probably worked more with Potter than the other receivers due to depth chart position and the fact that Lewis and Miller were missing for large portions of time. Still, it points up to a strong possible reason for Gabbert’s struggles so far. Rackley is in the same position as Gabbert, a very young rookie learning one of the most difficult positions on the field. It’s not by coincidence that the top Wonderlic scores each year are usually turned in by quarterbacks and offensive linemen. I think it’s a huge tribute to both those players that they were even starting before their 22nd birthday. I think they both may be the youngest starters at their position in the league.

by robert ethan on Dec 9, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Rackley's story a lot

but let’s be honest, he doen’t even sniff the starting lineup if Britton was healthy and Manuwai was playing. His playing is more a tribute to the team’s lack of depth rather than his playing prowess right now.

Jaguars fan from day 1

by jagfan1992 on Dec 9, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Everybody has to start somewhere

Very few young players step into the league (particularly at QB or OG) and have instant success. All I’m trying to say here.

by robert ethan on Dec 9, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

T. Holmes,

In turn, then you can’t use stats (such as completion percentage) to Bias your opinion on the eye-test. It works both ways.

The kid doesn’t know how to plant his feet yet. This is a snowball that affects his play. He gets into his rhythm for about a quarter a game, and that’s when his receivers aren’t giving up on plays and he’s not getting sacked in the first 2 seconds. When he’s comfortable and can follow through with his mechanics, he gets drives like he did through the better part of the second quarter, and he looks GREAT.

I don’t get it….everyone said at the beginning of the season that they’d rather go 3-13 and let Gabbert shake all of the bugs out and fix his mechancis (the things we KNEW he would have problems with). Throw him right into the fire and in 2012 he can be great! Think of the future! Well, that’s what we did…and now that it looks like we could go 3-13, everyone is pissed. I don’t get it.

Yes he’s bad now. He’s shaking the bugs out and his mechanics are getting a little better. He’s still bad. Give him an offseason and some protection so he can gain some confidence and maybe those drives become the normal.

by Mr.Awesome on Dec 8, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree with this

It seems a lot of Jag fans are mad because they got what they asked for.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Dec 8, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree as well.

That was the point of the post. To show that Gabbert is probably going through a normal development process for a player of his age and experience. Josh Freeman had a worse PR rating than Gabbert in his first season. A year later I think he made the Pro Bowl.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Who said anything about completion percentage? And nothing but wins can bias an eye test LOL...

If this were the old days before stats were sooooo important what would we be focused on and talking about? What we SAW! And what I see can only be biased by WINS (ala MR. Tim Tebow) LOL….If he’s not winning, not improving his mechanics, and not becoming any less skiddish than when I first saw him then his stats mean nothing to me. Knowing how to plant his feet has nothing to do with it btw (if you were here in training camp and practices, he had no problem doing it then). It’s when the lights turn on and that pass rush cranks up he becomes Mumble from Happy Feet. But without a rush he throws and plants beautifully. He knows HOW to do it, just everything he KNOWS is forgotten as soon as the ball is snapped. (Btw his “great” second quarter was all checkdowns…almost every single pass). DEFINITELY not what I’d want to base a future off of #JustBeinReal

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Dec 8, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Tebow won 1 game last season as a rookie

Broncos had him at third string behind Orton and Quinn a couple months back. So how obvious was it exactly that Tebow was going to be successful? When Tim was Gabbert’s age he was a sophomore at Florida. With a wonky throwing motion that had scouts viewing him as a fullback at the next level. Don’t use revisionist history.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You missed the point. If Gabbert were winning (like Tebow) we wouldn't care about his issues.

Though ppl see Tebow’s issues they care less about them because he’s winning. When you’re losing AND it seems you’re losing in large part BECAUSE of your QB’s throwing issues then all the other stats in the world can’t get me to change what my eyes already told me.

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Dec 8, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize that winning would make all the difference

But Tebow came into the league last year, when the Broncos won just 4 games, I think. Tim only started the last three, but he made appearances in most of the others. His completion rate was 50%, which is about where Gabbert is now. As it was, when Tebow came to the NFL he was already a year and a half older than Gabbert was, with four full seasons of college ball and a Heisman Trophy behind him.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He had no problems with those things in training camp and the preseason

Because he wasn’t the starter going against some of the leagues best pass rushers with Guy whimper protecting him. He hadn’t been beaten up every single game. What about going back in the day before people thought players were madden characters who just had to increase their throw accuracy rating.

Planting his foot has a lot to do with it. Perhaps its something easier done in the stadium, because you can’t control TV angles, but you can tell before the ball even comes out of his hand if it will be a good pass or not. He’s very akward on his feet a lot after throwing….suggesting a poor follow through….suggesting overall bad footwork. These things can be taught….and with one good offseason and the time he’s put in this year, we could see differences immediately next season.

by Mr.Awesome on Dec 8, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been to a few games this season and I have seen him on TV...it looks about the same (if not better on tv to focus in on his mechanics). I love sitting behind the end zone like the last game against Houston then you can tell when he sees and what he

should have seen. I’ll be honset with you, you said a lot in your post but most of it was fluff lol…many words without actually saying anything!

Has Guy Whimper been bad? Yes. Has he been so bad that Blaine hasn’t had opportunities to show any sort of resemblance of an average QB? Hell no. It’s an excuse. Nothing more. I’m not one of the Madden guys, I’m a former football player who goes with what my mind and my eyes tell me. Yes, Blaine can be coached up better. And yes he’s been beat up. But frankly he’s been skiddish since the PRE-SEASON! From the time he took his first hit all a defense had to do was show a blitz he gets happy feet and his eyes go directly to the rusher (and off of his WRs running the route). THAT is proven by him every single game. Courage isn’t coachable and taking the hit while making the pass takes just that.

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Dec 8, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It is never possible to see what the quarterback sees, though

I just noticed on the Jags site that someone posted a video of the interception Gabbert threw that cost Missouri the Insight Bowl last year. If you watch it from the normal T.V. angle it looks like a lame duck pass into tight coverage and an egregious error on Gabbert’s part. But right at the end of the clip they show an angle from behind Blaine as he is running outside the pocket. You can see the defender, and you can see his teammate. What you can’t see is a second defender, completely obscured between the two of them. Gabbert lobbed the ball overtop of the defender you could see to what appeared to be an open receiver, but the defender you couldn’t see was right in front of him. All the grief the poor guy took over the past year for that pass, and when you see it from his perspective, it seems like a perfectly reasonable choice.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

thats why he said he likes being at the game and sitting at the end zone

and seeing what the qb could see. tv angles dont show you the full story but sitting at the endzone does. it allows you to see the entire field

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Dec 8, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 lol...you get me

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

What I'm talking about is the last two games I went to (the Houston and Chargers games) I sat in the end zone seats and had a pretty good view of what he was looking at all game

(even more-so b/c I know how to read defense)….I may not know who his #1 read is on the play but I know where the ball should go depending on the D. Even that seems to be something that he doesn’t know. Just sayin it is possible to see what they see if you know what to look for and you have end zone seats…

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Total QBR

Can be affected a lot by a poor offensive line. Sacks/pressures can be held against them. It’s still a working process, and if you’ve followed the QBR, it’s pointing system needs a lot of work before it’s done.

It’s on to something as far as how it compares players, but it’s far from complete. When it’s complete and we have the last 45 years of quarterbacks’ QBRs to compare, then I will qualify it more than a passer rating.

by Mr.Awesome on Dec 8, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

so is the regular quarterback rating

come on now no systems perfect but the qbr tries to be more precise. passer rating is something a 4 year old could calculate but qbr tries to be more precise thats the whole point of it. and the reason it doesnt have 45 years back because it is broken down play by play and theres no way that could happen that would be millions of hours of film

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Dec 8, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The stats we do have readily available are passer rating, win/loss, age and draft position

Those are the only ones I considered when comparing Gabbert to previous rookie starters. He is pretty much tied at the 12/13 spot out of 23 qualifiers over the past 10 years. I think there were 30 first round picks over the same period and 15 of them were taken at #10 overall or earlier. Blaine has won 2 of 9 starts which is a bit lower, I think the average winning % for rookies is probably about 35%. The average is about 23 years of age.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

id attribute the win percentage

because the teams drafting in the top ten. were top ten teams. ie they were crappy. so they unfairley altered the stats of overall win percentage. Also i would be hard pressed for you to find a qb on a good team that had a horrendous win percentage that is considered a very good QB now. We werent that bad we were the middle of the road drafting 16. and our defense vastly improved so i would argue that gabbert has a better team around him than any of those top 10 picks

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Dec 8, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The win percentage is for all rookie QBs who qualified, not just top 10 picks

It isn’t very high, although I can’t be bothered to get an exact number. Roethlisberger won 13 games as a rookie, and Kyle Orton won 10. But both benefitted from terrific defenses at the time. They only averaged around 20 passes per game they started, and Orton’s passer rating was under 60.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

we have a great Defense

why arent we winning more games? if rookies that sucked can win 10 games why are we one of the worst teams in the league with a great running game good defense and decent special teams?

ill answer it for you. Gabbert has been beyond terrible

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Dec 10, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, why bother comparing stats or circumstances or anything

When we have the definitive word from Jaggaholic82. No questions asked, none needed, and none tolerated. Jaggaholic82 has spoken, and there is no further need to doubt or wonder.

by robert ethan on Dec 10, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone put any thought into

part of the problem is that maybe Gabbert went to a spread offense school in college because he was not good under center and what we are seeing on Sundays is what the spread offense kept scouts from seeing. Then we draft Gabbert force him under center and now his weakness is becoming evident?

Just a thought..

by floridaboiterk on Dec 8, 2011 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

Actually Gabbert wanted to go to Nebraska to play under Bill Callaghan

..in a classic pro style offensive system. Callaghan was fired just before Blaine was due to enroll, so he switched to Mizzou. Both teams at that point had similar offensive systems, but Gabbert decided to stay closer to home. He has always been considered a classic pro style QB, and most thought he was out of place playing the spread at Missouri. Almost the opposite of your suggestion. Of course he was there for three years, so he may have become more used to playing in shotgun formation. Gary Pinkel said more than once that they aggressively coached Blaine to avoid sacks and interceptions, which may explain his discomfort in the pocket and inclination to throw the ball away if he is in doubt. I really think that he is still learning the game. He didn’t play a lot of high school ball, and his two years as a college starter were spent in a gimmick offense.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that Koetter is just working out the offense that best suits Gabbert now

More of a West Coast style offense with quick, short, passes. They realize that Blaine isn’t comfortable in the pocket so they want to get the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible. That necessitates fine timing with his receivers, which takes time. Especially when the receivers are having to adjust to a new system as well. Not to mention the constant turnover there. They are bringing all these guys in to see which ones can adapt to that style the best, I presume. Then there will likely be a couple of fairly high draft picks spent at the position.

by robert ethan on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Too little too late

Koetter should have been adjusting his offense the first week Gabbert started.

Take stock in your lives, but leave your livestock alone

by MadKow on Dec 9, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

They had to see what would work for Gabbert

Obviously they couldn’t switch overnight to a Missouri Tiger style offensive scheme just so Gabbert would feel comfortable. There is little likelyhood that it would work at the NFL level in any case. The offensive system also has to suit the other personal on hand to some degree at least. It is always a work in progress to some degree, but when you change quarterbacks, and don’t have a firm grip on the strengths and weaknesses of that quarterback, the changes are accelerated and constant.

by robert ethan on Dec 9, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Next Year

will be completely different. I think there will be a sophomore wall he will reach, but the improvements will be evident.

by Nolan Sackett on Dec 9, 2011 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

When I was looking back to compare Gabbert's rookie stats

I came upon an article written prior to the 1993 draft regarding Drew Bledsoe. Something to the effect that top drafted quarterbacks were “now” (then) expected to step into the lineup earlier than before. The exact quote from an NFL exec at that time was “the traditional five year learning plan doesn’t exist any more. Look at Aikman he was ready in four years.”. Without getting all retro, the idea that a quarterback should be able to step in and excel as a 21 year old college junior eligible would have seemed preposterous in the past.

by robert ethan on Dec 9, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

when your eye

tells you he cant play then he cant play. and back then you could win solely with a good D and solid run game. cant do that now obvioulsy cuz we have both and are losing every game

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Dec 10, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

nah dude

hats are the real stat to keep track of….smh

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Dec 10, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Shake your head elsewhere

Stay out of my threads if you have nothing to contribute except your own unquestionable opinion.

by robert ethan on Dec 10, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

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