Jacksonville Jaguars Roster Retrospective: Secondary
This is the final article of my six part breakdown of the Jaguars roster based on performance, statistics and the all important eyeball test.
Today, in the final piece of my roster retrospective, I'll be looking at the Jaguars' secondary, which is really unfortunate. Before this, I was having a good day, but it's really hard to be sunny and smiling after a long hard look at the Jaguars secondary. This was truly the weakest unit on the team. By a lot. The majority of the Jaguars' struggles stem directly from the lack of talent in the secondary. There are a few bright spots, and I'll touch on them, but all in all, looking back on the Jags' secondary play makes me cringe. Anyways, it's time to fight down the gurgling in my stomach, hold my nose, and dive right in.
Safety: The Jaguars' safety play was terrible last year. So terrible that it was difficult to tell if the corners were bad or not. A lot of the long plays that were let up in the passing game were the result of safeties not being able to make plays. First off, there were three safeties that were on the roster coming into this season who did not last. The Jaguars shipped off Reggie Nelson and Gerald Alexander and Sean Considine were benched. Considine especially, was on and off the field all season.Considine started the first three games of the season, and had 24 tackles in those games, largely because he let people get open on him. He is an instictive player, and he made some very clutch plays for the Jaguars, none bigger than the game-saving interception he made against Cleveland in Week 11. The thing is... He's really not that talented. He is too slow, too weak, doesn't form tackle well enough... He's just not very good. That's why Philadelphia allowed him to go into free agency a few years ago, and that's why no one picked him up when we dropped him from the roster after week 3.
Don Carey replaced Considine starting in week 7. Yup, the Don Carey, who the Browns drafted as a cornerback that Gene snagged off of the waived/injured list. He proved ineffective as a corner and was moved to safety. He was getting his first NFL playing time this year, and it looked like it. He has better measurables than Considine, and tackled better than him too, but he was often out of position and late arriving to his spot in the zone. A free safety's job is to cover, to run around and make plays on deep passes. Carey suffered in that regard. He largely played the position because Courtney Greene was better suited to playing in the box than Carey. Hopefully he can be replaced, either through free agency or the draft. It would not be very good if we had to start Carey again next year.
I wrote a little snipped on the "Courtney Greene" effect in the aftermath of the Jaguars/Redskins game. It's worth looking at. I believe that Greene is the one bright spot at the safety position. He is a good hitter and can hold his own in the box. He has enough quicks to cover fairly well, and he was getting only his first real time as a starter this year. I expect him to start next year, and I expect improvement from him.
Corner: I'm not even gonna talk about David Jones, for the obvious reason that the mention of his name now sets off a nervous tick for me. His only role was filling in when some un-named problems popped up between Derek Cox and the Jaguars coaching, and he was absolutely terrible at it. I tend to believe that Cox being held out was a comfort thing and not a personal or performance thing. Either way, up until week 7, the right cornerback position was a disaster for the Jaguars. Once Cox returned, he began to show signs of continuing where he left off last year. He's not a shut-down corner, but he has great measurables and led the team in INTs while only playing a little more than half the season. He's very fast, very shifty, and he has the ball skills to go up and make a play on the ball. He needs a little work on the mental side of the game, but I'm absolutely looking forward to seeing him get a full season of playing time. He's gonna be good when he gets on the field again next year.
Rashean Mathis: What can I say? I think he's done. People made all kinds of excuses for him during the season, but all I saw from him was a lack of closing speed, and a player who didn't seem to know what he was doing. Probably he seemed lost on some plays because of the lack of safety help. Still, he was targeted enough to wind up with 57 tackles, mostly in the passing game, and still only came up with 1 INT. I never love being a hater. I wish my favorite players could last forever, but Mathis is getting to the point where I think he's legitimately lost a step and he was never the fastest guy to start with. With proper safety help, he can be a passable "Cover 2" corner, but he peaked a few years ago and is on his way down. He should not be trusted one-on-one or in the deep passing game.
Basically, you don't get to 28th in total pass defense and have a good-looking secondary. At times, the Jaguars' pass coverage was abysmal, but at other times individual players stood out. Derek Cox and Courtney Greene are the future of the Jaguars secondary, and basically everyone else is replaceable. William Middleton is a decent nickel option, Tyron Brackenridge is a solid special teamer and a possible dime guy/backup safety also. Who knows what the future holds for Scotty McGee, who is technically a CB/ returner. I'd say the Jaguars have a serious need at FS and CB. Don Carey and Rashean Mathis cannot be allowed to return without having to battle for their positions on the field. If they are, it is a sad day for the Jaguars defense, because both of those guys were bad last year. I'm expecting the Jaguars to draft a CB, and the team will likely sign a secondary player in free agency as well. Hopefully that'll be enough to make our secondary respectable.
If the Jags can get their secondary to a respectable spot heading into next year, I believe the offense is strong enough to carry the team. With the roster the way it is, young, the Jaguars could potentially get enough breakout performances from second year players to make a legitimate run at the playoffs next year. In Gene We Trust.
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Agreed.
And I hope Don Carey can improve. If I am not mistaken, FS was a new position for him. If the mental part is where he was lacking most, that is understandable. Hopefully an offseason of preparation at the FS position instead of CB will help him in that regard. But, like you stated, we can’t count on his improvement, so we must gain another option.
For what it’s worth, they moved Carey to safety because he was terrible at corner.
by Alfie Crow on Feb 22, 2011 9:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Obviously Gene saw something in Carey from an athletic standpoint
so he has the talent. Hopefully he can develop, but we’re going to grab a S in FA. After that, we need to draft a CB in the draft along with a LB and hopefully another DE. Our defense has some bright spots, but there are 3 or 4 holes that need to be filled in order to have a great defense. If we can fill that S or CB spot in FA, then we are that much closer to having a very respectable defense. Plus, I dont know if youve mentioned this in any of the articles, but with Tyson and Knighton continuing to develop with D’Anthony and Lane, we should have a pretty good defensive pass rush as long as Kampman and Mincey are healthy. That pressure up the middle from out DTs will help give our secondary a little more time. Also, having a LB who can drop in coverage will help our secondary. They really just had no help last year and that made everyone look really bad. I think Mathis is starting to fall, but he isnt that bad! Carey also will develop so I’m optimistic about the future.
I'm optomistic too.
Not necessarily about Carey but just about the team in general. You should check out the other articles I did if you’re interested. The D-line one had a real good discussion in the comments.
by Brian Levenson on Feb 22, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it’s me, but I still think pass rush is the biggest need on defense. I dont have a lot of faith in Mincey as a consistent pass rusher and Kampman’s coming off his ACL again. Even with Kampman, the pass rush still stunk because it was just him.
by Alfie Crow on Feb 22, 2011 9:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think Cam Jordan should be our 1st pick
or go after a DE in FA if that makes you feel any better Alfie haha
Good article...as always
I agree with keepers Cox and Greene
What is your opinion about the possible Mathis FS transition?
Any idea about IR secondary?:
FS Terrell Whitehead 6ft1in 194lb 22yrs
CB Terrance Wheatley 5ft9in 185lb 25yrs
What could of happened; did.
Wheatley may have a shot at being a decent player...
he was drafted by the Patriots haha
hey
..you have a point there..they have a documented history of finding gems from drafts, wavier wires and FA.
"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte
by 78hustla Jag on Feb 23, 2011 4:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think moving Mathis to FS is a good idea
I’ve seen him burnt pretty consistently this last year, and I’ve always thought he had the frame for the safety position. I posted as a comment on a previous article that Mathis actually was a FS when he came out in the draft, and as much as I remember Rashean picking off passes, I remember him at his best in the running game and in playing physical receivers tough.
At his best, he was a big, physical press corner with pretty good speed. Now that the speed isn’t as much of a strength, I feel like he would make the transition back to playing safety smoothly.
I know absolutely nothing about Wheatley or Whitehead. Neither really have any actual playing time under their belts.
Michael Coe is someone the Jags see some potential in. He actually made a few very nice plays in preseason from what I recall.
by Brian Levenson on Feb 22, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Cheers Alfie
So currently our secondary is comprised of
Starters:
Corner: Cox
Free Saftey: Mathis
Strong Safety: Greene
Backups:
CB Terrance Wheatley 5ft9in 185lb 25yrs IR
FS Terrell Whitehead 6ft1in 194lb 22yrs IR
DB Michael Coe where is he?
DB/KR Scotty McGee IR
Cut:
CB Jones,
CB Middleton,
CB Brackenridge,
CB Chancellor
S Considine,
S Carey,
S Hamlin
That’s a lot of deadwood. Three of the four backups are from IR. One isn’t on the roster.
Looking at the other thread about who we’ve talked to
Two or three of those should fall through the draft and be invited to tryout as FAs and have probably been sounded out about that.
- Marcus Gilchrist – CB/S – Clemson – Talked to(asked to play multiple positions)
- Josh Thomas – CB – Buffalo – Talked to
- Justin Rogers – CB – Richmond – Talked to
- Brandyn Thompson – CB – Boise St. – Talked to
- Shiloh Keo – S – Idaho – Talked to
We should also draft 2 or 3 secondary as it’s a deep draft for CBs. Sign super fit Sanders and Bob’s your uncle! Sorted.
What could of happened; did.
I'm not saying release all those guys
I’m just saying Middleton, Brackenridge and Carey shouldn’t be starters. You can keep them on the roster.
by Brian Levenson on Feb 23, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
You know
I hate him as a starter but in the situations when the game on the line and where the other team has to score and quick he came up with two huge plays. I haven’t reviewed either of those play, but it is saying something that a non-starter was not only in, but made both plays.
I don’t think Mathis is nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. He’s just not 2007-2008 Mathis anymore, but he’s still good. You’d need a really good corner to force him off the field. He’s not beat near as often as people think.
by Alfie Crow on Feb 22, 2011 9:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hit send to early: And bad safety play + poor pass rush tends to make corners look bad. Not to mention the multitude of plays where Mathis sits in a zone and releases a player to get blamed as being “burned”.
Mathis isn’t a negative in the back seven yet.
by Alfie Crow on Feb 22, 2011 9:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought about this...
And I decided that Cox looked good with the same amount (or lack as the case may be) of safety help. Cox made plays, he broke up passes, he stayed with his guys.
What the numbers show is that Rashean didn’t play nearly as well as Cox. NFL.com has 6 pass deflections and 1 pick for Rashean and 8 deflections and 4 picks for Cox, who played 7 less games. Really, that tells me more about Rashean than Cox.
by Brian Levenson on Feb 22, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cox wasn’t good. That’s the thing. Just having more picks/deflections doesn’t make a corner good or better. I mean, I could make the argument Mathis was thrown at less than Cox, even with Cox being benched teams picked on David Jones, so that’s why his “numbers” are less.
You also have to look at coverages on specific plays, etc. Frequently Mathis would play the short/flat zone and release a player to a safety who wasnt in position and Mathis would get blamed for being “burnt”. They play Mathis on the squat zones because of his ability to bait a QB. Sure, he got beat at times and he’s hitting the downside of his career, but the amount is over played.
Cox on the other hand played more man/deep zone and didn’t suffer the same type of safety mishap.
Removing Mathis from the secondary hurts it significantly more than it helps. The fact that he’s an “icon” so to speak too makes people harder on him.
by Alfie Crow on Feb 22, 2011 9:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To rephrase your statement:
“They play Mathis on the squat zones because of his ability to bait a QB” translates as “They play Mathis in zones because he lacks the overall ability to cover man to man.” I’m not saying the guy’s trash, I’m just saying if we’re comparing Cox and Mathis, Cox has more talent.
by Brian Levenson on Feb 22, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
THANK YOU Alfie
Exactly Cox is not good and will never be…He usually bites on a first move…You are correct he was thrown at a ton…He will never be worth the second rounder GENE SMITH gave up….IMO ots not smart to get a DB from a small school unless he runs like Chris Johnson speed…Case Closed…OUr first rounder should be spent on one of the btwo best DBs in the draft or cam Newton if he is there…I doubt we do a QB and its sad I get the feeling Cam might be there but we let our QB coach walk…If we were planning on draftin a QB with first pick I think we woulda made sure our QB coach was still there…So if Newton is there it will be tough to choose him…Also think its terrible our new hire QB coach cause we need to develop a QB with someone he will have confidence in…Not a former WR coach…Another Front Office Jacksonville blunder///
The entirety of your comment is complete garbage.
Not only is it incoherent, poorly thought out, and completely wrong, but you’re completely ignorant to what sound football decisions are. I don’t know why I bother reading your comments anymore, because they are always the opposite of correct. They couldn’t be farther from correct, and even though I know I’m wasting my time by writing this to you, I feel compelled to tell you that you are wrong about everything. You have been wrong about everything, and you will continue to be wrong until you learn to read and stop watching whatever shiny new thing catches your eye every 10 seconds.
Seriously
I have forgotten more football than what you know I bet…You just say my comment is garbage…What part? Come back with solid statements and say what I am wrong about..Cox? He bites on moves and his hips arent quick..Its risky taking guys from smaller schools…What receivers did he cover in college that equates to receivers he covers now that makes one think he could cover Andre Johnson or Reggie Wayne…Look at the numbers Wayne has with Cox on him…Then I say we doubtfully get a QB…So what am I wrong about…Yeah we need a developing QB…Let me tell you something…Football is a business…The Jags are running it like one…Not a team that wants to win..I don’t blame it all on Shack Harris..His blunder was Drayton Florence and Jerry Porter signing bonuses..Byron Leftwich too..I will still cheer for them and hope for the best but I can see you are a juice drinker…So if you want to debate a particular thought or sentence feel free to do so..So man up and lets hear what exactly you think I am wrong about…What I say is true…Cox Would be on the bench if he were a Packer plain and simple Packerman…
Ok, First of all...
I have no idea how old you are, but I guarantee you haven’t forgotten more than I know. Secondly, I believe I was clear in the subject line of my last comment that the entirety of your comment was garbage.
As for Cox, Alfie never said he will never be good. He said that he wasn’t good last year. That doesn’t mean that the entirety of his career will be awful. He was the best corner on the team, and he blanketed Reggie Wayne in the second game. Wayne had 5 catches for 34 yards in that game. In the first Colts game, David Jones was covering Wayne. That’s when Wayne blew us up.
As for small school prospects, I bet that Jerry Rice guy from Mississippi Valley State wasn’t any good. I bet Robert Mathis from Alabama A&T isn’t any good. How about that Joe Flacco guy? He’s terrible. Or Michael Turner? You’re right, he’ll never be any good. Don’t make blanket statements about small school guys. You’ll wind up coming out on the losing end.
Okay, then we have the QB stuff. Everything you wrote is so incoherent and unconnected that nothing you wrote made any sense. All I got out of it was that you didn’t like the QB coaching decision (which wasn’t our decision) and that you want to take Cam Newton.
Firstly, Mike Shula left of his own accord. Then we promoted from within. He was a WR coach, but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t know anything about quarterbacks. Did you know that Jon Gruden started out as a WR coach with the Packers? He turned out alright didn’t he? Then, when Monken left for Oklahoma State to be their offensive coordinator, we hired a guy that has been an OC and quarterbacks coach with several other teams. You obviously missed this news because you clearly had no idea what you were talking about when you made the comments about a WR coach grooming our new quarterback.
Secondly, you want Cam Newton. Did you hear the kid claim to be the next big thing in football? He thinks of himself as an “icon” in sports. No one in the locker room of ANY team in the NFL would want this kid on their team. He may be good, but why do you want a prima donna coming in fat off a new contract to act like he’s the reason football exists?
Wayne Weaver has said on many occasions that he wants a winning football team in Jacksonville. He said that if he doesn’t get one, he’ll fire the coaches and find someone who will make them a winner. You’re a complete moron if you think that there’s going to be immediate success after blowing up the roster 2 years ago. It just doesn’t work that way. It was a miracle for the team to do as well as it did the past 2 years. Do you know what Chuck Knoll’s records were when he started coaching the Steelers? He was 1-13, 5-9, 6-8. Then he won 4 Super Bowls in the next 8 years.
If the Jaguars were treating this team like a business, they would have drafted Tim Tebow. Every game would be blacked out. Team Teal wouldn’t exist. There wouldn’t be any special deals for tickets. The fact that those programs exist is quite frankly astounding. It shows that they care about more than just the bottom line.
As for Shack Harris: he made terrible personnel decisions. He can’t be the only one blamed, but he is the man in charge, so he gets the lion’s share. It works the same way in the military. The C.O. is in charge, so he is the one to blame when something goes wrong. Crap flows downhill, but his crap had piled up too high, and the Jags just needed to start again in a new place. I don’t wish any ill will toward any player that he picked or signed, but you can’t say that there were very many success stories from his time as VP of Player Personnel. You don’t even think MJD was a success.
And lastly, Cox probably would be on the bench if he played for the Packers. But the Packers also have 2 pro bowl corners, and a pro bowl safety on their team. They are probably the most talented secondary in the entire NFL. Oh, and both Nick Collins and Tramon Williams went to small schools.
By the way, my screen name has nothing to do with any kind of allegiance to the Packers. But thanks for trying.
Great point
When I hear of the hire, his previous job, and where we got him from, my honest 1st reaction was…WTF? Really hoping a year from now my feelings won’t be the same. Not a fan of the coach of the most important position on the field being a “learn-as-you-go” kind of endeavor. Funny thing, I get the feeling this hire was done as a result of our organization not being able to pay for someone with more experience..same thought I had with the hire of Del Rio…a dollar and cents move..makes you go hmmmm…
"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte
by 78hustla Jag on Feb 23, 2011 4:52 AM EST up reply actions
I see what you mean
At the bar, beer in hand…Colts are in the midst of another march down the field on the Jags, and on pass completion after pass completion, the camera immediately zooms on the defender closest to the receiver…time after time, I see Mathis’ jersey and immediately I blame Mathis for giving too much cushion. My fault for such a knee-jerk reaction in blaming Mathis, and big props to Mathis for shutting his mouth, playing football, and NOT throwing any other defensive players under the bus – even on blown coverages that may not have necessarialy been his fault..but on TV, the jersey we always see after a Manning-to-Collie bomb, is “Mathis”. Putting my beer down next season if there is one. Go Jags.
"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte
by 78hustla Jag on Feb 23, 2011 4:44 AM EST up reply actions
You're Wrong
Gerald Alexander was never traded. He was released in final roster cuts, brought back after Week 3, and then released again later in the season.
Reggie Nelson did not begin the season with the team. He was traded to Cincinnati before Week 1
Sean Considine was NEVER released from the team, just benched.
Don Carey did not tackle well.
Derek Cox, and early in the season, David Jones played RIGHT CB, not left.
my bad on the Right vs Left corner stuff
I’m conditioned to always think from the offenses side of the ball bc of Madden.
by Brian Levenson on Feb 22, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Also missed on Anthony Smith
’member him he was the first guy they penciled in as a starter leaving us all saying, “huh?” Then he got traded to the Pack.
That's who I forgot!
Yeah, we had a bunch of guys cycling thru and not doing much so they slipped my mind when I was writing this. I figured since they’re not on the team anymore there’s no point in looking at their potential for next year.
by Brian Levenson on Feb 23, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
It's understandable
we didn’t know about him before the season and soon wanted to forget about him after we saw him.
So he had a flash of notoriety and was gone...
A few seconds of being public enemy No1. and back to anonymity.
Hate it when that happens.
What could of happened; did.

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