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More research on the QB draft position question

A good friend introduced me to a fun, new phrase today: "no Po-mo." It's used sort of like one would say "no homo," except with overly pretentious and "post-modern" things instead of in matters of sexual preference. Example: "No po-mo, but Jersey Shore makes me really wonder about the future of television." Well, I'm gonna call "no Po-mo" for now as I tackle the question of whether or not to draft a QB in the first round.

There has been plenty of talk on BCC about first round QB's. Articles have been written insisting that a first round QB is the only safe way to find somebody you can count on at the QB position. People on the site have done their research, and I found it all very interesting, but I was curious to do some reading of my own. So what I've done is taken a look at the last 7 NFL drafts and sifted through the nobodies to pull out all the current starters and recognizable names. I ended up with a list of 35 QBs taken from every round and I've looked into how many of them are hits and misses based on 1) Draft position, 2) number of starts, and 3) if they are considered their team's starter.

I was fairly surprised by what I saw.

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First off, of the 35 QB's on the list, 19 of them were first rounders, and 16 of them were from other rounds. The list includes a total of 19 out of 32 starting QB's. This means there are 13 starting QBs who have been in the league longer than 7 years. Anyways, here are the lists:

First rounders: Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisburger, J.P. Losman.

Other rounds: Jimmy Clausen (2), Colt McCoy (3), John Skelton (5), Pat White (2), Brian Brohm (2), Chad Henne (2), Kevin Kolb (2), Trent Edwards (3), Tavaris Jackson (2), Charlie Whitehurst (3), Bruce Gradkowski (6), Charlie Frye (3), Kyle Orton (4), Derek Anderson (6), Ryan Fitzpatrick (7), Matt Cassel (7)

I'd consider this a pretty good "who's who" of quarterbacks taken in the last 7 years of drafts. I tried to include only players who have been given legitimate opportunities to start, and not players who will be career backups. This sort of situation could be claimed for Brian Brohm (behind Aaron Rodgers) and Kevin Kolb (behind Michael Vick), but I'll let that slide for the purposes of this experiment, because I see them as potential quality players. I'd also like to point out that there is some uncertainty over starting QB's on teams like Arizona, Minnesota, and Tennessee who essentially have starting QB's for lack of a better option. There is also the unique case of Oakland who has two QBs who could both easily turn out to be the starter come next year. I actually decided to call Campbell and Gradkowski each "half a starter" for the purposes of this experiment.

Anyways, for first rounders, 10.5 out of the 19 (55+%) are starting. That number is slightly skewed, because it doesn't take into account that Cutler and Campbell (among others) were moved from their original teams and their services were not retained. Still, that means that one can expect about a 50-60% success rate with a first round QB.

For non-first round QB's, my assessment was that there were 6.5 legitimate starters, 2 starters in name only (Jackson and Skelton), 6 not starting (including Kolb), and Charlie Whitehurst who probably won't start next year but might. All things considered, that leaves us with: Clausen, McCoy, Skelton, Henne, Kolb, Gradkowski, Fitzpatrick, Jackson (yuck!), Cassel, and Orton who I could consider starters. That's 8.5 (since I'm considering Gradkowski a half starter, and Kolb doesn't start), or 53+% of the 16 later round players who were given a shot to start who are their team's starting quarterback.

Obviously, the jury is still out on some of these players including first rounders as well as non-first rounders, but what I'm beginning to see is that plenty of players picked in later rounds have performed just fine when given the chance. The way I've somewhat fudged these numbers, 50-60 percent of players drafted to be starters in the first round are starters, and about 50 percent of later round players given the opportunity are starters. That's pretty close to even. Orton (4) and Fitzpatrick (7) put up surprisingly strong numbers while on bad teams last year, and guys like Kolb (2), Cassel (7), and Henne (2) can be considered respectable starting QBs.

It seems to me that what is more important than draft location is opportunity. EVERY first round player was given at least two or three years as the leader of their offense. The backups only get sparing opportunities, and the 15 later round QB's listed here make up maybe one fifth of all QB's taken in those rounds. If later round players were given the 2nd and 3rd chances the first rounders received, who knows how many of them would have caught on. As it stands, of the QB's drafted in the last seven years, 55% of first round picks are starting, and 53% of "quality" later-round players are starting. Those numbers get bogged down when you include players like Casey Bramlet or Jim Sorgi, but it didn't take too much number-fudging work to show that, when given a legitimate chance, late-round draftees can perform just as well as first rounders.

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You’re not simply looking for just a “starter” though. You want a good/great player, not another bridge. Vast majority of those are first rounders. Think you’re stretching this a bit much.

by Alfie Crow on Mar 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree.

You’re getting sloppy Brian.

by Slvrgun on Mar 15, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coaches aren't stupid

They know in practice if a quarterback isn’t their best option. The amount of “opportunity” as you put it is there for them the minute they’re on a team. If they’re not starting, they’re not supposed to be starting.

Here’s where I THOUGHT you were going with the opportunity thing: teams have opportunities to draft good quarterbacks no matter what the round. Remember Brady? Remember Kurt Warner? Yeah those are exceptions to the rule, but it’s all about opportunity in drafting. Who knows? Maybe a quarterback falls/rises on draft boards to where we pick him at 16. That’d be an opportunity. Maybe the opportunity rises for us to trade back and grab one, or still be able to get our man at 49 in the second. I don’t really care about draft order, I care about a good GM on draft day seizing the perfect opportunity for his team.

by Vicbow on Mar 15, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

For example on what Alfie was saying...

I wouldn’t mind drafting players of similar qualities to Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler (yah, I know), Manning, Rogers, Rives or Roethlisberger. That’s a pretty solid list.

From the second list I’d only take Orton. Honarable mentions going to McCoy, Henne and Cassel. Don’t forget we already have a Trent Edwards who is younger than yet still NOT going to start over Garrard. I also think this would have been more accurate had you included the nobodies in your second list, for the purposes of having an accurate sample. Remember, you only picked out those with potential and very few of those are close to special.

I appreciate the enthusiasm entirely, but half way through the post I was thinking, “You’re right we should go for someone in the first round,” and then you Shyamalan’d me, lol.

by Mr.Awesome on Mar 15, 2011 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

It's settled then

Let’s take Tolzien in the 7th and give him 3 solid years at starter to become the next Brady.

by CheapSeat on Mar 15, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

with your point about opportunity but when I looked at your list I felt we could pull the trigger on any moron in the first and get a starter.

I’m becoming resigned – against my will – to taking a QB in the first round. Do you think NE would swap 16 for 28 and 33?
 We could pick up Ponder at 28 because teams after 16 don’t need a QB. Then trade 33 down for two picks overnight when it becomes a really sought after pick.
Or we could pick BPA at 28 and get Ponder at 33 ahead of all the QB needy teams.

What could of happened; did.

by Mullayo on Mar 15, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t be quick to do that if I were the Pats…but here’s to hoping.

by CheapSeat on Mar 15, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope thats what happens

But yes the pats might be reticent to do that. And (worse) ponder could go off the board before 16.

by Vicbow on Mar 15, 2011 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I kind of got what you were getting at, but not sure it’s really what you were trying to get at.

Don’t worry… I’ve spent hours writing up an article then trying to do all the data to support it only to find out it doesn’t.

by Alfie Crow on Mar 15, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for putting this up man. I definitely see your point and it would make me feel more open to the idea of taking a guy in a later round (for real). But, out of this crop and the widespread need in the league; I think all of the guys worth their salt will be gone early. Although, McElroy in a late round…I mean the dude has a championship…

by CheapSeat on Mar 15, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

championship doesnt amount to much

People who win championships in college don’t necessarily win championships in the pros

by Vicbow on Mar 15, 2011 9:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If Gene does it, I’ll be on board

by Vicbow on Mar 16, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

McElroy

reminds me of Drew Brees a bit. I think he is going to be a sleeper pick. Id like to see us get him in a later round as well.

by chrisltr22c on Mar 16, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

QB class a disappointment

After all the hype about this quarterback class, the prospects have overall been kind of disappointing. There’s no clear-cut, top, polished quarterback. the guy with the best arm might be the fifth qb taken (mallet), the guy with the best accuracy has shoulder issues and had only one good season (ponder), last year’s potential number one pick can’t seem to hit the backside of a barn with a football (locker), and the proven winner had looked downright mediocre until his pro day (dalton). With Gabbert, Newton, Kapernick, Devlin, and Stanzi rounding out the QBs, It seems like a lot of teams will scoop up quarterbacks, but how many of them will be good ones? Moreover, how does draft hype match teams boards? Last year, Clausen was hyped as a guaranteed first rounder, Pike as a second-third rounder, etc. That obviously didn’t happen. Is Ponder really going to be a first round pick? Is Locker really going to go to Washington at 12 or seattle at 25? Will Dalton and Kapernick be gone before the Jags pick in round 2? And more importantly, should we care?

That being said, BAQB in 2nd or 3rd between Mallet, Ponder, Locker, Kapernick, Dalton. If not, let’s snag tyrod taylor in 6 or 7, bring back matt jones, and run a three qb option-wildcat offense, with Taylor in the backfield, matt jones as h-back, and DG at QB. Suck on that, Miami.

by z2g on Mar 16, 2011 1:12 AM EDT reply actions  

And this may not be a typical draft

With no free agency to supplement the draft, some teams may decide (panic) to go for best available need vs best available player (no trades would be allowed during the draft). They shouldn’t, but if they did, the premium player would be QB. If the really QB needy teams decide to pull the trigger on QB’s in the first round, then alot of good players may fall and be available. Not saying it will happen, but if a new CBA isn’t in place this could be a very different draft, and player predicted position could be thrown right out the window.

by whazaaap on Mar 16, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

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