The Case for Letting Mike Sims-Walker Walk
A lot of Jaguars fans are concerned about the Jaguars' receiving corps now that Mike Sims-Walker has been allowed to walk. That is a completely understandable, and I see why people are concerned, however, calling wide receiver a "need" like Alfie did earlier today might be an overreaction. Wide Receiver is a "want" certainly, but I feel like the decision to let Sims-Walker leave does not force Gene's hand as much as some might think. In my opinion, there are plenty of valid reasons for allowing MSW to leave in free agency. Here are a half-dozen reasons I see for letting Sims-Walker go into free agency without fear:
1) Jason Hill: I know many of you Jags fans aren't sold on Jason Hill. After all, he managed only 11 catches in 6 games. Well, let's look at those six games. Hill was signed off the street directly onto the roster, so his 6 games actually was not really six games. He was thrown on the field for a couple of plays week 12 when he was signed and made one catch. That was without ANY knowledge of the playbook or anything. He was simply plugged in as the third receiver on a few plays. He also flashed the ability to make the long reception with a tiptoe-ing, back corner, one-handed catch he made just out of bounds. He caught a 48-yard bomb two weeks later against Oakland, and after that the Jaguars started inserting him more into the game. In the last three games, he had 9 catches for 185 yards, and more importantly, he could get open deep down the field. Mike Sims-Walker, for all his ability, never showed me that he could get up and bring down a deep pass and the team tried often. Having a deep threat at wide receiver is incredibly important, because it forces the safety to play on their heels for the pass, rather than getting up on their toes to make plays in the running game. Hill is undoubtedly a better deep threat than Mike Sims-Walker.
2) Zach Miller: Miller was an excellent draft selection. He has breakaway speed, good size, and according to the Jaguars' coaching staff, his blocking ability has been improving every year. I like seeing Miller on the field, because he is a clear match-up problem. He'll toast linebackers, he's stronger than most corners, and he could be flexed out into the slot to draw another person off the line to make room for Maurice Jones-Drew. Miller can really run, has solid hands, and is consistently improving as a blocker. I'd like to see Miller on the field more. Instead of using three receivers, the Jaguars could just go single back, two TE's and have the threat to run and throw equally well from the same set. Is Zach Miller as good as a wide receiver? The number one goal on offense is to create mismatches. A guy like Miller can do that. He's not exactly as good as a wide receiver, but he is definitely an asset to the Jaguars offense that could be used more and to greater effect.
3) Jarret Dillard: I have the tendency to forget about Jarret Dillard myself, but when we drafted him, he was one of the quickest, shiftiest wideouts in the draft. It remains to be seen exactly how good Dillard is, but every offseason I hear "Dillard looks good" so I'm willing to go with that. Keep in mind that Sims-Walker, who everyone is clamoring to keep missed his first two seasons with the Jaguars with injuries as well.
4) Good teams do it: I know that sounds like a silly heading, but I have a point to make. Think about Brandon Stokley. In 2004, he was the hottest thing since sliced bread. The Colts fed him balls like Hungry Hungry Hippos and his YAC numbers were insane. Then what happened? He went to Denver where he basically busted, and now he's on Seatlle, where he started zero games and was essentially a waste of space. Think of Deion Branch. Tom Brady made him from a decent receiver into a great one, and what do the Patriots do? They let him go. They deal him for picks to Seattle where his best year he caught 53 balls for 725 yards. Santonio Holmes is an inconsistent receiver who flashes the ability to make the big catch, and what do the Steelers do? They trade him. Good teams are good teams because they know when their players have reached the end of their usefulness and are willing to part with them. And good teams consistently lets other teams overpay for their players. That's what the Jaguars are doing now.
5) Mike Sims-Walker: Let's be honest here, if you look at MSW's career, would you pay him? He did not play in his first year in the NFL because of injury. In 2008, he had 16 receptions over nine games. He only made catches in 6 of those 9 games. Of course, eleven of those catches game in two games against the Steelers and Texans early in the season. In 2009, Sims-Walker finally got a full season under his belt and he played well. 63 catches for 869 yards. Of course, for the record, he had seven games in his best season where his stat line was less than 2 catches for 28 yards. In 2010, he was playing through an ankle injury. Ok, that's all fine and good, but he still only had two great games. 10 for 105 mostly in garbage time against the Chargers and 8 for 153 against Dallas who were just an absolutely terrible team at that point in the season. Remove those two games and Sims-Walker made 25 catches for 304 yards over 12 games. Most importantly, in his four year career, MSW has 1,648 yards. I don't want to pay Sims-Walker to be a number one receiver.
6) There's a sucker born every minute: Someone will want to pay Sims-Walker to be a number one receiver. I would bet that some team is going to look at Sims-Walker's 2009 season and offer him a lot of money. They won't realize that he has the tendency to disappear in games, or that he struggles at times holding on to the ball, they'll just see a receiver with good physical talent and want him. We would have to compete with those teams to keep Sims-Walker on the field, and I don't see him as being worth #1 WR money. Right now, the Redskins, Bengals, and Rams are all desperately looking for wideouts, and if the Redskins are in the market, you can bet they'll throw a whole lot of money around. Also, the Jaguars receive compensation in the form of draft picks based on the contracts that their free agents sign. Let someone else sign Sims-Walker to a huge deal, and use the compensatory pick you'll get from it to take some late round WR next year.
There are reasons to keep Sims-Walker around, but as you can see, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for letting him go. I think that all in all this is the right choice for the Jaguars. I wouldn't mind at all if Sims-Walker went on to have a great season somewhere else, I would still consider this a reasonable move by Gene and the Jaguars' front office, and I still don't see much reason to doubt the ability of the Jaguars offense just because MSW is gone. Also, for those of you with short memories, the Jaguars made the playoffs in 2007 with the following receiving corps: Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Dennis Northcut, and Ernest Wilford...
Yeah, I feel a lot better about the guys we have now.
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Mike Sims-Walker, for all his ability, never showed me that he could get up and bring down a deep pass and the team tried often
Disagree with this. MSW was open downfield quite a bit but wasn’t looked at. That’s part of the reason he spoke out about it early in the year. Don’t agree with saying Hill is undoubtedly better at getting open deep than Walker. Quite frankly, BOTH were open often down the field and just flat out missed.
Hill, Two, and Three are potential. Potential gets people fired. Miller was supposed to be a big weapon this year and he did squat, again.
I’m not sure anyone’s advocating throwing money at Sims-Walker, nor are there any indications he’s asking for a big contract. People keep talking about paying him to be this and that, and quite frankly I don’t understand where this is coming from. Are there reports he’s looking for big money I’m not seeing? Why is there this big assumption that’s he’s want number one receiver money? I think we’re all jumping the gun in that regard.
I’m curious to see what the numbers are given to Jason Hill.
I get the reasons for letting him walk, I just think it’s irresponsible to weaken an already weak and unproven group if you think you’re in contention. If Sims-Walker in fact did want big money and they scoffed, fine. I don’t think we should automatically assume that’s the case, however. I don’t understand how you can “feel better” about the guys we have when only one receiver is proven, and he’s only entering his third season. That’s a whole ton of faith in the unknown. Agree to disagree, I guess.
I think I'm in the middle here
While Walker’s production here cannot be marginalized, he wasn’t a star. He has been our best receiver for two seasons now, although Mike Thomas looks like he’s taking that title. The receiving corps will be weaker without him (at least in 2011). However, he was inconsistent, and really didn’t seem to be ascending anymore. Gene Smith is going to try Jason Hill (for what I would assume to be a cheaper contract), and pick up the extra draft pick (if it still exists). As Brian has pointed in the story, many teams have done this before with good results.
MSW was as much a potential player as Dillard
But we counted on him in 09 and it payed off.
Also, Miller isn’t a “potential” player. He rarely sees the field because he’s a backup to a top-3 all around TE in the NFL. When he’s been called on, he’s made plays including some a very long TD catch against Houston. Heck, we ran an end around with him in one game and he was quick enough to get positive yards out of it.
I think it’s totally reasonable to wonder why we’re letting MSW walk. I’m just supplying reasonable ways to rationalize the decision.
by Brian Levenson on Mar 4, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Jarett Dillard has played in seven games. He has six career receptions. That’s not even comperable to Sims-Walker. That’s not even potential. That’s more hope he even makes it to the football field and gets into the game at all.
Miller is totally a potential player. He gets less snaps than Zach Potter does. If he was as good as he was talked up to be, he’d see the field more. It’s not Marcedes Lewis holding him down.
Sims-Walker had 16 catches in 9 games over 2 seasons
Sounds pretty comparable to me. Basically both of them showed some potential but had their seasons cut short by injury. We bet on the unknown with Sims-Walker, and we’ll do it again with Dillard.
Official word on Miller was that he was dealing with a lingering leg injury through most of the year. That is what kept him off the field. Coincidentally, I also happen to like Zach Potter (more than I probably should).
by Brian Levenson on Mar 4, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
i like jason hill, i think he only had one dropped pass since he got on our team, he was dependable, and didnt even know our team that well as you said
He had one great year
but it is time for him to go. Now its time for Jason Hill to step up
by TheonlyJagsfaninSD on Mar 4, 2011 10:43 AM EST reply actions
Are you the only Jags fan in San Diego or South Dakota?
Because if it’s South Dakota, you’re probably right. If it’s the other one, then you are not so right
by JohnnyBiceps on Mar 4, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Nicely said
I didn’t feel good after letting MSW walk. But after reading this, I feel better. Great points made. We tend to forget how he was inconsistent he was. His career stats with Jags are stats of a #1 WR for one year.
Also, I don’t rememer which game it was, but Jason Hill was wide open for what looked like an easy TD, and Garrard over threw it terribly, which lead to an INT. If I’m not mistaken, it would have probably been a go ahead TD. We ended up losing that game.
I wish we could have gave MSW a deal, but I think both sides knew they wouldn’t agree on one. He was a great person to have on the team, he loved interacting with fans. He’ll be a good #2 to have on a team that has a quailty QB.
bad grammar i know....
I’m on the go at work…
sorry
but I think ur talking about Tiquan Underwood deep, and ball was picked off against Philly or San Diego.
"Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
by rhettchrystal on Mar 4, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
No, I did some research.
It was the Colts game for the division. We would have tied the game up in the 3rd quarter. It was Jason Hill…
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010121903/2010/REG15/jaguars@colts/recap#tab:watch
Easy TD
He would have ran that right up the middle for a TD
I know you guys could use some Dline help, but do you think Julio Jones could be the pick if he slides to #16?
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Mar 4, 2011 12:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If Julio Jones is at pick 16 it means someone threw a grenade in the war room of the Rams and Dolphins.
What if..
MSW goes to Rams? Dolphins seem like that need a RB more than a WR to clash with Marshall.
by molina1202 on Mar 4, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And Lions, Vikings, and Redskins.
Julio Jones is a top eight talent. No way he reaches #13 [the Lions] let alone # 16.
"A lot of people have stayed 3 minutes in the ring with the bear, and they didn't do it by going at the bear. They did it by getting on their bike and running around. - Jim Schwartz 2011
I'd say no to Julio
I don’t think it’s Gene Smith’s style to take a WR early when we need help all over the defense.
by Brian Levenson on Mar 4, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
but hes a top 5 player
and thats BAP.
"Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
by rhettchrystal on Mar 4, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
It's possible.
I wouldn’t count on it tho
by Brian Levenson on Mar 4, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'm as big a Bama fan follow Panhandle/Mobile area football quite a bit, etc. and I'm just not sold on Jones.
He just seemed like he was always on cruise control
WAIT WHAT?
just remember we had the best RB tandem in the game that year and Matt Jones had a great year
I feel good about this
I figured he would be let go this off season for all reasons listed here. Remember, MSW’s greatest strength has always been his hnds but he dropped some key passes this season. His greatest weakness has always been his injury prone legs and that’s dogged him 3 out of 4 seasons.
Also, this reminds me of the cuts that were made at the beginning of the 2010 season. Some moves were made that appeared puzzling but the bottom line was that the jaguars got younger especially at the two safety positions. That ended with Don Carey being bad and Courtney Greene developing into a stronger player. Gene Smith believes his younger receivers (Hill, Dillard, Underwood) will step up and grow in MSW’s absence.
The slot spot is already locked up by Thomas. I expect big things from him in his third year, which is typically when wide receivers break out. Underwood was not that great last season but in my opinion he was benched too soon. He made a clutch play against the colts in week 4 and he made a huge mistake against… either Cleveland or New York, can’t remember.
What were Dillard’s injuries, does anyone remember? If they were freak injuries, I understand but if they’re more of a liability thing, then that creates issues.
Basically, all these players are wild cards, including MSW. His absence creates lower numbers at the position but not lower guarantees in player quality.
Everyone is saying that
we had a great RB tandem in 07 with bad receivers, but we dont have that tandem anymore. In my opinion Rashad Jennings and Maurice Jones-Drew is just as good of a two-back punch.
"Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
MoJo and Rashad the same as Fred and MoJo?
Just clarifying… is that what you said?
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……………………………………..________ we had a great RB tandem in 07 with bad receivers, but we dont have that tandem anymore. In my opinion Rashad Jennings and Maurice Jones-Drew is just as good of a two-back punch. "Don't go away Mad, Just go away." we had a great RB tandem in 07 with bad receivers, but we dont have that tandem anymore. In my opinion Rashad Jennings and Maurice Jones-Drew is just as good of a two-back punch. "Don't go away Mad, Just go away." The Jaguars rushed for 2,395 yards last season… Just sayin.
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Again, that’s not to say that Jennings= Freddy, but you were facepalming over someone saying that Mojo + Jennings =/= Freddy + Mojo. Also, since when has win/loss ratio become a way to measure the talent of individuals? I can understand using record to break down a team as a whole, but one player does not a team make. Hell, an overpowered offense doesn’t always win you games. Would you say the Texans have a bad offense because they only won 6 games last season? They were top ten
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over someone saying Mojo + Jennings = Freddy + Mojo
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means the same thing one means equal, and one means congruent. "Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
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= with the / in it, but there is no key so =/= is the same thing. "Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
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If you’re argument was it worked in 2007 and pointing out the running game was about equal, I was pointing out the results were not. And Mojo/Jennings doesn’t equal Taylor/Mojo. Not even close. Jennings had 84 carries and less than 500 yards. Jones Drew in 07 had 167 carries and nearly 800 yards plus 400 receiving yards. 2007 Jaguars: 2,391 rushing yards, 2nd in the NFL The team’s record is different, but the running game (while not exactly the same) was equally effective between 2007 and 2010. My comparison between 2007 and 2010 was talking about the receivers. The current batch of wideouts without MSW are still more talented IMO than the group we had in 2007. That’s all I’m saying, and I feel like that’s something almost every Jags fan would agree with.
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The Pittsburgh playoff game is a great memory when he had that return. .-,……………………………….|,./…..\,_ This showing up on any1 elses screen? "Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
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For the record
Our running game was about as effective as it was in 2007.
I’m saying statistically that relationship isn’t unreasonable.
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well congruent is really
What I'm saying is
2010 Jaguars: 2,395 rushing yards, 3rd in the NFL
don't forget all of MJDs work in the return game in '07
what the heck?
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There may also be another factor...
…and it is kinda subliminal. Certain play calling and a good QB/WR relationship can help a receiver. Mike was supposed to be the go to guy, then Marcedes Lewis steps up. Now Mike Thomas is in the mix. Somewhere along the line, either coaches or the QB (or both) drifted away from MSW. As Alfie stated there were times MSW was open and just not looked at. Why?
What may have happened is a lack of confidence in MSW somewhere along the line. I could be wrong, but maybe it is better that MSW moves on, where he has a chance to be “the guy” from the start. He wasn’t going to get that status here, and it would have hurt him and the team. Bring in another guy from the draft, with the intent of making him a #1, and the focus is on him, and not on Mike T. or Marcedes anymore. Will David G. let go of his two favorites and push the ball to the new guy? I think it will help David to have to try and get the ball to a new #1, knowing that he already has two dependable back ups. It may force him to go an extra step in his reads. I don’t think he was doing that while MSW was in the line up. Of course, I could be wrong. Just a thought.
If I had to choose between MSW or MT....
I would rather have MT on my team. I do not know much about receiver having never played the position, but it seemed to me that the Garrard / Thomas chemistry was better, and completing passes is what it is all about. In my opinion, we did not just get rid of our number one receiver, and I am sure GM Gene and the guys have a very good reason for why they let MSW go.
by GAJAGFAN on Mar 4, 2011 2:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
dont forget
that MT is durable.
"Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
by rhettchrystal on Mar 4, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
He was overrated anyhow.
Not very fast. Dropped slightly challenging balls. Wussed out over the middle. Sure, he had moments, but every receiver in the NFL should be capable on some level. The Jaguars will most likely not miss him and he can be easily replaced. It was certain he would be asking for a big pay raise. One he didn’t deserve. Good luck to him in the future, and rest assured the future of the Jaguars hasn’t been harmed by this move.
The Teal and Black are comin' back!
Why was it “certain” he was asking for a big pay raise?
People keep saying this, but I challenge someone to support this notion.
Wussed out of the middle? Really?
dude
if ur a #1 receiver, ur going to ask for #1 money.
"Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
by rhettchrystal on Mar 4, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
I know he isnt a typical #1,
but in our offense he was a #1 receivers, making him a #1 receiver, so he would ask for #1 money.
"Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
by rhettchrystal on Mar 5, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Teams never game planned for MSW
they do, however, gameplan for MJD. Realistically, true #1 receivers are similar in many ways to top notch quarterbacks. Not every team has a true #1 receiver. Niners, Browns, Jags, Titans, Washington, St. Louis, to name a few.
Not saying MSW was bad, but rather saying he was probably at this point the best of the receiving corps. Not to say Mike Thomas wouldn’t surpass him or Jarrett Dillard or even Hill.
I don’t know if he wanted a big pay raise or not, all I know is that i’m not sad we let him go. I like the guy, he was great with the fans and i wish him best of luck wherever he lands, but he deals with lots of injuries and was nothing close to a #1 receiver, last season he dropped many passes and really only shined against the Cowboys.
Do I think we have a #1 receiver? no. But we need to find one and hope a few guys step up.
"Do I need to be liked? Absolutely not! I like to be liked, I enjoy being liked, I have to be liked. But it's not like this compulsive need to be liked...like my need to be praised." Michael Scott
I get it, you love MSW. Mike Thomas didn’t have as many drops as MSW had, but you will mention stats, won’t you?
"Do I need to be liked? Absolutely not! I like to be liked, I enjoy being liked, I have to be liked. But it's not like this compulsive need to be liked...like my need to be praised." Michael Scott
You'd have a point there if it was even close to true.
Mike Thomas is about as surehanded as they come in the NFL. I’m legitimately struggling to think of any passes he dropped last season. Nothing’s coming to mind.
by Brian Levenson on Mar 4, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Thomas did drop a couple of passes Brian, but not even close to MSW.
"Do I need to be liked? Absolutely not! I like to be liked, I enjoy being liked, I have to be liked. But it's not like this compulsive need to be liked...like my need to be praised." Michael Scott
The big mis-cue that I remeber about MT.....
was the fumbled return. I think that was against the Bills? He seemed to get his act together and don’t remember any more fumbles on returns. Thought I do not have stats, and it is far to close to beer time for me to look them up, but I remember MT being pretty sure handed.
How many did Sims-Walker drop? Give a number. There seems to be this feeling that he dropped passes all the time and that’s not true at all. Everyone points to the Giants game, when Garrard threw high and behind on a slant and it bounced off his right arm for an INT. That’s not a drop.
Thomas had a few drops as well. He had one, like MSW, that when off him for an INT I believe in the Browns game.
MT
is more durable, more versatile, and makes bigger plays. And can return punts/kicks.
He is a complete package.
"Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
by rhettchrystal on Mar 4, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Thomas has had an injury every season of his career in Jacksonville.
I’m just pointing out how people are assigning all of these faults to Sims-Walker as to why it was a good idea to let him go, when Mike Thomas has a lot of the same faults but is viewed as better and a true number one receiver.
Alfie listen
The bottom line is MIke Thomas is way more exciting to watch so arguing about MIke Walker compared to MIke Thomas nobody is gonna pick Sims Walker…NAd being honest Mike Thomas is the one bright spot on offense and Marcades Lewis…But I still would never of gave the franchise tag to Lewis…Let him go and use that money for one of the premier DBS out there….Zach Miller Could be just as productive…
alfie,
it seems like on every form that you comment on you’re arguing with somebody. what’s wrong with you today?
I don't mind him going.
TBH I don’t think he fitted into the culture we’re trying to create. Was a bit of a primadonna and sickness beneficiary.
What could of happened; did.
prima donna?
How? By publicly asking for more looks? I want my receivers to do that. Better to do that than shrug your hands on the field and show up your qb.
Funny you mention that
I think you and I are trying to look as objectively as we can on why the team feels it needs to cut bait with MSW but I for one can’t see what the thinking is. I’m not as sold on Hill as many others here, Dillard, I really hope he is healthy but to date he has proven unreliable.
For people to call him a prima donna is grossly inaccurate. All he ever did was say he wanted more looks and it took on a little bit of a life of its own. And if memory serves, Jeff Lageman showed that Sims Walker was in fact not getting looks when he was clearly open.
I mean, you’re talking not even a combined 20 catches as Jaguars between the two guys!
I truly think we’re going to regret this move, unless some team offers him ridiculous money ala Wilford to the Dolphins.
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