Jaguars One of Three AFC South Teams Showing Interest in Colin Kaepernick
by Alfie Crow on Apr 10, 2011 2:16 PM EDT
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PrintThe Jacksonville Jaguars are one of three AFC South teams showing heavy interest in Nevada quarterback Colin Kaepernick. According to Evan Silva of ProFootballTalk.com, Jacksonville Jaguars quarterbacks coach Mike Sheppard spent multiple hours privately with Kaepernick after his Nevada Pro-Day. Sheppard and Kaepernick spent a lot of the time doing board and film work. The Indianapolis Colts and Tennessee Titans both have shown interest in the talent quarterback and some feel as if the Titans will pick him if he's still available at the 39th overall pick.
"I'm hearing that the Titans at 39 could be the pick [for Kaepernick]," the source told ProFootballTalk. "Unless a team grabs him prior to that. And the possibility of a team trading into the second half of the first round for Kaepernick is very real."
Doug Farrar of Football Outsiders and Sports Press Northwest likened Kaepernick to some other "surprise" first round picks in the past two drafts, Tyson Alualu and Josh Freeman.
In every draft, there's a pick that comes out of nowhere and leaves everyone surprised. Last year, the Jacksonville Jaguars shocked most observers by taking Cal defensive lineman Tyson Alualu with the 10th overall pick when many had him at a second-round grade. Similarly, in a quarterback class that is muddled at best, I'm of the belief that NFL teams are going to rate Kaepernick higher and higher the more they watch him, talk with him, and work him out.
He needs adjustments to his throwing motion and overall offensive concepts, but in an NFL where there's three times as many shotgun sets as there were a decade ago, and Chan Gailey put together a productive NFL offense based on the Pistol with the Kansas City Chiefs in 2008, forward-thinking executives looking for real value at the game's most important position might zero in on Kaepernick and make him this year's out-of-the-box first-rounder. The Josh Freeman comp is based less on specific attributes and more on the fact that Freeman had all the measurables and intangibles in a unique package like Kaepernick.
If Colin Kaepernick is truly a target for the Jacksonville Jaguars, they will either need to select him with the 16th overall pick or maneuver around in the draft to select him before the run on quarterbacks that many feel will occur at the end of Round 1 and the start of Round 2.
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I certainly hope we don't take him 16th.
I know he’s well liked here, but I am not a big fan.
I have no desire to see the Jags draft this cat.
When the Bucs took Freeman
I thought it was a horrible reach. He probably would have been around when they picked had they not traded up to get him. I still think the pick was a reach because they gave up stuff to get him when he would have been around later. He performed very well last year, but if I were in Tampa’s situation, I still wouldn’t have traded up to get him (at 17 I believe). That brings me to Kaepernick. I think Freeman is a good comparison because of both being “raw” prospects. The areas that need work are different, but they offer similar value. Who knows, Colin might turn out to be the next big thing, and nobody would question the pick after that. If I had my druthers and was picking for the Jaguars, I’d wait it out and see what the second round deals me if I’ve passed on a quarterback in round 1.
Don't get greedy
One thing I do know, is that no one in Bucs nation is regretting whatever they gave up to get Freeman. He imo, is the best young QB in the league right now. Better than Flacco, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, Matt Stafford, Tebow, and Sam Bradford. If he was a number overall pick it was a good pick in hindsight.
On the other hand, if they were to have stood pat…. suppose they miss him and end up with Jeremy Maclin and Coye Francis like the picks they originally had ended up getting. They would still be looking for a QB and they would be rolling with Josh Johnson, and instead of 10 wins they would have had 3 or 4.
I'm sorry, but he's not better than Matt Ryan.
You can put him ahead of the others if you’d like, but Ryan is something special. Freeman didn’t beat a team with a winning record until the last week of the regular season. Ryan wins games no matter who he faces. Ryan will be the next great quarterback.
As for the other stuff, he was a reach. There wasn’t another team that wanted to draft him between 17 and wherever they were drafting. I think it was a waste of a move. They would have gotten him anyway. I don’t see enough Bucs games to project his future, but from what I have seen, I don’t get the Freeman love affair. Was he good, sure, but he wasn’t special. He got a lot better in a short time, and I think people are over-valuing him as a player because of it.
by packerman on Apr 10, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Ryan is a bit overrated
I think he gets a lot of credit for winning when Atlanta was considered a superbowl contender. They were basically expected to win and go far. Not saying he’s bad, average, or anything like that, but he’s not elite. I think Stafford and Bradford are closer to elite level talents, but injuries and weak teams really hurt their image. They may never accomplish as much as Ryan, but I think luck and a good team have been the difference.
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by DownTownJax on Apr 10, 2011 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Atlanta was considered a SuperBowl contender...
BECAUSE of Matt Ryan. If their QB was Chris Redman or John Parker Wilson (the backups) they wouldn’t have been contenders.
the bucs were considered a deep playoff run team as well
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Apr 10, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that a joke?
Stafford is nowhere near the talent that Ryan is. When Stafford came out, he was the best option of a bad lot. Ryan is and was a stud. Don’t forget that he came onto a 3-13 team and led them to the playoffs. Michael Turner has been great for Atlanta, but he hardly constitutes a good team. Atlanta looks average at almost every position other than QB, RB, WR, and TE. Ryan is a difference maker. He is absolutely an elite talent.
Absolutely not
I think Stafford has been injured a lot, so his chance may have passed, but on draft day, he had a higher ceiling in my opinion. I think Matt Ryan overachieves through hard work and intelligence, but I just don’t think he is the natural talent at QB that Stafford is. In fact, I think a healthy Stafford would outperform a healthy Ryan this coming year.
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by DownTownJax on Apr 10, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
When he is healthy Stafford has a howitzer for an arm.
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I completely disagree.
I wasn’t even sure that Stafford was worth a top 10 pick on draft day. Living in Georgia, I watched him a lot while he was in college. He really never wowed me while in school. I probably wouldn’t have picked him if I were Detroit. My feelings about Stafford have nothing to do with his injuries either. He was pretty healthy in college. Georgia and BC both played my school multiple times while Ryan and Stafford were there. Ryan was by far the better player. It really wasn’t even close.
I like Stafford
Dude is just a player. Been hurt by the sorry Detroit line. In two years or so when his team is better around him he could be elite imo.
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lol they have a FANTASTIC defensive line, and solid on the unmentioned positions
they are an elite team, where have you heard of a team stacked at every position. atlanta is as close as it gets
No, they have a bunch of guys that play over their heads.
Atlanta seems like a very average team to me. Being forced to watch their games every week, I don’t see anything that makes them any more special than anyone else. I actually think there are quite a few more talented teams in the NFC. 13 wins was a miracle in my eyes.
And before the season started
did you really expect the Falcons to go 13-3 and beat the Saints for the division?
Yes
I really did. I thought they would get 1-2 playoff wins.
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by DownTownJax on Apr 10, 2011 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ryan is so good, he’s been covering up large holes on that team since he was drafted. They won’t win a play off game until they fix more of the team, but dang it if Ryan isn’t gonna bring them to the superbowl himself.
IMO he is better
than Matt Ryan. First let’s look at their stats from their second years:
Ryan: comp %58.3 yds2,916 yd/att6.5 TD22 int14 Rating80.9 Rushatt30 Rushyds49
Freeman: comp%61.4 yds3,451 yd/att7.3 TD25 int6 Rating95.9 Rushatt68 Rushyds364
And on top of that, Freeman didn’t have Roddy White or Tony Gonzalez. He didn’t have a run game most of the year. He didn’t have a good OL. His defense didn’t have good pass rushers(John Abraham). The LB’s were bad. The Buc’s secondary was bad after Talib got hurt. And in the second half of games Freeman was just as Ice cool as Matty Ice with a QB rating of a 105.
So he performed better than Ryan with less around him. How could you argue against that? To me Matt Ryan has been hyped too much and Freeman didn’t get the praise he deserves. Before Freeman started playing in 09 they were a winless team, and worse than awful.
Well the Bucs do have Mike Williams and Kellen Winslow Jr.
People seem to sing the praises of Williams, and Winslow is a very good tight end. Blount was also pretty good for about half the season, so the run game argument is ridiculous. Michael Turner was out for a few weeks too. The Falcons still won games. The Falcons’ OL is weak too. They’re okay at run blocking, but they are terrible pass blockers. Everyone in Atlanta was shocked to see Clabo in the Pro Bowl. The Falcons’ defense was nothing special. Grimes played way over his head. The linebacking corp is nothing special. The defensive line has Abraham and Babineux but the latter is nothing to write home about. The Bucs had Ruud, who people around here love, and two pretty solid rookie DTs. Talib’s injury hurt, sure, but their secondary still wasn’t all that bad. The Falcons as a whole were just as much an overachieving team as the Bucs were, except that the Falcons beat multiple teams with winning records. Like I said, I think people see Freeman’s progress and over-value him because of it. Freeman played weaker competition than Ryan with just as much help. Ryan is and will always be the better quarterback.
Williams is good
but he’s a rookie and Winslow is a has-been/injured/nonpracticing player. And 7 games with a run game is way different than a whole season. And the first 3 games Turner was out the Falcons lost. It wasn’t till Snelling started turning on the jets that they started winning again.
And Atlanta has a fine pass pro line. Matt was sacked 19 times all yr which was probably second best behind Peyton, while Freeman was sacked 28 times.
Grimes is a good player. Not a lot was expected of him yes, but I’ve known since his NFL Europa days that he was a baller.
Ruud is a good player, but in that system he’s a bit out of his element.
And aside from Barber, who is over the hill, who else do you know about in that secondary? They also had a revolving door at S like us.
And being they are in the same division how different could their schedule have been?
At least two games different.
The Falcons had to play the Eagles instead of the Redskins and the Packers instead of the Lions. Those are significant jumps in talent.
So you're saying Stafford
Does play for an inferior team! I agree! :)
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by DownTownJax on Apr 11, 2011 8:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That has nothing to do with any previous argument
Of course he plays for an inferior team. The Lions are terrible. The only things they have going for them are Calvin Johnson and Ndomakong Suh (I’m sure I spelled that wrong). But my argument was that in college, I saw both play a lot, and Stafford was not as good as Ryan. Ryan was far superior.
I would agree
with that sentiment too. Ryan is more accurate and more intelligible than Stafford which I think makes up for the lack of arm strength. Having said that, I think Matt Ryan is a little overrated. He’s a good player. Better than a Flacco imo. But still not better than Josh Freeman.
Why do you think Ryan is better than Freeman?
I just think he's going to be the next Manning or Brady.
Every time I watch Ryan, I’m wowed. His passes are perfect. They always get to the spot they are supposed to go. To me he seems like that next level is just a couple of steps away. I live in Atlanta, and while I could care less about the Falcons, Matt Ryan puts on a show. He is everything I would want in a quarterback.
Freeman has just never wowed me. I watched him a couple of times and I always felt more like I was watching Flacco than Brady. I think he’s better than Flacco, but that’s sort of the spectrum I’m dealing with. I don’t really see greatness from him. I just see a pretty good quarterback.
Time will tell. I’ve been wrong before, and I’ll be wrong again. That is just how I feel right now.
I don't get how everybody can keep calling picks reaches
It’s a reach according to who, Pro football talk, Kiper, Mcshay. I understand maximizing value, you don’t draft a player in the first round if you can get him in the fourth. For all we know a few teams may have Kaepernick as the top rated QB, its unlikely but possible.
by duuuvaaalll on Apr 10, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I guess I just am not as big on Kaepernick as everyone else.
I don’t think he seems much better than Jerrod Johnson fron Texas A&M. I think Johnson (IF he stays healthy) could be better than Kaepernick. Just my opinion.
I don’t understand how you could watch both play and come to that conclusion. Jerod Johnson is HORRIBLE.
by Alfie Crow on Apr 10, 2011 3:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He had some horrible games this year...
the season before he was great, and looked like a first round pick.
Yes, he did.
As a junior, Johnson threw for 3,579 yards, 30 touchdowns and eight interceptions on a 7.2 YPA and 59.6 completion percentage
Possibly a first rounder:
Skinny: There are some who believe Johnson is the most pro-ready quarterback. The dual-threat signal-caller has displayed a strong, accurate arm and the propensity to make smart decisions during his career. With a strong senior campaign, Johnson could catapult himself into first round consideration.
http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2011-Big-Board/Jerrod-Johnson.html
Correct...
But not the point.
The point was he was being projected as a possible 1-3 rounder before he got hurt and had a terrible season. Again, I don’t like him either, I’m just saying there are lots of fish in the sea. I, personally, don’t care for Kaepernick – but if others are high on him that’s fantastic. I, personally, hope we don’t draft him, but if we do I will cheer for him with gusto.
Yea
last year Johnson looked like a 1st rounder. I’m suprised he had such a bad year.
Can't stand the truth?
He had shoulder surgery...
and he admitted his arm stregnth was down afterwards, but he should be healing up. I’m not saying I want him either – I don’t – just saying there are plenty of guys with “potential”. PS- he’s 6’5" and 250 to CKs 6’4" 233.
definitely with the second round pick would i be willing to take him
at 16 i figure ponder or locker would be better QB picks
The more watch Ponder
the less he looks like the player everyone describes him to be. He’s “smart” but then in a game when he only throws the ball 18 times he throws into triple coverage like 3 times. Yeah I see him going to second reads, but rarely is manipulating safeties or throwing down field on his second read. Usually it’s just a check down. Smart, but nothing special. Not special enough imo, to make a weaker armed QB the 16th overall pick of the draft.
I don’t think calling Ponder “weaker armed” is fair. His arm is plenty strong, just not as strong as Mallett/Kaep/Newton.
by Alfie Crow on Apr 10, 2011 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He has some nice zip
on his intermediate throws, but almost every time I’ve seen him throw deep, his passes seem to flutter. And it seems they are always being under thrown and off target.
add to that
when my passes start to flutter and go off target it’s usually because I’m pressing because I’m trying to max out my arm. And I think that’s what’s happening with him.
+1
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i love the absolutes that folks think are awesome when they type them up and hit Post… at most you have a 50-50 shot of being right, so it’s not that great of a gamble to say if we will or wont pick someone OR if someone will or wont be available at whatever number pick we have… i think some folks are starting to froth at the mouth and may need a rabies shot if they don’t slow down on all the draft rhetoric… and that, folks, imho.
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Right on.
I think its hilarious that when you post an opinion, people love to jump on and tell you how wrong you are – that they know what/who is better.
Mel Kiper is a disease
And his methods just keep spreading. I’m pretty sure he is to blame for this kind of all or nothing attitude.
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by DownTownJax on Apr 10, 2011 5:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think I like him
as much as some of the other 2nd tier qbs, he’s very thin which makes me wonder about his durability, and the awkward throwing motion is a concern too. He also played out of the “pistol” which means he’ll need more coaching than others (Ponder). I know he’s a very good runner and has a strong arm, but he’s a bit of a project. I liked him more when I didn’t know as much about him, ha.
Kaepernick
Has a very slight build, no matter what weight he is.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Dude looks skinny
because of his height, but he’s 233 lbs and never missed a game since the 4th game of his freshman year(his first start). And the fact that he’s part of the running attack shows just how durable he really is.
And his throwing motion is different, but not really awkward or long(time). His feet need to improve mechanically, but that’s about it.
I did see an article about release time
And he basically had the slowest release of all qbs at the combine. It wasn’t drastic, but we are talking about a game of inches.
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by DownTownJax on Apr 10, 2011 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What was the article?
I’ve been waiting on the ESPN special. And I don’t know how he compared to everyone else but the part that’s been exposed was showing him to be pretty quick.
Wish I could find it
Sorry to quote without proof, but it was a very technical breakdown of every phase of the throwing motion. His issue was that his time to start the motion was so slow that even with a middle of the pack time getting the ball out he had the slowest time. It was a unique way of looking at reaction time, wind up, and release.
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by DownTownJax on Apr 10, 2011 9:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Found it
From the feet up, Ryan Mallett’s full motion was the second-quickest of the group at about 42.9 milliseconds. The very fastest was T.J. Yates at 36.7 milliseconds. The slowest was Colin Kaepernick at 56.4 milliseconds. The ordering changes when you measure the time it takes for pure arm motion, cued off the dropping of the throwing elbow. The quickest and slowest remain T.J. Yates (33.8 milliseconds) and Colin Kaepernick (46.0 milliseconds), however Ryan Mallett’s arm motion sinks into the very middle place in the seven-player sample at 36.3 milliseconds.
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Eh
It was a nice read. But I’m not sure how scientific it was. I’m gonna wait for the espn special on the 14th. They aren’t perfect, but at least I get a bit of insight to their methods.
Yeah, it's not written in stone
But it does show numbers that might point toward something that is hard to improve. Take it with a grain of salt.
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by DownTownJax on Apr 11, 2011 8:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Alright
now that the QB special has finally aired on ESPN their official time for total release was 37.5 mS. Slower than Yates, but quicker than Mallett’s. Judging from film I would say Gabbert probably has the quickest release of anyone in the draft, excluding some of the expected lower draft picks I’m not taking into account right now mentally.(Tyrod Taylor)
Coming out of college
Tom Brady was the same height and only weighed 211 lbs. And Peyton is 230 now.
i really dont give a f*ck who we draft
as long as we draft a few good defensive guys and 1 qb. it dont matter because we’re winning the AFC south next year!
That's what im saying
I really don’t care who we draft, I just know Gene will make the team better with these picks, so whoever he drafts, they will look great in teal.
Can't stand the truth?
Funky throwing arm for sure but he sure is an incredible athlete. Just think of the running threat he would pose. If Jags take him at 16, they’re probably expecting him to be the next Michael Vick (on the field, I might qualify).
so do you hate Jake Locker?
Aaron Rogers, Steve Young? Or is there another reason you hate “running” QBs?
Can't stand the truth?
They aren't "running qbs"
Vick is. Those other guys are qbs that run out of necessity.
Are you trying to insinuate something?
cause if you are, I take exception to that…and if you are you need to check yourself. Don’t play that BS with me.
And for the record, smart guy, I DO hate Steve Young. And I don’t consider Aaron Rodgers a QB who is really a runner like Vick.
Why are you so defensive?
I was just asking if there’s a reason why you “hate” running QB’s.
Can't stand the truth?
by Aristotle45 on Apr 10, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It smells more like due dilligence to me
and bacon. Making a sandwich.
Not buying it
Still not buying the idea that they’ll get the QB of the future in this draft. Don’t think they’ll trade up back into the first either, and also stand pat in the 2nd round. I think they go for a QB in the mid-rounds, for a guy like Enderle or Delvin. Garrard is the starter this year barring injury (whether you like it or not), and the prospect they get will be nothing more than a developmental guy they hope can be a backup down the line
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