SBNation's new 2011 NFL Mock Draft Jaguars Pick
by Alfie Crow on Apr 12, 2011 10:49 AM EDT
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I've avoided posting the SBNation.com 2011 NFL Mock Draft for a few weeks to see if Brian Galliford would shift things around, but he's been pretty steady with his pick for the Jacksonville Jaguars. I know quite a bit of you might not like it, but I'd be totally fine with it. I prefer Christian Ponder if they're taking a quarterback, but I completely understand the appeal and Locker's a guy I keep coming back to when thinking about the Jaguars pick and saying "Well...".
16. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jake Locker, QB, Washington. Locker's still flying under the radar a bit, but the theme here is that players with Locker's talent and intangibles don't last long in Round 1. David Garrard affords Locker the development time he'll need in Jacksonville.
I've said multiple times from watching Jake Locker I think his accuracy issues are correctable with good coaching. The latter part of Galliford's reasoning is what makes the most sense. While typically first round quarterbacks have started out of the gate in recent years, at 16 overall it's low enough to where a team won't be compelled (monetarily) to do so. It would give Locker a year to sit and work on his footwork and setup (...develop). I'm more of a "throw them in the fire" kind of guy, myself.
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Not a fan of it
It screams forced pick.
There are so many other players on the board who will be there at 16 who almost perfectly intersect need and BAP. Personally, I think Locker can be had in the 2nd. I just don’t see this quarterback push. Now if Carolina takes Newton 1 and Buffalo takes Gabbert 2 maybe we’ve got something going but (and yes I get that they are not available right now) maybe some of these teams who are in dire need of a qb go for a free agent.
I doubt Gabbert makes it past the Bengals.
by Alfie Crow on Apr 12, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think they'll be one of the teams going with a veteran qb
Interesting point of discussion that I don’t know if we’ve even touched on. Draft day trades.
Since player movement of current players is suspended, I wonder how that will impact the draft.
I disagree about "forced"
If I told you before the start of last season that we would ge 8-8 and get Jake Locker, you would’ve called me insane. Then, you would have said “gladly”
Because people assumed he would continue his development
But he’s still a work in progress and he’s not a first round qb.
by Dwalk1217 on Apr 12, 2011 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's been a stud since Pop Warner.
One bad year with a terrible Washington offense and he’s a scrub? Doubtful. This kid is legit, and is gonna be a terrific pro.
Sorry
But he’s right. Locker > Reed (who is ridiculously overrated on this site in my opinion)
You can't afford to draft a qb in round 1 and let him sit for a year or teo
Whoever the jags take, it needs to be a playmaker that starts from day 1. We have too many holes to take a player that will sit on the bench. Joe is right about there being much better values in areas of need with our pick. Defense will be the pick without a doubt.
First round picks
Especially those in the middle to late first round, rarely make a huge impact in year 1.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
if he's a first rounder he pretty much has to start by week 12
unless he has Brett Favre in front of him.
On a non-competitive team they're in by week 12
Example: Denver and Tebow last year.
If you’re really bad it’s about week 8.
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by Brian Levenson on Apr 12, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Id rather get a QB now and let him develop than draft a QB when he HAS to start...
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that the quarterback would guarantee you success for the next 10 years, but all you had to do was let him sit for a year, would you do it? I think most would. I know I would. I’ll take a player that will take the team to the next level if all it means is sacrificing next year. You have to draft for the long view. You can’t let the immediate dictate the future. You’ll constantly be a prisoner of the moment, and every year becomes a desperate attempt to catch lightning in a bottle.
thing is you can't say that
Only 2 successful cases I have seen in the past 10 years are Brees and Rivers in San Diego and Rodgers and Favre in Green Bay.
by Joe Fisher on Apr 12, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Palmer sure looked the part in Cincy before his knee injury.
Cutler was pretty good in Denver before his attitude wore out his welcome. The point is that you don’t necessarily have to start them right away, or even in their first seasons. There are plenty of examples of quarterbacks that could have used some time to sit an learn, but were thrust in too soon and failed. Just because the approach is in the minority, doesn’t mean that the success rate is all that low.
That's also because
in most cases those QB’s that start right away are going to terrible teams. Buffalo and Houston have ruined more QB’s by rushing them into action then they’ve had succeed.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
by pksiv on Apr 12, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would be fine with Locker, Ponder, Kaepernick, Devlin (to a point), and Dalton (also to a point).
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Devlin is hardly in the conversation anymore.
I wonder why that is? Is it related to the all of a sudden tarnish on Flacco?
It’s probably more because he wasn’t very good at any of his post-season workouts.
by Jagwired 32 on Apr 12, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't just "not very good"
Josh Buchanan of jbscouting.com (small-school expert) has Devlin as a 6th to 7th round pick now. Devlin’s stock has dropped like a rock. I’m not sure I wouldn’t rather have Tyrod Taylor than Devlin.
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by CaliforniaJag on Apr 12, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Dwalk1217 are you crazy?
so you’d rather draft a CB, or LB who may potentially have an impact more quickly than a franchise QB? I’ll sit back and wait a year so that Locker can lead us to the superbowl in 2015
in that case, you could always argue that you should never draft a QB..
we can't afford to be that patient
another 8-8 or worse season would not be good at all for this franchise. Not good for JDR and a number of people.
Unless you think you can get a guy in here who is only x number of months of coaching away from being the guy, I don’t know that you grab him at 16.
That's incredibly short-sighted
If Gene Smith is doing anything other than drafting for the long-term benefit of the Jaguars, he’s an idiot. Nobody should be focused on 2011; it should be about the team in the long-term. Going 8-8 this year is fine if it means the team is better in the long run. If it’s not good for JDR…tough. Wayne Weaver is acting like a jackass through the whole coaching thing, but the point is that if the GM doesn’t have the franchise’s long-term interests at heart, this is not going to end well.
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by CaliforniaJag on Apr 12, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
As Wayne Weaver has stated, there are currently 28,000 season ticket holders in a 65,000 seat stadium for 2011
The future is a hell of a lot closer to now than it is to 2013 or beyond.
I hit post too early
Thing is, I agree with you as a football fan. I recognize what is going on with the team. I realize we’re building it the right way, and that when we get that franchise quarterback, we should have a Colt like era.
BUT when Tampa Bay drafts a quarterback and all of a sudden they look like they have just hit a speed bump and we’re still stuck in line waiting to get through the toll booth as we have seemingly been since halftime of the 1999 AFC Championship, well, how patient can you expect the average fan to be?
exactly my point
and honestly, none of these qb’s coming out this year are that great… yes, jake locker may be a great qb in the future, but no one can guarantee that and right now our team haas a chance to win if we can grab defensive studs! Theres no reason to grab a qb because its a need. Picking up a guy like jake locker would be a luxury for our team. We have much larger needs on defense and many of the people on this site dont realize that Garrard is a good enough qb to get us to the playoffs. Yes, i think we need a developmental qb in the draft, but grabbing a guy in the first round just because we need a developmental qb would be irresponsible.
So would picking up a defensive player because it's a need.
Needs drafting gets us nowhere. Been down that road and failed miserably. If a qb is the best player available, then take him. If it’s another tackle, take him. If it’s a defensive end, take him. Now is not the time to be short sighted. Learn from our mistakes, and proceed with the BAP philosophy.
BCC in general
seemed pretty high on Locker before the combine. Did the pre-draft activities affect opinions that much?
Speaking for myself...
I loved him before this season, after this season, at the combine, after the combine, and would be thrilled to have him as our QB of the future.
"Vikes like Locker" at 12
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/277530-vikes-like-locker-compare-game-to-favres
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
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I don’t believe much if anything this time of year in regards to player interest.
Do you know that Brooks Reed worked out for the Jags earlier this month? Just sayin…
If you believe he is your franchise QB for the future, you pick him.
Regardless of who is left on the board.
by Sloppy12 on Apr 12, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said
I also feel like another team might grab Locker before the 16th pick, but then again the qb’s could fall a bit too, it’s kind of a strange draft year.
Alfie, I agree with you 100% completely. I’ve been baffled with this whole accuracy concern. Accuracy has gotta be one of the easier things for a coach to work with. Sometimes it could just be a mental issue, maybe a timing, hand/eye coordination, who knows. As athletes, we grow through coaching. Through others observing and giving insight into the aspects of your game that you can’t solve or see yourself. Plus, as a post said yesterday, you must remember that in comparison to the other elite qb’s in the draft, that Locker had a weaker receiving core to work with that had a tremendous amount of dropped balls. Good post Alfie
According to this site he is
http://85percentsports.com/2011/02/01/top-200-nfl-draft-value-board-222011/
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
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