So You Want a Defensive End With the 16th Pick, Are You Sure?
With a week left until all the speculation ends and the real picks start being made, nearly every mock draft on the net, and it seems a majority of Jags fans, feel the team will surely be selecting a defensive end with the 16th overall pick. The consensus is that acquiring a Ryan Kerrigan, Cameron Jordan, Aldon Smith, or even a Daquan Bowers, will instantaniously upgrade a defense that has been torn apart like a frat house intramural flag football team by most if not all of the QBs it's faced, dating back to the '08 season. When you actually look deeper into it, however, what you'll find might actually sway many of those on the bandwagon.
The NFL has exploded into a pass-oriented league over the last decade, so with that, I went back and researched the successes of defensive ends picked in the first round since the '01 draft. We include the likes of Terrell Suggs and Tamba Hali for this discussion, as they were drafted as defensive ends out of college and later moved to outside linebacker due to the defensive scheme their teams ran.
Since the '01 draft, there have been a total of 39 defensive ends drafted in the first round. Of those 39 players, only 5 recorded more than 10 sacks in their rookie campaigns:
Julius Peppers '02- 12
Dwight Freeney '02- 13
Terrell Suggs '03- 12
Kamerion Wimbley '06- 11
Brian Orakpo '09- 11
Of those 5 players listed above, only Freeney and Peppers played as true 4-3 ends. When doing the math, that means a dismal 13% of all defensive ends drafted this past decade with first round selections, were able to perform at what most fans would consider to be a "playmaker" level, in their rookie seasons.
When expanding the scope of double-digit (10+) sack seasons, only 11 players since '01 have racked up a 10+ sack season over the span of their careers:
Andre Carter '01- 3x
Peppers '02- 6x
Freeney '02- 7x
Charles Grant '02- 2x
Suggs '03- 3x
Will Smith '04- 2x
Jason Babin '04- 1
Mario Williams '06- 2x
Wimbley '06- 1
Tamba Hali '06- 1
Orakpo '09- 1
Only 5 players out of the 11 were true 4-3 defensive ends, and only 7 out of the 11 players were able to duplicate their 10+ sack season more than once. So again, when doing the math with those numbers, only 28% of the 39 first round DEs have been able to put up 10+ sacks in a season over the span of their careers. a mere 17.9% were able to do it more than once.
While those numbers seem startling, what might be more interesting is that of the 39 defensive ends, a near majority 28 players recorded less than 5 sacks in their rookie seasons. That's an impressive, I suppose, 71.8% of players who couldn't break even half of a double-digit sack year in their rookie seasons, (Including Derrick Harvey's 3.5 sacks in '08). One thing to note, there have been more first round DEs to go their entire rookie season without even recording a sack, 8, than those who performed at double-digit sack level.
When averaging the performances together, a first round defensive end over the last 10 years has had a total of 4 sacks in his rookie season, or 1 sack every 4 games. That is the same total racked up by Aaron Kampman in half a season, prior to his injury, and half a sack more than Tyson Alualu's sack total in his rookie year as a tackle. Not exactly the game changing numbers most fans expect from a first round defensive end.
Something else to note for Jags fans when taking all this in, is that all 5 of the players who recorded double-digit sacks in their rookie premiers were draft in the Top 13 picks, (Peppers 2nd overall, Freeney 11th overall, Suggs 10th overall, Wimbley & Orakpo 13th overall), and only 3 players, (Grant 25th overall, Babin 27th overall, Hali 20th overall) have had double-digit sack seasons being drafted in the second half of the first round.
So this all begs the question, will taking a defensive end at 16 truly turn this defense around next season? History would seem to suggest the odds are not in the Jags favor.
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You don't expect 10 sacks from a rookie DE
It’s unreasonable. Pass rushing is really hard and the competition is much better. That’s a position where the difference from the first to the second year makes a lot of difference.
It’s also thinking short term not long-term.
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It is short term thinking, but I think it’s a response to the “need” to take a DE at 16.
by Alfie Crow on Apr 20, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought most of the talk about a DE
at 16 had more to do with
1) the lack of a quality Safety in the draft,
2) the thought that any QB left would be a reach at 16 and
3) the fact that there are a number of highly rated DE’s in this draft ?
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
If a team believes a QB is a franchise QB
Then it’s not a reach. How would Gene Smith know what everyone else’s boards say? Brady’s getting older, what if the Jags pass on them and then the Pats grab the QB that the Jags wanted but thought was a “reach” No one would say the Pats reached.
Excellent research
I agree completely. Drafting a DE seems like the logical thing to do when you need help with pass rush, but your findings show that it doesn’t help your immediate needs.
Draft BAP, patch in FA.
With the amount of money this franchise has in cap space (and to avoid the cap floor), they should be able to target some good DE’s when FA happens.
It was meant to be food for thought for those who have been banging the drum that a DE in Rd 1 will instantly turn this thing around and solve all our defensive problems. Though I will add that folks talking about getting a DE in Rd. 1, think more in terms of those 5 10+ sack guys in their rookie year, than say the Justin Smith’s or Charles Grant’s of the group.
If we were to go with a DE in the first round, I hope it would be Quinn (if he falls). I am really curious to see how Gene Smith weights the suspension of the UNC players versus their ability and what not. Will they be on his board? Will he take a risk on them? I am not really sure.
I'm not exactly sold on
Quinn as a 43 End. He’s got a good but not a great first step quickness and I think he’s a little weak against the run. Maybe now that he’s older he’s stronger, but I haven’t seen it on film yet.
I would rather have an elite pass rusher than someone who is average against the run and pass. This is a passing league.
But the thing is
I’m not even sure he’s elite as a pass rusher. But suppose he was, just remember that pure pass rushers are also called DPR’s whom of which do not garner 1st round picks despite this being a passing league. If you cant stop the run you can’t play on 1st and 2nd down.
I think Quinn’s ceiling is an elite pass rusher? Freeney? He isn’t good against the run, but is the best pure pass rusher imo.
That's a fallacy
Freeney is actually pretty good against the run. The Colts DT’s are horrible against the run. Mathis isn’t all that good either. And the rest of the team is made to stop the pass.
i think this was excellent research
on the other hand though, whatever DE that plays opposite of Kampman(as long as he is healthy) should provide at least moderate pass rushing considering we have two very young promising DTs on the line as well. Knighton occupies two players and still gets to the QB and Alualu can rush very well. Whoever is playing next to them should be able to produce and will be expected to. I have full faith in Gene to draft a player with the drive and want to be great so if it is a DE, I feel he will be fairly successful in his first year. Oh, and I do think sacks are very important, but even some of the best pass rushers in the game only average 1 sack a game. I want a DE like Kampman who is continually in the backfield getting QB hurries and knockdowns which are hardly ever posted. That’s why Kampman was so successful last year. Anyways, you did a hell of a job and it was a very interesting read.
Ummmmm
Everyone just assumes that AK will come back at 100% and will be a beast.
Don’t be shocked if AK comes back and he just average at best.
if his knee is healthy, then he should still be a tenacious player.
I dont know if it will ever be completely healthy again though.
I suspect he will be
especially considering how well he came back from last year, and now he has even more time to recover/rehab.
I don't anybody who
expects 10 sacks from a rookie…maybe 5 sacks, but not 10.
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Glad the Jags don't think this way
This is extremely short term thinking. You draft players for their contribution over the course of their careers, not their rookie year. As to this being a response to the need to draft a DE, chalk it up to one more reason not to draft based on need.
Few more points:
- There are many players who can play both outside linebacker in a 3-4 and DE in a 4-3, so while it’s legitimate to question whether or not Terrell Suggs would be good in a 4-3 (he probably would have), I think it’s a little silly to insinuate that only 5 players would have worked out over the last decade.
- DE, similar to WR, is a position thought to require three years to blossom. You generally expect guys to flash in the first two years but a lack of pure statistical production isn’t inherently a concern.
- This is an over reliance on the sack statistic, which is often a fluky stat and fairly dependent on scheme and players around you, so you end up passing on guys like Justin Smith, Calvin Pace, or, for a Jags example, Reynaldo Wynn, when ultimately their good, solid draft picks who contribute for a long time.
You probably have your finger on the pulse more than i do but I don’t know many people who think drafting a DE will fix our problems next year. They just know that to fix our pass rush we need to bring in guys who can rush the passer. It’s great we got Kampman but generally those guys aren’t available in FA so if you want an upgrade, turn to the draft, and if you do it right then in two or three years, voila pass rush.
This is all moot anyway. Just draft the guy at the top of your board.

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