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David Garrard's 2010 Season

While the cat is away, the mice will play, and the big cat here at Big Cat Country is Mr. Alfie "Boo David Garrard" Crow. Well I, being a rabid Garrard supporter, have decided to take this opportunity to write a pro-Garrard piece that everyone will have to read. Bwahahahaha!!!!1!1!

Ok, that was a bit extreme, and obviously I really have enjoyed working with Alfie and everybody here at BCC, but there is something we need to talk about. With all of the chatter circulating on the site about the Jaguars drafting a first-round QB, I thought it would be a good idea to look at what we actually have at QB and decide how "dire" our QB situation is with Garrard. So I've compiled a bunch of DG's 2010 statistics, and I'll lay them out for you. This way we can have a handle on our QB situation and avoid potentially over-reacting and over-drafting a QB. Just to get this out of the way early... STATS LIE. DO NOT TRUST EVERY STAT YOU SEE, but at some point, stats can give you a pretty good idea of how a player performs. All right, on with it:

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  • David Garrard now holds the record for TD passes by a Jaguar with 23, set in 13 games. I'm gonna get this out of the way early, because I don't put too much stock in TD's as an indicator of talent. It's there, but I don't think it means much.
  • Garrard had the 13th highest passer rating among qualifying NFL QBs at 90.8. This put him ahead of Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, Brett Favre and Jay Cutler among others. His passer rating is within two tenths of Matt Ryan (91.0) and Drew Brees (90.9) who are both considered borderline great NFL QBs.
  • Garrard was fourth among QBs with 279 rushing yards (4.2 YPA), and scored 5 touchdowns on the ground.
  • According to Pro-Football-Reference.com, Garrard led five game-winning drives in the 2010 against Denver week 1, Indy week 4, Houston week 9, Cleveland week 10, and Oakland week 13. The Cleveland game was also a 4th-Quarter comeback. In those games, he completed a combined 67.7 percent of his passes, with 12 TDs and 4 ints.
  • PFR also has "advanced passing statistics" they keep, and Garrard rated slightly above average on yards and net yards per attempt, adjusted yards and adjusted net yards per attempt, completion percentage, and passer rating. He was slightly below average on int percentage and sack percentage.
  • Garrard had a 103.7 passer rating, with 6 TDs and 2 ints and a 70.5 percent completion rate within the AFC South division. Bad defenses, but it's important to play well within the division.
  • Garrard ended the season with a 108.3 passer rating in the fourth quarter and a 117.5 rating within the last 7 minutes of the fourth quarter. Crunch time is when it matters, and while no statistics should be taken at face value, this makes Garrard look pretty good at crunch time.
  • Garrard was "hit" 111 times, the most for any NFL QB. I'm not sure if this includes rushing attempts or not, but either way, ouch.
  • Of his 366 pass attempts, 72 came when the Jaguars were leading, 82 came when the team was tied, and 212 (58%) of his passes were thrown when trailing. He threw 11 TD and 13 ints when behind, 3 TDs and 1 int when ahead, and 9 TDs and 1 int when tied. This suggests that most of the season, Garrard was playing from behind, and that the team struggled somewhat when forced to be one-dimensional.

The take-away message from all of this? Garrard isn't great, but he certainly isn't bad. He is 33 years old, but he is still mobile and a capable runner. Garrard managed to keep his completion percentage in the mid-60's, 3% greater than his career average over the span of the whole year, and was under extreme pressure to perform because the team was playing from behind a lot. He managed to save at least one game for every game he blew last year. He is a solid starting QB, and has not showed signs of slowing down. In fact, he could still be improving as a QB, as he did from '09 to '10. So, again, how badly do we need a first round QB? Are the Jaguars really desperate for improvement from the QB position?

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My biggest (new) concern

with David is his injuries of ‘10. He had one big advantage until last season. He was always helathy (counting off that injury on MNF which sidelined him 3 games in ’’07). But in 2010 he had so many injuries, then I guess in his whole college and professional career combine. (And some of that came when both starting T; Monroe and Britton played) That is a warning sign for me. That’s why I say no matter when, the Jags need to find a new QB in the draft (who can be developed into a starter sooner or later).

But I still think if the Jaguars will not draft a QB in the 1st round, he is 95+% the starter QB on opening day in ’11 (if there will be a season. Even if with a 1st round QB pick he is the Nr. 1 QB for me.

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 3, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

He is who we thought he was

He is in a huge group of mediocre to good quarterbacks. If you really weigh the quarterbacks in the NFL, it’s almost a Bell curve. like a 15/70/15

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

2007 Garrard: Y/A – 7.7 INT/A – .009
2008 Garrard: Y/A – 6.8 INT/A – .024
2009 Garrard: Y/A – 7.0 INT/A – .019
*2010 Garrard: Y/A – 7.5 INT/A – .040

by CountC on Apr 3, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

As much as I disagree with Alfie

I believe his assessment of Garrard is pretty spot on usually. You bring up some decent points as well though.

by ifjaguarwaco on Apr 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

But, is it Garrard's fault that the team has failed to sign/draft/etc. an adequate backup or quarterback to challenge him?

That seems to be the part everyone glosses over. Yes DG has his deficiencies, but he’s not the one signing the checks or picking the players. When a 40 something journeyman who only a week earlier was driving a John Deere tractor comes in and gives us a hell of a performance for 3 quarters in Kansas City.

Way I see it, it’s Garrard’s job til it isn’t. Some may say McCown was not given a fair chance to get the starting gig this past year. Well, I don’t think a coach would stake his livelihood on a guy who DOESN’T give you the best chance to win unless the owner orders him to do so by saying I’m not going to let you sit $60 million on the bench.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree they’ve failed to bring someone in to challenge him, but I do want to bring this question: Why does Garrard need someone to challenge him?

Or are you specifically asking why haven’t they brought in someone good enough to legitimately challenge him and beat him out?

by Alfie Crow on Apr 3, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he means there's no plan B

I don’t buy into this “Oh, we’ll have somebody challenge him so he works harder” stuff. Garrard’s been challenged the past two seasons by his coach and GM publicly. The team was placed on his shoulders last year. He’s doing everything he needs to, he’s just “good” and not “elite.”

by Brian Levenson on Apr 3, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I was going to say I agree about the needing someone to push him business. If he needs someone to push him for him to perform, that’d be pretty damning.

The latter statement, I agree.

by Alfie Crow on Apr 3, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with you on that one Alfie

I’ve kind of started to come around to your opinion on DG, especially when you referred to him as a bridge, which is exactly what he is. My point here is they can’t all be elite.

On your first post, the second part is what I agree with, bringing adequate competition in here. A GM should always try to improve his team at all positions, feelings and egos be damned. Green Bay did it with Favre and Aaron Rodgers and I don’t think you see near the acrimony you saw 3 years ago. If a Chris Johnson, for example, is available and reasonable, then do what you have to do if you feel he is that missing piece. If Gene Smith feels Carson Palmer, Kevin Kolb, etc. are worth the risk, then let’s have at it.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sheesh… I have one busy weekend and look what happens!

Hah.

I think the biggest misconception here is that people think that I believe Garrard is bad. I just think he’s not good enough and I’ve felt that way since about 2005 and outside of 2007 he hasn’t done much to sway that opinion for me.

by Alfie Crow on Apr 3, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I did it for the lulz

I was actually gonna write this article anyway, it just turned out that you weren’t posting much this weekend.

Where I’m confused is where you think he’s “not good enough.” What does the guy have to do? He’s proven to be a solid starting quarterback. If you can find an elite QB, mazel tov. If you can’t, you want a classy, level-headed, physically talented player like Garrard.

by Brian Levenson on Apr 3, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s shown he’s not the guy to get you where you want to go, the Super Bowl.

Sure, if you can’t find that elite guy you want a competent starter, but you should also be trying to find that elite guy. I think that’s my whole problem. They’ve woefully ignored the position for way, way too long. They’re one blown knee away from being in a dire QB situation because of that. That’s why I personally see it as a big need.

by Alfie Crow on Apr 3, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it played out that way in 2 ways last year

Turns out we were a blown knee away, in McCown going down in San Diego. And then the concussion vs Tennessee and the finger. Thing is there was absolutely zero improvement from Trent Edwards in the Tennessee game and the Houston finale. Perhaps Shula wasn’t the guru everyone gave him credit for.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

About the game winning drives...

I’d really only give him credit for the Denver and Oakland games. Against Indy he only got to the 41 yard line of the Colts after being handed pretty decent field position to start with on the final drive. Then Scobee hit a miracle kick to win. Against Houston, it was just dumb luck. Yes he threw the pass, but there was no way you can give him any more credit for the completion than you can give Glover Quinn. He hardly marched down the field for the game winning drive. Against Cleveland, the entirety of the credit for the game winning drive should be given to MJD. He’s the one who took a screen pass 70 yards to set up the score. So, while you can say that he “led five game-winning drives”, you’re giving him more credit than is due.

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

You can’t give him Oakland then. Game winning drive was a long kick return and then a long MJD TD run, IIRC

by Alfie Crow on Apr 3, 2011 6:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh that's right!

I honestly forgot how that one ended. Thanks for the correction. He now only has Denver in my eyes.

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you guys are just splitting hairs to prove how subpar you think he is

no different than a guy getting a save just for being in the right situation.

Until there is a universally accepted metric for what constitutes game winning drive, we’ll just have to accept the fact that it is what it is.

Why not discredit John Elway because after all, his teams sure did trail quite a few games for him to be able to navigate those game winning drives.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but there's a big difference

between throwing a game winning touchdown pass and having your running back run a screen pass for 70 yards to the opponent’s one yard line to punch it in on the next play. MJD did the real work there. Garrard completed the pass, for which he deserves credit, but it’s hardly like he engineered the drive. The Hail Mary was absolutely luck. It had nothing to do with who threw the pass. It would have been luck if Peyton Manning had thrown it. Pure luck. When your running back is doing most of the work, why should Garrard get the credit?

As for Elway, he actually did drive down the field with regularity to lead the Broncos to victory. It wasn’t all luck, and he had the most game winning touchdown drives ever if I’m not mistaken. (At least he did while he was playing, the record may have been broken now.)

Are you going to tell me that you don’t see a difference in the Denver and the Cleveland game-winning drives? I know you do. You’re not blind. You’re an intelligent person. Not all drives are created equal, and not all of the credit, nor all of the blame, can go to Garrard.

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point was and is, some people try so damn hard to show that Garrard is inadequate

that they’ll come up with any metric or example to validate their point. Hell, if our defense was worth a damn, who’s to say we would not have been a 10 or 11 win team this past year?

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to invalidate the whole article.

I just take issue with giving credit to Garrard for a few drives that weren’t all his doing. I don’t think that just because a guy is the quarterback, he deserves credit for leading the game winning drives.

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

well then we need to pore over the record books and start deducting victories

you see where I’m going with this, right?

Terry Bradshaw would have never stood a chance in today’s NFL. No one would have given him the time.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see where you're going,

I just think it’s a little off of my point. I guess what I’m trying to say is that that particular statistic isn’t really relevant to how good Garrard was this past season.

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

very well

we have differing opinions on this one but these arguments quickly get circuitous and then family members are insulted, animals get defiled and things quickly go downhill.

I had this discussion with someone before and it would have been really interesting to see how things would have played out if McCown did not tear his ACL in San Diego. There’s a real chance he’d have been the starter after the Philly game.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

These haters are pathetic!

by LostJAG on Apr 3, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just apply his same rules to his list.

by Alfie Crow on Apr 3, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Against

He moved the ball 40 yards with 42 seconds left on the clock and no time outs.

I’d say that counts.

by Brian Levenson on Apr 3, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

8-8

That’s the record we get with Garrard at the helm. You said that he will win us games, but lose the same number of them. Garrard is a good QB and can take a team to the Superbowl if every piece of the puzzle is in place around him. The problem is we are several pieces away from having this team around him and by then it might be too late for Garrard with the punishment he takes. That is the reason to push to draft another QB. Whether it is another game manager like Garrard or to take a chance on someone that might turn to be an elite QB we need to start drafting someone to guide this team when we have all of the pieces. I just don’t think Garrard will be around long enough with the way he gets beat up year in year out.

Dammit just go out there and play to win and I'll be here to cheer!!!!

by Vegasjags on Apr 3, 2011 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

not necessarily

There are 3 phases of the game and most of the season, at the most, 2 of the 3 showed up. The games I would say he lost us was the Chargers game and the Redskins game. The pick to start the 2nd half against the Giants was a momentum changer, but we were in the game til the end.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point

I’m not necessarily a supporter or hater of Garrard. I liked him after the 07’ season, but didn’t think he was worth the money he got after it. I think one more season of proving himself and it would have been due. Alfie said it right that the Giants went to town in the 2nd half, but the last drive of that game just left a sour taste in my mouth about Garrard. I think if he would have pulled off the comeback there we may not be having this conversation for or against him.

Dammit just go out there and play to win and I'll be here to cheer!!!!

by Vegasjags on Apr 3, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying don't draft a QB.

I’m saying maybe don’t draft a QB in the first round. Maybe get a QB with your first pick in the fourth round… Maybe?

by Brian Levenson on Apr 3, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Then you’re more likely to wind up with what you’ve already got.

by Alfie Crow on Apr 3, 2011 6:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's partially my point.

Garrard was really good value, especially amongst all this talk of how low the odds are of finding a starting QB past the first round.

by Brian Levenson on Apr 3, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess, if all that you’re looking for out of a QB is “value”.

by Alfie Crow on Apr 3, 2011 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ultimately what you’re looking for in a QB is a future starter, preferably one that doesn’t suck. If you have to grab that starter in the first round, OK, if you don’t you are essentially getting performance from a 4th round pick equivalent to what that 1st round QB would have given you. I would much prefer the second option if it’s possible.

by Brian Levenson on Apr 3, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is just going to be a circular conversation until we accept the unlikelyness of finding even a mediocre QB beyond round 1.

And I don’t feel like they’ve gotten the equivalent of a first round pick with Garrard. If Garrard had been a first round pick, he’d be a bust like Leftwich was. I guess if that’s your point, it makes sense but I don’t think it was.

The second option is akin to playing the lottery. Those odds of finding a QB outside of round 1 aren’t for just good QBs, it’s for mediocre at the worst. Quarterback is not a position you just sit back at and grab value.

Maybe that’s the whole disagreement here. I’m not happy with a quarterback who simply “doesn’t suck”.

by Alfie Crow on Apr 3, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think mediocrity wins championships.

In the last decade who was the worst QB to win a Superbowl and what did their defense look like?

I would say the closest to a mediocre QB to win was Eli and the defense of that team was phenomenal in the post season.

Alfie is right don’t be happy with mediocre. Unless of course the team around you is so good that you are winning the division or better every year. But still you always want to get better players than mediocre.

Dammit just go out there and play to win and I'll be here to cheer!!!!

by Vegasjags on Apr 3, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's too many solid prospects

in this draft to commit to drafting one in the first round, especially considering the 16th pick doesn’t seems to be a stretch for a lot of them.

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by Shane Clemons on Apr 3, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many "good" QBs excel with an atrocious defense?

Can’t really think of any, but feel free to prove me wrong. Manning, Brady etc. don’t count here as I consider them “elite”. Just the “good” QBs

by ScottyD4Life on Apr 3, 2011 7:19 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ive come up with one and thats MIke Vick

Basically what I am saying is, how good must your QB be if your defense gives up 23+ per game?

by ScottyD4Life on Apr 3, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

QB "rankings"

Elite:
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers

Good-great:
Philip Rivers (maybe elite?)
Michael Vick
Josh Freeman (he earned it)
Joe Flacco
Matt Schaub
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Jay Cutler (good/average)
Tony Romo (good/average)

Average:
Matt Hasslebeck (average/good)
Matt Cassel
David Garrard
Jon Kitna
Kyle Orton
Eli Manning
Sam Bradford
Mark Sanchez (average/below average)
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Jason Campbell

Below average:
Everyone else.

That’s ten teams not represented. Lemme know if I missed anyone.

by Brian Levenson on Apr 3, 2011 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Hang on a second.

What exactly ranks Josh Freeman ahead of Tony Romo?

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

upside

I think it’s the beginning of the end for Romo, personally. To me, he’s so damn busy trying to be a star that he’s forgetting what got him the contract.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but upside isn't a quantifiable thing.

If upside is the metric, then Matt Ryan should be listed as elite.

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zing!

I can’t set you up like that. lol

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

but seriously

without Freeman, the Bucs were a 4-12 team. His growth in the span of 2 years has been incredible. Granted til the season finale, they hadn’t beaten a team with a winning record, but Freeman’s maturity and pocket presence was stout.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, he's going to be good,

but I still can’t put him ahead of Romo based off of one pretty good year. Romo had sustained success for 4 or 5 years. He has even been viewed by some as an elite quarterback. I think people are letting his romances and absence due to injury cloud their memory of Romo.

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Skins game last year was an eye opener

Washington had no business winning that game, but they did. If Romo was borderline elite, Wade Phillips would not have lost his job.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think ole Jerry was just waiting for an excuse to fire Wade.

I’m not sure that has much to do with it. But you’re right about his performance this year. He was disappointing before the injury. I think if you asked Cowboys fans if they would rather have Freeman or Romo, they’d go with Romo.

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

They haven't had an athletic quarterback since Staubach

Quincy Carter doesn’t count. Not enough body of work.

I don’t think the fandom would know what to do, but without a consistent run game and shaky o line, you knew it was a matter of time before Romo had a major injury.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of them hope he's the second coming of Aikman.

He’s statistically there (other than playoff victories), but they’re a delusional fanbase as it goes anyways.

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a child of the 90s

I loved Aikman. He was my favorite quarterback until I learned the evils of the Cowboys.

by packerman on Apr 3, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

DG

Is better than Cutler and Romo.

by LostJAG on Apr 3, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Romo was out of sight, out of mind last year.

He also struggled with consistency, and plays on a team loaded with offensive talent.
It’s more that I’m giving Josh Freeman for leading a Bucs team most people (including myself) thought were gonna suck to a winning season. And he and Mike Williams were deadly last year, man, deadly.

by Brian Levenson on Apr 4, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

you may have to lump Flacco and Sanchez together

by virtue of post season success which in my view has to be a weighted criterion of quarterbacks.

I mean, if Sanchez leads (quarterbacks) the Jets to the AFC Championship game again, you’ve got to bump him up, right? 2 years 2 title game appearances? At some point you’ve got to give the kid his due.

I find myself having a little heartburn about the Texas qbs and their rankings. What have they really accomplished?

by Joe Fisher on Apr 3, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If your rankings are in some order

I would move Schaub ahead of Freeman just below VIck. Houstons defense is just god awful. No one can win with that

by ScottyD4Life on Apr 3, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rankings

are more performance of the QB not necessarily the team. With Sanchez his success has benefited from being on a great team with an outstanding supporting cast around him. If he was a Jag he would be worse than Garrard or just as good, but definitely not better.

Dammit just go out there and play to win and I'll be here to cheer!!!!

by Vegasjags on Apr 3, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Flacco sucks in the playoffs...

Ravens win in spite of him, not because of him. He’s 4-3 in the playoffs, but has a QB rating of 61 or less in FIVE of them.

Sanchez is better than Flacco in the playoffs, but I wouldn’t bump him up due to post season success. Both players play with great defenses which deserve the vast majority of credit for their team’s post season success, in my opinion.

by fc3worships on Apr 4, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Eli is above average, but other than that it’s pretty spot on.

by Alfie Crow on Apr 3, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

am i the only one

that thinks Drew Brees is an elite QB???

Can't stand the truth?

by Aristotle45 on Apr 3, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rivers has a better case,

but the difference between Great and elite is consistency. Rivers had his playoff struggles, and Brees had a not-so-stellar season last year.

I like both guys a lot, I just can’t put them up there with those other four.

by Brian Levenson on Apr 4, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did throw 22 picks this year

But ohe yeah, it’s the offense he plays in.

by Joe Fisher on Apr 4, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

How exactly....

Can you say Sam Bradford is average? Look at the receiving core that kid had and he improved the Rams 6 wins. This kid could be the best out of all the young QBs in the league. I would say he is above average, but not a great QB yet. Soon enough he will be there though.

Trade Ankiel instead of Luddy!!! Why go buy an impact bat when we got one?

by Ibeatanorexia06 on Apr 4, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty of reasons

1) his numbers are pretty average.
2) he played in one of the shittiest divisions in history, so the amount of wins he got doesn’t mean anything to me.
3) he’s average until he has a great season. He had a good rookie season but the two are different.
4) I watched him one week, he didn’t look 100% comfortable, and at least in whatever game I watched, he was throwing mostly checkdowns.

He hasn’t proved anything to me yet. If he does next season I will give him credit, but for now I’m waiting. Remember, everyone thought VY and Sanchez were “great” after their rookie years. VY threw a hissy fit or four and got himself fired, and Sanchez was almost benched for Mark Brunell (who’s like 86 years old.)

by Brian Levenson on Apr 4, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

also...

Garrard throws a ton of INTs in big games…

by CheapSeat on Apr 4, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Can't stand the truth?

by Aristotle45 on Apr 4, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Bestjagfan on Apr 4, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Why not?

(Panthera onca)

by viator on Apr 4, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

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