BCC Community Mock: Jaguars Select - DE/LB Brooks Reed
by Alfie Crow on Apr 8, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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With the 16th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft the Jacksonville Jaguars select Brooks Reed, DE/OLB Arizona.
While Christian Ponder is an attractive pick, and seems to be the people's pick, assuming that the Jaguars stand pat at 16 (for the purposes of this draft there is no movement) I feel Gene Smith will stick to his convictions and build his team the way he feels it should be built and he will not deviate from his value board. Bottom line, you're not going to have a sunk cost on the bench and drafting a quarterback in the first round all but guarantees he will start at some point in time in his rookie season. Would you expect Garrard to take a pay cut for the good of the team? I wouldn't.
Not to mention with the labor strife, how much face time with new quarterbacks coach Mike Sheppard is Ponder going to get? Contrary to popular belief, 16 is too high for Ponder or any quarterback not named Gabbert or Newton.
Let's face it, with the exception of the tackles our defense is full of holes. The NFL is a copycat league, and this guy has Clay Matthews and Brian Cushing (minus the ‘roids) written all over him. 6'3" 263 and a huge burst. I'm typically not a big combine guy, but his 10 yard burst was an eye-opener 1.54 seconds Clay Matthews ran a 1.49 at the Combine a few years ago. He was a 5th year senior at Arizona and that is one of those (ugh) "Gene's guy" measurables. I believe he was captain of his debate team as well (made that part up). One of the things I notice that frequently came up in interviews with Gene Smith was the lamenting that Sean Lee was off the board for them when they picked in the Third Round last year. Gene knew that he had a patchwork linebacking corps with the obvious exception of Daryl Smith. In Reed, he gets Lee and then some! Some may say he's a 3-4 linebacker at best, but you know what? A wise old man once said you find football players where you find football players. Brooks Reed is a football player who I feel will be very successful at the next level.
With the linebacker corps in a state of flux, all indications are that Kirk Morrison will not return and that Justin Durant may not return and quite frankly, how dependable is he with his history of injuries, this is a pick that I feel will be similar to Tyson Alualu where there was nothing but silence. We then went to Youtube and watched some action and realized the kid is going to be a good one. Watch Reed's performance against Iowa back in September. People talk about Alualu's game against Minnesota as an eye opener, Reed was all over the place and thoroughly abused a traditionally stout Iowa offensive line. Ricky Stanzi was running for his life and the last Iowa drive he got sacked 3 times.
As said earlier, this is a pick that fans will not care for at first but like the line goes, "In Gene We Trust."
Pick made by: Joe Fisher
The New England Patriots are on the clock.
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i picked him at 16
on my other mock and got ridiculed,,,i stand by my guy all the way…Reed in first, colin Kap in 2nd.
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by DadeCountyJag on Apr 9, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He has got Stanzi in an unfortanate position lol
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Awesome pick
I would love for Brooks Reed to be a Jaguar next season!!
by JagsFan0789 on Apr 8, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This is a reach for me.
Not huge reach but a reach none the less. I see Reed going in the early 2nd. If your going to make waves with a pick “nobody saw coming” like Alualu I would go with somebody like Justin Houston. I feel he will be better than Kerrigan, Reed, or whoever else you see us being predicted to pick.
call me crazy but very few Georgia defensive players of the Richt era have wowed me
not to mention they’re “athaletes” but there’s been a lot of flux in the coaching on the defensive side of the ball over there the past few years.
I won’t refute that but have you actually watched tape on Houston? I could honestly care less about UGA’s defensive pedigree as it pertains to how many star players they put out I find that to be moot point. What I do care about is what my eyes tell me about a player. My eyes tell me Houston’s skill set transitions better to the pros than Reed’s. Houston put up much better numbers than Reed did this past year and I think he has a slight edge in natural athletic ability..
David Pollack is one I can think of
He didnt look bad till that neck injury ended his career. 4.5 sacks his rookie year in limited PT
You're right I completely forgot about him.
He had a really promising future it sucks his career was cut so short. Sucks even more it ended with the Bungles.
i also am going to go out on a limb and say you thought Alualu was a reach
At this point, I find it hard to still say that
Nope.
I liked him from the get go. I actually thought that was an awesome pick. Why you gotta generalize like that homey?
by KillJag on Apr 8, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it should be safe to assume someone is part of the overwhelming majority
regardless, my point is that Gene knows more than us. If he deems Reed to be the right pick, then it could very well be he is not a reach and you are wrong
IF Gene picks him, I will be satisfied that he knows what hes doing...
but I’m hoping he doesn’t take Reed at 16.
most importantly
will you burn your tickets at the stadium and dump all of your Jags gear in front of the Jaguar statue? That’s the measure of a true fan.
(joking of course). But the more you think about the pick it has “smartest guy in the room” written all over it, doesn’t it?
It certainly has some "what does he know that we don't " to it...
I’ll say this, I would rather have Reed than Kerrigan.
It’s never a safe bet to lump anyone in with the majority without knowing their opinion. If he deems Reed the right pick so be it. I’m not as knowledgeable Gene is but that doesn’t mean its impossible that he would make a poor decision. Cox is a good example.
by KillJag on Apr 8, 2011 3:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I will vehemently disagree with you about Cox.
I think he was an excellent pick. He’s a pretty good squat corner, and he is probably the best tackler in our secondary. Gene has even said that he may be the best corner on the team. I’m inclined to agree. He’s not to the level that Mathis was just a few years ago, and he may never be. But that’s no reason to discount him as a mistake. By the way, Cox has also lead the team in interceptions the last two years.
I see what you're saying.
But he gave up a 2nd rounded to get him. Is he worth that? IDK yet but my inclination at this time is no. I hope he hits another level in his play this year, I really do. But right now all I see is a guy we spent a 2nd and a 3rd round draft pick on. He’s been ok thus far just not 2 picks ok.
by KillJag on Apr 8, 2011 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're thinking about it wrong.
We didn’t spend two picks on him. It was only a second for a third. So you’re double counting the same pick when you’re talking about Cox. You can say that they spent a 2nd rounder on him if you’d like. I think it’s only fair to say that you’d expect a second rounder’s level of play from him.
That is the wrong way of thinking, if he is solid to very good contributor and will be for most
of his career, it doesn’t matter where he was picked, he’s a success. Now if he under performs that is a disappointment, not a bust. He is still young, so it is hard to say he’s a bust. Revis was no one until his third year.
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Cox has been very well worth the 2nd rounder, serving as the teams only dependable secondary member who can tackle as well as lock down people like REGGIE WAYNE. Cox will be a pro bowler very soon, mark my words.
Like I said trading second for a third and using that third is exhausting two picks no matter how you slice the pie, there is no way around that. If he truly turns it on this year I will admit I am wrong I have no problem with that and I hope I am wrong on this one. But let’s not forget that he was benched this year so he might not be quiet as good as some would like to think. I’m no coach or scout but being regular Joe Shmoe that speaks volumes for me when you opt for David Jones over a supposedly healthy Cox.
by KillJag on Apr 10, 2011 1:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
you don’t want your starting CB to be benched. However, if you watched him after he got back from his benching, he played really well.
Second you’re still looking at the number of picks spent the wrong way. The logic seems funny I know, but let’s walk through it.
Suppose we never made the trade. How many players we would we have had in the end? 1
How many players did we end up with? 1
Done deal.
If you traded back into the third, you guys gopt something else like a 4th
and a 6th or a player. You didn’t straight up trade a 2nd for a 3rd.
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We traded
our 2010 2nd Rnd pick for a 2009 3rd Rnd pick. We then used the 2009 3rd for Derek Cox.
It is one pick “any way you slice the pie”, KillJag. As far as valuing the Derek Cox selection, you should be asking yourself:
In 2009, did Derek Cox perform as well as a UDFA Rookie CB? (Yes)
In 2010, did Derek Cox perform as well as a 2nd Rnd pick Rookie? (Maybe/Yes, when he wasn’t benched.)
In 2011, ask yourself, is Derek Cox performing as good as a 2nd Rnd pick in his second year? (TBD)
by Conservative on Apr 10, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree on Justin Houston.
For a potential RDE, I see Quinn, Smith, and Houston being the best picks. And of those 3, Houston has the least issues. I would love to see us get Houston.
by Conservative on Apr 10, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If Houston
could get his mind right, he could be the best of the 43 DE’s. He’s very similar to Trent Cole without the crazy motor.
Like the pick if Jordan is off the board
Our team needs defensive help badly and that’s what we’ll address. We’ll get a qb at some point in the draft but taking one in the first round a very risky move that this team honestly can’t afford. Todd mcshay made a point on ESPN saying that gene smith likes to get guys with high floors which seems very accurate so far with the limited sample size we’ve seen. Reed looks like a very good player and that’s a nice pick
by Dwalk1217 on Apr 8, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's In Gene We Trust
not In Joe We Trust. :)
Your explanation certainly makes alot of sense, and it almost won me over. I just think there are BAP still on the board. In MY opinion, all these guys are better:
Aldon Smith
Adrian Clayborn
Jimmy Smith
Phil Taylor
Muhammed Wilkerson
Aaron Williams
Jabaar Sheard
Martez Wilson
Jabaal Sheard: Not better than Reed
Martez Wilson: Not better than Reed
Aaron Williams: 2nd rounder
Jimmy Smith: mid 20’s
by Brian Levenson on Apr 8, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Martez Wison is a beast
Jabaal Sheard is a heckuva player. I think he will have a better carrer than Reed.
Sheard for sure is not better than this guy
as fo wilson, he might be to some, but after studying both no way is he better than reed
Sheard is good but in no way is he better
he is a very solid prospect and if the jags go anything other than DE in the first then hes an option in the second but hes not better than reed
Agree with all four of these points
Also don’t have Taylor ahead of Reed.
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by CaliforniaJag on Apr 8, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That said...
Smith and Clayborn, and potentially Wilkerson and Taylor ARE better players than Brooks Reed.
Heck, Smith and Reed are about the same size, and similar in terms of speed and shiftiness, but Smith at least makes SOME plays in the running game unlike Reed.
by Brian Levenson on Apr 8, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith
maybe. I still wanna see more from Smith. I’m not sure he’s completely healed or that he will develop. If he reaches his potential he’s probably the best 43 End in the draft. Clayborn? No
Wilkerson not even close. He’s about as good as D’Anthony Smith. Little more stout, but not as quick or agile.
Reed makes a lot of plays in the run game, and he’s definitely quicker.
Reed
is better than all these players, except for maybe Aldon Smith, but he is def better than the others you listed
I really don't think so.
If you wanna go just with OLB, than Akeem Ayers and Justin Houston are both WAAAAY better than him and still on the board.
The others I listed I believe are better, but since they play different positions – I will not continue the debate. (Although I think all the guys I listed would be a better pick for us)
Only problem
with Ayers is that he’s only got first round value as a 34 OLB. Houston is a pretty good player. Might be physically Reed’s equal. I think Reed is quicker(First step) and stronger(in the run game), but Houston isn’t far behind and he’s a little more athletic when it comes to bending. The tiebreaker for me however, is the motor. Reed has a great motor and Houston’s runs cold sometimes.
Aldon could be better
and as a prospect he just might be. I have my reservations because I didn’t see much from him after his injury. Reed is the base hit, and Aldon could be the homerun swing.
Bit of a reach
I’d like to point out that Reed was single blocked for the vast majority of that Iowa game and had 1 sack and 2 tackles total until the last drive of the game. The last 2 sacks he got were on the exact same, well drawn up blitz that put Reed one-on-one with a running back.
He also failed to wrap up and make hits on the quarterback on four different occasions in just the highlights and was virtually invisible against the run. Doesn’t really sound like a 1st round guy. He’s a little more physical than Aldon Smith, but otherwise pretty much the same player. My bromance with Adrian Clayborn is still on also.
I guess tho, if it was Gene that made this pick, I’d be ok with it.
that was the one thing I noticed, Brian
was the seemingly overpursuit on a lot of plays. BUT, last year it appeared that Alualu overpursued quite a bit and the ends were not quick enough to either get to the qb or get the runner before he hit the corner. Keep in mind I believe Reed will be an OLB so he’ll be that short second line of defense who can meet the qb or runner and is not afraid to hit.
Wait... you want Reed as an OLB
Now I don’t like this pick at all.
by Brian Levenson on Apr 8, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
thus the comparisons to Matthews and Cushing
I think Lane has just scratched the surface of his ability. Once he develops a move, watch out. He has a Jason Taylor quality to him.
He's a pure pass rusher
He’s not really a LB. Those other guys are 3-4 pass rushers and that’s why they are at LB.
The Jaguars are locked into a 4-3. We’ve drafted/ signed players that are best suited to a 4-3 and openly stated that we will play one. Reed’s coverage skills are an unknown, and his marketable skills are at DE.
I don’t want him as a OLB.
by Brian Levenson on Apr 8, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Still disagree with you:
We’ve drafted/ signed players that are best suited to a 4-3
I believe more of our players fit a 3-4 better than they fit a 4-3. We honestly don’t have the players to play either defense.
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by CaliforniaJag on Apr 8, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Please don't start this again
WE ARE A 4-3 TEAM
by Brian Levenson on Apr 8, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the pick if he is to be an OLB
but that is because I sriously believe the Jags should be using a 3-4 defense with their personnel
OSU guys
suck my right but in the Pros. Never draft OSU
I think it is wrong to generalize all players based on the school they attended.
However, I don’t see anything about Cameron Heyward’s play that says we should draft him in the first round.
by Conservative on Apr 10, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
BINGO JOE!
Guess i nailed my guess earlier on the dolphins pick! I actually love this pick. He gives you both options at OLB and DE. The guy plays hard non stop. Im gonna guess he has pretty high intelligence as well. I have not read a thing about him taking plays off. He appears to be a natural leader, and a guy that practices as hard as he plays. Not to mention, not being mentioned nationally. I bet this kid will be out to prove something! Almost like a MJD mentality.
I believe he's pretty smart
and so is Houston imo. Aldon on the other hand looks super raw, and he will take time to develop.
Recent Mocks
I’ve read numerous recent mocks, including 2 of 4 analysts on nfl.com projecting that Da’Quan Bowers falls to 16 in the Jags hands. Would people on here be satisfied with that if Bowers was to fall?
Personally
was never a huge fan of his. Didn’t look all that good to me when I first saw him and when he was said to go in the top 3, I stopped worrying about him. However I could easily see him being the top guy when it came to pick, but not if he’s gonna have injury issues. Even without the injury issues I could see us passing on him. His first step is among the worst when compared to the rest of the DE’s being considered.
NOT A GOOD PICK...
IMO…I’m not going to pick a guy who had 8 sacks over the last 2 seasons playing against some average and below average schools….for a guy to have the fastest 10 yard split at the combine and a non-stop motor….WHY so little production against some O-lineman that will never make it to the pros.(I know some guys has turned out to be good with less production in college..BUT thats like saying how many Tom Bradys have been found in the later rounds…NOT MANY)..this guy had a good senior bowl and a good combine….History should tell you dont put to much into a guy just b/c of a good combine workout…..Be honest if this guy didnt play in the senior bowl or go to the combine he wouldn’t even be a 1st round consideration with his production during his college career and game film…if you cant get it done against some of the teams they played…WTH makes anyone think he will get it done against the Colts O-line for that matter….I could be wrong…but this guy has 2nd-3rd round value IMO….his last 7 games as a senior this guy had just 2 sacks and average about 3.5 tkls a game over his last 7 games….and not to mention just 2 sacks the entire 09 season…I will pass on one year wonders and so should Gene..I hope
ok he had 2 good years...2010 & 2008
but 2009 he had 23 tkls and 2 sacks all year….i’m sorry but that year he had 10 tkls total against the 5 ranked teams they played that year including ZERO sacks against those 5 top 25 teams, oh but wait in all those games he did have 2 TFL against Oregon.the others he did nothing..he started but damn sure didn’t step up in those big games that year….I might be alone on this thread but even Wes Bunting wrote a article saying almost the same thing that I see with this guy….and it’s not just him its alot of people that see this guy get pushed right by the QB all the time…alot of his plays was 2nd effort….other than that I watched a guy run right by the play alot of times in his career.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Brooks-Reed-the-next-overdrafted-workout-warrior.html
but...
….long hair = clay matthews sooooo…..
I don’t think you’re the only one on this thread. I think people are reading way into Brooks Reed’s combine numbers and long hair. I just did a quick couple of rounds on the net to get a feel for how fans of other teams see him. A lot of times(I’m not saying most), the statement “…reminds me of Clay Matthews…” is accompanied by a pic of him with long hair coming out of his helmet with a visor on. Gimme a break. First of all, the guy was a DE his entire career except a couple games at the end. Clay Matthews is a pure linebacker so that’s apples to oranges. I know, I know, somebody’s gonna chime in with the “but Clay played DE sometimes”. Not really, he was a linebacker but USC got the idea to stand him up where a DE would normally line up because they had success with it with Brian Cushing. So there’s no way a career lineman can have two linebackers written all over him, plus be Sean Lee and some. Not when you’re talking about linebacker duties. You’d be saying Brooks Reed making the switch from lineman to linebacker is better than Sean Lee playing linebacker. No thanks! Keep in mind that playing on the line is different than playing off the line. And just because you can play one, doesn’t necessarily mean you can play the other.
I do like his size and quick burst, though. He’d be a nice fit at sam linebacker. MAYBE even mike. I would not use him at will, though. He’s got a nice burst, but I don’t know if he’s fast enough to go left to right and back again at lb depth for a whole game. I like him one on one with a tackle, not constantly fighting through crowds chasing the play down. This is key because the Jags like to cross train the linebackers to play at any of the three positions. So you would be asking him to not only make the transition to linebacker, but then learn how to play all 3 lb positions. Which are completely different, I might add. People forget that.
So I see a couple options for him:
Draft him and let him play on the line – I’m not opposed to this
Draft him as a 34 OLB like the “experts” think he should play – we know the Jags ain’t having that
Draft him as a 43 LB – in this case, I don’t think he fits the Jags. There may be more value in another guy at 16.
Again, let’s stop comparing this guy to linebackers because he’s not one. Considering the state of the Jags defense, I think if you want a linebacker, you got out and get a linebacker. If there’s value somewhere else you go get THAT guy to play his position. All this position switching stuff is for college coaches.
Do yourself a favor
watch his film. Even without the Senior Bowl and Combine I thought he had a first round grade. Heck I thought his senior bowl wasn’t as good as as some of his game film. Don’t be fooled with his lack of production. The way teams played against him I don’t blame him for not having a lot of sacks. People ran away from him. He was double teamed on every pass play. He was one of those guys that was game-planned against. Also he wasn’t one of those guys that was gonna just run after the QB without remembering his responsibilities.
Thank you.
I was going to respond earlier, but I’m tired of wasting my time.
He was blocked by one guy all game against Iowa
by Brian Levenson on Apr 8, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Iowa has one of the best offensive lines in the NCAA every year.
They rarely need to double team a guy.
IOWA HAS A GOOD LINE....
that must explain why Ricky Elmore had 11 tkls & 3 sacks against IOWA in 2009 & 2010…combined…oh and ELMORE saw double teams as well…atleast REED had a good line and had a stud on the opposite side of him…..BUT….wait I like Kerrigan ahead of this guy you know why…..b/c when he played against that great IOWA line you speak of….he had 8 tkls, 2.5 TFL and a sack in one game…and also teams game planned against Kerrigan all year..they double teamed him and ran away but he still was a beast…I’m not saying REED isn’t good but he’s not 16th pick good IMO.
Please stop capitalizing random words.
It’s just annoying. You can make your point without emphasizing random words.
In 2010, Reed had 5 tackles and 2 sacks against Iowa, so I don’t know what your gripe is. That would be twice as many sacks as Kerrigan and the same number as Elmore. Also, Elmore only had 3 tackles in that game.
Kerrigan generally lines up against the right tackle to do most of his damage. If he can’t beat you with his speed, he doesn’t beat you. Reed faced left tackles all year. Reed faced just as many double teams, and Elmore’s production was generally a result of the attention required to stop Reed. Teams game planned for Reed. He terrorizes opposing quarterbacks. This guy is utterly relentless. He plays nasty, and he is explosive.
Is this better....
On Reed 2 sacks he wasn’t even blocked, the LT fired to the B gap he came untouched and blew right by the RB…..they did that on alot of plays that game and he over ran the QB 75% of the time.
You do realize that the LT
Reed was facing is on the all big ten team and future high round draft pick. Just saying.
So basically... Pro quality LT's will be able to handle him one on one
That’s good to know.
by Brian Levenson on Apr 9, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
So look at the video below...Reed was one on one the whole game..
he did get a sack but he was pretty much held in check against Arizona State….not to mention he missed the game winning tackle in overtime and thats why they lost to unranked Arizona State.
If you call that missing the game winning tackl
you must have high standards. You must not even think Kerrigan is worth a second round pick. Just watch Kerrigan against Illinois. Got dominated one on one all game. Had one highlight when the QB ran into him and the rest of the game he was getting easily blocked or he was on the ground. Watch the Illinois game.
What do you call it...
Did he miss the tackle or not?…..Yea Kerrigan was held in check but still managed 4 tkls, 2 TFL including that sack you speak of against Illinois….so atleast he’s making some type of impact……Reed was held in check alot of games in 2010…he had 1 tkl against CAL, he had 1 tkl against Washington, and 1 tkl against Stanford…and he was not double teamed all game in none of those games…..but this is a no win topic you like Reed and so do I just not at 16…I’m done!
I did
A.J who I coached is the top WR for Illinois so I watch all of there games….and Kerrigan did get pushed around some…but a guy like him is gonna get some plays in sooner or later in every game with his motor.
That was not some
he was getting murdered in that game. My problem with Kerrigan is that when he’s facing average or better OT’s he is completely washed out. Reed on the other hand has to regularly face Illinois talent(at OT) or better in the PAC. I know the PAC isn’t the SEC but they got good LT’s. And when facing the same level of talent Reed easily looks better. At least he stays on his feet and he keeps his gap integrity.
Adrian Clayborn, btw
Beats double teams.
Just sayin.
by Brian Levenson on Apr 9, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that he didn't in 2010.
He of the 4.5 sacks last year.
19.5 for his career.
There are maybe two or three teams where Clayborn wouldn’t be an instant starter at LDE and a good one. He’d be my pick at 16.
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by Brian Levenson on Apr 9, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a great 2009.
You can’t take that away from him. I think he’ll be a solid LDE, but to act like he’s far superior because he beats double teams is a fallacy. He didn’t beat double teams. That’s why his production fell off last year.
My problem
with Adrian… Yes I really like him at LDE. But I don’t value that position nearly as much as I do.the RDE. Lane is already a good LDE. Harvey is a decent LDE. The elusive position is the right side. The Dwight Freeney’s and etc.
I think a more appropriate description is ran by a guy all game
Stanzi was running for his life and for good measure, he sacked Stanzi in the Senior Bowl as well!
interesting pick
Interesting pick and logic. Especially since JJ Watt and Akeem Ayers are still on the board.
I’m doubtful Reed is strong enough to anchor the edge in the Jags 4-3, or enough of an athlete to cover in space the way a true 4-3 OLB needs to. He’s much more dangerous in a 3-4 D that needs a couple pieces. But an interesting pick to think about.
I’m gonna be picking for Jacksonville over at Buffalo Rumblings in our version of this mock, so I’ve been poking around here to help prepare.
I’ve seen a lot of Cam Jordan in fan mocks; if he falls in our draft, I’m pretty sold already. Some Bills fans would be almost barely OK with Jordan at #3.
Ponder comes up, too, but you guys already have Trent Edwards, so you’re SET at QB for a while. ;)
Then there’s the rest of the usual suspects: Kerrigan, Sheard, Aldon Smith, Adrian Clayborn, who would all be acceptable fits at #16.
So that’s where I’m at. Please correct me where I am wrong, and disagree when possible. I’d like to represent your team properly. Thanks.
tl;dr making Jags pick in another community mock. i like cam jordan, too
is the juice worth the squeeze?
LMAO
the Ponder to Edwards line is priceless…LOL….but if Jordan is there you have to take him…otherwise get a guy who is proven and has played and produced against some good O-lineman year after year.
pretty simple, this draft stuff. why does everybody get all worked up?
is the juice worth the squeeze?
Because
you never know. There is no metric to follow. Personally I would rather have Reed over Cam. Cam looked like a beast at the senior bowl, but in real games he was fairly average. And then on top of that Cam doesn’t really fit in our system. In our system I would compare him to our own retired Rob Meier who was a good versatile backup that could play End and DT but was obviously never worth a 16th overall pick.
Sarcastic tone doesn’t translate through my keyboard; I need to remember that.
Thanks for the notes. What I like about Cam is his excellent character report, the Pac 10 experience, and his paring with Alualu. I’m glad to hear some other opinions.
is the juice worth the squeeze?
Naw I got your sarcasim
and even though I was “replying” to you I wasn’t really. Hard to explain. lol
Oh and about Reed
he isn’t perfect by any stretch, like any other prospect coming out, but he is definitely strong enough in the run game. Just watch him push 315 lbs tackles with one hand and while running down a RB. He plays with great leverage and strength. At just under 6’3" and 263 lbs he would be stouter than our own Aaron Kampman who stands at 6’4" 260 and Kerrigan is also 6’4" but weighs 4 lbs more than Reed. He also benches the same amount of reps as Justin Houston and 5 more reps than Cam and 10 more than Aldon Smith.
good points
Do the Jags need more run support from the position, or would a ’tweener be a better fit/would you rather have a true position fit or a guy that can do well enough at a few things?
is the juice worth the squeeze?
The DE position
could be better at stopping the run, but that’s mostly in an effort to rush the passer better. Harvey can stop the run with the best of them. And Kampman is good at everything, but he was missing for half the season. If we have Kampman and Austen Lane starting a full year we should be pretty good at stopping the run. What we really need is an impact pass rusher to bookend Kampman and to eventually take his place.
well thanks
This has been an informative chat. I understand Kampman is a bit of a durability risk, and having him mentor the next pass rusher would be good for the near future.
is the juice worth the squeeze?
hmm...could be
But I’ll take a backhanded complement with a roster spot and a gameday check. Of course any average joe would. I think, though some vets would cherish the honor. Not all athletes have huge egos.
is the juice worth the squeeze?
I'm gonna take some of the credit on this one.
The mock draft I did really had an impact on the BCC community, cool.
gotta be completely honest Dave
I didn’t look at your mock draft til just now. You see so many of them, they all just meld together like a Rorschach Test
(psst. it’s either a butterfly or a vagina!)
I was sitting at my desk this morning hoping we weren’t going to get shut down and for some reason I did a mental scan of players and this Reed guy just kept popping up. I looked at the measurables plus the players we currently have and was wowed by the burst and the video. I like guys who leave it all on the field and are loathe to tap their helmet to beg out of a game for a few plays.
by Joe Fisher on Apr 8, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That may be true
about not looking at his draft, but it’s been a common subject ever since he mocked him to us.
Ricky Elmore
was the best lineman on there team….and coaches and players have said that for the last 3 years.
Now I know you're smoking
and you haven’t watched them or at least you haven’t watched them enough. That’s why looking at stats is deceiving.
not happy with this pick
Not only is he a reach and probably available in the 2nd or 3rd. I think he’s vastly overrated. I watched a highlights package of him and he never did anything except go flying past the QB out of control.
I’d prefer Smith, Kerrigan or Watt if Jordan is gone. Heyward or even Clayborn too.
He’s also not a 4-3 OLB
What could of happened; did.
Is that what this is about?
Picking a second rounder and baffling everyone and claiming some sort of moral highground when he turns out to be decent?
Because you miss a legitimate first rounder when you do that and the opportunity to trade down and get more picks
What could of happened; did.
no, it's not
I look at a player who has upside, high motor, and is a play maker. If I took the high moral ground, don’t you think I’d have taken Herzlich from Boston College?
Thing is, how do YOU (or me) know who a first rounder is or isn’t? I’d dare say there will be about 10 or more first rounders who are busts.
Congratulations on Brooks Reed
Over at BattleRedBlog, I scarfed up Cameron Jordan on behalf of the Jags at #16.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
People are too obsessed with this “Did you know who Alualu was last year?” Is this the new “Gene” way to pick? I sure knew a hell of a lot about Eugene Monroe and Eben Britton. I think that since it has been beat like a drum for a while now, people are afraid to make the Kerrigan pick, but I would take Kerrigan over Reed in a heart beat, especially when the intent is to make Brooks Reed a linebacker in the 4-3. If the objective is to reach for a linebacker then why not go Ayers or Martez Wilson, these guys actually have a lot of experience at linebacker but have played with their hand in the dirt too. Brooks Reed isn’t a 4-3 DE or a 4-3 OLB, he is the best fit for an OLB in the 3-4.
by Obst on Apr 8, 2011 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
you're missing my point
There are too many “SEC-centric” fans who think the only football players worth a damn are playing East of the Mississippi.
Kerrigan is way overrated and his stats are a lie.
Just by watching his highlight videos you can tell that. I watched a video that had 16 of Kerrigan’s big plays. 12 of them came with him rushing from the left side of the line. Only 4 were against left tackles! Brooks Reed actually faced left tackles all year, and he was productive. His motor is obscene. He is relentlessness personified. The guy never lets up.
You must be watching the wrong tapes of Kerrigan
In this tape alone you will see him make plays from both sides…and on the left side you will see a ton of plays being made not 4 like you said…again this tape alone shows way more than 4 plays from the left side….and there tons of tape thru out his career that shows plenty of sacks and TFL coming from the left side.
That video
was still decidedly favoring playing against right tackles. I counted 19 against right tackles, and 11 against left tackles. Most of the video was against very weak competition like WIU, Notre Dame, and Michigan. Also, there were very few instances of him sacking the quarterback against the left tackle. Most of the video was him tackling the running backs when he either wasn’t blocked, or speed rushed by the linemen. I’m telling you if he doesn’t beat you with his speed, he doesn’t beat you.
I agree
he has no use of his hands and he plays too high.
Wow… Just watched that vid. I was halfway through that video before I saw him make a play where he wasn’t basically playing against air. Then when he finally faced someone it was against a small school TE. And in 90% of the other plays he was playing against horrible OT’s that both didn’t move their hands or their feet. And the few times the OT did what they were supposed to, the QB sacked himself.
(Don’t get me wrong, I actually like him a lot as a player. But if I’m gonna nitpick both players(Reed too) I see the reason why Kerrigan made so many more plays.)
Brooks Reed?
I think you are trying too hard. You must of picked Reed because you thought it would be a out of left field Gene Smith type of pick. The only really left field pick he has made is Alualu but even that doesn’t seem too bad considering all the praise he got during the Senior Bowl and where he was at on other teams boards.
A LB over potential franchise QBs Ponder, Kap? Reed over Jordan and Kerrigan? I don’t get it. You guys are trying too hard to be Gene. It’s getting to be ridiculous now. Just pick the guy most likely to not be picked by anyone. Yea, that’s Gene alright. Best Available Most Likely Not to Be Noticed by Anyone and Picked in the First Round Philosphy (BAMLNBNAP).
you know what?
If the rationale I laid out above is not good enough for you, then I don’t know what to tell you. The angle that I was under the impression as laid out by Alfie in pick #1 was to act as if this was the pick you felt the team would make, not the one who would put asses in seats and appease the masses (Ponder) or a quarterback who no one gave a crap about til they beat Boise State. What exactly is a potential franchise qb? Bear in mind for all of the research that was done that proved you’ll be hard pressed to find one after round 1, of those first rounders, you’re still looking at about a 35% success rate of those guys. The Matt Ryans, Big Bens, etc. are not the norm.
Reed had an outstanding Senior Bowl as well and a good combine. If I was picking for a “out of left field Gene pick” then why the hell did I not pick Casey Matthews or Herzlich?
Honestly, my methodology was to see which shell my daughter’s hermit crab would eat from first, Ryan Kerrigan or Brooks Reed. After 2 days (hermit crabs eat very little) Sebastian finally went to the Reed shell.
I know this is all in fun, but please don’t make it out like I half-assed my way into a pick strictly for shock value. The guy’s stock is rising. Just watch.
by Joe Fisher on Apr 9, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As long as I get severance pay out the door and you buy out the rest of my contract...
so i can go and help destroy another franchise, I’m cool.
One thing’s for sure, the press conferences would be damn entertaining.
And sadly, my daughter’s hermit crab died last month. The replacement crab Sparkles, died a week after we bought it. I took the shell out of the cage to clean it and a dead clump of crab just fell out of the shell.
I asked the dude at Petsmart if he could tell whether a crab was male or female and he could not.
Anyway, we have not told her about Sparkles. She asks when Sparkles is coming out of the shell and I told her that hermit crabs hibernate for years at a time.
The Patriots are in the process of trading it
for the Panter’s + the Raiders entire 2012 draft + a hoody
What could of happened; did.
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