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What happened to FACT Checking..? (RE: AEG and the L.A. lies)

As I am sure everyone has all heard and read.. AEG is at it AGAIN saying they are talking with Jacksonville (amongst other teams) about moving to LA. When in reality they are calling the teams and most are saying "not interested", so the correct verb would be talking TO.. not talking WITH. But I digress..

Last year, JUST for this reason, I kept track of attendance NFL Wide, along with some comparitive anyalisis at the beginning of the year

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2010/9/14/1689221/attendance-facts-and-figures

So here it is, I have consolidated all the Attendance info I put together last year and made some notes for those that have a hard time reading FACTS and a Spreadsheet. That way they can skip all the technical stuff and read the commentary. At least if they cheat off my commentary, they will at least get thier info straight. 

2010 NFL REGULAR SEASON ATTENDANCE

RK

TEAM

Games

Total

AVG

Stadium Max

% Stadium

MSA (ADJ) 

MKT SZ

1

Dallas

8

696,377

87,047

80,000

108.8%

6,447,615

5

2

Washington

8

665,380

83,172

91,704

90.7%

5,476,241

10

3

NY Giants

8

632,156

79,019

82,566

95.7%

9,534,898

2 (T)

4

NY Jets 

8

628,768

78,596

82,566

95.2%

9,534,898

2 (T)

5

Denver

8

599,264

74,908

76,125

98.4%

2,552,195

20

6

Carolina

8

580,965

72,620

73,778

98.4%

1,745,524

28

7

Baltimore

8

569,817

71,227

71,008

100.3%

2,690,886

19

8

Houston

8

568,643

71,080

71,500

99.4%

5,867,489

8

9

Green Bay

8

566,362

70,795

72,928

97.1%

1,886,783

27

10

New Orleans

8

560,304

70,038

72,968

96.0%

1,189,981

32

11

San Francisco

7

488,124

69,732

70,207

99.3%

2,158,927

23 (T)

12

Philadelphia

8

553,152

69,144

69,144

100.0%

5,968,252

7

13

Tennessee

8

553,144

69,143

69,143

100.0%

1,582,264

31

14

New England

8

550,048

68,756

68,756

100.0%

7,288,680

4

15

Atlanta

8

542,800

67,850

71,228

95.3%

5,475,213

11

16

Miami

8

541,959

67,744

75,192

90.1%

5,547,051

9

17

Kansas City

8

541,380

67,672

77,000

87.9%

2,067,585

26

18

Seattle

8

535,942

66,992

67,000

100.0%

3,407,848

15

19

Indianapolis

8

535,802

66,975

66,153

101.2%

1,743,658

29

20

Cleveland

8

528,933

66,116

73,200

90.3%

2,091,286

25

21

San Diego

8

524,241

65,530

71,294

91.9%

4,053,793

14

22

Buffalo

7

442,366

63,195

73,967

85.4%

6,223,804

6

23

Pittsburgh

8

504,669

63,083

65,050

97.0%

2,354,957

21

24

Jacksonville

8

504,262

63,032

67,164

93.8%

1,668,144

30

25

Arizona

8

502,197

62,774

63,400

99.0%

4,364,094

13

26

Chicago

8

497,561

62,195

61,500

101.1%

9,580,567

1

27

Cincinnati

8

482,917

60,364

65,790

91.8%

2,171,896

22

28

Minnesota

8

470,009

58,751

64,121

91.6%

3,269,814

16

29

Detroit

8

450,286

56,285

64,500

87.3%

4,403,437

12

30

St. Louis

8

423,383

52,922

66,965

79.0%

2,828,990

17

31

Tampa Bay

8

394,513

49,314

65,857

74.9%

2,747,272

18

32

Oakland

8

371,448

46,431

63,026

73.7%

2,158,927

23 (T)

 

NFL AVG

531,474

66,953

71,088

94.1%

4,065,093

14

 

These are the OVERALL 2011 attendance figures.. and as you can tell Jacksonville was 24th in total only 50 (YES FIFTY ) less than Pittsburgh's average attendance. Are they having ticket sale trouble I don't know about..? Also note Buffalo only had more than 160 on average, and they had to move one of their games to Toronto.

Now lets compare how teams compared to one another in ability to FILL their stadium based on a % of capacity..

RK

TEAM

Games

Total

AVG

Stadium Max

% Stadium

MSA (ADJ) 

MKT SZ

1

Dallas

8

696,377

87,047

80,000

108.8%

6,447,615

5

2

Indianapolis

8

535,802

66,975

66,153

101.2%

1,743,658

29

3

Chicago

8

497,561

62,195

61,500

101.1%

9,580,567

1

4

Baltimore

8

569,817

71,227

71,008

100.3%

2,690,886

19

5

Philadelphia

8

553,152

69,144

69,144

100.0%

5,968,252

7

6

Tennessee

8

553,144

69,143

69,143

100.0%

1,582,264

31

7

New England

8

550,048

68,756

68,756

100.0%

7,288,680

4

8

Seattle

8

535,942

66,992

67,000

100.0%

3,407,848

15

9

Houston

8

568,643

71,080

71,500

99.4%

5,867,489

8

10

San Francisco

7

488,124

69,732

70,207

99.3%

2,158,927

23 (T)

11

Arizona

8

502,197

62,774

63,400

99.0%

4,364,094

13

12

Carolina

8

580,965

72,620

73,778

98.4%

1,745,524

28

13

Denver

8

599,264

74,908

76,125

98.4%

2,552,195

20

14

Green Bay

8

566,362

70,795

72,928

97.1%

1,886,783

27

15

Pittsburgh

8

504,669

63,083

65,050

97.0%

2,354,957

21

16

New Orleans

8

560,304

70,038

72,968

96.0%

1,189,981

32

17

NY Giants

8

632,156

79,019

82,566

95.7%

9,534,898

2 (T)

18

Atlanta

8

542,800

67,850

71,228

95.3%

5,475,213

11

19

NY Jets

8

628,768

78,596

82,566

95.2%

9,534,898

2 (T)

20

Jacksonville

8

504,262

63,032

67,164

93.8%

1,668,144

30

21

San Diego

8

524,241

65,530

71,294

91.9%

4,053,793

14

22

Cincinnati

8

482,917

60,364

65,790

91.8%

2,171,896

22

23

Minnesota

8

470,009

58,751

64,121

91.6%

3,269,814

16

24

Washington

8

665,380

83,172

91,704

90.7%

5,476,241

10

25

Cleveland

8

528,933

66,116

73,200

90.3%

2,091,286

25

26

Miami

8

541,959

67,744

75,192

90.1%

5,547,051

9

27

Kansas City

8

541,380

67,672

77,000

87.9%

2,067,585

26

28

Detroit

8

450,286

56,285

64,500

87.3%

4,403,437

12

29

Buffalo

7

442,366

63,195

73,967

85.4%

6,223,804

6

30

St. Louis

8

423,383

52,922

66,965

79.0%

2,828,990

17

31

Tampa Bay

8

394,513

49,314

65,857

74.9%

2,747,272

18

32

Oakland

8

371,448

46,431

63,026

73.7%

2,158,927

23 (T)

 

NFL AVG

531,474

66,953

71,088

94.1%

4,065,093

14

 

A comparative analysis shows Jacksonville was right at the NFL average last year at 20th in percentage of stadium filled.

Jacksonville at the end of the year was over 93% capacity. Tampa, Detriot, Oakland, and St Louis have Smaller stadiums and are under 85% in capacity..  Also while Arizona and Chicago were close to or over 100% sell out, we averaged more tickets sold. Also if you look at Arizona, Oakland and Chicago capacities.. we would have 100% sold out in those stadiums. Chicago the statistically largest market (When you divide NY into two) has the SMALLEST Stadium at 61,500. We seat over 5,000 more than Chicago WITH THE SEATS COVERED.

On that subject.. Lets cover the "Jacksonville should move since they had to cover their seats" nonsense.

Lets compare stadiums in the league according to Maximum size of stadium and Market Size.

Note that I have included Everbank field WITH and WITHOUT covered seats..

RK

TEAM

Stadium Max

% Stadium

MSA (ADJ) 

MKT SZ

1

Washington

91,704

90.70%

5,476,241

10

2

NY Giants

82,566

95.70%

9,534,898

2 (T)

3

NY Jets

82,566

95.20%

9,534,898

2 (T)

4

Dallas

80,000

108.80%

6,447,615

5

5

Kansas City

77,000

87.90%

2,067,585

26

6*

Jacksonville

76,867

82.01%

1,668,144

30

6

Denver

76,125

98.40%

2,552,195

20

7

Miami

75,192

90.10%

5,547,051

9

8

Buffalo

73,967

85.40%

6,223,804

6

9

Carolina

73,778

98.40%

1,745,524

28

10

Cleveland

73,200

90.30%

2,091,286

25

11

New Orleans

72,968

96.00%

1,189,981

32

12

Green Bay

72,928

97.10%

1,886,783

27

13

Houston

71,500

99.40%

5,867,489

8

14

San Diego

71,294

91.90%

4,053,793

14

15

Atlanta

71,228

95.30%

5,475,213

11

16

Baltimore

71,008

100.30%

2,690,886

19

17

San Francisco

70,207

99.30%

2,158,927

23 (T)

18

Philadelphia

69,144

100.00%

5,968,252

7

19

Tennessee

69,143

100.00%

1,582,264

31

20

New England

68,756

100.00%

7,288,680

4

21*

Jacksonville

67,164

93.80%

1,668,144

30

22

Seattle

67,000

100.00%

3,407,848

15

23

St. Louis

66,965

79.00%

2,828,990

17

24

Indianapolis

66,153

101.20%

1,743,658

29

25

Tampa Bay

65,857

74.90%

2,747,272

18

26

Cincinnati

65,790

91.80%

2,171,896

22

27

Pittsburgh

65,050

97.00%

2,354,957

21

28

Detroit

64,500

87.30%

4,403,437

12

29

Minnesota

64,121

91.60%

3,269,814

16

30

Arizona

63,400

99.00%

4,364,094

13

31

Oakland

63,026

73.70%

2,158,927

23 (T)

32

Chicago

61,500

101.10%

9,580,567

1

 

Jacksonville is the 30th in adjusted Market Size ( although some numbers "experts" have used  would have us as low as the 32nd ) yet if we don't cover the seats we would have the 6th largest stadium in the NFL.

Looking purely based on the average attendance as a percentage of the stadium,  EVEN if we didn't cover the seats we would have a better percentage of the stadium filled than St. Louis, Tampa Bay, or Oakland.  Which by the way,  it should be noted have the 31st, 25th and 23rd largest stadiums.  Even covered our stadium is larger than those as we are the 21nd largest stadium WITH the seats covered.

So what do get from all this..

1) YES, Jacksonville covered the seats but even with the covered seats we are a large stadium. Thus the image we have a lot of empty seats compared to smaller stadiums. Based on a percentage of the stadium filled we are basically at 20 are right at the NFL Average.

2) Compared to the size of the market we are doing well in ticket sales. Not great, but on average with the NFL and BETTER than much larger markets like Chicago, and on par with teams like Pittsburgh. 

3) Oakland, Tampa, St. Louis, and Detroit have had a MUCH harder time selling tickets than Jacksonville ever had.

4) MOST commentators and "journalists" don't apparently do any research and just repeat what they are told. 

5) Maybe if this spread on the net, someone will get the message to quit the lies.. !

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