Terrelle Pryor as a wide receiver prospect?

by robert ethan on Jun 9, 2011 11:16 PM EDT

Jags have a history of drafting athletic quarterbacks to convert to receivers. Matt Jones was actually doing fairly well prior to his cocaine incident. That season I think he was the leading receiver out of the 2005 draft at the time of his suspension. Even at his worst he was better than guys taken ahead of him like Troy Williamson and Mike Williams.Pryor is a very similar athlete to Jones when he came out. 6-6, around 240 pounds, 4.4 speed, long arms, big hands, basketball hops. Zach Miller is another more recent example, and the two year vet hasn't disappointed other than through injury.

Given the fact that two draft picks were sacrificed in April to move up for targeted players, the club may be willing to give up a 2012 pick for immediate help at a thin position. By moving for Pryor in the supplemental draft they could have him in the system for a full year before they even had to "spend" a draft pick on him. Normally teams trading a future pick for a current pick in the draft pay a premium of one round. If you want a second round pick now, it will cost a first round pick next draft. So, getting Pryor for a third round pick in 2012 (via the supplemental draft) makes it the equivalent of using a fourth rounder now.

Looking at Pryor as a conversion project, is he worth as much as the fourth round receiver the team did take this year, Cecil Shorts? Shorts himself was a former quarterback who converted to receiver in college. He is a couple of years older than Pryor. Given Terrelle's 6-6 frame which can comfortably carry 250 pounds with 4.5 speed and his natural athleticism, he could become a formidable H back type of receiver similar to Antonio Gates. Denver used a fourth round pick this year on Julius Thomas, a former basketball star who only turned to football a year ago as a pass catching tight end. Thomas doesn't have the raw tools of Pryor, and is a year older than the OSU star.All in all, I'd use a third rounder in the supplemental draft on Pryor. Develop him as a receiver who can also fill a "slash" type role and perhaps return punts or kickoffs similar to Brad Smith with the Jets. I believe that Smith may have been a fourth round pick and he wasn't nearly as impressive a physical specimen as Pryor coming out of college.

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I didn't even read the post but...

NO!

Can't stand the truth?

by Aristotle45 on Jun 9, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions

If it wasn't for the

off the field stuff, I wouldn’t consider it out of the question. He could honestly make a good receiver. But if we are gonna draft him as a conversion player we need to place a similar value on him as we did Zach Miller, which is to say a 6th round draft pick.

by Ewdtrey on Jun 10, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions

I was thinking somewhere between Miller (6th round) and Jones (1st round)

If Pryor was willing to move, he has at least the upside potential that Jones did coming out. Plus he would probably make a better emergency quarterback, or wildcard option, than either Miller or Jones. Looking at the Jags WR corps, the crying need appears to be a tall guy with speed to provide a deep threat. At this point in the process the options are down to a bunch of aging has beens with attitude available in pro free agency, or the scraps left over from the draft in college free agency. Neither option is all that attractive.

by robert ethan on Jun 10, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Brandon Marshall was a QB in college as well

Though not full time. I think he alternated between QB and WR. Might be a good comparison for Pryor. Hines Ward as well. Marshall was a third or fourth round pick, Ward as well.

by robert ethan on Jun 10, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions

Ummm...

. Matt Jones was actually doing fairly well prior to his cocaine incident.

Sorry but after that comment I kinda have to discredit anything you say.
I wouldn’t mind Pryor but I wouldn’t use a 3rd round pick on him and I don’t even think you can trade picks in the supplemental draft.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jun 11, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions

Uuummm....

Jones had 65 catches in 12 games in 2008 before he was suspended. That was more than the three WR drafted ahead of him (Edwards, Williamson, Williams) had COMBINED. For the entire 2008 season. Matt was even ahead of Roddy White, the one receiver out of that draft who has been consistently successful, at the time of his suspension. White went to the Pro Bowl that year.

Who said anything about “trading picks in supplemental draft”? You make an offer by round on a player you want. If noone drafting prior to you in that round makes an offer, you get the player and forfiet your pick in that round in the next draft. If the Jags offer in the third round, they would not have a third round pick in 2012. But they would already have had Pryor in the organization for a year. That is why teams trading future pick for current ones generally give up one round in the exchange. Belichik does it all the time. Trading second round picks for future first round picks. So a third round supplemental pick would be the same as a fourth round pick in the regular draft.

by robert ethan on Jun 11, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions

First off

Being better than crap doesn’t make you good.
And ok I looked it up and have a better understanding of the supplemental draft, with that being said, there is no way I would give a 3rd round pick for Pryor. A 5th or 6th maybe but no way a 3rd.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jun 11, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Jones was only 25 when he did that, though

I think it was his fourth season in the league. For a guy starting out from scratch to learn a new position, it wasn’t too shabby. Who knows how good he could have become if he stayed clean? He was on pace for a 90 catch season.

by robert ethan on Jun 11, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Are you serious?

How many yards did those 65 catches net? how many touchdowns? He never would have a 90 catch season in our offense. If he had stayed clean? he played for the Bengals, theres no need to stay clean there and he couldn’t even make the team, face it, the guy was a bust.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jun 12, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions

In all fairness

He was on pace to catch about 75-80 balls. And he was averaging about 12 yards a catch I believe. Which is about right for what his true role should have been, a big possession receiver. In his early years he was forced into a slash/deep threat role that didn’t fit him.

I’m not saying he was a definite number one had he stayed on the Jaguars, but he did lead the team in receptions in a bad situation. If he were still with the Jaguars, he could be a solid player.

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by Bestjagfan on Jun 12, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

65 catches in 12 games is 5.5 per game

5.5 × 4 is 22. So, he would have caught 87 balls in his first season as a starter with the team. Plus Jones was always the Jags best reciever in the playoff games. He could have been as good as he wanted to. In Cincy he was the star of training camp, but I think he fell off the wagon again.

by robert ethan on Jun 12, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea

I was definitely in the group that wanted to keep him. He was one of my favorite players.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 13, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions

He was one of your favorite players?

Dude… sigh. I loathed him with every ounce of my soul. Most unmotivated, lazy player I’ve ever seen don a helmet and shoulder pads.

by Blair72 on Jun 14, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions

He was one of my favorite players too.

But I must say that I was a pretty naive fan when he was on the team. I didn’t take things such as intrinsic drive and character into account at the time. I enjoyed watching him have the good season he was having the year before he got released. I really thought he had turned it around and would have a bright future as a Jaguar. But as the saying goes: Seasons change, but people don’t. Or something like that.

by kjones407 on Jun 14, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Yezzir

He sure was one of my faves. Personally i thought he was pretty misunderstood during his time here, i feel the same way about Leftwich.

He kind of defined a short era of Jaguars football. Wasn’t necessarily a great era, but it was an awesome one. And for that he’ll always be one of my favorite Jags of all time.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 15, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions

The guy couldn't cut with the bengals

c’mon people..lol

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jun 13, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions

cut it*

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jun 13, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I remember

During Pryor’s freshman year he split out at receiver during Ohio State’s BCS game against Texas. Todd Boeckman lobbed up a pass to him and he mossed who I believe was one of Texas’ cover corners. If he is willing to work he definitely has the ability and skill set to be a receiver.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Jun 11, 2011 11:45 PM EDT reply actions

I don't think Gene Smith wants players who disregard rules for their own personal gain.

Why don’t we get that yet?

by Conservative on Jun 13, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions

Yeah, I'm surprised it took so long for someone to mention this.

This player does not make it on to Gene’s radar at any pick.

by zoxitic on Jun 15, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions

You can't real call those things that the NCAA has "rules"..

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jun 15, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I think all the athletes take what they're given for free

Pretty much everyone in this world does. Pryor was offered more than all the others by virtue of his status and profile. To me his indescretions were a lot less serious and harmful to others than Newton’s. Camera man went first overall in the draft and will be rewarded with multi millions while taking a lot more under the table payoffs than Pryor did. Where is the justice?

by robert ethan on Jun 15, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions