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Jaguars Offensive Line and Sacks

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Depending on who you talk to about the Jacksonville Jaguars, you'll get multiple opinions on the state of their offensive line. There are some that feel it's a big liability in the passing game while others think it's perfectly fine and getting better (me). You'll be hard pressed to find someone who'll argue against the line's rush blocking prowess, however.

Over all, the Jaguars allowed 38 sacks in 2011, four less than in 2010. So who gave up how many sacks?

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According to STATS, Inc., the offensive lineman who gave up the most sacks was left tackle Eugene Monroe with 6.5 sacks allowed. While some will bellow about his inconsistency and his lack of pression, it's worth noting he had a game he gave up 2 sacks to Trent Cole. Overall that day, he played poorly. Monroe was also called for 4 false starts and 3 holding calls, both up from his rookie season. I wouldn't think it a growing concern, however. In the AFC South, Monroe gets to face some of the NFL's best pass rushers in 6 of the 16 games. Against Dwight Freeney, Mario Williams, and Jason Babin, Monroe gave up only 0.5 sacks combined in the 6 games in 2010.

After Monroe, Jaguars guard Uche Nwaneri gave up the most sacks with 3.5 allowed, up from 1.5 in 2009. Nwaneri was called for just a single false start, but overall his play was up to par with what it's been. Jaguars right tackle, Eben Britton gave up 3.0 sacks in just 7 games before he went down with an injury. In 2009, his rookie year, Britton gave up 5.0 sacks in 15 games. While the trend in 2010 would lead to believe Britton would have given up more sacks in 2010 than 2009, I'd attribute that to the fact that he went through the entire pre-season and first half of the year with nagging leg injuries before going down with his shoulder.

Back on the interior, center Brad Meester gave up just 1.5 sacks but was called for holding 2 times and for 1 false start. Meester is on the "ageless wonder" kick, and I keep wondering when his play is going to just fall off a cliff. I expect him back in 2011, but I'm weary if he'll remain the starter the entire season. At the other interior spot, guard Vince Manuwai gave up just 1 sack and was called for 1 false start in his 11 starts. The starter prior to Manuwai, Justin Smiley, gave up 2 sacks in his 5 starts and was called for 3 false starts and a single holding call.

I was unable to find information for Jordan Black, because he's not on a roster and not listed. Guy Whimper and Kevin Haslam both gave up 1 sack in their respective mop up duties.

Not accounting for Jordan Black, that's 19.5 of the 38 total sacks the Jaguars had in 2010. I'd guess Black gave up 3-5 sacks at the right tackle spot, so we'll say 22.5 of the 38 (60%) total sacks. The other 15.5 sacks are unaccounted for. I assume these are the result of scrambles netting a loss of yardage, scrambles out of bounds for a loss, quarterbacks holding the ball, and/or running backs/tightends allowing a few sacks.

Even I was a bit surprised that the sacks attributed to the offensive lineman was only about 60%, despite how often I complain David Garrard tends to hold on to the ball.

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What would make this more interesting to me is

to pick a couple QBs and compare their unaccounted sack ratio’s to DG’s. I would guess any statue QB will look much better than any mobile QB, but it would be an interesting comparison.

by Conservative on Jul 1, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I can't remember what the source was,

but on a sports radio show one morning in the last year, they addressed the time DG “holds the ball” and he was actually pretty good – like top 10 at getting it out before 2.8sec if my memory serves me correctly.

by Conservative on Jul 1, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's because

we’re a run first team and when he threw more passes than that, it was because he had to because they were losing.

When you’re losing he has to hold onto the ball longer than he’d prefer because you don’t come from behind throwing the ball away when your receivers can’t get open.

Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011

by pksiv on Jul 1, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

or when they do get open you throw it over or behind them

Watch that bomb to Hill in the Oakland game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyNEOUUYovE

Hill made Garrard look damn good on that play. He still has a problem with the concept of small windows.

by Joe Fisher on Jul 1, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow you're really going to find fault with that pass ?

Hill had been with the team for less than a month so how many times do you think they had actually practiced this play ?

Timing is everything on a 50+ yard throw and the fact that he was able to catch the ball without having to leave his feet makes it a good pass. I mean, may Hill took the route too far inside. Maybe it was really windy. Maybe it was just off by a little bit but it was still a very catchable ball for an NFL receiver and was caught.

Do Colts fans bitch about Manning’s TD passes when his receivers are regularly making circus catches to bail him out ?

Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011

by pksiv on Jul 1, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I could find fault with a lot of passes...

point is, you make the comment that the receivers can’t get open. I contend they do, but he tends to wait til the moment they get open to throw it vice having it there when they get to a spot.

A quick release is great, but it still takes a second or 2 for the ball to get to its target.

by Joe Fisher on Jul 1, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would contend

that you can only throw timing passes in advance if you have some faith that the receiver is going to be there when the ball arrives and not the DB. Our WR’s the past 4 years haven’t been the type you could exactly count on.

Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011

by pksiv on Jul 1, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

it’s not that simple. Passing in the NFL is complicated and relies on many things all working perfectly together. Not just a this or that call.

I remember a couple years ago watching one of those NFL breakdown shows and they showed a play that the Colts ran in the red-zone many times with success. However on this day, from inside the 5, the Colts were having big problems blocking the rush so they kept Dallas Clark in the backfield to help out. This left the safety free to roam and he jumped the WR route and picked off the pass. The play was designed for Clark to occupy the safety and it was practically unstoppable. When he wasn’t there it was an interception in the end zone.

Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011

by pksiv on Jul 1, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

A perfect

example of not being able to trust your receivers was in the Monday night game against the Titans when Garrard let go of the ball and Underwood never made his break.

by Ewdtrey on Jul 1, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly the point I was making

of course the haters will say that David should’ve thrown it deeper and he was open… but the way you phrased your reply makes me believe that you’re fairly certain that Underwood ran the wrong route?

Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011

by pksiv on Jul 1, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

he totally ran the wrong route. They had two deep safeties, which means he should have crossed the safeties face, especially if the S is in his backpedal that late.

by Ewdtrey on Jul 1, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Garrard can't throw an accurate deep ball.

I said it. What?

It’s funny cause it’s TRUE.

WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?

by BIBBEE on Jul 1, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize

that Hill actually made the catch harder than it had to be. If you’ve ever played receiver you would know that he could have run his stemmed his route more vertically. You’re either a hater or you just flat don’t know what you’re talking about.

by Ewdtrey on Jul 1, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nobody is trying to say he is perfect

but you used an video example that actually shows the opposite of what you were trying to show. Jason Hill nearly overran a very well thrown ball.

Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011

by pksiv on Jul 1, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

HERRRRRRRRRRRRE I COME TO SAVE THE DAYYYYYYYYYY!

pksiv is David Garrard’s mighty mouse.

WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?

by BIBBEE on Jul 1, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

To answer your question, a good bit of the blame should be on (I think it was) Manuwai for not even slowing down the rush on that play. DG should have never been in that situation, but DG could have made a better decision since it was not 4th down.

I can’t believe we were discussing a nice TD pass and catch and you follow it up with the OT INT and say “someone elses fault too?” What was anyone at fault for on the TD pass? For making it not look pretty? It was a great TD pass and catch. Hill made a slight error in angle, but then recovered with a great catch and we are asking who is at fault? Human nature is so sad.

by Conservative on Jul 1, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You missed the reason for my post

Selective reading is a wonderful thing. I responded because someone said the receivers can’t get open.

Sheesh!

by Joe Fisher on Jul 1, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what is selective about my reading.

Ewdtrey said Hill could/should have run more vertical on his route to the ball and it would have been an easier catch. You replied with “was the OT interception against the Redskins someone elses fault too?” What did I miss?

by Conservative on Jul 1, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That INT

was almost entirely on Garrard’s shoulder’s. Manuwai had a hand in it yes because he either didn’t know what was going on or just flat out got lazy and didn’t keep his feet moving. BUT, I wouldn’t say the loss primarily on his shoulders.

by Ewdtrey on Jul 1, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

for what it's worth I'd have taken the sack.

But the way our special teams played that day, Podlesh probably would have shanked a 10 yard punt.

by Joe Fisher on Jul 1, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

So… You opt to lose yardage and time off the clock..?

by Alfie Crow on Jul 1, 2011 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Of course not

no QB ever holds on to the ball expecting to get sacked. They’re trying to make something happen. If he consistently threw the ball away in games they were losing you’d be writing articles about him having happy feet and throwing the ball away too soon.

It’s a team game. But I understand it’s easier to blame the QB for everything.

Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011

by pksiv on Jul 1, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hyperbole is also an easy cop out.

Is anyone blaming Garrard for everything here? Sheesh.

For someone who “acknowledges” he’s average, you’re rather sensitive to criticism of him and quick to trivialize it away…

by Alfie Crow on Jul 1, 2011 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And your statements always

support the idea that it’s nobody’s fault but the QB’s.

Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011

by pksiv on Jul 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I had never read that – only heard about it online. That pretty much takes the wind out of the “DG holds the ball too long” argument – does it not?

What is funny is seeing Todd Bouman’s 1 sack right behind DG on that list. David should have said, “whatever you do, don’t hold the ball past 2.54 seconds!” Because evidently when Todd held it for 2.60, he got smashed.

by Conservative on Jul 1, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may actually do this. Good idea.

by Alfie Crow on Jul 1, 2011 9:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

These are all great topics to discuss

especially now with little else to talk about.

But, you can never really pinpoint one aspect of an offense and say that’s the problem. What if they had better WR’s last year… guy who could consistently get off the line and get open ? Maybe then the o-line would’ve been good and Garrard would’ve released the ball quicker.

Manning is a far superior QB but when the lost a couple key receivers he struggled because the replacements couldn’t get open as quickly and that exposed the weaknesses in their O-line.

It’s just like the D-Line and the DB’s. Put more pressure on the QB and the DB’s job gets a lot easier. Nobody can cover forever.

Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011

by pksiv on Jul 1, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

you raise an outstanding point about Manning

The one thing you have to admire about Peyton is that he adapts to adversity. Remember how he had that 3 game slide where he threw like 11 picks, and the Jags were coming off a 3 game win streak at the same time? He adapted even without the luxury of a consistent running game. It bit him in the playoffs, however but they were crap field position away from beating the Jets. And like Marino, that has been Manning’s achilles heel since Edge tore his knee and never regained his form and Addai seemed to take over the injury proned label from him.

However, Manning’s offensive line was a liability coming into the season, but as long as you have a guy like Dallas Clark catching passes and a quick release, QB play can mask a lot of those deficiencies. I truly believe the offensive line will have a similar season to the 2009 Jags. 2 rookie bookends, sounds familiar?

One thing to think about. Jeff Saturday has been a key player in the lockout proceedings. When tied up in courtrooms, board rooms and hotel rooms and flying all over the country and in your late 30s, how long will it take for him to get into game shape? That’s got to take a lot out of anyone, let alone a 14 year veteran with 200 games under his belt.

Great points you make.

by Joe Fisher on Jul 1, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

On another note

The uniforms have really grown on me. Very understated and with the exception of the San Jose Sharks, we’re the only pro team that wears teal well. I would really like to see something different on the road, maybe teal pants because we look like a knock off Ravens squad.

by Joe Fisher on Jul 1, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I found these on PFF

They rank the top and bottom 20 Guards, T&B Centers, and Top 15/Bottom 15 Left/Right tackles.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/14/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-guards-and-centers/
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/

Our G’s and C’s apparently rank in the middle since none of their names are listed. Monroe ranked in the bottom 15 LT’s and Britton ranked in the top 15 RT’s.

Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011

by pksiv on Jul 1, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

the stats prove otherwise. Seriously.

When it comes down to it, you’re not going to be very highly regarded when your turnover ratio is minus 15.

by Joe Fisher on Jul 1, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

to clarify as ALL of my words seem to be used against me

I am not implying that every TO was a direct result of David Garrard.

Just want to put that out t here.

by Joe Fisher on Jul 1, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Good, concise, article, Mr. Crow.
ok. next topic.

Sean

Pax Armis Acquiritur

by cuffs007 on Jul 1, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

It does not matter what ya' say...leadership

I QB/WR relationship is like man/woman relationship… Get the picture?

by ZachBJAGS on Jul 1, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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