Gabbert Getting More Snaps With First Team
Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Blaine Gabbert got the start last week against the New England Patriots in place of quarterback David Garrard, who was nursing a back injury he suffered a week prior. Garrard returned to practice on Sunday, but it seems Blaine Gabbert is still getting quite a bit of snaps with the first unit.
Jaguars rookie QB Blaine Gabbert got some work with the first team during practice Tuesday. He had worked with the starters previously in camp, but this was some of the most extensive work he has gotten with the "ones" since starter David Garrard returned from a back injury.
According to some accounts of practice, Garrard hasn't been particularly sharp since he's returned to practice, either.
The majority of his completions were dump down passes to Maurice Jones-Drew. Other than that, the ball was either underthrown, overthrown, or thrown away. Now let me make it clear; I'm a David Garrard fan. Some of his criticism is well-warranted, but I also think he gets more of it at times than he deserves. But to me, Gabbert has out-shined him this week so far. Garrard told the media the other day that his back is around 90%, so I'm not sure how much that could be playing into his performance. ... But I thought even (Luke) McCown looked better this morning than Garrard did.
This sounds like more of the same in previous weeks of practice. It is entirely possible Garrard's back is still bothering him, which won't allow him to drive the football down the field, but since his return to practice Sunday all accounts are that he's been shaky. It's still up in the air whether or not Garrard plays against the Falcons on Friday. I tend to think he will, but I will be watching him closely this evening against the Atlanta Falcons in practice.
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Jessica Blaylock...
Do you consider this person a reliable source? From what I understand, all she has is a Wordpress blog named Jessica’s Jaguar Journal. She does rep 1010XL, but does she really have the credentials that you would trust her word as a measurer of talent?
I haven’t gotten out to practice this week, so I can’t say if she’s right or wrong.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
She’s not evaluating talent. It’s not hard to tell when someone looks good and someone looks bad. I have no reason to not trust her observations.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 17, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
really?
she does do sideline reporting for the Orlando Magic and Sunshine Network. Is she any less qualified than a contributor to an SB nation Fansite?
She’s just pointing out what she sees. Remember, he is coming off a stiff back as well as surgery on his throwing hand. Her observations, Alfie’s observations, Vito, Lamm, you name it, don’t mean jack! Ultimately none of these folks will lose their job due to Garrard’s performance in practice.
Is there an agenda here?
I genuinely didn't know who she was...
I’m kinda glad you mentioned the contributor thing, tho. That’s kind of what I’m trying to get at here.
How much is my input worth, or that of any sportswriter, local or national? What’s important is what the team is thinking and saying, and so far team officials have consistently said that DG is the starter and he is not in a position that he is likely to lose his job.
If we are thnking about this logically, Gene Smith is not afraid to get rid of big names. When a player has proven not to be the best option at a position, he has been replaced. Gene tells it like it is and doesn’t worry about fan perception. What has Gene said about the QB situation? He’s said that he’s happy with how Gabbert is progressing, but he’s clearly said every time he’s been asked that David Garrard is a good QB and the team’s starter.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It is if he's going to release
or trade Garrard. Or ask him to take a pay cut.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
Step 1 has to happen before Step 2 does
Step one is the COACHES decision as to the depth chart. Step 2 is when it goes to the GM
Does is benefit Gene to say otherwise?
This sounds incredibly naive. C’mon Brian.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 17, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They could be naive, or they could be logical and reasonable.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm seeing it too.
I was at a bar in Seattle watching the Green Bay-Jags game on FOX and there were a few Jags fans there (Silverdale, WA – submariners). Anyway, I noticed JDR’s look of disgust and Byron looking aloof, and I said don’t be shocked if JDR doesn’t destroy this kid’s career to save his own tail.
JDR destroyed Byron's career? Is that what you are saying?
by Conservative on Aug 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a good laugh at that one too
How did he do in Tampa against even less competition than he had in Jacksonville.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
when Byron was cut 2 weeks before the season began, it wasn't like he could pick up the offense in 8 days
Hell Trent Edwards was here for 4 months and never grasped our offense.
He had two other opportunities to start in this league
Tampa and Atlanta (3 if you include when Big Ben had that suspension) and lost ALL of the competitions in training camp.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 17, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is that funny?
(other than the ‘love’ part which were your words not his)
They are two different people – two different QB’s.
by Conservative on Aug 17, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Seriously Brian?
I always liked you as a contributor here, but sounds like either you are a Gabbert hater or Garrard fanboy.
Although i disagree with your opinion of sitting Gabbert if he outplays Garrard on camp and pre-season, i understand what you are talking about and you do have some valid points, but at times you get more than defensive and sounds like having an agenda.
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Has Brian, or anyone for that matter
really stated the opinion that Gabbert sit even if he outplays Garrard during camp and the pre-season ?
I thought Brian’s question was a simple one. He doesn’t know who this girl/woman is and was asking Alfie if she was really a reliable judge of what was happening.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
He knows who she is
I wouldn’t regard her as a football subject matter expert, but she is credentialed media, so she kind of has an obligation to report something or interview someone.
I actually don't know who she is.
now I do.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He has. You were on vacation, I think.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 17, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just a reminder: Preseason means absolutely nothing.
Gabbert’s preseason performance means next to nothing about how he would perform during the regular season. In fact, I’d hardly even consider it if I wasn’t so excited to have football back.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Kindly point where I of anyone said it did?
Why so defensive…? Sheesh.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 17, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're all talking about naming a starting QB...
based on his preseason performance. That is assigning a lot of value to preseason performance.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If he outperforms Garrard during the preseason, then the question must be asked, especially as he's splitting first team reps
which is something the team has not done since I can remember.
so if DG sucks its up all pre season. And maybe he stays just hurt enough to not get any real pre season work. but BG plays well in the pre season. Do you just name DG the game 1 starter cause he is a vet?
Even if it's just a show, you have to show faith in your starter.
Not because he’s a vet, because he’s a starter.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
is he the starter just because he is your VEt? cause he certainly hasnt been looking like a started yet this TC and pre season
Yes.
He is the starter because he is the vet. And the LEADER of the offense.
Even though most fans don’t look up to him, his teammates do. And the coaches trust him.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 17, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
im pretty sure his teammates would rather win then be bestist buddies with DG. im not saying BG will win more games, but at the rate we are going. DG will have little to no practice in the pre season. Nor has he looked all that great when he has been practicing. i dont give a pigs ass who starts as long as it is the guy thats played the best so far this pre season. DG isnt leading this team to squat right now. if he recovers and is able to show the coaches he is the true #1 im down with that. your annointing him the starter cause he is a vet and has led this team to one good season in the last few years is crazy. you sound as if DG is a top tier QB..al la peyton manning who has been out with his injury, and doesnt need the pre season to get into for. hell DG has trouble getting into form from one week to the next. that is over his whole carrer.
Based on the TOTALITY of training camp and preseason. Not today.
If you don’t think that’s possible, I don’t know what to tell you man.
You’re so scared of losing Garrard and Gabbert starting week 1 it’s comical.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 17, 2011 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
It Does to a Detroit Lions Fan
4-0 baby!
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!
by DownTownJax on Aug 17, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, he did...
"Do I need to be liked? Absolutely not! I like to be liked, I enjoy being liked, I have to be liked. But it's not like this compulsive need to be liked...like my need to be praised." Michael Scott
Ok. I stand corrected then.
I just know that in the past I have been seen as a Garrard Fanboy and even I’m not in favor of sitting Gabbert just to sit him. May the best QB Play. Period.
Especially now that we have the luxury of Garrard being a standup guy and do not believe he’d be a problem in the locker room if Gabbert were to win the job. Unlike the last situation where management was fairly confident that Leftwich would’ve been a cancer in the locker if made the backup.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
Garrard won’t be on the team if he loses the job.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 17, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, the straight up irony in this post is hilarious. That’s all I’ll say.
Leftwich a bad locker room guy? If you only knew.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 17, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it seemed to me and still does that the Leftwich deal was JDR asserting himself as being his own guy
and letting Shack twist in the wind. Worked out great the first year, after that… not so much.
Hindsight being 20/20, I can’t help but think Weaver wishes he canned JDR after the 2008 season, but the contract was a son of a gun.
Joe,
Why so much Garrard hate?
He is way better than Leftwich, and should’ve started sooner imo.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 17, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have Garrard hate
At least I don’t think I do. I simply believe we’ve seen the best of David Garrard. The Dallas game was his best game ever.
Again, the argument has long been made that David needs pieces around him to be successful, basically he’s a supplementary quarterback. JDR has said it, Gene Smith has said it, and I believe Wayne Weaver himself has said it. Nothing at all wrong with that, you can’t have 32 elite quarterbacks.
I don’t think Blaine Gabbert is that type of quarterback. I believe Gabbert, once he gains a grasp and execution of Dirk Koetter’s playbook will be the type of qb who makes players around him better.
Wish you would elaborate on the irony.
The only reason I’ve defended DG in the past is because the team hasn’t had anyone better available. They still may not, we don’t yet know. But I’ve been consistent in saying that, and I feel this way for every position, as soon as there’s someone better available, he should play.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
The irony is the belief that Leftwich was/would have been a locker room cancer and Garrard is some fantastic locker room guy.
They're both good guys
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not.
If you don’t want to believe me, then don’t.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, what the hell is your problem?
I even qualified the query so I would not get a douche response. Obviously did not work.
Can't communicate inflection on the internet.
I meant that as a genuine statement. I am not credentialed media. That was not meant to be snappy, just matter of fact.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
For that to be ironic, the opposite would have to be true.
Leftwich never had the chance to become a cancer, so there can be no evidence to support or deny that claim.
What evidence do we have that Garrard is not a fantastic locker room guy?
by Conservative on Aug 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no evidence, and I didn't say it was ironic. You did.
by Conservative on Aug 17, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't. I am asking you to explain why it is ironic as YOU stated.
by Conservative on Aug 17, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not at liberty to elaborate. That’s why I said “That’s all I’ll say”.
Pick up the hint I’m putting down.
Oh, I picked it up.
I just wanted to watch you dance a little bit.
by Conservative on Aug 17, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I was so hungover at my wedding I didn't even drink.
the whole wedding video is me looking ready to puke or looking down my wife’s dress.
Catholic wedding too. Kneel sit stand kneel sit stand. At the reception the priest was drinking Guinness out of a pitcher.
now that would have to BLOW! i had the bar open before during and after the ceremony..all the people at the wedding thought it was a joke when i got on the Pa and said the bar is open, 3o minutes before we did the ceremony. i had to make a second announcement saying i wasnt kidding..the bar is open lol
I think that's why my friends still talk about my wedding
Open bar, open bar at the rehearsal dinner and after the rehearsal dinner, the bar I used to work at gave me and my buddies an open tab that Friday night til close.
Sausage Croissanwich and a Heinekin do not go good together at 9 AM on a Saturday.
Hey, me and you have something in common. We can build on that. Maybe we can be best buds.
by Conservative on Aug 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
do you guys tailgate before the games? we park in the fair parking lot. usually close to the practice fileds. we get there pretty early
do we tailgate...
See my avatar?
Still debating on the menu for the opener. Few years ago I did a low country boil for the opener, had a buddy bring some crawfish and shrimp from the Gulf. May be too hot for that though.
Maybe fajitas or steamed clams and roasted oysters.
lol..well i figured you did tailgate..never know if the pic was a usual or isolated occurance. where do you guys set up? we will be down at like 430 friday.
Not going Friday
I’ve been busy packing as we’re moving down the road in a week.
Typically, I go to Tailgaters or when my buddy gets the club seats, we park in front of the stadium.
I'm curious as to why most times you're questioned on things
you respond with “I can’t elaborate”.
Who’s telling you that ? What good are you as a news source if someone is filtering what you can say ?
I guess you probably can’t elaborate on that either. :(
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
most folks who have media credentials
can’t divulge the inner workings of a team, you know, that “off the record” stuff. It’s a good way to lose said access.
It’s classified
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
by TheTealDeal on Aug 17, 2011 9:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sorry
but I never believed that Byron would’ve handled being benched very well and I do think he would’ve been a locker room cancer.
David has always responded professionally and he’s on record this season as saying that the best QB should play. Sure, their may be an issue if he didn’t feel he was given a fair chance, but if Gabbert clearly plays well enough to take the job, than I honestly don’t think he’d be a problem in the locker room.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
Let’s see 7-9 with Garrard or 5-11/6-10 with Gabbert, giving him 1 yr of valuable exp under his belt? tough choice
yeah.. for real..
We were 8-5 last season with severe QB trouble after Garrard got hurt and with a terrible Defense all year.
What makes you think we will go 7-9 with Garrard this season?
We have a tough schedule, true, but we have a good team and a much improved defense from last year.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 17, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If Garrard gets outplayed or is just injured, Gabbert must start
Even if its bad for his career to be jumping in too early, it has to be done if hes won the job. I also think if Gabbert Starts we are only a 5-6 win team at the most.
Here's where I see it, and maybe I'm drinking the Kool Aid
If Gabbert beats out Garrard, we’re a 5 or 6 win team.
If Garrard holds onto his job, we’re about an 8 or 9 win team who might creep in and win the division as Wildcard is pretty much impossible given the depth in the North and East.
What I’m not getting is people are saying if Gabbert beats him out, why would we lose 3 more games? We’ve all said that Garrard is a game manager at his absolute best but the pieces need to be in place for him to achieve maximum success. Well, the pieces would be in place for Gabbert, the only difference would be…. Blaine Gabbert! With the technology in todays NFL where it is, I don’t see Gabbert crapping all over himself when it counts.
While I don’t think Gabbert should start just yet, there is simply not enough of a sample size to see. The longer Garrard underwhelms in preseason and Gabbert shows a grasp of the offense, then the team is going to be faced with a nice scenario as Gabbert has a higher ceiling than does Garrard.
Thing is, once you make the call to go with Blaine, you cannot go back to David when the going gets tough. If Gabbert wins the job straight up, much like Garrard did over Leftwich 4 years ago, then I will be very interested to see how much of a good teammate David is when asked to take a pay cut. You can’t leave $9M on the bench. I wouldn’t take it very well and the only qb I could think that would and did was Kurt Warner in New York.
People may say
“Garrard is a game manager at his absolute best” but the facts show differently. He has some AMAZING games last year. His problem has always been consistency. Great one week, bad another.
And we all certainly HOPE Gabbert has a higher ceiling that Garrard. But as you say, the sample size is insufficient to be certain of that.
And there’s no reason to ask David to take a pay cut. The team is $28M under the cap.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
nothing destroys a locker room quicker than money
You tell me a bunch of players getting the crap kicked out of them come into the locker room and you see $9M sitting there not even breaking a sweat isn’t gonna give you a case of chapped ass?
Money is what destroyed the locker room in 2008.
Garrard has taken his licks
He gets hit almost twice as often as any other QB over the last 3 years.
The NFL is not about lifetime achievement
If you’re not on the field, you’re taking a pay cut
by Joe Fisher on Aug 17, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously ?
Players ride out contracts all the time
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
how would it look to see an owner crying ticket sales and yet he allows his football operations arm to leave almost $10M on the bench.
I don’t see us doing it. Some other teams do.
If Gabbert wins the job, he’s better right?
Is simply being a rookie really worth a 3-5 game swing in the win column?
by Alfie Crow on Aug 17, 2011 1:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Could be.
Completing impressive passes is different than winning games.
by Ewdtrey on Aug 17, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not satisfied with the status quo
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
by TheTealDeal on Aug 17, 2011 10:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not so sure about that.
I think Gabbert could probably win just as many games if not more. What really helps him is MJD. Now if we had no help at all at TE or RB then sure 5-6 games but you could make a case Garrard would help us win probably around the same number of games.
Thats because this is Gabberts first season, hes a rookie, he couldnt possibly take us to an 8 win season in his rookie year could he ?
Im having my wife click her red heels...naked of course!
and im saying over and over..please let us have the same outcome as the steelers did in 2004..Mattox the vet gets hurt in the 2nd game and Big Ben comes in to go 13-0 in the regular season. I have no idea how much better Pitt was on the O and D compared to this years Jags team. But a guy can wish!
They were incredible on both sides of the ball that year.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Gabbert - Garrard
Has anyone noticed the striking similarities between the two names?
Garrard is a great QB – sometimes. The problem is you never know who’s going to show up week in and week out. If Garrard played well 70-80% of the time we’d be okay, but he doesn’t. One week he looks like a star the next week he looks lost, lacking confidence.
Myself and many other people want tomorrow now. We don’t have the luxury of the Green Bay Packers. Wether its week one or later on, Gabbert will be the starter sometime this year (and we’ll have the greatest backup QB in the league). Del Rio’s job and ticket sales will be riding on him too.
by iodrew on Aug 17, 2011 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I've really tried to stay out of this for the last week or so...
I thought for most of the summer that I was being the voice of reason in saying Gabbert’s a rookie and not likely to earn the starting job. Then I started realizing that I was sort of playing the role of Debbie Downer. However, some perspective is necessary for those that don’t understand where Gabbert is as a player.
Blaine Gabbert has a stronger, more impressive arm than Garrard, yes, but the game is only about 40% physical and 60% mental for QBs. The truth is, Gabbert was playing against the Patriots second team defense. I recognized maybe two names on their D the entire game. He did not lead a TD drive, he got antsy in the pocket after the first time he was hit, he very nearly threw a TERRIBLE interception, right at a defensive player and was lucky the pass was dropped. He needs time to work on ball placement, because passes that should go back shoulder often don’t when he throws them.
Chill with the Gabbert fanaticism. Garrard is the starter for now. People within the Jaguars organization say that without hesitation or second thoughts.
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Agree with most of what you just said.
Am I the only one who thinks that Gabbert’s throwing motion is a little weird looking? He looked awkward to me throwing the ball. I don’t know.
He didn't set his feet much
He was under some pressure, and didn’t really throw like he would have in practice. The ball still looked okay coming out though.
the ball did manage to get to the intended target more often than not
Quite a few throws I saw that I haven’t seen a qb in teal make in quite a while. Now maybe Smith and McCardell made the qbs look better than they were.
I think that's part of playing in a spread offense in college
Didn’t Sam Bradford have the same problems last year? He worked primarily out of the shotgun in college. It will take time for his footwork to become muscle memory and allow him to do his drops without thinking. The guy has only been a pro for about two weeks, and only now has seen one game of (quasi) real action. If he plays much this year I think that will be his main problem (especially if our O-line can’t keep linemen out of his face).
by garrardsfedora on Aug 17, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He felt the pressure in that game.
That’s something that unfortunately needs to be trained out of him. He did the same thing in a few of the later games in the season at Mizzou last year. Coaching will get rid of it with time, but I saw him pulling back on his passes.
I agree with acedarny. It’s impressive that his passes still made it in with some zip.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He felt the pressure because it was real. Our OL stunk as it usually does.
by Conservative on Aug 17, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
O-line looked pathetic.
And our horrible pass rush on the other side of the field made Mallet look like Peyton Manning.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 17, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Gabbert fanaticism...lol...
More like you having an agenda…
If Garrard is the starter, good…if Gabberts is the better player after all practices and pre-season, i wouldn’t sit him just because he’s a rookie. I see you are losing your calm.. Just chill, thee are just opinions, except for 1 or another guy, none’s hating on Garrard and no one is crowning Gabbert.
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a lot of people hate on Garrard
He does have his off games. But his on games are pretty spectacular to watch.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 17, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a difference in saying he’s likely not going to win the job, and flat out refusing to accept it’s possible he can. You’re doing the latter. Anytime it’s even suggested that he could be overtaking Garrard, you swoop in with “but it’s preseason” and “Gene Smith says this” and act like suggesting Gabbert could win the job is ridiculous.
Why don’t you chill with the hyper Garrard defense? Getting excited about a rookie who’s this far along without an offseason isn’t “fanaticism”. Again, no one’s banging drums for Gabbert to be declared the starter right now.
You weren’t a fan of Gabbert pre-draft. You wrote yourself he’d be a bust. You’ve made it a point before you don’t want to lose Garrard and Gabbert shouldn’t start week one no matter what. Chill with calling “fanaticism.”
I'm glad that at least you're finding this comical...
Because I’m not. I’m annoyed by it.
Look: You have been as unsupportive of Garrard as anyone on the site. I’m not attacking you because of that. We all have our bias. I didn’t love Gabbert coming out. I’m trying to see beyond my bias and make an honest analysis of his performance, but then you come back and call ME on bias.
Gabbert will be the starter here. He looks to have a great arm. He also has shown the things that led me to believe he was going to bust (coming from a one-read system, happy feet in the pocket, not great pocket presence, trusts his legs too much at times, etc.). A good coaching staff can train those things out of a QB. Heck, look at what they did with M. Vick in Phili.
Hopefully he comes around, but at this point, Gabbert is maybe 75% prepared to be an NFL quarterback. It makes sense to play Garrard until the team feels Gabbert is ready.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a difference between being “unsupportive” and “critical”. Figure out the difference, then maybe we can talk about bias.
Alfie what’s you’d deal? Why the need to continually attack Brian here. I think he’s back down or back up anything he’s said. So chill.
by thegoodz on Aug 17, 2011 2:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to butt in......
But I think you are both saying the same thing. I believe the team is going to start the QB that gives the Jaguars the best chance to win. I think you both agree with that. The QB with the best ability to get the victory takes into account maturity and readiness to be a starting NFL QB as much as it takes into account arm strength and knowledge of the play book. Brian, Alfie, everyone…..as fans, do we not want the guy that will most help the Jaguars beat the Titans on Sept. 11 on the field? Of course we do, and I don’t care what the team does to determine that over he next three preseason games and the remaining practices, and doubt anyone else does either!
Here’s the thing: Brian doesn’t think Gabbert should start week 1 NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
He doesn’t think it’s possible and doesn’t want it to happen, no matter how things play out.
That, is the difference.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 17, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brian......
Is what Alfie says here the truth? Here is the chance to set the record straight. and Alfie, from your response, I am taking it that you agree with me?
Would you not agree....
that the definition of the guy who should win the job, is the guy who gives your team the best chance to win? I want to through out all the “a guy should sit for a while” crap, and play the man who can do the best job! Thoughts?
I agree....
Brian is that not what you are thinking also? I am not trying to put anyone on the spot, but just think this has gotten a bit out there. It is not a discussion on if we think Blaine can be better, only that if he is he should start, and if he is not, then David should start.
this has been argued for a couple weeks now
Brian wants Garrard as starter because (insert the various reasons). Alfie wants best qb to start. I’m in the best qb start camp
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 17, 2011 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In my opinion, it is not in the team's best interest to start Gabbert week one.
I’m not the one making that decision, and that’s just one man’s opinion.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
so if DG sits out the majority of TC injured, and doesnt get reps. Or sits out most, and is not very sharp when he is in. you would still take DG over BG even if BG has taken most of the reps, and shows progress throughout TC and the pre season games?
Or to take it one step further.....
What if Blaine is just plain better? I can say I would have never thought this could be the case, but I could be wrong, and if I am so be it.
ultimately the coaches are going to go with the guy they feel gives them the best chance to win now
too much at stake for the coaches, GM, and the franchise, etc. to not do so.
I think a team makes that decision....
no matter what the situation in. I do not think any team would not start a rookie if they thought he gave them a better chance to win. The examples of Rogers sitting behind Farve in Green Bay happened because the Packers did not think Rogers gave them a better chance to win then Farve. When they thought he did, they sent Brett down the road. I am sure the Jags will treat this the same way!
Cool
I thought you were implying that there was more at stake with the Jags current situation (tickets sales and keeping the franchise here) than facing other teams, which might be the case. I was just saying that any team, if operated properly, makes that choice no matter what the situation. We are saying the same thing, I just read too much into your comment. Party on…party on!
What about starting him week one bothers you?
I take it even if he is our best chance to win, you still would not start him. I am curious as to why.
I'll warn you, this started a massive flame war the last time we went down this road.
I actually wrote an article explaining my reasoning. I think it’s an interesting read if you’re willing to give it a chance.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I will read it!
Did not want to start a war, just curious, and wanted to see what your thoughts were.
So, you don't like Gabbert.
Well, it’s not that I don’t like Garrard but I remember last year being excited that we got Trent Edwards.
I just want the Jags to win, to have recognition, and to stay in Jacksonville. If Garrard is the guy for that, well then lets see it, David.
Yeah I thought Edwards might be a good pickup too.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
False.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 17, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And let's all remember
it’s not who any of us think has performed better during the preseason that matters. It’s the player the coaches think gives this team a better chance to win.
I seem to remember many fans last preseason thinking guys were outperforming Garrard as well. Let’s just hope both QB’s make it a tough decision because of their exemplary play going forward.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
Garrard wasn’t being outperformed in last pre-season at all, you can’t judge what he was doing in comparison with McCown who was throwing against guys who weren’t even going to be NFL players. The fair judgement would be vs. starters…if Gabbert won’t have the opportunity to perform against first team defenses then i guess there’s nothing to see here, Garrard is the starter and its final.
And i agree with you about coaches evaluation, we can all have our opinion but we gotta trust their evaluation after all.
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was it a fair assessment though?
McCown faced 2nd and 3rd stringers. Here, the team is giving Gabbert the opportunity to go with first stringers with the expectation that Garrard will win out. I like to think I call it like I see it, and if I felt Alfie or Brian or any other person was obviously biased toward one or the other I’d call him on it, but the fact is Gabbert is giving the coaches something to think about, and I don’t see how we as fans can’t be excited about that. All of a sudden, we have a welcome problem.
by Joe Fisher on Aug 17, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying it was fair or not
all I’m saying is that there were people on this site that were saying that Garrard was being outplayed in camp and the preseason.
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2010/8/14/1622592/jacksonville-jaguars-post-game
I’ve already seen some people compliment McCown on his performance, but note that David Garrard isn’t in danger of losing his job. While I realize it is only the first pre-season game and we can’t make too much out of it… but my question is this: Why shouldn’t David Garrard be in danger of his job, especially if this continues?
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
Has anyone else noticed that in every 'action' photograph of Gabbert, his mouth is always open?
In the pics, I can always imagine him yelling while he is releasing the ball. I don’t know if it is an aggressive thing or a scared out of his mind thing.
I just figured it out. I think he is actually about to sneeze. It is from all of the magic fairy dust.
by Conservative on Aug 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s eating an invisible sandwich.

by Alfie Crow on Aug 17, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
aarghhh!!!!
no cat humor, please! This is a football site, damnit! lol.
by garrardsfedora on Aug 17, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shocking.....
most guys that like football like a little pussy now and again too!
by GAJAGFAN on Aug 17, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have a strange feeling that whoever starts we'd be fine.
Simply because we have such a strong running game, Lewis, and although a decent WRs believe it or not.
Garrard is a good quarterback
Do any of you really think he is going 100% in training camp after hurting his back already?
Why would he risk hurting himself again in training camp?
When he plays in preseason games, judge him then.
He is not fighting for the #1 job. He has it. Gabbert and McCown are fighting for the #2.
I want to see Gabbert start too, but lets be honest, he isn’t better than Garrard yet, and he won’t be this preseason. He has a lot of work to do. Maybe later this season we’ll see him take the reigns, and definitely if Garrard gets injured. Til then, enough of this “Gabbert-might-start-week-1” pipedreaming. And yes, all the “let the best QB take the job” is filed under the “Gabbert-might-start-week-1” pipedreaming category.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 17, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
Let's put it this way
It would not shock me at all if Gabbert starts Week 1. It would not shock me at all if Garrard starts all year. It would shock me and probably be a bad sign is McCown starts more than one game this year.
I couldn't be more surprised if I woke up...
with my head sewn to the carpet.
Seriously, though, McCown is not good.
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we are still talking about DG right..this isnt peyton manning that can take the pre season off like last year and have a beeter year than most QBs would dream of. DG has a severe problem with consistancy..not practicing the majority of the pre season with hurt his performance in the early part of the season.
David Garrard is a veteran of the game, and this team’s offense.
Its better for him to rest and get to full strength than to risk hurting himself competing with guys that need to compete in training camp. In preseason games I expect him to perform almost as if it were a real game, for the one or two drives that he does in preseason.
I agree that not practicing will hurt him somewhat as far as getting back into the grove of things, but missing the practices will not hurt him as much as a serious injury, which he already almost sustained.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 17, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
8 years of NFL experience. 4 years leading this offense.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 17, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
continued..
No matter how skilled Gabbert is, there are things that take time to learn in the NFL. Things that Gabbert can learn on or off the field.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 17, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
once we sit garrard
he’s never playing another down for us, so make sure you know when to put the rook in.
Like when was the last time
A rookie QB that only played 3 years in college made his team better than the previous year

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