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Jaguars Training Camp: Quarterbacks Struggle

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The Jacksonville Jaguars got onto the practice field tonight for their final day of full padded practice. It was a nice night outside, not too muggy, and there was a nice crowd out for "Military Appreciation Night." After the usual stretching and a few quick positional drills, the Jaguars lined up for their first 11 x 11 drill, and it set the pace for practice.

On the first play, quarterback David Garrard badly under throws wide receiver Mike Thomas and is picked off by rookie safety Chris Prosinski.

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The Good:

 

  • Undrafted rookie defensive end Odrick Ray was in the backfield all night long. He's listed as a defensive end at about 276 pounds, but he played on the inside at defensive tackle. He was consistently in the backfield on multiple plays. It got to the point to where I was saying, "...and it's number 70 again!"
  • Rookie wide receiver Cecil Shorts continues to impress. I'm not sure I've seen him drop or bobble a pass yet. On one particular play, Blaine Gabbert had to rush his throw and fired to ball to Shorts on the sideline. It was almost like a throw away, but Shorts was close enough to make a play on the ball and make a fantastic catch in bounds, where he almost ran over ESPN's Paul Kurharsky.
  • Running back Rashad Jennings looks big and fast. It would almost be a crime to not see him get some more touches.

The Bad:

 

  • As I mention, David Garrard started off practice with a bad interception, which was foreshadowing for the night to come. Garrard was off much of the night, mostly hitting his check downs in team drills. He threw another interception later on to Don Carey, hitting him right in the chest. I guess he was trying to throw to Jason Hill, but there were three defenders around, so I don't know exactly what he saw.
  • Rooke Blaine Gabbert wasn't that much better. He was picked off by rookie Rod Issac right before Garrard's second interception. Gabbert tried to get the ball to Cecil Shorts, but safety Terrell Whitehead cut off the route and knocked the ball in the air where Shorts was able to grab it. Gabbert also mis-fired high on a few other passes and had a rough 45-second drill. It was probably Gabbert's worst day of practice.
  • Safety Chris Prosinski missed a few more tackles he shouldn't have in practice, and was juked badly enough to do the Superman pose trying to bring down rookie running back Richard Murphy. Later on, Prosinski hurt his knee defending a pass from Luke McCown to Tiquan Underwood, who looked more like he was flailing than trying to catch a ball.
  • John Matthews has got a serious case of the dropsies in camp so far. He dropped another perfect pass from Blaine Gabbert, letting the ball literally just bounce off his chest.
There is no ugly, but the quarterback play was pretty close to qualifying for it.

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hopefully this is just a case of the lockout causing people to be rusty. What was the word on Prosinski coming out of the draft? is it his MO to miss tackles like this?

by abeaugh on Aug 2, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Alfie had mentioned that he missed too many tackles for his liking at Wyoming.

Of course, most of us have only seen the highlight films, which show that he never misses tackles. LOL

by Conservative on Aug 2, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. He’s a big hitter when he’s squared up, but he struggles in the open field. He’s been juked by UDFA RB’s 3-4 times and missed 3-4 tackles already. Not sounding the alarm, just kind of a “eeesh” thing.

by Alfie Crow on Aug 2, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was walking under his own power...

…but he was obviously struggling. I spent the rest of the time of practice watching him and the medical staff as the were testing the knee from various angles. It almost looked like a cross of a bruise, cramp, etc. It did not look like your standard ACL tests that they do. I never saw the test for ‘looseness’ in the knee, but then again it was my vision with the naked eye. Not sure how much that helps, but there ya go.

by Sourwine on Aug 3, 2011 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prosinski

Might need to play SS, (as I’ve said before) because I don’t see the flexibility there for him to play FS at the NFL level

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by floridafalcons#63 on Aug 3, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just thinking out loud here, but

if you are in the open field and are not actually aloud to hit hard or actually tackle, don’t you have to slow up right before impact? In other words, in a non-tackling practice, isn’t the defender at a major disadvantage in the open field since he has to let-up where the runner does not?

by Conservative on Aug 3, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

A bit, but most other guys aren’t seeming to have the same issue.

I mean, you can’t blow guys up, but you can wrap them up.

by Alfie Crow on Aug 3, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's the same problem with Antonio Cromartie

oh. you’re talking on field play. My bad.

Seems like quite a few guys are pressing. That being said, I’m loving what I’m hearing from Shorts. Sounds like this is old hat to him and if he keeps this up, he very well might overtake Dillard. I have heard little about Dillard or Underwood this camp.

by Joe Fisher on Aug 3, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ray odrick getting a rush up the middle?

Ok, now I’m officially worried about the offensive line.

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by Brian Levenson on Aug 3, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s going against 2nd/3rd team OL.

by Alfie Crow on Aug 3, 2011 12:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

phew

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by Brian Levenson on Aug 3, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to nitpick

but his name is actually Odrick Ray.

by Obst on Aug 3, 2011 1:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Whoops. He’s got a first name last and a last name first!

by Alfie Crow on Aug 3, 2011 8:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's what practice is about

I’d rather see them work out the kinks in practice than in a game, but Garrard can’t afford too many poor showings.

by Leethal on Aug 3, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Who is the recievers coach at Mount Union?

If Shorts turns out to be good, they will have 2 guys in the NFL…not bad for a Div # school. They must do a nice job coaching there.

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by JPQ! on Aug 3, 2011 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I was told that I am a Garrard apologist

Seriously, what I’m wondering is if we’re seeing 2007 all over again. Byron had this perceived attitude that I’ll flip the switch when the games count and that obviously pissed off JDR.

That being said, I don’t think it’s in David’s nature to just say hell with it, I’ll take my money and run, but he’s not one of those in your face competitors who will outwardly chew a lineman or receiver for running the wrong route like a Dan Fouts.

by Joe Fisher on Aug 3, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

In some ways, I get that feeling, but I’m waiting until were a few pre-season games in. The way they’re cramming “David’s the guy!” down everyone’s throat at every chance, yet then go say Gabbert will get first team reps… Well if you’re not going to play Gabbert, why let him have first team reps, you know?

Not saying it is 2007 again, but there is this weird dynamic that makes it seem similar.

by Alfie Crow on Aug 3, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

You obviously LOVE Garrard...

how can you argue with all the fantasy data that guy copied from his favorite magazine??? If it isn’t getting fantasy points it doesn’t matter!

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by JPQ! on Aug 3, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's cute and all that you dismiss fantasy football..

But it correlates very well to a QBs abilities on the field. I understand wins is what matters essentially. The fact that we finish around 8-8 every year proves my point that he is not a top tier QB……anyway that you look at it.

by zoxitic on Aug 3, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the fact that we finish 8-8 every year tells me that he's middle of the pack.... which we all knew going in.

So, he must be better than Tony Romo, Schaub, Stafford, Cassell, Fitzpatrick, Tebow/Orton, etc. I mean based on your parameters, right?

by Joe Fisher on Aug 3, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

In other breaking news, the sky is blue.

No kidding. We all know that! You’re providing ridiculous “empirical data” to prove what I would say 99 to 100% of the people on this board already knew. HE IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE AN ELITE QUARTERBACK!!! Now, he’s not as bad as some would have you believe, he’s middle tier, but, again, we already knew that.

I think when the team moved up to draft Gabbert, that was kind of a good indicator. Fortunately (luckily) we were able to get a guy who we feel is the qb of the future for $3M a year vice the Kolb deal (about 5 yrs $65M 22M guaranteed).

If Gabbert flops, we’re not anchored down like we were with Leftwich and some could argue Garrard.

by Joe Fisher on Aug 3, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

is is why I loathe fantasy football.

This guy and his ilk start viewing the game through the skewed lens of “fantasy stats”. There are myriad events that occur during the game that are not quantified by “fantasy numbers”. To state categorically that a QB falls into this tier or that tier based soley on his “fantasy numbers” is nonsensical.
I’m not a “top tier” killer just because I kill a lot of people in WoW.

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by JPQ! on Aug 3, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

That being said...

I am not saying Garrard is a top QB.

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by JPQ! on Aug 3, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

it is called fantasy for a reason!

by chrisltr22c on Aug 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I all honesty, I feel like he’s pressing. Some of the INT’s he’s thrown are similar to things we’ve seen at the end of games. The first INT he threw trying to hit Mike Thomas, as soon as Prosinski picked it off, that final play of the Colts game flashed in my head.

I don’t know if he feels the pressure from Gabbert after Gabbert throws some pretty downfield passes or what, but to me it looks like he’s pressing and trying to make things happen.

by Alfie Crow on Aug 3, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

“that final play of the Colts game flashed in my head”

Does this happen often? May I suggest counseling? ;>)

by Conservative on Aug 3, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I remember...

DG got hit on that play as he let the ball go….or am I just blinded by my so called love for him?

by GAJAGFAN on Aug 3, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Garrard said he was hit, but he wasn’t.

by Alfie Crow on Aug 3, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a play where all he needed to do was either take the sack or launch it in the stands

Our defense was playing really well at that point of the game and Grossman remembered he was Grossman, and all we needed was to play the field position game.

by Joe Fisher on Aug 3, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I ma not so sure....

I admit that this is bad video….but I could not prove he was or was not hit before the ball left. That being said, the hit did come right from his front, so he should have seen it coming, and not risked the pass. For what it’s worth:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81d367cf/Garrard-gives-it-away

by GAJAGFAN on Aug 3, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He clearly just chucked the ball into the air. He wasn’t hit to the effect that it changed the trajectory of the ball. The defender was getting to him and he just chucked it up.

by Alfie Crow on Aug 3, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why should these guys be rusty?

Weren’t they getting together and having “player led workouts” all through the lockout? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! What a load of garbage that was.

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by JPQ! on Aug 3, 2011 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Those were really just a show for the media in my mind. Nothing except nothing was accomplished at those “workouts”

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by Bestjagfan on Aug 3, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Me and my buddies get together and shoot hoops or toss a lacrosse ball around…don’t mean we’re ready for pro camp.

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by JPQ! on Aug 3, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guys... It's camp.

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by Brian Levenson on Aug 3, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

True, but habits (good and bad) get developed in camp

What were the main stories last year?

Marcedes Lewis breaking through, young defensive line, and no one in the secondary really stepping up and wanting the starting job.

Those issues played out through the regular season like a mother.

by Joe Fisher on Aug 3, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, after all the lockout time...

we are all ravenous for any information about the Jaguars. I think we all realize its only the first week, but just being able to discuss play on the field is exciting.

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by JPQ! on Aug 3, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely prefer the Good, Bad, and Ugly...

to the boring legal jargon of the lockout that we had to read for 4 months.

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by JPQ! on Aug 3, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

No question.

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by Brian Levenson on Aug 3, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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