No one wants the Jaguars quarterback job, apparently.
Entering the game against the Atlanta Falcons, the Jacksonville Jaguars were expecting to get a good look into the quarterback competition between veteran David Garrard and rookie Blaine Gabbert. Garrard was getting his first set of action in the preseason and it was thought that a good showing by him could squash some of the talk of Gabbert breathing down his neck.
Unfortunately for Garrard, he did nothing to quiet it but on the other hand Gabbert did nothing to make it louder.
Garrard opened the first drive of the game with a quick slant to receiver Jason Hill, followed up by a deep incomplete pass to Mike Thomas. Thomas had single coverage on the play, but he was blanketed and luckily the ball was batted to the ground. A few plays later, Garrard connected with Mike Thomas on a 24 yard pass, with pressure in Garrard's face. The next play however, was a bad bad throw for David Garrard. Garrard launched the football down field to Mike Thomas again, but the ball wasn't even close and got picked off by Brent Grimes."We got the right coverage it's a simple tech-4 and the safety came down hard and my job is to throw it 3 yards inside the hash and trust that my WR is going to be there with the coverage they had with the corner, he was a little high." Garrard said of the throw. "That's just a situation where the WR right there, if he feels like if it's a ball that he might not be able to catch, he just has to go knock it down if anything. I can help Mike by not throwing the ball up for him but we want to take shots," added Garrard.
Maybe it's just me, but that sure sounds like David Garrard is blaming Mike Thomas for a badly overthrown ball. There was no possible way Mike Thomas could have knocked it down.
On Garrard's next drive, he was able to move the football down the field and get in the redzone, but the team couldn't get in. Garrard missed Marcedes Lewis in the middle of the field on a pass that linebacker Sean Weatherspoon got his hands on. Two plays later, Garrard sailed a pass over Lewis in the endzone. If Garrard needed a strong showing to fend off Gabbert, he didn't do it.
Blaine Gabbert on the other hand didn't do a whole lot to really make up ground. The game worked out ironically enough that Garrard had left the door wide open for Gabbert to come in with the first unit and take the job by the throat. Instead, he went 3-and-out. To Gabbert's credit though, he made a beautiful fade pass to runningback Richard Murphy but he couldn't haul it in. The night went kind of like that for Gabbert. He'd leave the pocket too early at times, he took a sack he didn't need to. He missed some receivers when they were open. Until the second half, Gabbert struggled to move the football. He was able to lead a drive down the field, but it was stopped dead in it's tracks when Tiquan Underwood dropped what would have been a sure first down on third and 12.
Gabbert was given the ball right back after a muffed kick off that the Jaguars recovered, which was essentially where the drive would have continued if Underwood could catch. Gabbert missed Murphy on a pass, then dumped the ball off to Greg Ellingson for a short game to settle for another field goal. There wasn't really anyone open, but I'd have liked to see Gabbert take a shot in the endzone on both his pass attempts in that situation.
The only quarterback who looked like he wanted to win the starting job was Luke McCown, who came right in and led a long drive for a touchdown to seal the victory.
All in all, it was a wash for Garrard and Gabbert as far as the competition goes. In my opinion, it will be the same scenario next week: Garrard will need a good outing against the Buffalo Bills to fend off the rookie.
Atlanta Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson, who's played against David Garrard quite a bit had this to say after the game about the quarterbacks, "Garrard does what he does and that's to manage football games. He lets the plays come to him. He plays within the system and is a very good field manager." Robinson added about rookie Blaine Gabbert, "Gabbert can make every single throw. His future is very bright. I think he's going to be a very good quarterback in this league."
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“There were times tonight where I played fast, but there were times tonight when I was thinking. And I know that, the coaches know that and that just comes with experience. [It] comes with being in the offense more than just a couple days of training camp…”
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So whats Garrard's excuse?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Preseason doesn't matter.
He’s proven he can be a starting QB when he was a starting QB for the last 5 years.
Also Gabbert’s wasn’t an excuse. It was just explaining that certain things can be learned off the field that are necessary for him to perform well.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the preseason should be the ultimate decider
after all it’s the preseason. There’s really no game planning, key guys on the opposing teams are always being held out, etc. When it boils down to it David has succeeded in reg. season and with a better supporting cast can get this team to the playoffs.
by duuuvaaalll on Aug 20, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have you been watching the preseason this year?
I can’t recall seeing such an intense preseason in a long time.
Well if I know Garrard
After a so-so performance this week… he’ll go throw three touchdowns next week against buffallo on three drives. That is if Underwood doesnt drop one
And I have solved our QB problems. When Garrard has his crap games… put Gabbert in. When Garrard has his good games. Leave him in…. I smell a championship.
That being said. If our offense can replicate last years performance and our defense plays like it did tonight then i think playoffs are a real possiblity. That being said… those are some big IFS.
totally agree with you on everything
i thought garrard looked definitely better than gabbert tonight. it was his first real action so he has to get some rust off. the INT was just a miscommunication/MT gave up running to the ball so its not entirely DGs fault. I was impressed by David at times, and never was by gabbert IDK where everyone is saying gabbert might take the starting job…hes soooo not ready.
Deep balls are the weak part of Garrard's game
I was surprised to see him put it up there early in the first quarter. It’s preseason, so he might as well, but I doubt he’d be throwing deep balls like that in the regular season. I liked seeing DG move his feet in the pocket. He’s great at avoiding pressure and finding the open guy. He missed a few passes tonight tho. Didn’t have FULL CONSISTENCY.
Gabbert was not very effective with his first half reps. Those were with the first team offense from what I could tell in the stands, btw. He bounced a pass on his first drive that would’ve been a nice 15 yard gain or so. Once the third quarter rolled in, he looked better. Made a real nice throw to Inman for 20 yards or so.
Personally, I thought the ball he threw to Murphy was ill-advised. Didn’t look like Murphy was a second or 3rd read, but the RB was trailed by a LB and had a safety over the top. Risky pass. Would’ve been real pretty if Murphy had caught it, but it would’ve looked dumber than that if the defender had made a play.
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There was no possible way the defender could have made a play on it without causing interference. It was dropped in right on target.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 1:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and alfie you obviously didnt see the safety come right in and almost pick it off....
terrible read by gabbert.i thought garrard looked definitely better than gabbert tonight. it was his first real action so he has to get some rust off. the INT was just a miscommunication/MT gave up running to the ball so its not entirely DGs fault. I was impressed by David at times, and never was by gabbert IDK where everyone is saying gabbert might take the starting job…hes soooo not ready.
I disagree
I feel like alot of people give alfie too much crap for the whole garrard gabbert thing. I think it might be a little bit of a stretch to say that there was NO way a defender could make a play on it… but it could have gone for a big play. If murphy catches that not only is it a first down but i believe it could have been off to the races
Seriously?
The int was 100% Garrard’s fault. Miscommunication made him overshoot Thomas by 10 yards?
C’mon.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 9:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah. The INT was definitely overthrown or thrown too early and to a guarded receiver. You only make that pass if the receiver is behind the safeties.
I think the Garrard quote in the article though was talking about his first missed M80 pass not the INT though?
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 20, 2011 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It was talking about the interception.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 10:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
After that quote Garrard said
The coaches wanted him to take shots and he “was sure” that Mike Thomas didn’t mind Garrard throwing the ball his way.
Seriously tho, what’s a guy who to the media is now in a QB competition supposed to say “Yeah, I threw a terrible pass. It was a bad decision on my part, but it’s only preseason so the coaches don’t mind”? That’d send media ppl into a frenzy.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Is he really thinking about the media that much?
Not a good sign for a QB
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
The safety did get a hand on it which stopped Murphy’s catch.
I mean, it was still a catchable ball, but the guy is an RB not a WR.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 20, 2011 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Given your track record in a short period of time, you have a bias similar to that of a wrestling commentator
What I saw last night from the tv screen was that Gabbert reverted to college habits and did not “see the plays through” where he kind of gave up on his line a few times. His line was also getting whipped at times, but that was no excuse early. What I saw from Garrard was the same damn thing I’ve seen since 2008. Some good, some bad, but all in the same game. The bomb to Thomas was a horrible decision, one of those “senior moments” that I referred to the other day. And Brian, until Gabbert develops these bad habits as a pro, this is one area where Garrard will always warrant justifiable criticism. A $60 million dollar quarterback does not make the same damn boneheaded play so frequently.
Gabbert was bordering on uncomfortable but made a few good plays (a couple of bad ones) and made some plays you’d expect a rookie with a few weeks in camp and no preseason to make. Garrard, to me, looked like a guy who knows that for the first time, there is a real threat to his job. Never showed it with Quinn Gray when they were battling for 2nd string behind Leftwich.
I expected Gabbert to press. I hoped Garrard wouldn’t, but he did.
Agree
Garrard had some bad decisions/throws and some good ones. He looked like the Garrard of old who was trying to prove he could throw a long ball..
Gabbert is making the typical rookie mistakes and is looking uncomfortable in the pocket, but man, you can really see his upside. He’s got one heck of a strong arm and release, and I liked watching the perfect placed floater to Murphy. Even though there were 2 defenders there, he still placed it well in a tight spot and read the defenders weren’t looking. It shows he isn’t a 1 trick pony.
Gabbert’s ceiling is way up there. I think we’ll see leaps of improvement with every game
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 20, 2011 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's his first preseason game,
Why wouldn’t Garrard throw crazy passes and make mistakes? Get it out of your system now when it doesn’t matter.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
If he hits that pass, Gabbert supporters shut up. If he misses, (which he obviously did) he says to the coaches “you wanted me to take some shots, so I took em. Won’t happen again, sir.” and they already know from prior experience that Garrard does not make a habit of overthrowing guys 50 yards downfield. He doesn’t even usually throw 50 yards downfield, which is why I said I thought it was odd.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
for $60 million, this is a weakness that should be rectified
but he makes the same play quite often. Overthrew M80 by 5 yards then overthrew Lewis by about 3 feet on an easy play, for a veteran who has seen this millions of times.
Neither of them even saw it coming
The pass was good, Murphy just has to catch it
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly?
To be honest, I think Garrard looked much better then Gabbert, However if we are talking about performance at the QB position, then why oh why isnt Mcown mentioned? Mcown by far had the best performance of the 3, and yet all everyone ever talks about is gabbert or garrard? if this game is truly about winning, I think that Mcown has to be mentioned as a possible starter. If I had to rate all the QB performances tonight? I would say it would be Mcown, Garrard, and Gabbert. Lets face facts, Gabbert looked terrible tonight, and yet at halftime, all I could hear people talking about was “sunshine”(especially the younger women) Gabbert looked like he was playing was to slow, which is normal for a rookie(IMO) his passes were behind the WR’s, or overthrown-period. On a side note, how about that Underwood? he caught a damn ball!!!!!! and Cecil Shorts? he is going to be a star, watch out M80, your #1 WR job is in jeopardy-GO Jags!!!!
Much better?
Sorry but no…he threw 2 picks, that one in the end zone was dropped by the receiver, it passed right through his hands. In my view, he ended up just moving the chains a little better. Both had bad performances.
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Sorry, dropped by the defender.
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zunk is right
i thought garrard looked definitely better than gabbert tonight. it was his first real action so he has to get some rust off. the INT was just a miscommunication/MT gave up running to the ball so its not entirely DGs fault. I was impressed by David at times, and never was by gabbert IDK where everyone is saying gabbert might take the starting job…hes soooo not ready.
by UCLAllDay on Aug 20, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you really have to cut and paste
Do you really have to cut and paste your response to every post here. We get it you think Garrad is better and Gabbert is sooooooooo not ready. Once was enough, really.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Aug 20, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't even get me started with this Underwood guy.
About Garrard and Gabbert.. i agree with you Alfie, this “controversy” was starting to get some hype and we at least could agree that was a “good side” controversy, and game comes and both them play kinda bad…not horrible, Garrard had worse pre season games. But if this is an open competition, it’s still open with advantages for Garrard i guess.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
That pass he dropped for the first down was awful.
They should’ve told him tp pack up his locker then and there.
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No one wants the Job?
Did you miss Mcowns performance? He aint sunshine, and he isnt the incumbent, but hey he seriously looked better then both the other two, he was fast getting the ball out, and his fake down by the endzone, was amazing, and got us a damn TOUCHDOWN!!!!
McCown isn’t going to start. It will be either Garrard or Gabbert.
Also, I believe I wrote: “The only quarterback who looked like he wanted to win the starting job was Luke McCown”
That wasn’t a fake, it was a botched play that worked out.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 2:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it was a fake
I sit in the corner of that endzone. Happened right infront of me. McCown just stumbeled a bit which made it look sloppy.
Mccown was also going
Against the 3rd string team. While he did look good, he also didnt have any costly drops. Not to mention the touchdown was on a trick play.
I think its a bit of a stretch of the imagination to say Mccown played AMAZING. He played great… absolutely, but this is the case of the whole Mallet phenomenon. A decent QB with time against a young weak defense = a field day
let's not forget that in the second half of the game Gabbert was playing against
those same scrubs youre talking about. And although Alfie is right that there is no way McCown will get the starting QB job, McCown clearly outplayed Gabbert against the same level of opposition in the second half. Gabbert is a rookie though and has the potential and ability to be the starting QB should he improve. For this game though Alfie summarized it clearly, Garrard didnt do anything to quiet the critics and Gabbert did nothing to solidify his chances to overtake Garrard.
Yeha!!! LUKE MCGOWEN 4 PREZIDENT!!!!
Lol…
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised...
At how many people thought ‘’Garrard definitely looked better than Gabbert’‘. To me, Alfie said it best, Garrard didn’t do anything to seperate himself, and Gabbert did nothing to grasp hold of the starting position. I’m not saying Gabbert looked great, but to say that Garrard was definitely better is a good stretch.
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Personally
I thought the offense stalled once Gabbert came in. Garrard certainly didn’t do anything spectacular in terms of passing, but the chains were moving easily enough. Once Gabbert took over, we started to seriously struggle to stay on the field. Sure, there were some drops which didn’t help his cause….. and he did make some nice passes, but overall I thought Blaine wasn’t quite getting things going. His inexperience was obvious…. as was his potential.
by KeithG on Aug 20, 2011 3:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
great way to put it
Barring injury or an uncurable case of the yips, I think the qb position in Jax will be in good hands once Gabbert gets in there full time.
Gabbert didn't look comfortable, but he didn't look like he was incompetent
He needs time. Did anyone think he was going to come into the NFL and immediately be the next Tom Brady? No. He hasn’t fallen on his face, though. I think he has promise.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I don’t mean to bust your balls (and you might not even mean it this way), but why do I keep seeing people refer to “the next Tom Brady” when talking about Gabbert coming out in his rookie season and being amazing? Tom Brady didn’t take over for Bledsoe until he was hurt in week 2 of Brady’s second season. No quarterback has ever been amazing in their rookie year. Even Peyton had a sub-80 rating in his rookie year.
His rating was still sub-80
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Call me crazy, but I'll take 13-0 100 times out of 100 vice an 80 qb rating.
Sanchez has been to the AFC Championship game twice in his first 2 years despite playing up and down. You know what? I think we’d take that over what we’ve endured since 1999 AND not a damn person would be talking relocation.
And what percentage of the three seasons in question were due to Rothlisberger and Sanchez?
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I was saying that his play was still that of a rookie
not commenting on the record, which I think we can all agree had much more to do with the running game and that outstanding defense
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If Luke McCown was the QB
The Steelers still would have gone 13-0 that year.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
Quantify that, please.
We can all throw out ridiculous hyperbole, but at least be able to quantify it with something.
They had 2400 rushing yards that year, a receiving corps of Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress and Antwaan Randle El all in their primes, and, oh yeah, possibly the greatest defense of the entire 2000s to back him up.
As long as a QB didn’t screw the pooch, they were gonna have a great season.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
then why didn't they do jack with Maddox before that?
surely everyone didn’t just figure it out that year.
Hmmmmm
Sounds similar to the Jags ‘07 season. Great rushing, great D, and as long as the QB didn’t totally suck it up, they would be ok. But so many people try to point out ‘07 as the reason Garrard could possibly lead us to the superbowl. Sounds like he rode the wave of a great team, and now he can’t do that anymore.
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I wouldn't
Call the ’07 team a “great” team. Got hot at the right time? Sure. Partly took advantage of a window that was about to slam shut? Yea
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Doubtful...
Roethlisberger won NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. McCown, who was drafted in the same draft, started 4 games for the Browns and was traded to the Buccaneers at the following year’s draft.
McCown is not starting material in the NFL. Browns and Bucs both tried it – no dice.
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Manning threw 28 Ints his rookie year. (Another kinda interesting stat: he’s only thrown less than 10 Ints once in a season).
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 20, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Another kinda interesting stat: he’s only thrown less than 10 Ints once in a season)./blockquote>
When you throw the ball 550-650 times a year, its bound to happen.
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Or just...
Our 2nd string guys are not as good as Atlantas 2nd string players.
BG had only Shorts as something close to a good WR, and that guy is a rookie too. Binns wasn’t bad, but still….
And on that sack BG took, it came right through the middle tnx to our OL Moll, what could he have done?
At this point......
I think the controversy, and competition is over. I went into the game last night with a very open mind. I have preached all week “let the best man win” the starting job. From what I watched at the Bank last night, that man is David Garrard. Two preseason games to go, and a few weeks of practice, so I guess it is not a done deal. Looking forward to watching how this plays out, but at this point, my money is on David!
Gabbert's job to lose??
This is my thought process, if Gabbert was pushing David going into the game, and Garrard laid an egg but Gabbert didn’t do much to show he was much better than David, why not roll the dice and go with Gabbert. I mean it sounds like there wasn’t much difference between the two, and this will eventually be Blaine Gabbert’s team so let him start.
The way Gabbert has picked up the offense which is, allegedly, quicker than the coaching staff thought he would. We’ve been talking about how this is Garrard’s job to lose but I’m wondering if we’re all looking at it wrong and it’s actually Gabbert’s job to lose since everyone seems to say right now there’s not much difference between the two gameplay wise. And if they’re so similar right now, maybe they should go with Gabbert since he at least has more room to improve than Garrard does.
"sounds like" - Did you not see the game?
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope. I'm overseas
They aired the game over here that was not compatable with my sleep. So I have to rely on sounds like and what I saw on ESPN today.
Wow. Just wow.
Garrard certainly didn’t play a perfect game but I’m fairly certain had the two performances been reversed we’d be reading about how Gabbert took the job from Garrard.
Personally, I was hoping to see great play from both of them but from Gabbert’s first pass into the dirt I saw a QB who’s not ready. Luckily, he has time and a coaching staff that’s going to give him the playing time to gain experience.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
which was worse, the pass in the dirt or the int in the end zone where DG blamed Mike Thomas for not being 8 feet tall?
or the pass to Lewis that was 5 feet over his head?
Oh well, on to Buffalo. Gabbert made mistakes a rookie should make. David made mistakes a veteran shouldn’t, at least not one getting paid $60 million and like it or not, he will always be his contract.
Could it be that Garrard is not the "lockerroom sweetheart" and "awesome teammate" everyone says he is?
I believe Alfie has hinted at this before…stay tuned…
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I'll take the 25 yarder where he shuffled his feet with a guy in his face and found Mike Thomas
Or the strike he threw on a line to Cecil Shorts on an out route on 3rd and 8 for 10 yards.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok
So there’s two good throws to go with his two bad throws, which cancel out and make him .500, just like his career.
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“I’m fairly certain had the two performances been reversed we’d be reading about how Gabbert took the job from Garrard”
I’m the one with the agenda, right?
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't think Gabbert played as badly as some are saying...
he made a couple of mistakes, but some of his passes were right on the money – perfectly thrown. Hethrew one down the sideline that was broken up by a nice defensive play, but the pass was dropped right in the bucket. He led a couple of WRs perfectly. Finally, I thought it was great when he was getting run down and threw the ball out with a lefthanded throw. No way DG does that.
Like Joe said earlier, same old Garrard. Overthrows Marcedes (who is 6’6", BTW), throws a terrible pick, and completes a few short slants.
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Related to the QB situation...
I think Cecil Shorts looked great – not including the awful botched reverse/fumble. ZAnd my boy Armon Bimms got the game winning TD…
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i thought the WRs in general
Were impressive. Cecil Shorts dominated barring the reverse attempt. Great hands. Hill made some good catches. Inman and Binns had good plays. Newcomer got the fumble recovery. Thomas was pretty good as well. I’d rather have an udfa WR than tiquan at this point
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 20, 2011 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd rather use the extra roster spot on a backup kicker than on Tiquan.
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 20, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What's the point?
He will just drop the water in the ground and make players angry.
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Alfie I appreciate everything you bring to this sight and say this respectfully,
perhaps you dont have an agenda, but there has to be something for more than one person to have this perception and mindset. Just saying.
by cbjags on Aug 20, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
so if there is more than one person that agrees with his assessment of DG, does that mean that the other people have an agenda?
I put forth the same argument once, and I was put on a little "vacation". Tread lightly.
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Continuously perpetuating something false about a person will typically get you flagged.
I’m sure you’re cool with people spouting things that aren’t true about you consistently, right? Right.
I am referring to the argument that there are two people in the conversation -
the writer and the reader. If the writer continually thinks words are being put in his mouth, he should at least be willing to see why the reader is ‘misinterpreting’ what the he is really trying to get across. (cbjags just made it, and I was banned for making the same argument before – I think you called it a personal attack or something)
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s always the same 3-4 people. That’s my point. Quite a few people here share my opinion on the subject of Garrard, yet it’s some vast agenda that I have against David Garrard.
I don’t think words are continuously being put in my mouth, they are continuously being put in my mouth.
The reader has to be actually willing to see why the words are being misinterpreted, instead of auto-assuming what the words mean, then never considering the possibility of the other because the ready has pre-determined they know the writer’s thoughts and intentions.
You weren’t banned for making that argument. You were banned for trying to incite people to bash me in the comments in an unnecessary manner. Trust me, if I was as “iron first” as some of you proclaim, a lot of you would have been banned already, don’t you think?
A friend of mine suggested I check out this epic flame war.
So I reluctantly came back (hey everyone old enough to remember me!) and checked out BCC. And…dear god, I’m glad I left. High blood pressure runs in my family, and my poor little heart wouldn’t be able to take all this negativity from everyone. All this back-and-forth is ridiculous, not least because you’ll never change BigAlfieShoe’s opinion on anything, with all his super-secret inside information that he can’t tell us that we have to take his word for it that he has.
IT’S A GAME. IT’S A FOOTBALL TEAM, one that has a very bright future in Jacksonville. Isn’t that enough? Just watch the games, and enjoy. I just like to watch.
and with that, poof gone.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 20, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even I'll admit
that Alfie is no where near as bad as BBS.
His only flaw is that he’s still mad that he backed Leftwich over Garrard and we all know what happened there. He won’t be able to rest easy again until Garrard is gone. ;-)
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
Haha
Well, judging from the fact that I am still able to access the site, he is at least better than BBS. Maybe I’ll give him another chance. After all, it looks like this site needs some cooler heads. Heads filled with sound logic.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 21, 2011 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Heads filled with sound logic
Some are running on empty
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
by TheTealDeal on Aug 21, 2011 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that you anti-Garrard and before you post,
I know that you have indicated that is a competition and that the best QB will start. You bring excellent thought provoking articles here and without you, this place wouldnt generate so much interest. Im just saying for so many people to think that you are against Garrard there is a failure one way or another, whether it be you or the readers, in interpreting your words here. I have seen you say that the best QB will play, so why do you think there are people who think you are so anti-Garrard? Id be very interested and curious as to your thoughts about this. Great job! And let me stress, I dont have a position who wins the QB job. May the best play.
I’ve been critical of Garrard since 2005, saying he would be nothing more than an average QB. I said his contract was rushed and would be a mistake. I think these people think that I hate him because he beat out Leftwich, since I thought Leftwich was the better option. It’s silly. People get emotionally invested in players, and all that leads to is hypersensitivity when they’re criticized. 100 people could say the sky is falling, that doesn’t mean there is something to the sky is falling.
Being critical of Garrard = being anti-Garrard.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I actually agree 100%
I think Garrard was a better than average back-up that still would give us a shot had Brunnell went down. A starter and getting a massive contract with 1 playoff win. I don’t think so. Now this is from a guy who actually liked Garrard better than Leftwich.
His contract was rushed but Weaver's decision is hardly David's fault
which I know you’re not saying. However, I made a point yesterday that Weaver and the rest of the decision makers (JDR and Gene Smith) have stated that David does not do the little things that a QB of his tax bracket should do. Mike Lombardi even said so on NFL Network yesterday.
Honestly, even though the statistics of the performances were similar, I feel more comfortable with Gabbert’s performance. The errors he was making were ones you’d expect from a rookie adjusting to the NFL game. He even admitted that he was thinking too much after the game. Garrard’s errors were compounded by his history of committing those same types of errors. Also, he had many inaccurate passes, even when he had time in the pocket. The comment about the Mike Thomas pass also rubbed me the wrong way. It didn’t sound anything like what a leader should say.
by Jaghawk on Aug 20, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
thanks for your input....the great thing about this place is we are all able to express
our opinions however valid or invalid they may be. The bottom line on the QB situation is it doesnt matter what any of us think because in the end the coaching staff will make that decision. I would like to think that they are the professionals who are out there evaluating day in and day out and can come to the CORRECT decision.
and if they dont make the correct decision they are/should be held accountable
such is the case JDR could be in this year.
One of you Garrard lovers has already said that the coaches can't evaluate properly
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We have Garrard don't we? $60mil right? You can't have it both ways, but you can try.
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
What does that have to do with what I said?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I am pointing out that Garrard-haters say that the coaches didn't evaluate Garrard properly in 2007.
And now, you seem to be criticizing a Garrard-lover for suggesting the coaches can’t evaluate properly. (I don’t like the hater/lover stuff. I am just following suit.)
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I say that?
No, so again, that has nothing to do with my comment. I didn’t criticize, I just said one of them said it.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So, why don't you explain what your comment was all about then?
Do you make a habit of regurgitating others’ comments for no reason?
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My comment in response to a poster that stated he hoped the staff made the correct decision
I replied with the fact that one the Garrard-lovers had previously stated that they did not think that coaching staff could evaluate properly.
With this comment i was implying that he wouldn’t think they decision would be correct if it was not Garrard.
I can’t believe I actually had to break that down but in reality, you seem pretty dumb so you probably still wont get it and will come back with another random fact or piece or trivia that has nothing to do with what i said so have fun.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I seem pretty dumb, huh?
Your explanation was exactly as I took it in the first place, and my comment stands. Do you not see the irony in your implication? You don’t have to answer that, but keep the dumb comments to yourself.
by Conservative on Aug 21, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
WTF????
We have Garrard don’t we? $60mil right? You can’t have it both ways, but you can try.
Still has absolutely nothing to do with what I said and if you took it that way in the first place would you see why.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 21, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And just for the record
I never said the coaches couldn’t evaluate someone else did. So the whole “you cant have it both ways” comment is really off.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 21, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Again:
1) Someone supportive of Garrard said the QB decision is not up to the fans but up to the coaches.
2) You then felt the need to point out that a “Garrard-Lover” had previously doubted the coaches’ ability to evaluate the QB position – implying that if Garrard doesn’t win, the “Garrard-Lovers” will merely state that the coaches made a mistake.
3) I then pointed out that “Garrard-Haters” typically question the coaches’ decision for Garrard to have been a starter in the first place (2007 and the $60mil). I was like-wise implying that the “Garrard-Haters” also doubt the coaches’ ability to evaluate the QB position.
4) So, if both sides hold the same doubt of the coaches, you connecting that doubt to a “Garrard-Lover” is meaningless. You obviously didn’t think it was meaningless, or you would not have typed it, which is why I said, “You can’t have it both ways.” In other words, if you are a “Garrard-Hater”, than by default, you are a coach doubter – just like the “Garrard-Lover” you cited.
by Conservative on Aug 21, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
"Dramatic irony: the device of giving the spectator an item of information that at least one of the characters in the narrative is unaware of (at least consciously), thus placing the spectator a step ahead of at least one of the characters."
Looks like we’re all a step ahead of Sylvester.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 21, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I never questioned the ability of them to evaluate...
and do believe that Garrard was the best QB in 07.. therefore no irony.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 21, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Once Again
I then pointed out that "Garrard-Haters" typically question the coaches’ decision for Garrard to have been a starter in the first place (2007 and the $60mil)
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are reading waaaay too much into a comment. Is it possible that Garrard was the right decision at that time therefore being the correct evaluation. To assume everyone would question the coaches ability to evaluate because one person or group does is ignorant.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that what you were doing?
“One of you Garrard lovers has already said that the coaches can’t evaluate properly”
If not, then, once again, I don’t see meaning in this quote, unless you just like stating facts for the record.
The sky is blue. The sun is hot. Grass is green.
by Conservative on Aug 21, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If you honestly
dont see the difference there then this conversation is pointless
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 21, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we agree on one thing.
So, can I have my time back now?
by Conservative on Aug 21, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither Garrard nor Gabbert were great. Let’s wait until after the Buffalo game (Where the starters will play longer) to see who is truly winning the QB Battle.
"Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because This is Just a Ride."
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 20, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
WR
It’s gonna be the M80 and Shorts show this year guys ………. mike and Cecil are gonna tear it up …….. Go Jags
L F J
Yup.
I saw that too. As long as Cecil doesn’t butterfinger reverses again, we got an underrated dynamic WR duo that the NFL doesn’t see coming.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 20, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i believe a tactical nuke is a wee bit more explosive than c4, cs3, and m80 combined. could be wrong, but…. maybe we should name our top sacking machine " tactical nuke delivery system "
Sean
Pax Armis Acquiritur
On D
Alualu is a freaking BEAST ……… He is gonna Dominate this year baby !
L F J
by Daddycrapper on Aug 20, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to add fuel to the McCown fire
Even if he was working with the 3s on both sides, he got the ball out fast. Watch the TD drive again if you can and you will see snap decisions on his part. He had the ball out and on target (short passes, I know). He only looked bad on only one throw that should have been a TD.
Basically, the talent drop off from our 1QB to our 2QB to our 3 QB probably is the smallest in the league. They all are in the mix in my eyes.
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!
The same people that are Anti-Garrard and Pro-Gabbert were probably the same people who were Pr-Edwards last season.
Considering injury and lack of snacks in practice I thought Garrard looked pretty sharp aside from the miss to Lewis and the overthrow INT to Thomas.
Gabbert has a bit more to learn about the way the game is played in the NFL as opposed to the NCAA. So don’t look for JDR to ruin him by feeding him to the lions too soon and before he’s ready.
Be thankful that we have such depth at the quarterback position this year.
As for Underwood he was a good special teamer, but didn’t quite grow his hands as he’s needed to. With the rookies showing special teams promise he might not make the 53 man final cut.
Defense look pretty sharp and that’s awesome considering we didn’t even have everyone playing tonight. How about that run game without Mojo or Jennings? Can’t say smack about the WR corps since they all produced well last night. O-line still needs another anchor though…
I didn't realize the Jaguars cut Garrard's snacks
I’m on his side now. That’s just not right.
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by Adam Stites on Aug 20, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
They should do that with Pot Roast.
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by JPQ! on Aug 20, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Digging a little deeper...
Gabbert played against the first string defense in the 2nd quarter and the Falcons 2nd string defense in the 3rd quarter.
In the 2nd quarter, Gabbert was 4-11 for 35 yards and earned only 2 first downs in 3 drives. That’s also 3.1 yards per attempt and well below 50% completions.
In the 3rd quarter, Gabbert went 7-12 for 63 yards. Better completion percentage, but still only 5 yards per attempt.
The way I see it, the final numbers don’t tell you how well Gabbert played. The first half numbers (against the ones) is what is actually important, and Gabbert did not do well.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
And Garrard did?
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Brian
Why is it that Gabbert can go 9-16 for 85 yards in week one, and 11-23 for 96 yards in week two, and you keep saying he doesn’t look that good. However, Garrard goes 7-12 for 99 yards and an interception and he looks sharp for the most part, just a little bit of rust, just missed a few passes, etc.? You are constantly making excuses for Garrard, yet are criticizing every little thing Gabbert does wrong.
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9/16, 85yds = 56.3%, 5.3yds/att (2 quarters)
11/23, 96yds = 47.8%, 4.2yds/att (2 quarters)
7/12, 99yds = 58.3%, 8.25yds/att (1 quarter)
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
So Garrard’s yrds/att were slightly higher, but that INT is the real killer. I never said Gabbert played better, but people have said that Garrard ‘definitely played better’. Their play was very similar. Garrard wins for a higher yrds/att percentage, but Gabbert wins for not throwing a horrible INT and then blaming his WR.
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Have I once said Garrard looked sharp?
I said he threw a preseason interception on a pass he wouldn’t make in the regular season and missed a couple of passes, but that he moved the offense better than Gabbert and I like watching him move his feet and avoid pressure. All of those things are true. I’m not going to make excuses for the INT and missing Lewis. Even with that, though, the first half numbers aren’t even close. 7-12 for 99 yards for Garrard, 4-11 for 35 yards for Gabbert.
And seriously dude, if all we’re looking at is simple statistics, Luke McCown would be an all-pro.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously dude
You were the one that started with the numbers. I was just using them to show that the numbers suggest there isn’t that much of a difference. If we want to go by what our eyes tell us, then I would say both guys have made good plays, both have made bad plays. However, Garrard’s bad plays are the ones that he has ALWAYS made. Gabbert is obviously inexperienced, and while I’m not saying he will definitely overcome those rookie struggles, I would lean to the side that he will. In two weeks I’ve seen Gabbert make throws Garrard would not make in his wildest dreams. Bottom line, the competition is still wide open. But the kid has real potential.
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by Jagmania28 on Aug 20, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more with you Jagmania.
"Do I need to be liked? Absolutely not! I like to be liked, I enjoy being liked, I have to be liked. But it's not like this compulsive need to be liked...like my need to be praised." Michael Scott
So, should we sit on Cecil Shorts and Rackley and defer to Dillard and Spitz or Whimper?
they are rookies after all
Wow. I wish I could go back and show every time the argument has been made that the QB position is a whole different animal.
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He could, or...
He could be like Rivers, Rodgers, and Eli who waited their turn.
Or he could be like Alex Smith and David Carr who were rushed in too soon and ruined their careers.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Prove that being rushed in Alex Smith and David Carr ruined their careers. Prove that it wasn’t just that Alex Smith and David Carr weren’t good.
Prove that Rivers, Rodgers, and E. Manning wouldn’t have been as good by starting right away.
You can’t.
Again, people keep throwing out these unquantifiable statements as if they’re proof of something. They’re not proof of anything at all.
I hadn’t seen shorts prior to yesterday. He looked good. WR is also one of the most interchangeable and easy-to-play-as-a-rookie positions in the NFL.
Rackley didn’t have a great game. I dunno about Spitz but the O-line was full of holes last night.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think I agree on WR
WR is not necessarily easy for a rookie to be an impact guy. RB, S, P, K all seem to be higher on my list.
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by DownTownJax on Aug 20, 2011 4:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is my thought..
Some people seem to be making excused for either Gabbert and Garrard…
Garrard for the most part was what we know, inconsistant, except those throw in the red zone, he usually does better than that…but his play was good a few times, pretty bad others.
My biggest problem about Gabbert was that i think he lost confidence in his OL and took off running way too early at times, at least 3 or 4 times he should waited a bit longer for the receivers to get on their routes, but he would just leave the pocket too soon. He made rookie mistakes that are totally fixable, but i’m sure next week he will already look much better, at least fixing these problems.
To me this is still an open competition, Garrard as the veteran starter is the one who got a chance to clear this matter and state that he is and will remain the starter, that didn’t happen, nor Gabbert showed he belongs there yesterday night.
Two more pre-season games and we will be taking a better look at this…also can we please talk about what i think are more important matters…such as ouur OL play? seriously…they all look bad.
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He played really well apart from the reverse
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 20, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
I’m very excited about Cecil Shorts, i don’t think he’s just a camp tease as other WR’s we had in the past.
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+1
He always seems cool, calm, and collected while out on the field
"Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because This is Just a Ride."
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold or cynical, but I am. So that's how it comes out."
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is all you need to know about Levinson and Garrard
Brian stated that even if BG performs better than DG he thinks DG should get at least a chance to show his wares to start the season. He asks, “What can it hurt?”
If the mindset of someone is that you will not start the best player for the sake of someone who has been the starter then you can’t possibly find a common ground upon which to discuss the topic.
Furthermore, he wants to play semantics with the word “better”. Better at accuracy? Better pocket presence? Better arm strength? Better leader? Better mechanics? It is an absolutely ridiculous tactic and neuters even his own position. Should we create a matrix and assign point values to what is considered more valuable as a “better” qualifier? Last I checked better is defined as grasping the offense, hitting your open receivers and leading the team to points.
The simplest approach, IMHO, is to observe how they perform and if neither out performs the other you start the veteran. I appreciate that is a debatable position to hold and I’m open to a stronger counter argument that would sway me from hold this position. The key is to be player agnostic. Who really gives a damn who is under center. If I see more Ws than Ls or if I see more TDs than INTs then I’m ok.
I don’t care if my Jaxson DeVille bobblehead figure is the QB. If it out performs all the other folks then put him in.
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by Brian Fullford on Aug 20, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions
Hey Brian..
Where have you been , man? Miss your articles.
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by Hellveto on Aug 20, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Took a sabatical
I’m actually working on building a grass roots non-profit group. Still in the infancy but my friend and I have made it public early to have public monitoring of growth: successes and failures.
I’m presently writing over at jaguarsblog.com. CaliforniaJag was nice enough to ask me to be a part of his site.
Thank you for the kind words.
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
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by Brian Fullford on Aug 20, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice...i will definitely give a look at this blog.
And good luck at your projects, Brian.
"Do I need to be liked? Absolutely not! I like to be liked, I enjoy being liked, I have to be liked. But it's not like this compulsive need to be liked...like my need to be praised." Michael Scott
Thank you sir
There is quite a bit of good writing going on these days. I may think Levinson is a bit loony :) with this DG position but the kid can write. You don’t get into Emory if you aren’t good.
The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
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by Brian Fullford on Aug 20, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He beats a poke in the eye.
Crow is equal to a poke in the eye, safety glasses required. It’s hard hat reading, blue collar…Jacksonville. Fun to make fun of.
JD Chambers
'preciate it.
Levenson btw. L-e-v-E-n son.
I’m not trying to be loony abt the whole thing, I’m trying to ignore hypotheticals and look at what the team has now. Now, Gabbert is a talented rookie and Garrard is a solid starter who will win you as many games as you lose.
We assume that we as fans can see who is “better.” But honestly, we don’t know. Even intelligent fans have maybe 1/10th of the knowledge necessary to accurately judge a young QB. We’re not in practices, weightroom, classroom. We’re talking out our asses.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries :)
I have resorted to a Goatee (not to be confused with a Vandyke). It was a concession to keep the wife happy. That is until we hit snow country later this year. I’m not anywhere near the beautiful growth you are promoting in that picture. Well done my friend.
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by Brian Fullford on Aug 20, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
who wants the LG or RT job
that’s what i’m more interested in. In the short term, Garrard vs. Gabbert is a push. The two positions on the OL I just mentioned are going to play a bigger role in determine our success this year than the QB competition will
I think the QB performances were as Aflie described them.. A WASH
The Garrard lovers sound idiotic saying he was “Definitely better”.Garrard showed the same old mistakes that he always makes and Gabbert needs to get more comfortable staying in the pocket.
It will be interesting to see what happens against Buffalo.
I have said this before and I will say it again, If they are close and give the team about the same chance of winning (which seems like the situation now) that they should start Gabbert, he is the rookie and has the chance to get a lot better with the added experience, Garrard already he is what he will always be.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
I honestly watched the game last night
and again this morning with the hopes of seeing what everyone on here is raving about as far as Gabbert is concerned. And I’m sorry, I don’t care who he has in front or behind him, I did not see a QB who I would be comfortable starting the season with. Sure, I see a lot of potential and expect him to eventually take over the job. But from the his very first pass I saw someone who wasn’t yet comfortable out there when going against the first team.
This has nothing to do with Garrard. If Garrard’s back was bad enough to keep him out, I’d prefer to go with McCown week 1 over Gabbert.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
by pksiv on Aug 20, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I understand that
but in a competition for who starts week 1, he’s not ready in my opinion. I would be extremely happy if he were ready, but I don’t see a guy who is.
So this isn’t about Garrard. We all know what we have with him. And with what we’ve seen from the defense, I’d rather not throw away the season with a guy who’s not ready. When he is, it appears that he will be special. But he definitely needs more work.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
Here comes the false pretenses again. “I’d rather not throw away the season.” You’ve pre-determined it’s impossible to win with Gabbert, but despite what Garrard did last night it’s possible to win with Garrard.
Fun how this works.
Not impossible...
…. just less likely.
I’m honestly quite shocked at how people seem to think the offense was “much the same” with the two QBs last night. Under Garrard, we moved the chains with ease, but shot ourselves in the foot with turnovers. With Gabbert, there was no need to shoot ourselves in the foot because we couldn’t move the chains. It was a marked difference that Lageman and “the voice” mentioned a few times on the audio commentary.
that's exactly the problem
Garrard makes what are essentially rookie mistakes at critical junctures of the game a hell of a lot more often than a $60 million dollar quarterback does, and has done so since 2008.
Garrard had three drives. One he ended on a horrible turnover. The other Shorts fumbled. The last he badly missed on two passes in the endzone, one of which was almost picked.
That’s not “better” than Gabbert not moving the ball. If anything, it’s a complete wash in performance.
Well
… to put it more succinctly then….. Garrard’s 3 drives (even with the two turnovers) attained more 1st downs than Gabbert managed in the rest of the half and most of the 3rd quarter.
I’m not making this up… the offense just flat out stalled once Gabbert got on the field, and stayed stalled pretty much up until the 3rd quarter.
Hmmm
I’d rather have drives that last more than 3 plays…. if for no reason than it diminishes the time Manning is playing against us, and it rests our D.
well, look at last night
He throws the pick, dude returns it 60 plus yards.
Was any punt returned 60 yards?
I think the kid can do it
He has a couple games to hone the rough edges before it counts. Throw the rookie in the fire.
JD Chambers
It's not about what Garrard did last night
it’s about his entire body of work as a starter in the NFL. We know what we get and while that’s certainly not perfect I am fairly confident in saying that it would be better than what we’d get from Gabbert RIGHT NOW.
I honestly wish that wasn’t the case. I wish I watched Gabbert light it up and the team actually had a tough decision to make. But he didn’t look ready.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
The odds of us going 4-12 with Gabbert are as good as the odds of us going 8-8.
The odds of us going 4-12 with Garrard are lower, because he’s proven that he can lead a team with very little talent to speak of (cough cough 2009) to a 7-9 record.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Have any proof of those odds with Gabbert? You’re not being “looney” and staying away from hypotheticals, remember?
You’re operating off false pretenses. Propping up Garrard’s 2009 season, is also completely laughable. You really trying to say they were 7-9 because of Garrard?
Oh yeah, he went to the Pro Bowl that year, right?
I don't bring up that season because I consider it somewhat of a fluke.
So do the Jaguars and JDR. There’s no proof of anything to be had right now, but we know what Garrard will do with a team with offensive talent. He’s been to a pro bowl (since you so kindly brought that up) and set the franchise record for TD passes last year.
We don’t know what Gabbert would do with a similar offensive team, so the potential for him to fail is greater than it is for Garrard. If Garrard does fail, I’ll be calling for Gabbert, starting around week 5.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Then you’re only getting in hypotheticals when it helps your point?
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You must really enjoy trolling me...
The only thing that is not hypothetical is past performance. Garrard’s past performance indicates that he is an NFL-quality starting QB. Everything else is guesswork.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not trolling you, I’m making sure your argument stays consistent. You said you’re not getting into hypotheticals, but then you do.
That's how I feel too
I honestly do believe Gabbert is going to be special…. but right now, I’d be nervous as hell with him as a starter. Granted, I’m not entirely comfortable with Garrard as the starter, but Gabbert is still too raw.
Maybe he will be the starter by mid-season, but for game 1 of the season? No thanks. I’d feel more comfortable with McCown.
by KeithG on Aug 20, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because
… I feel less confortable with Bouman than Gabbert.
Don’t try and make this into a “principle” thing…. because I’m not using anything other than how I feel about individual players!
but you say you'd feel more comfortable with a guy whose last live action resulted in a torn ACL
vs a guy who came in vs KC and played well then wilted late. Principles, HA!
I'm not sure I get your point?
HA! What did I miss? Bouman hasn’t had enough practise for me to feel comfortable with. It’s pretty simple.
Is Gabbert going to get “less raw” by not playing?
Is he going to get a feel for the pocket in practice?
Again: There’s only so much you learn on the bench.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. People improve
in practice all the time.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
by pksiv on Aug 20, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How do you get a better feel for the pocket and pass rush in practice, where you know you cannot be hit?
Feel free to explain.
Talk to coaches before you make these arguments.
Ask Mike Sheppard if QBs get better during practice. Ask him if he is training Gabbert to feel the pressure, watching tape with Gabbert, teaching him proper footwork. If he’s not, he’s not a good coach, because that’s his job.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Honest question: Do you think I’ve never asked these questions before? Do you think I don’t talk to some coaches, players, and people in the organization?
Again I’ll ask: How do you get a better feel for the pocket and pass rush in practice, where you know you cannot be hit?
Feel free to actually answer the question.
Honest answer: I don’t know if you’ve asked these questions. You certainly haven’t referenced any of the coaches answers.
As for how do you get a better for the pocket and pass rush in practice: Take more reps, get coached on how to shuffle your feet. They do have “sacks” in practice when a DL taps the QB on the shoulder pads. It’s not like pass rushers won’t be coming at Gabbert, they just won’t be hitting him.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If you really think “sacks” in practice = pass rush in games, I don’t know what else to say.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
references
I typed something up about that, but chose to delete it to avoid further arguments. I think you are on to something there.
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You think I’m going to quote and name what coaches say off the record?
Boy, that’s funny.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are there no other options other than to just state it as it your own original thought?
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This is Alfie Cat Country, B-Lev!
Don’t get cornered…the Alfie Cat will POUNCE! It’s gonna get ugly, yo. Get with the Blaine is Best Crew or get that obsolete status. That’s up to you.
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by viator on Aug 20, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never really thought of it as the QB being scared of the hit.
by Conservative on Aug 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not necessarily being scared, it’s that you know you’re not getting hit no matter what.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s like target practice using blanks.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hell, it's not like Johnny Unitas is out there and Dan Fouts is trying to get the job
the mere fact that the quarterbacks are this close and Gabbert has only been with the team less than a month is a damning indictment on Garrard’s limitations. Should not be this close, but it is.
I dunno if it’s an indictment, but it’s really interesting how we’re even having this kind of QB battle especially with also having a lockout this year.
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 20, 2011 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How is it not?
He has been the starter since ‘07 and can’t shake off a guy that is supposedly “raw”
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 20, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, you guys..
We can talk QB all day, but how come are we not discussing what’s going on with the OL? Throw any QB there and with this OL play none will succeed.
So, screw you guys… i’m going home.
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Is it finally time to draft a QB?
by TheTealDeal on Aug 21, 2011 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
ffs
stop the ridiculous back & forth already
you’re both wasting a lot of the readers time by debating the same points ad nauseam
how about this? you are both right and both wrong. move on
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Scripted, bro
And what’s worse, there is no Brian Levenson! Both characters are actually Alfie freakin Crow. He’s arguing with himself. That’s why we call him Loony Levenson ’round these parts.
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Don’t look behind the curtain!
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disappointed
Being a Jaguars fan and living on the other coast make big cat country a verry important avenue for me to get fan information and opinions of the Jaguars. Unfortunatly except for the defence what I saw friday night looked nothing like the reports from this forum. The Jaguars still have no reciever who can stretch the field or even get seperation. Gerrard looked horrible (like himself) and Gabbert looked…. well like a rookie. By the time McCown started he was throwing against players who probably wont be playing footbal next month. There was nothing good about the quarterback play last night except getting the rookie on field reps.
From a long time reader/observer of this thread I can tell you that alot of the arguement in this forum has turned into non-objective opinions of favorite or unliked players. From my point of view it ruins the intent and cheapens the conversations.
DG has been a game manager his entire career and why would anyone expect anything different. BG is a rookie on a team with huge question marks at reciever what kind of miracles do the fans expect. JD hasn’t stepped foot on the field yet, Jennings didnt play and Karim isnt as big a threat as the first two. Atlanta’s defense didn’t have to worry about the run much, so the could consentrate on thier pass defense and shut down lewis and thomas. Shorts looked like he will be an upgrade but there is more to see. The offensive line still has room to grow and struggles in passing situations.
On the otherhand the defense has improved and im looking foward to more. Of course they got burned on one play and mistakes do happen. But all-in-all the defense has improved with that performance against the Falcons offense.
As far as the quarterback positon goes, I do have to agree with Alfee, there is no reason to stick with DG unless he plays significantly better than BG and last night he didnt. You can listen to all the pundants and polite talk in the league about watching from the side lines, but there is no substitute for on field experience. No reason to have your future standing on the sidline watching if the past won’t improve the future.
Somebody please think of the children!!!
I have a new angle I just thought about. Jacksonville got a nice advertisement last night. What are people talking about today? Sure as hell ain’t blackouts and relocation.
Think about that for a minute. Remember week 15 when we were the darling of the NFL?
Seriously
those two guys were not looking good at all. I was much more impressed with the O-line which I figure to be a weakness
overthrown ball
From my point of view, on the ball garrard had intercepted in the end zone Thomas quit on the play. That is what Garrard is referring to with his comments. Had Thomas continued running he at the very least would have tackled the DB in the end zone instead of having a 60 yard return. Field position(along with turnovers) is a major factor in who wins games.
I have watched the replay over and over and I agree with jagsfan.
Even after Thomas changed direction (miscommunication?) and then gave up, the ball was only 5yds passed him. It was still overthrown, but not nearly as much as everyone says. Thomas should have been able to hit the DB right as or right after he caught it. The real problem was that Garrard made the throw in the first place with that coverage, which Garrard rightfully acknowledged to the media. This whole thing is so blown out of proportion in my opinion, but it is to be expected when the witch-hunt is on.
by Conservative on Aug 21, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Please explain what people like me and witch-hunts have in common. What is meant by "people like you"?
by Conservative on Aug 21, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
look at the tape
The ball was 10 yards past him because Thomas quit running. Him and the DB were within a yard or two when Thomas quit running.

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