Jaguars Have to Cut to 80 Players By August 30th
by Alfie Crow on Aug 20, 2011 7:00 PM EDT
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The Jacksonville Jaguars roster is currently set at 90 total players. By August 30th, the Jaguars will need to trim 10 players off their roster, bringing the total to 80 total players. I'm not going to say I can cut the roster down to 53 just yet, but I think I can pinpoint some players who's roster positions aren't safe.
One player I would have released immediately following the game last night is wide receiver Tiquan Underwood. He offers absolutely nothing at this point, and he's run his course. All he's doing right now is stealing reps from some of the other receivers like Armon Binns and Jamar Newsome. I don't think he's got any shot to make the roster and I would just cut bait as is.
Defensive end Larry Hart has found himself buried on the depth chart. Hart didn't get into the game last night until after undrafted rookie Odrick Ray. That means he's behind Aaron Kampman, Jeremy Mincey, Matt Roth, Austen Lane, Aaron Morgan, and Odrick Ray in the rotation right now. That's not a very good sign for the second year player and will force Gene Smith to make a really hard decision.
I can't see kick returner Scottie McGee having a spot on this teams roster. He had a ton of chances to return kicks last night and just failed to impress. When you do only one thing, you have to do that one thing well. While he had an exciting return running nearly 20-30 yards for a 5 yard gain, if he had just hit the hole on the return, he might have gotten 15 yards. One thing you can't do in the NFL returning kicks is dance around.
There some other obvious cuts, but all three of these Gene Smith draft picks could very well be meeting the Turk soon.
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Underwood is done in Jacksonville
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 20, 2011 7:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i find it funny how much everyone here dislikes Underwood..
we should though, he has the worst hands ever. ARMON BINNS needs to come in for him.
by FgallosJAGS on Aug 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
sometimes
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 21, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t hate him. I just think he sucks and is a waste of a roster spot.
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 21, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
okay
Sometimes we need to collectively root against some one
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 21, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sometimes
In order to heal wounds from heated debates, we all need to collectively hate someone.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 21, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Underwood
like him a lot. He went to the same high school as my wife (different graduating year.)
He did a serviceable job during the first half of last season filling in while Karim was recovering from hand surgery and yes he made some key plays in the Indy game. But I’m not so blinded by my like or dislike that I can’t see that a) he’s stuck this long solely due to speed and potential and b) he is just not an NFL receiver at this point. His speed will pretty much keep him in the conversation as far as future opportunities, but he’s the latest in a long like of track stars that we are seemingly infatuated with. It all started with Chris Doering Alvis Whitted.
At first I didn't see the second "to" in the the sentence as I was like whoa.
But yea. Underwood. Screw that guy.
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While I wouldn’t lose any sleep if Underwood were to get cut, and I do agree he’s been very disappointing so far this year, I feel the need to point out the fact that we very likely would not have beaten the Colts last year at EverBank without his critical 3rd down conversion catch on the Colts’ sideline.
Exactly. He can’t maintain a career off one play. Does anyone remember the disaster that was starting him against Cleveland last year?
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 20, 2011 7:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least 3 seasons...
B/c the David supporters still like to talk about 2007 like it was yesterday…
by Slawsc on Aug 20, 2011 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tiquan Underwood
I realize that what I mentioned in my first post is not necessarily a reason to keep a guy now, but I felt it was still worth mentioning.
I haven’t seen enough in practices to say, but does anyone know if Binns, Newsome, Ellingson, or Inman are better than Underwood right now?
I like the potential of Binns, but haven’t seen enough. Wonder what Gene is thinking.
He's been solid so far in preseason
and it’s not like he’s going to be starting. He’ll probably see time in dime packages or if there is an injury.
Can't see Whimper going anywhere
Other backup tackles are somehow even worse. Whimper just seems worse than them because he’s playing with the starters.
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 20, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
David Jones
Played pretty well last night. And he makes plays in run support.
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Middleton isn't very good
Bet they keep Jones over Middleton
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 20, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Middleton has special teams value
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 20, 2011 8:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he is a good gunner.
was our gunner, until we got Osgood.
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by rhettchrystal on Aug 20, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
With the New rules limiting special teams contact in place, special teams value will decrease.
ie the kick off rules, etc
and yet Deji still manages to get great position with kickoffs
that is why he deserves that spot so much. He is really quite good.
Coleman is really a nickle only
Isaac is a rookie who hasn’t shown much yet, so for me it comes down to Jones and Middleton and it appears Jones is currently higher on the depth chart. Plus if Mathis or Cox goes down Jones has experience playing outside.
none of which the other guys have
Jones has experience
getting burned, thats it. But I dont think he’ll be in the first 10 cut,v he’ll probably be cut int the end.
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by rhettchrystal on Aug 20, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Who’s the backup center? With Spitz’s versatility and Rackley as well, I cannot imagine keeping both Vierling and Estes. Or are they both gone?
Most likely Spitz
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 20, 2011 8:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I heard
On the radio last night that the staff has been saying good things about Estes. I’d bet he makes the final 53.
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by cuffs007 on Aug 20, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
If I was Gene...
…the players I’d cut to get to 80.
Jalil Johnson
T.J. Heath
Steven Wesley
Tiquan Underwood
Dontrelle Inman
Tommy Galarda
Todd Bouman(3 healthy QBs now, he can be cut, but maybe picked up again)
Slade Norris
Cameron Bradfield
Brent Bowden
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Yeah and sign Inman and Gallarda to the practice squad
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 20, 2011 8:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nope
maybe gallarda, but leave the p.s. spot for binns or newsome, whichever doesnt make the team.
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by rhettchrystal on Aug 20, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a bit of a Gallarda fan myself.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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Aw, sorry…wrong forum.
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by Hellveto on Aug 20, 2011 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Bye Bye Underwood
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Sims-Walker
Just dropped a perfect ball thrown by Bradford ending up on an interception for the Titans..
I hope he plays better than that so we can get somewhat a conditional pick, that could happen?
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A “perfect ball”? lol, hate hate hate.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was ready to argue with this...
But then i remembered your love for MSW :)
http://www.nfl.com/videos/tennessee-titans/09000d5d8219c313/Bradford-throws-first-INT-of-season
Here is the video for those who want to see, could have been tipped by the defender but it doesnt look like it, in my defense i was watching it live.
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He probably should have caught, hardly a perfect throw.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 21, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are right, when you are right you are right..
But still should have been caught…anyways, i only wish MSW succeeds, he was always a good guy and fan friendly.
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Pretty sure his contract simply expired.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 21, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if he had an All-Pro season
we signed to many big free agent to get any conditional picks
Yeah that hair is crazy
It made me laugh when I saw him on the sideline.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 20, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Love your articles man, but I gotta disagree here, Jones is good against the run, gets to the QB faster on blitzes, and is MUCH more competent that Nelson, have you watched any Bengals preseason games this year? Nelson will only make that team because they lost so much in FA, and even then its a big if. We need hitters, not guys who run around contact.
I assume this was for me: Yes, I have watched Bengals games. Nelson had an OK season for them last year. David Jones was completely horrible and still his.
Not saying David Jones is not horrible,
but I live in Cincinnati right now, and you should hear how much Bengals fans dislike Reggie. He’s up there with Carson Palmer and Mike Brown on the dislike list. I remember him being pretty terrible last year….but I guess I also remember the entire team being pretty terrible….
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 21, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re really just arguing degrees of terrible, I guess.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 21, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Its the sports equivalent of: Is he good looking?
Ummm…he’s got a great personality!
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On Jones
David Jones is more competent than people realize. I am glad he isn’t starting, but he is not a bad guy to have on the team. He has been extremely physical against the run this preseason and has yet to be embarrassed in coverage.
Obviously we don’t want him on Reggie Wayne ever again, but he provides decent depth. Also, remember he played at Wingate so a steep learning curve is to be expected.
also worth mentioning that
the price we paid for him was finally ridding ourselves of THE ERASER who successfully manage to erase our chances to win, singlehandedly sometimes… and who also played safety, an easier position to replace
Reggie Nelson had a better season and is playing significantly better than Jones. Jones is AWFUL.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 21, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I didn’t say the trade was good. Nelson has more talent. You are wrong though, Jones is not playing terribly.
He stops the run. He is adequate against 3rd and 4th receivers. Like I said, not a starter, but corners are hard to find and his physicality is an asset.
Jones IS playing terrible. He gets beat, consistently.
He forced a fumble against New England, but that’s about all he’s done. He gets juked by back up RBs often and he can’t cover. If the best part of a corner’s game is his run support, then you’ve got big time problems.
BTW
In that first game against the Broncos we thought he played well…in the last play David Jones got burned badly by the receiver, i guess if Orton had more time to throw the ball that would have been an easy TD. I was just re-watching games from last season and saw this.
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Everyone gets beaten
The guy is a back-up. If he wasn’t destroyed against a prolific offense like Denver’s, he is a decent reserve. I don’t want to be accused of saying too much. He is not a starting caliber player, and I am saying that with the understanding that “starting-caliber” is a broad term. Lots of average players can function as starters. Jones can give you one or two decent games if he has to, but only against mediocre offensive attacks. He gets exposed if he has to play more frequently than that or against good opponents.
This guy gets beaten
by #6s
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by rhettchrystal on Aug 21, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know why
you think that happens. Maybe in practice; like I said, I dont get to see those.
Not in games. If that were the case, he wouldnt be playing.
OK
I don’t watch practices, because I don’t live in Jacksonville.
He is clearly the third corner right now (he seems to get first crack on the outside off the bench even though Coleman is the nickelback) , so if he is playing terribly, that doesn’t say much for our other options.
In the preseason games, he has not been terrible. I am not just talking about the play against New England. I saw him miss one tackle the other night against Jacquizz Rodgers, who happens to be a beast, in spite of his position on the depth chart.
I agree the team would do well to upgrade in the future, but right now, they seem content to let him play his role as 3rd/4th corner. I think they will keep him because he is a decent utility player. He isn’t as bad as you seem to think, but let’s not get into this over a back-up who isn’t an ascending player.
What do you think about Whitehead? He looks bigger and seems to know his assignments and react quickly to the play in front of him. I saw him make some nice plays this preseason, albeit against back-ups.
Nope
Coleman is the 3, Middleton the 4, Jones the 5, and Issac rotates.
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by rhettchrystal on Aug 21, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones and Middleton
come in together, how do you determine who’s 4 and 5
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Coleman wasnt here last year,
and I’d take Coleman on the outside over Jones any day, as he played for hurt Darelle Revis(top corner), and did an admirable job, all Jones has done is get beat.
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by rhettchrystal on Aug 21, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reason I'd be sad if Underwood leaves
is that my screenname would have less meaning
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by tiquanunderwear on Aug 20, 2011 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Personally
I’m really rooting for Scotty McGee. He’s a tenacious returner who runs harder than most of the running backs on the team. I think he could end up being a better returner than Karim if he gets more shots on kick offs.
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I hope he is
Karim is a dynamic kick returner who definitely has a role on this team. Mcgee did seem to try hard last night, but he just doesn’t have that dynamci quality
by Jagsrok9008 on Aug 20, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Karim is great and obviously has more roster value than McGee. However, I have positive memories from last year before McGee hurt his shoulder. I can’t remember if it was preseason or what, but McGee was bouncing off of guys and getting really good yardage (like 40yds). I have always been impressed by his balance. As little as he is, he just doesn’t go down easy. But, unfortunately, his shoulder paid the price.
by Conservative on Aug 21, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you?
Karim is no Devin Hester. People on here act like he’s a stud.
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Devin Hester
Is one of the best of all time. No one is saying Karim is that. Fact of the matter is he has had several nice returns in his very short career.
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please watch our games and come back on here with an educated mind. youre heads so far up your * right now, Karim is an excellent returner, i get very excited to see every return. sure hes not hester but this is also only his 2 yr of returning and he has at least one of about 50 yards every time we need him. Go rewatch and see how mannygames he won us last year beczuase of his 2 minute return leaving a short field for the touchdown
I think Mcgee can be an explosive returner
the problem is Punt Returner is the only position he can play and with only 53 spots he is probably the odd man out
Unless he can improve as a CB
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 21, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s all you need to know about his ability at CB: During drills, he fields punts.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 21, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hahahaha very true
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m rooting for him as well, but I don’t see him making the final 53
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by montanajagsfan on Aug 21, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is McGee plays only one position, who’s value has been decreased with the new rules. McGee would have to be a significantly better returner than Karim to warrant keeping. Unfortunately for McGee, Karim is also good at actually playing a position AND returning kicks.
You can only keep so many “special teams only” guys. McGee isn’t making this team, and quite frankly was a waste of a draft pick.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 21, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
One draft analysis said
When we picked tiquan, he said the 7th round pick is used to get find on a udfa who might go somewhere else of he had a choice. You use on someone who has one or more skills that standout, like for tiquan it would of been his speed
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You use 6/7ths on “UDFAs” that are priority.
Those usually make it more than one season. Plus, they took returners back to back. Was a little “too cute”.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 21, 2011 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My thoughts with those picks were
that Smith knew that the only area where you can make an instant difference is special teams, so he went heavy, perhaps too heavy in special teams.
Your points
Are true. I guess we’ll see. He’d really have to light it up the next two games to warrant a roster spot.
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I think McGee
is playing for another team right now. The chances of the Jags keeping him appear slim. He does have some ability though. Someone can use him.
???
how is a punt returner affected by the kick off rule?…I got an Idea go write an article on how its Garrard’s fault the NFL moved the kick offs to the 35
I tried that argument a long time ago. It does make sense.
I think if McGee doesn’t make it, it won’t have anything to do with the rule change. It will just be that he is a one trick pony (and it is a small trick), and we have a lot of young guys the Gene wants to keep, so there will be a lot of tough roster decisions to make.
by Conservative on Aug 21, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Question? Do you see us dropping MORE the 10 players and then picking up someone elses drops?
I mean, in all due respect, I like what we done in terms of 1st teamers, but If you compare our teams to the top teams, we suck in the depth department, lots of maybe potential people, but big drop off if we lose certain players.
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