Jack Del Rio On Garrard, Deep Passes, and Starting QB's
by Alfie Crow on Aug 23, 2011 7:33 PM EDT
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The quarterback "competition" is officially over! Jack Del Rio today reaffirmed to the media that David Garrard is the Jacksonville Jaguars starting quarterback. So, it's over right? If David Garrard goes out and struggles and turns the ball over again against the Buffalo Bills and Blaine Gabbert lights it up, there will be absolutely nothing to talk or think about, right?
"Yeah. David's our starter. I said that all spring,'' Del Rio told the media when asked if Garrard would start the season opener.
Pardon me for being overly cynical with the Jaguars quarterback situation, but we've seen this dog and pony show before. Say what you want about how similar or different the situation is from the 2007 season, but we've seen Jack Del Rio endorse a quarterback all the way up until the cut day deadline, then make the switch. It's very likely David Garrard is the Jaguars opening day starter, but I don't believe for a second it's set in stone at the moment. I'm not going to believe who the starter is until after final cuts have been made, because that's the only time we'll know for sure. Even in 2007, no one knew until the day of final cuts.
There is still something to be played out at the quarterback position, don't kid yourself. A lot can change between now and final cuts.
Del Rio also discussed deep ball execution, since there was a bit of a controversy about David Garrard throwing wide receiver Mike Thomas under the bus for Garrard's pass that was picked off by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Brent Grimes. Del Rio obviously avoided commenting directly on that, but he did say a few interesting things.
"We continue to call up shots, just either get off them and don't throw them, or don't throw them well or don't connect on them enough," Jack Del Rio said about the team taking deep shots in the past. "But as we do it'll become a stronger part of our offense."
Del Rio was asked if there would be more emphasis on taking shots down the field, "...we went into that game Friday night with the idea that we would take some shots down the field. We took a couple early and I'd like us to be more efficient." Del Rio added, "When you look down the field if it's not there, drop it down and make a positive play."
Del Rio seemed to indicate that these shots down the field have been called in the past, but just haven't materialized. "Sure, and then the more you're successful at it, if you dial one up and you take a sack then it doesn't make you feel real good about calling another one. The play-caller is going to react how the plays are being run, how effective we are at carrying out the assignments and if we're carrying out the assignments at a high level you'll see more of it," said the Jaguars head coach. Del Rio continued, "But in the end you've got to be able to execute and you've got to be able to move the ball and score points."
Also, I've been told Del Rio was praising Luke McCown on his radio show this afternoon, noting how McCown has been the best quarterback in camp and really taken on the mentor role with Blaine Gabbert in the film room, etc. I personally haven't listened to it yet, however.
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"It's very likely David Garrard is the Jaguars opening day starter, but I don't believe for a second it's set in stone at the moment."
That’s cute.
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I'm willing to drink the Kool-ade, but I'm hungry for the truth.
It is what you’ve said all offseason. Of course, “David Garrard is our starter.” is what JDR has been saying all offseason.
Now the question is: Who do I believe? A blogger who has nothing to gain or lose and no input on the decision, or a man whose (multi-million dollar) job depends on his making the correct decision and has watched both players all summer?
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
it's cute that you're still trying though.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you are starting to sound very dumb and ignorant
i used to respect your opinion, but now it looks like you won’t hop off Alfie’s nuts. Please stop being a douch.
Can't stand the truth?
just gotta get one in is all.
I don’t actually write here anymore.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If we’re just taking shots then, are you going to make a top 10 reasons “why Garrard should start” slideshow?
/zing
by Alfie Crow on Aug 23, 2011 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
If only...
They got me writing “The (insert number) most overrated players in Madden ’12.”
blech
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of which...
can anybody link me to a site that has the full Madden 12 rosters ratings?
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
oy...
number one is gonna be Peyton Hillis, cuz he’s a 95 some crazy how, but woodhead would be a good one also.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would JDR say anything different?
Of course Garrard is the starter. Until he is not the starter.
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by JPQ! on Aug 23, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why would he not say there's a competition going on
if there was one ? What would he have to lose ?
If Gabbert had won the job he should be taking ALL of the reps with the first team in practice and in the pre-season games to give him the most experience. Anything less than that would be irresponsible.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
Why didn’t he say there was one in 2007?
It doesn’t benefit anyone to make things like thh public. All it does is create a circus. It’s best kept inside.
The job isn’t won by anyone yet. Garrard can slam the door shut Saturday, however.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 23, 2011 8:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All it does it create a circus.
Much like the one you’re creating here, Alfie?
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Alfie is media
JDR is a coach. There’s a difference.
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by Jagmania28 on Aug 23, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The "QB Controversy" was created by the media
I still have faith in Garrard to win us games. I still am of the belief that Gabbert is best kept on the sidelines to develop until Garrard’s last tire falls off, and that Garrard is better than the rookie for the time being.
I wish other Jags fans felt the same way, so that we don’t get boo’ing from the stands as soon as DG throws a pick this season. As soon as that happens, our team will fall apart for the 2011 season.
Having confidence in a QB starts with the coach and ends with the fans. The media plays a role in the middle somewhere.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree to an extent
but in all honsety, Garrard is a serviceable QB who can win you games when he has all the pieces around him. That doesnt sound like a QB who can easily beat out a rookie. Especially a rookie who was a top ten pick. I think the best player should play, but I also don’t think Garrard should get treatment like he is a top ten QB who puts the team on his back. Also, if Garrard plays awful against the Bills and Gabbert plays well, then what do you do? I understand it is all hypothetical, but we still have two more games so I dont believe anything til the preseason is over. The only thing I can say is that i really thought Garrard would step up his game this offseason and show he can flat out win the job. Its looking more like neither one of them has won it so were just resorting to the veteran. I dont like that from a guy who was supposed to have a fire lit inside.
by Dwalk1217 on Aug 23, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's the "controversy"?
Other than what’s going on here on BCC?
Commentators are ignorant. Sports writers, local and national, are ignorant. And everyfreakin’body writing here (including yours truly) is ignorant.
No one saw Alualu. No one saw Gabbert. No one sees what goes on in coaches’ meetings.
You think you know, but you don’t know. I like Vic’s perspective: I like to watch.
Poor Alfie. You just ain’t gonna get any peace until you stop mentioning Garrard— ever.
Section 442, RIP
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by unhipcat on Aug 23, 2011 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I like to watch.
My favorite Vicism of all time.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
You though you were allowed to have your own opinions? Psssh, you should be more like one of those famous talking-head writers that have no opinions; just jump on the information bandwagon. After all, you’re not bleeding Teal unless you eat your Garrard-Os for breakfast.
I agree
3rd preseason game is has close as you get to playing the regular season. Let Garrad play the first 3 or 4 series then put the kid in…. best mann wins. Even tho were playing the Bills its still starters on starters. I hope Garrad wins the job, but, if the kid beats him out, i can live with it.
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by jeremybaldwin on Aug 23, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
meaningless words from Del Rio.
no one’s roster is ever set in stone. preseason, during the season, and offseason. something i’ve preached often.
Sean
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by cuffs007 on Aug 23, 2011 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
you sure do preach!
Will have more info as to tailgate site on Opening day. Definitely want you to join us. Still debating on the menu.
I love how you are trying to keep the QB fire going
You’ve made your dislike for Garrard very apparent, and it looks like you’re stuck with at least 1 more regular season game with him under center.
Have patience. It will pay off in the end for Gabbert.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
I love it
One big difference between now and then is that Garrard wasn’t a rookie. He had actually played in games. Not always well, but he had played in the NFL before.
I’m as ready as anyone for improved play from the QB position and will welcome whoever gives the team the best chance to win.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
Something else we should take into account
EVERYONE in the organization is in agreement about Garrard being the opening day starter. I know sometimes Gene Smith can be secretive, but I’ve never known him to be a liar.
Nope, the whole team is obviously dissembling.
Liars, all of them.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 24, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
nah, hate to disagree with the ewdtrey… but i cant believe that EVERYONE is in agreement in the Jaguars organization
Sean
Pax Armis Acquiritur
Let's see
Wayne Weaver
Jack Del Rio
Gene Smith
Terry McDonough
Dirk Koetter
Garrard
Gabbert
Maurice Jones Drew
Marcedes Lewis
Mike Thomas
Uche Nwaneri
John Oehser
All of these guys have agreed that Garrard should be the starter to start the year. That’s pretty much everyone who has a opinion that counts.
Has there been anyone that’s been in the organization for at least a year that has said otherwise?
Did they say Garrard should be the starter to start the year?
or Garrard is the starter? There is a difference
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 24, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
From Tania Ganguli's twitter:
actually, Vito asked [JDR] if Garrard will start opening day and he said “yeah”
So…decide for yourself.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 24, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I missing somthing..
is JDR the Head Coach? pretty sure he decides who is the starter
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 24, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if Gene trades Garrard
:-)
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
I believe that every starting QB in the NFL should be able to make all of the throws
David can’t make all of the throws, and I believe that blaine can. I also feel like Blaine can see the field much better than Garrard. Gabbert Should start next game so he can play with the 1’s.
Can't stand the truth?
I do agree
That Blaine can make more throws. He has not, however, shown that he will do so consistently. Ability counts for a lot, and eventually it will make the kid our starter, but it isn’t everything, which is why he doesn’t start yet.
by smy on Aug 23, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let's see
do you even know what it means to be able to make all the throws?
Garrard most definitely has the arm to make every throw asked of a QB and some. The true test is the deep out, and Garrard most definitely can make that throw. Even his most harsh knowledgeable critics agree on that.
Maybe he can make all the throws
From a physical standpoint, as in yes, physically he CAN make the throws. The problem is he too often fails to do so. Even the most supportive Garrard fans can agree with that. If not, talk to Mike Thomas and Marcedes Lewis last week.
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There are many starters in the NFL
Who can’t make all the throws. Some of them look like they could be good players (Colt McCoy).
I want to see Colt in a cold weather mudder before I pass judgment
He’s a gutsy kid, no doubt, but I need to see him perform in awful weather.
And in breaking news tonight from everbank field
Jaguar ticket sales come to a screeching halt……
by Slawsc on Aug 23, 2011 8:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Would you agree that if Garrard
plays the entire first half against Buffalo that he’s probably going to be starting on Sept 11th ?
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
If he plays well, probably. It’s all up to Garrard.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 23, 2011 8:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's a quote I just read from Gene Smith on Jaguars.com
*He(Gene Smith) is impressed overall with the draft class. "Will Rackley has fit from Day One," he said. "Blaine Gabbert fits as well, it’s just more difficult for a quarterback to come into the NFL as a rookie and play."
He had absolutely no reason to say something like that if he didn’t actually feel that he wasn’t ready to play.
As I’ve said before, I don’t care who the QB is. If McCown gives the team a better chance to win, let him start. My eyes have told me watching Gabbert that he’s not ready yet. Very talented, sure. But not ready and the team doesn’t need to start him until he is.
Here's hoping we have NFL football in 2011
by pksiv on Aug 23, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would Gene Smith say any different? Honestly, why?
What benefit would there be to saying otherwise, aside from creating a circus?
by Alfie Crow on Aug 23, 2011 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He wasn't ask a question about who the starting QB is?
That’s why he had no reason to say anymore.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
that quote was rather ambiguous in all honesty
Difficult is not the same as impossible. I and most other people in the “Blaine can do it” camp have stated that the main thing going against him as far as starting immediately was the lockout. The rookie cap and lockout have made the decision easier for the team. Garrard’s injury and, what would the word be that would not offend you guys, would it be “pedestrian” play vs. Atlanta has kept the door cracked a little bit.
You, Brian and Conservative cannot deny that Gabbert, given the time he has had in the facility, has made some passes and plays that have not been seen around here for a while. The key with Gabbert will be whether he can learn from his mistakes and limit the number of similar errors.
Of course, the cynic in me says that JDR has no choice but to say this. If he says Gabbert is in the lead (he is not) and Garrard has to play out of his mind in Buffalo, then he would kill any trade value that David might have.
by Joe Fisher on Aug 23, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course, there's also the possibility that Jack is saying Garrard will start...
because Garrard will start.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's see what transpires on Opening Day, huh?
The only thing that would absolutely shock me would be #12 or #4 starting vs. Tennessee.
I wouldn't be tremendously surprised.
If you think Gabbert only needs a month or so more of practice and reps why commit to Garrards salary. Trade Garrard, use #12 to get you through a month and then let the kid in. It’s possible there’s not a whole lot of dropoff between Garrard and McCown.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Aug 24, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It's possible that's not even close to right.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 24, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't confuse them with logic
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
I have never denied
that Gabbert has a lot of skill. I just don’t think he’s ready. It’s really pretty simple.
As for what JDR and Gene Smith really think, since you people believe they’re lying. Forget about trade value, if you feel Blaine Gabbert is your guy he should be getting ALL the reps to prepare him for the season. ALL of the First team reps in practice. All of the first team reps in the pre-season games. Forget about trade value, you need to win the damn games.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
Gene Smith is one of the most cryptic GMs I've ever seen
He doesn’t speak in platitudes and talk just to hear himself speak or read his words in print.
I'm sorry,
but it’s up to JDR, and like alot of Jag fans, the decision who should start, was made some time ago
I was thinking the same thing
I think that is a more germane comparison than 07
I think Dave can hold the kid off though. We will see. I am excited, I think we could be pretty good either way. Tough division though.
About 2007....
Figured I’d actually take a second to look at how the 2007 preseason played out. Here’s what I found.
Through the first three weeks of the preseason,
David Garrard was 29 of 37 for 379 yards, 1 TD, no INTs. Passer ratings of 104.4, 105.1, and 158.3
Byron Leftwich was 19 of 38 for 226 yards, 1 TD, no INTs. Passer ratings of 126.3, 71.9, and 50.8
That’s how you win a QB battle.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Preseason not over
The preseason isn’t over yet. Its not like Garrard played lights out last week.
by jeremybaldwin on Aug 23, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
neither one of them is winning the battle
Del Rio is just having to resort to the fact that the veteran wins out because of experience. Also, saying that gabbert has played with the ones is bs considering MJD has not played a snap. Neither of our QBs has had a chance to play with one of the best RBs in the game who changes defensive gameplans. I expect the QB performance to improve when MJD returns to the field.
very nice observation w/ MJD.
He does add quite a big threat. And Rashad Jennings did not play against Atlanta either.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s it look like right now?
by Alfie Crow on Aug 23, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gabbert 20 of 39, 181 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT ( 2 games )
Garrard 7 of 12, 99 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT
McCown 8 of 9, 86 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT
Bouman 2 of 10, 35 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT
i dont know passer ratings
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's what's relevant:
Garrard won the job with 76.6% completions and a rating of 113.4 for the preseason in 2007.
Gabbert has completed 51.3% of his passes and has a rating of 64.2 in this preseason.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Garrard’s number in 2007 were “wow” numbers.
Gabbert’s numbers this year are “meh” numbers.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
But what are Garrard’s numbers? We’re not comparing Gabbert to 2007 Garrard. We’re comparing Gabbert to 2011 Garrard.
Again, it’s been two preseason games. Nothing is set in stone yet.
"Nothing is set in stone yet."
“Yeah. David’s our starter. I said that all spring,’’ Del Rio told the media when asked if Garrard would start the season opener.”
Apparently “yes” is not a good enough answer to a yes/no question if you don’t like the answer?
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Explain 2007, then. Del Rio said the same things up until final cuts.
Was he lying then or telling the truth? You can’t have it both ways.
See below.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you show us some quotes from 2007. Exactly what was said ?
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
The media kept asking Del Rio how he felt about Leftwich saying the preseason wasn’t a big deal and fans shouldn’t panic. Del Rio answered by saying: "Yeah, I would have to agree with him wholeheartedly. We have been hard at work throughout the offseason, throughout the OTAs, training camp, preseason, and there are a lot of things that go into it. Preseason is certainly not the time to try and draw conclusions."
This was after the Green Bay game.
Wouldn't you agree that there was a massive difference in the level of play between Leftwich's and Garrard's?
The kind of difference that wouldn’t prompt anyone to write that apparently no one wants to win the starting job?
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure there was.
There hasn’t been this preseason, however with a 10 year vet against a top 10 pick rookie. Again: It’s been two games. There’s two more left.
...
Right, there is no gaping gulf between their levels of play, the kind that would cause a firmly entrenched starter to suddenly not be entrenched and overrule what the entire team is saying right now and has been saying for months.
I’m sorry, but if that doesn’t cause even a twinge of cognitive dissonance for you, then there’s nothing else to discuss. Agree to disagree, I guess.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Kindly point me to this gaping gulf in their levels of play that is keeping Garrard firmly entrenched in his job.
Have at it.
Speaking of cognitive dissonance… why has it been so difficult for a 10 year veteran, who’s started at least 10 games since 2006, who’s in the 5th year of the same offensive system to distance himself to be head and shoulders better than a rookie with no offseason and 4 weeks of practice? That doesn’t ring a bell, at all?
I enjoy when our website uses big words.
cognitive dissonance…hats what she said!
Wait, what?
Fidelis Ad Mortem
lol
it’s one of my favorite terms.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
3 syllable or less words only please ha
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
by TheTealDeal on Aug 23, 2011 9:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha, cognitive and dissonance both make your cut!
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
then im happy
:)
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
by TheTealDeal on Aug 23, 2011 10:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
...no? hint?
My point is this: in 2007, it took a huge (and frankly unexpected, given what Garrard had shown previous to then) difference in performance to overrule a whole offseason’s and preseason’s worth of assurances from the team that the starter was firmly entrenched as the starter.
Fast forward to now: there is no huge difference in performance that threatens the status quo. And except for huge house cleanings and regime changes, teams like the status quo and stability, especially at quarterback. There’s absolutely nothing indicating things should change, except a segment of fans that want things to change. That’s it. There’s nothing else driving this, least of all anything coming from the team and the decision makers.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Except for the fact
That a 10 year vet, 5 year starter is playing at the same level as a one-month rookie. And also that the vet is making the same stupid mistakes as always. And the fact that the rookie is making throws Garrard has never made. Not saying the kid should start, but there are plenty of reasons as to argue why he should.
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by Jagmania28 on Aug 23, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Am I saying things should change? No, I’m not. I’m saying they could change. You seem rather intelligent, I’m sure you can see the difference in saying should and could.
You said there was a gaping gulf in their levels of play. Suddenly, when asked to point to the gulf in their level of play… there is no huge difference in performance?
Which is it? There is no difference, or there’s a huge gulf? It can’t be both.
Again, my point is that there’s nothing indicating things could change and no reason to be talking about a quarterback controversy, aside from wishful thinking. If both quarterbacks keep playing exactly like how they have, nothing’s changing. Sure, things could change. I could also win the lottery tomorrow. Is it likely? No. Should I be writing articles saying how I am going to prepare to win the lottery tomorrow? No.
In case I wasn’t clear: I’m saying there was a huge gulf in 2007, while there is no such gulf in 2011. Wasn’t trying to have it both ways.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ding Ding Ding......
Garrad will be traded by the deadline this year. You guys know this. They’re gonna use a couple regular season games to give Gabbert more time. Garrad will be traded to the Vikings.
B.MILLS
garraRd ><
I let it go the first 3 times
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Garrard is going to be traded
it will have to be before the first game of the season, when his contract is not guaranteed and his salary can still be negotiated.
Seriously
Coachspeak guys. Alfie, nor anyone else, is saying that JDR is absolutely going to start Gabbert over Garrard even though he’s saying Garrard is the starter. They’re just saying that you can’t take the coaches comments and close out any possibility of a competition.
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Is David Jones locked in a competition to beat Rashean Mathis for the starting cornerback position?
JDR didn’t say yes, but he didn’t say no, either. And this is actually less ridiculous because JDR hasn’t said yes, unlike about the quarterback situation.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
JDR doesn't have to say that
because he knows that we know that David Jones is not very good at all, whereas Rashean is a decent CB. There’s no real challenge there. On the other hand, Garrard the veteran really hasn’t played any better than Gabbert the rookie, and vice versa.
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Can you prove there isn't a competition for Rashean's starting job?
I save you some time: no, especially if you don’t believe the coaches when they say no. Now, why is that?
Because it’s very hard to prove a negative. It’s difficult to prove the absence of something, be it a competition for the quarterback position or a tiny coffee cup floating somewhere in the asteroid belt. But just because you can’t prove an absence doesn’t mean that proves that there is in fact anything there. It’s a common logical fallacy.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Better example:
a competition for MJD’s job. He’s been injured, he has barely taken snaps, his backups have looked pretty good…. you’d be hard-pressed to prove there’s no competition for his job, since he has a big salary that wouldn’t belong on the bench (like Garrard) and the coaches say there is no competition for starting RB (which they may or may not be lying about).
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Good argument
Except for the fact that MJD has always been a dominant back his entire career. Not a mediocre QB every year. Why would they bench their best player?
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but there's been no difference in their performances this preseason, which obviously counts so much.
If one of the best players in the league can’t outperform a bunch of low-round picks in the preseason, shouldn’t that say something?
(answer: no, but that’s the exact argument being used to say there’s a quarterback competition. except that MJD – by virtue of being one of the best backs in the league – should be outperforming the backs on this team by even more than Garrard should be outperforming the quarterbacks)
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
....
Ummmmmmm, MJD isn’t playing at the same level as the other backs. He’s not playing at all. So how could he possibly outperform the others when he’s injured? It’s not the same argument at all, and if you think it is, I’m a little concerned.
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Oh man, he's injured?! He must not be very durable! Or consistent! Panic!
I guess it doesn’t matter Garrard’s been injured too? Isn’t cherry-picking fun?!
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, that sounds like something I’d ask JDR to explain. And I’d believe his answer too.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd certainly know more than I would about that answer, since he's with the team every day, and I'm in Ohio.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaches always obfuscate the truth...
except Ozzie Guillen. That guy is awesome, and says whatever the heck he is feeling.
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I'm not qualified to answer the question.
I don’t have any examples of him lying to the media, which is what he would 100% be doing if there was a quarterback competition when he repeatedly said there wasn’t. And don’t bring up 2007, because we’ve already agreed that a massive and unexpected difference in play level existed then, one that doesn’t exist now. So far, there’s nothing this year that would force his hand like that.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can’t we bring up 2007? Because that blows the idea up that everything they say isn’t 100% true?
You’re talking like the preseason is over. There’s two games left. A difference can be made, be either player.
Alfie, come on, you seem like an intelligent guy too.
For the last time, 2007 =/= 2011 because, unlike in 2007, there is no enormous difference in performance level in 2011. The preseason’s not over, but show me anything that indicates that a huge difference like 2007 can still happen this season. In 2007, it was already becoming glaringly obvious from the moment training camp opened; there’s nothing like that in 2011.
There is no evidence that even hints this will happen, but of course if things drastically change, then things drastically change. If Garrard goes 1/15 for 4 yards, 3 fumbles, and then has to be physically restrained from assaulting a reporter in the locker room after the game, that’s obviously a huge change. Is that likely to happen? No, because Garrard is not Ryan Leaf.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re going to make the argument that not taking what Del Rio says at face value is me reading more into it, then you’ve got to believe he tells the truth 100% of the time.
You can pick and chose when he does and doesn’t. He either does, or he doesn’t.
I really hate playing semantics, but being evasive is not the same thing as flat-out lying. If there is a quarterback competition, then JDR’s flat-out lying when he says there isn’t. That’s completely different than omitting some details or trying to mislead other teams.
“Yeah. David’s our starter. I said that all spring,’’ Del Rio told the media when asked if Garrard would start the season opener.
That’s a simple yes/no answer to a simple yes/no question. There’s no wiggle room. If he’s a liar liar pants on fire, then he is, but I don’t think he is.
All I’m saying is that there’s nothing indicating that he’s lying about this, and there is nothing being said by him or being played out on the field that indicates that Garrard is in any danger. That’s my bottom line. You’re entitled to believe whatever you want and read between, into, and through the lines, but I just don’t believe there’s anything to it. That’s our disagreement, and it will remain our disagreement.
(and thanks for the intelligent discussion. i’d like to think it’d be fun to spar with you over beers someday)
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He has not said there wasn’t a competition though, ever.
Omitting details and misleading is the same thing as lying.
i just wanted to make a long reply so i could see how far over to the right this comment thread could go. i guess i wont really know until i hit Post, huh? Well, i think i’ve taken up enough of your time for now.
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We’re back to proving a negative, which neither of us can do.
Who is to say that JDR would be telling the truth if he did say there was a competition? Maybe it’d just be a motivational ploy. I mean, if you’re not going to believe him if he says that Garrard is and will be the starter, then why should you believe him if he says there’s a quarterback competition?
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa...that JDR is a clever bastard.
hes an enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a plaid blazer.
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Lol
I don’t think he’s nearly that smart, which is why I generally believe him when he gives straight yes/no answers.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not it really doesnt matter
Seeing as how no one has said that Garrard is inconsistent or average because he’s injured. It’s because he’s just that: average. Like Alfie said, they were splitting reps BEFORE Garrard got hurt.
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Because Rashad Jennings is also a monster
Good thing you can split RB time, which we should see more of this season
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats actually a worse example
MJD is one the best players in this league, no comparison to the QB situation there
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 23, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
They haven’t drafted a CB in the top ten, trading away a 2nd round pick to move up and get him. They haven’t split reps. I am in no wy saying there is for sure a QB competition, I’m saying it’s naive to totally dismiss the idea, just because the coach said something. Funny how coaches can never tell you who’s playing in a regular season game until an hour before kickoff sometime, but now all of the sudden we know who the opening day starter is 3 weeks in advance. Just let it play out.
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Your whole argument is based on the idea that even though Del Rio has said Garrard will start, it could be like in 2007 where the team makes a change at the last second. I’m saying when Garrard was competing to take the starting job, he looked great.
Gabbert is competing to take the starting job now, and he looks pretty pedestrian.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So does Garrard.
So, what you’re saying is if Garrard goes out and has a repeat of the Falcons game against Buffalo, and Gabbert looks really, really good… much ado about nothing?
Tell you what...
If Gabbert has a passer rating over 100 after next weeks game, give me a call. I’ll get on my webcam and formally endorse Gabbert as the starting QB.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not asking you to endorse anyone as the starting quarterback.
Answer the question: If Garrard bombs and Gabbert does well, there’s nothing to see or think about?
I'll say it
If Garrard looks bad and Gabbert looks like he can actually handle the job. I’d fully support him. But right now I’d be McCown has a better chance to start week 1 then Gabbert.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
McCown does have a history against 1st stringers in the NFL.
It may be relatively small, but there is definitley a history. I, personally, would have no problem if McCown was named the starter. Obviously a little more playing time this preseason would be wise, however.
by Conservative on Aug 23, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
December 2007, Tampa vs NO
313yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT, and the win
by Conservative on Aug 23, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
1 TD is wow?
There were a lot of internal machinations in play in the 2007 preseason as well. JDR and Leftwich were not exactly on each other’s Christmas card list after Leftwich put himself on IR the year before.
76.6% completion is wow. Passer rating of 113.4 is wow.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Good question. What is that? Because it’s not relevant to the battle between Garrard and Gabbert.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
You keeping bringing up 2007 numbers and Gabbert’s 2011 numbers. Why won’t you bring up Garrard’s 2011 numbers? Is it because his rating is worse than Gabbert’s?
Somebody already posted Garrard's numbers.
Look up.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This point has already been made.
In 2007, there was a big difference.
In 2011, very little difference.
by Conservative on Aug 23, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
what is relevant...
Garrard is proven to be mediocre at best, is due 8MM, and has a bad back.
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passer rating?
Come on man! It rewards cautious play, i.e. game management.
Why do you think centers in basketball typically have a higher field goal percentage than point guards but lower free throw percentage?
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Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You're assuming there was ever a competition
I still contend there wasn’t. They don’t think he’s mentally ready yet.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
If there was never a competition, what was the point of giving Gabbert first team reps before Garrard was injured?
To give the rookie some experience
and move him along. They said as much as soon as they drafted him that Garrard would get X%, Gabbert Y% etc… they had already said that they would give him extra work to help in his learning.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
by pksiv on Aug 23, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If there was never an intention for there to be a competition, why do you up the rookies reps to expedite his learning process? If the plan all along was to let him learn and develop, why give him all of those reps?
uh,
to learn and develop ?
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
by pksiv on Aug 23, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You've written several times
that you don’t think he can learn if he’s not in a real game so I would think you’d agree that reps with the first team would be a good thing. Especially when you have a 10 year vet who knows the offense.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
by pksiv on Aug 23, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so the Packers gave Rodgers 1st team reps with Favre, Pats are giving Mallett reps
Steelers with Dixon, Saints with Chase Daniels, etc.
Well, to be fair -
Curtiis Painter is getting reps with Colts 1st team.
Much to the Colts chagrin. Hahahahahahahahaha
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To train Gabbert for the future. He will have to start at some point and getting reps with the 1s in practice will help him prepare.
Of course, playing in meaningful games is a whole different situation.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 23, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So, you train Gabbert for the future by giving him reps with the first team offense while your starter is perfectly healthy?
Really? That makes sense to you?
Yes. Perfect sense.
You noticed that a healthy Tom Brady sat out the entire first preseason game didn’t you ?
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
In fairness
They wanted to know what the kid could do.
Garrard can’t do certain things that Koetter wants to. Not because he is a bad player, but he has limitations. I don’t blame the staff for giving Blaine some reps with the ones.
Also, from a different point of view: comparing other QB situations to our own is not necessarily telling. Just because he got first team reps doesnt mean anything other than the staff felt that it would be a good training method.
None of us really knows. Hence the debate.
Good training for what, if there is no QB competition?
If there is no competition, there is absolutely no reason for Gabbert to split time with the first team. At all. That is ABNORMAL.
The competition started when the Jags traded up to 10th overall to draft a Quarterback
Doesn’t matter who the quarterback is
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I am inclined to agree
Which I clearly stated man, so lets not get back into a back and forth thing.
In fact, I am saying that there is potential that the Jags want to know exactly what they have in their 1st round pick, and that the only way to measure that accurately is with the 1st team. It isn’t NORMAL, to your point, but that doesn’t mean it isnt possible.
This
You don’t spend a 10th overall on a guy to not see what he’s made of.
You also don’t spend a 10th overall on a Quarterback if you’re not looking to replace your current one. It doesn’t mean he’s gonna start this season though.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I love his story and I think you'll get what I'm saying with all respect
The time will come in a couple years when he’s knows as simply one tough football player and not primarily as a cancer surviving football player.
Agreed...he already is to me and my fellow BC fans.
Can’t wait to see them vs UCF Sept 10…night before Opening Day!!!
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Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Im looking fwd to Garrard having THAT game against Buffalo where he looks like a top tier QB – and to finally shut the door on this QB competition talk.
by jerranamo on Aug 23, 2011 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would love to see it
If I can see something close to Dallas Garrard, I’m great. Problem is we see Dallas Garrard and San Diego Garrard during the same game way too often
I thought San Diego Garrard had a lot of bad luck
Philadelphia Garrard is the guy I am scared of.
Philadelphia Jaguars, to be precise.
All the talk from the people saying there’s still a quarterback competition sounds like a lot of wishful thinking on their part. I’m sorry that some are still sore that Leftwich was cut in 2007. But even when you trying to make something out of nothing, there’s still nothing there. Could it be possible that there’s actually not a giant conspiracy, and maybe – just maybe – the team is telling the truth?
You either believe what the coach and GM are saying, or you don’t. And if you don’t, why are you bothering to interview them at all?
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i think we can ALL agree that noone is sore about Leftwich being cut.
by jerranamo on Aug 23, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sadly, there absolutely are people out there (in here) that think Leftwich wasn't given a fair shake.
I guess he didn’t get a fair shake everywhere else he flamed out, too.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for asking!
And thereby making my point that I have at least as much evidence to back my statement as the ones saying that there is in fact a quarterback competition have backing their statements.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol
So your admitting that you just made up some random fact to prove…. idk. to prove what exactly?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 23, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
(hint: I didn’t make it up, see below)
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
From what i see below
still looks like you made it up
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 23, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure. It’s also possible they’re not.
No one’s saying there is some conspiracy. But, what has the team done to make you believe at face value at what they say in Week 2 of the preseason?
Let’s not pretend like Del Rio and Smith are transparent.
It’s not about believing what coaches GMs say. It’s about how they say it and the way it’s said.
Side note
is anyone on here having a hell of a time viewing jaguars.com? it’s all f’ed up looking at it on firefox for me…
I have no problems with Firefox 6.0
Clear your cache
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
this quote is interesting from GS, gives me the idea even he isn't really sure who the starter should be (he can override JDR if he wanted to)
and the quarterback that is going to be our starter gets more reps with the players he’s going to be throwing the ball to, you’re not going to have the timing that people would like to see at this point.
Waber-Jaguar
How did you read
“It’s harder for a QB” as saying that he was ready ?
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
The same way you read it as “not ready”.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 23, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand why its a big deal to even say there is a competition...
is David so fragile that he can’t take a little competition? I mean, that was the goal…right? To light a fire under DG with a top 10 pick of a QB who would compete for the spot, thereby raising DGs game (to fend the new guy off) for this season?
Why is it so hard to just say – yes. There is a competition, because Garrard has not looked great and has been hurt to boot?
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It's not hard to say there's a competition
Which is why I believe the coaches when they say there isn’t one.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
by pksiv on Aug 23, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HOOOOOOO
This thread gettin’ BLOWN UP RIGHT NOW!!
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
you guys realize that every thread on Gabbert v Garrard gets about 150 comments minimum?
Alfie, you need to deploy pop up ads for every comment.
Good thing we all care
We just forget we are rooting for the same team
naah. It's called being a passionate fan
I think we want to see the best from Garrard consistently. Thing is there are folks like me who are quite certain he doesn’t have a Jim Plunkett type track left in him, especially given the injuries and beating he’s taken since 2007. He’s now an old 33. Full consistency I know, but too many peaks and valleys and in the end, not much to show for it. I think the fact that this is the first time the team has addressed the qb position since 2003, and with the uptick of internet and blogs, there is a hell of a lot of passion on both sides.
O absolutely
I agree. Not necessarily with your conclusion, but with your assessment.
I am just glad there are other Jags fans on the planet
Try growing up in Richmond VA and rooting for a team other than the Skins
Nah
NYC
But we felt it here too. All the way up to Toronto.
Everyone in VA is traumatized
I dropped a french fry, a friend of mine’s papers fell off his desk.
Alfie is a genius...
he knows what draws hits…he puts fannies in the seats as they say in baseball.
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by JPQ! on Aug 23, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can we talk about the defense
Loved seeing Cox stride for stride with Julio Jones the other night
Love seeing Alualu make Del Rio credible “He’s going to be a force”
Love Greene in run support
Love Knighton splitting a double team in spite of the extra spare tire he seems to be lugging around.
Love to see Posluszny once he gets the defense down.
I talked about the defense, wide receivers, offensive line, etc. Those just don’t seem to get nearly the comments……
it's low hanging fruit
Some people believe (fair or unfair, right or wrong) that this is your shtick, which is similar to Prisco in that you can’t stand David Garrard. I did at first when I started on the site, but after reading a little closer, you’ve pointed out many of the same things that other media does. I’ve seen bad SB Nation site managers, like the ass in Indianapolis or the guy who runs the Edmonton Oilers site.
Problem is, criticizing performance is often taken as criticizing the person personally, which amazingly enough, is what people claim with a 3rd stringer in Denver.
by Joe Fisher on Aug 23, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I rec'd this.
Sorry for thinking you were BBS, Alfie.
Though to be fair, it’s the nature of the quarterback position that it’s going to be the focus of the most attention.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Starting by midseason?
Depends on Jason Hill I guess
But Shorts looks like more than a slot guy to me
I think it's likely Shorts and Thomas eventually switch places, with Hill remaining at #2.
Thomas has always looked good in the slot.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thomas is good with the LOS passes
and reverses.
We couldn’t use him like that in the slot.
But I agree. Cecil could play that role as long as he doesn’t fumble the next reverse they hand him
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 23, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Here you go, alfie - How about these words from JDR:
“But in the end you’ve got to be able to execute and you’ve got to be able to move the ball and score points.”
I agree wholeheartedly. I have waited 5 years for Garrard to show us he can do so.
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If he didn't show you last year when he got the franchise TD record, did you feel the same about Leftwich and Brunell?
by Conservative on Aug 23, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I did about Leftwich, but Brunell was before my time as a Jaguar fan.
And, to be honest, that record is weak – 23 Tds? 15 guys threw 23+ last year. Thats not a big deal.
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Can people stop saying that like its a huge accomplishment.
It was 23 TDs, calm down. I could see if it were 50, or possibly 40 or even 30 but c’mon, this team has always been run 1st, that Franchise TD record was at 20 before this year, smh
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 23, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say it wasn't pretty good
Its just not the monumental achievement everyone keeps making it out to be.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 23, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I am just saying
It isnt about the absolute total
Try looking at it relative to his attempts
If he had the same number of attempts as he did in 2008 or 2009, he wouldve had well over thirty (at that clip)
Maybe, maybe not. In 4 of Garrard’s games he didn’t throw a TD last year. Then in 4 games he had 3 or more.
If you’re going to parse it, you’ve got to parse it all around.
I said at that clip
But youre right, anything is possible
But based on what I said, and his TD percentage, the point holds
I used it for one thing and one thing only.
As a comparison to Leftwich and Brunell.
by Conservative on Aug 23, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I hear ya
And It would terrible if someone took that, flipped it, redefined it, misinterpreted it and then used the new fabrication to argue a point you never made wouldn’t it.? i think that would suck.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 23, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
C’mon man… the franchise record was 20. 17 guys in 2010 threw at least 20 touchdown passes. That means half the NFL would have set the franchise record.
It’s cool Garrard has the franchise record and all… but it’s not like it’s anything special.
It's still a franchise record
if it were easy to do, then Byron would’ve done it. Or certainly Brunell when we passed the ball a lot more and certainly had better overall talent on the roster in the late 90’s.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
Byron probably would have done it in 2005, he was on pace. But then we all know what happened.
I’m actually kind of stunned 20 was Brunell’s peak. Then again, I think Brunell was always way overrated by Jaguars fans.
As you said, it’s still the franchise record but let’s not prop it up more than what it was.
Overrated?
The guy was being treated like Garrard when Leftwich was drafted.
He was pretty damn good for a few years, and without the injury, who knows?
Then again: Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell
He certainly was. When you hear fans talk about him now, it’s a lot fonder than what he was. He was a good player, but the longer we are removed from his days in Jacksonville, the better he gets.
People talk about him like he should go in the Ring of Honor. I don’t think he should even sniff it.
Fair enough
I am just saying, his welcome had run out.
He wasnt being spoken of fondly in 2003
Incidentally that is what losing does
remember
With Blaine Gabbert’s left-handed pass last week, he became the first Jaguars quarterback to throw lefty since 2003.
I used it for one thing and one thing only
As a comparison to Leftwich and Brunell.
Quit putting words in my mouth. ;)
by Conservative on Aug 23, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Brunell and company
Got as far as the afc championship
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
by TheTealDeal on Aug 23, 2011 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
and that nothing to do with how much better those Defenses were than the ones Garrard has had over the past 3 years ?
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
We’ve gone over this before, I believe Garrard’s actually had better defenses. At least in overall ranking.
Different era’s, though.
And the years he had a high ranked defense
the team did pretty well. It certainly hasn’t been very highly ranked the past 3 seasons.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
True
But David never had a team like 1999
Jimmy Smith? that is all I have to say.
Not that I think Garrard is better than Brunell. To be clear. Just saying the teams are no comparison, and the Jags mightve gotten there in 2007 if they hadnt run into the best team in 4 decades
gahhhh nothing is guaranteed to get me as angry as thinking about those two drops
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 23, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
valud stuff
Just throwing it out there. There’s a lot of blood in the water in regards to discussion
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
by TheTealDeal on Aug 23, 2011 10:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Valid*
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
by TheTealDeal on Aug 23, 2011 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also
Looking forward to Prosinski next year with a year at this level and an extra ten pounds
Not going to get into this one
Don’t wanna be banned for being a fan giving his honest opinion.
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never personally attacked you
and never will. you made a comment about people putting words into your mouth, try not to put any into mine, thanks
Once a man has tasted freedom he will never be content to be a slave. That is why I believe that this frightfulness we see everywhere today is only temporary. Tomorrow will be better for as long as America keeps alive the ideals of freedom and a better life. -Walt Disney
sorry you took it that way
never was personal to me, until I started getting banned. Understood though.
Once a man has tasted freedom he will never be content to be a slave. That is why I believe that this frightfulness we see everywhere today is only temporary. Tomorrow will be better for as long as America keeps alive the ideals of freedom and a better life. -Walt Disney
don't want to get into this
was over a year ago and you proved your point by banning me and showing me you were in charge here. I get it. Moving on please. Oh…and I do apologize that it bothered you that much…not the intent
Once a man has tasted freedom he will never be content to be a slave. That is why I believe that this frightfulness we see everywhere today is only temporary. Tomorrow will be better for as long as America keeps alive the ideals of freedom and a better life. -Walt Disney
too many guys having their period right now? FFS. Take a break. Go hug your family. If you live alone, go hug a tree. like someone just said…. moving on….
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Wow
Couldn’t check BCC all day and when i do…WAR ENSEMBLE!
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If Luke has shown to be the best quarterback in camp then why hasn’t he been named as the starter? He’s the only one with a TD so far this preseson.
by Mustafa O'Flynn on Aug 24, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
Let's be realistic
JDR has stated that DG is the starting QB based on what he has seen thus. Anyone that has watched the preseason can clearly see that Gabbert hasnt done enough to move past Garrrard. I know there are those who say Garrard didnt play well in his one preseason game but that isnt a strong argument in that the organization already knows what they have in Garrard and however good or bad you believe that has been,Gabbert hasnt surpassed that level as of yet. Now, JDR saying that DG is the starting QB is based on the current status. Is there a possibility that it could change? Of course there is, but it doesnt mean the coach lied, it just means a set of circumstances forced him to an alternate decision. It’s been seen over and over where a coach claims a QB to be there starter only for that QB to have continual bad games to give the coach no choice to make a change. Nothing is for sure and youll never be able to dispute that argument. Do I always agree with Alfie? Certainly not but I think Alfie is a very smart man in one particular regard in that he writes in a manner that promotes and stimulates controversial conversation which gets BCC the hits and attention it seeks, while entertaining the readers.
by cbjags on Aug 24, 2011 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I believe he said Garrard is the starter...
not
JDR has stated that DG is the starting QB based on what he has seen thus
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 24, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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