When does it stop being "Just the preseason"?
Over the past three seasons, the Jacksonville Jaguars have a regular season record of 20-28. In those three seasons, the team has struggled both offensively and defensively in the preseason. For those three years and even through three preseason games, fans have been told "It's just the preseason."
Well, how long is it "just the preseason"?
The third preseason game is typically every team's dress rehearsal. The first team units generally play more than a half and teams will typically game plan a bit, to give it more of a regular season feel. Jaguars fans should absolutely hope that it wasn't a regular season feel, because they were absolutely handled by a Buffalo Bills team that finished 4-12 and was beaten handily by the Jaguars in 2010. The Jaguars defense, albeit missing starters Tyson Alualu, Clint Session, Aaron Kampman, and rotational end Jeremy Mincey, was absolutely shredded. Ryan Fitzpatrick had all day long to throw the ball and went right down the field with minimal effort against the Jaguars starting defense.Cornerback Rashean Mathis, who up until now had been fantastic, was beaten rather easily over the top in single coverage by Stevie Johnson. Derek Cox on the other side was routinely beaten for positive yards. Newly signed safety Dawan Landry overran quite a few plays and was late to break up a pass that wound up being a touchdown. Newly signed linebacker Paul Posluszny was beaten deep down the field by running back Fred Jackson for a long pass reception.
Point blank: The Bills did whatever they wanted on offense. Don't worry though, it's just the preseason.
So far in the 2010 preseason, Jaguars quarterback David Garrard completed 54.5% of his passes for 205 yards, 0 touchdowns, 1 interception and a QB rating of 60.8. The only drives that resulted in touchdowns for David Garrard were two drives that had more defensive penalty yards than offensive yards. Against a Buffalo Bills defense the Jaguars were able to carve up in 2010, the Jaguars were hardly able to even get out of their own way. Passing the football was a chore. Catching the football was a chore. Pass protection was a chore. Everything offensively was a chore.
Point blank: The Jaguars offense looked inept and actually worse than it did the previous week. Don't worry though, it's just the preseason.
When does it stop being just the preseason? When the regular season starts and we get the same thing that's been trotted out since 2008? Does Maurice Jones-Drew really mean the difference in the Jaguars offense being solid and totally inept? If he means that much to the offense, what does that say about the rest of the offense?
Jack Del Rio stressed all week that the offense needed to be more efficient than it was the previous week against the Falcons. What he got on the field was a big steaming pile of inefficiency. How's this correctable? I don't know. The issue with the quarterbacks has come down to the lesser of two evils with a 10 year veteran in the 5th season under the same offense and a rookie quarterback with just 5 weeks of practice under his belt. It shouldn't be this painful to watch someone try to step up and take hold of the position and eliminate all questions.
Am I frustrated and mad? Absolutely.
Same crap, different year. What's the difference?
So when does it stop being just the preseason? When it's the regular season?
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"I’m going to punish him. If he hits me, fine, but if I catch him, believe me, I’m going to get the better shot." - Fred Taylor
So when does it stop being just the preseason?
September 11. September 8 for the Saints and Packers.
Seriously though, it starts being the regular season when teams actually gameplan for their opponents and play all their starters.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 28, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
Supposedly, they did gameplan for this one, althought I am not sure what they really had to go on. And when, really, does a team have “all their starters” healthy?
by Conservative on Aug 28, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of the “injured” starters would have played if it were a game that counted. They’re just being careful with games that don’t count.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 28, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way I see Jack Del Rio getting a pass is if he starts Blaine Gabbert. I don’t see that happening, given Gabbert failed to shine in two golden opportunities.
I am having a hard time figuring this all out.
In defense of Gabbert, he didn’t play much with the 1’s. (defense included)
But, Luke McCown going 8/9 agianst Atlanta means nothing because, he didn’t play with the 1’s.
So, is it harder or easier when you aren’t playing with the 1’s?
by Conservative on Aug 28, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if he starts Gabbert
I don’t see him getting a pass. I believe it’s playoffs or bust for Del Rio. And frankly even then I’m not certain, after all Norv Turner got fired after a 14-2 season. Maybe the Del Rio era has run its course.
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but is it really that different. San Diego felt like Schottenheimer took them as far as he could and that they needed a change. Similar to our situation.
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Marty left due to a power struggle with AJ Smith
He was brought in by John Butler then Butler passed away and Marty and AJ Smith could not coexist.
Sure, if poll that question on here you would probably get 60% + saying, yes bring Jack back.
If you did the same poll asking if David should come back, that would probably be 70%+ saying, yes, bring David back, itis the Recivers fault.
For some reason both of these guys get free passes? Amazing we have wasted two years of “re-building” with these two guys as the leaders.
If you posed the question as...
“If Gabbert wins the job in the first half of the season and the Jaguars miss the playoffs, should Jack get another year?”, I think the majority says yes. If David plays all year and we miss the playoffs, the vast majority would say Jack has got to go.
On the other hand, if you ask, “If Garrard starts all year and we win a playoff game, should the Jags keep him?”, I think the majority would say “YES”. In any other circumstance, Garrard would be traded or released.
by Gabbert2Shorts on Aug 29, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think after this all plays out in the next few days, Blaine will be named the Opening Day starter.
I am willing to accept going 4-12 with Blaine under center if it leads to better results in the future. And Jack should be gone either way with DG or BG under center and we don’t make the playoffs. Watching that game Saturday night was Jack Del Rio in classic mid-December form.
If this team goes 4-12
that future does not reside in Jacksonville.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
Good Question
It stops being the way it has been for 4 plus years of inconsistencies and excuses when Mr. Weaver finally mans up and Fires a coach that is unable to bring consistently good play to a team…would we have such yearly inconsistency with a Tom Coughlin? I think not!
Meanwhile, NYG are all turning against Coughlin for what they see as being unable to win consistently and for late-season collapses to miss the playoffs.
The grass is always greener, right?
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by MoveThoseChains on Aug 28, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That should be NYG *fans
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 28, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Coughlin
…has a nice piece of hardware on his finger for all his efforts. Players hate playing for him with his disciplinarian demeanor. I’d take him back in a heartbeat after watching this last preseason game.
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by 78hustla Jag on Aug 29, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
So far in the 2008 preseason?
Whats that all about
by amujic32 on Aug 28, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Jags beat the Bills last year by running the ball, almost exclusively. Garrard only threw for 178 yards in that game, but the Jags rushed for 216, mostly thanks to Jones-Drew who was not in this game. I don’t know how “handily” that is beating them.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
The Jaguars were beating them by 17 points until the Bills score with a minute left.
I think winning by 10 is “handily”.
Lets be real here
If it wasnt for a couple tipped INTS from garrard those game wouldve been terrible for the bills, it wouldve been a blowout by large as if it already wasnt
by amujic32 on Aug 28, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea and David threw for 3 TDs and was very efficient. Game saved his job.
Certainly a different story last night.
Garrard plays well..
thats when it will stop being “just the preseason”. But as long as he struggles to do anything, he is just “knocking the rust off”.
And sadly enough, I think our offense is that reliant on MJD and the running game, it would be great to be balanced but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Aug 28, 2011 2:07 PM EDT reply actions
I know this will sound stupid for those in the know, but
The Jags will be a RUNNING team first with the short pass thrown in, everything including the players are built for this. If you read the Bills defense talk about how they knew we weren’t going to run the ball today, it was easy for them to stop us. I wish we had a long ball passing identity but, we don’t have those type of players and it showed today.
As for the defense, I don’t know what to say. Having read what the bills were trying to do, they wanted to focus on who there running back was going to be and to be fast out of the gates, both of which they succeeded. It was interesting that they knew they could beat Pol on a one-on-one with a back. That bothers me alot.
He played for them for 4 years
I’m sure they know his weakness and strength and everyone knows he isnt gooooooood in coverage
by amujic32 on Aug 28, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Poz was right there, though. He was with him step for step. He just never turned around to see the ball coming.
by Conservative on Aug 28, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Poz got beat
but realistically how many LB win a matchup like that against a RB.
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by Adam Stites on Aug 29, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now, every team
in the AFC south has issues. This year should be interesting and I think the Jaguars can win the division. That’s what it’s all about, right. I think we’re reading too much into the preseason. The Jags will be ready for Week 1. I don’t put too much stock into the preseason…at all!!!
my only concern is coming out of the preseason healthy…Colts (Manning), Texans (Foster) and Titans (Chris Johnson) are all banged up.
The Jags has a legit chance to win the division and sneak up on people.
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After watching 3 preseason games, you still feel like they have a legit shot at the division…?
by Alfie Crow on Aug 28, 2011 3:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the Texans are more likely to win it.
Hell even the Titans have a shot, and never count the Colts out if Manning comes back soon.
I guess anything can happen.
This last game we didnt have Alualu, Kampman, Sessions, and Mincey on the D so I think that really made a difference. Also without MJD, Britton, Z Miller, and a larger dose of Jennings its hars to Say what the offense can really do. I think we better prepare for a 9-7 season at best.
by JagSoldier on Aug 28, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who the hell is this Sessions guy everyone is talking about??
….never heard of him…
by Gabbert2Shorts on Aug 29, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point Alfie
After watching this last preseason game, I’m expecting more of the same, and a very good chance of having a worse record than last season.
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by 78hustla Jag on Aug 29, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, yes (no homer)...
with all that’s going on in the division with the other teams, the Jags have a legit chance to win. One of the reason is the health of its players. Foster (Texans) just gotta hammy a few days ago, Manning has a neck problem (Kerry Collins as a patch won’t help with that Oline) and Titans can’t get its best player (Chris Johnson) to report to camp. Sure, the Jags have issues, but none of them are health related. I’m sure the Jags will get in gear once it put all its players (MJD, Kampman, Poz, Session, Alualu, Roth etc) on the field at the same time.
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Yeah, I know that...
but if they had to play, they ALL could play. Those injuries are all from last season. I’m referring to this season.
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Not a lock by any means, but....
we definitely have a shot! I think we have better players this year than we did last year, and we were pretty damn close last year. The problem is, I think our schedule is much more difficult this year…
by Gabbert2Shorts on Aug 29, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Watch the other AFC South teams play
The Texans have looked pretty flawless in 3 games and the Titans have surprisingly look okay in there games as well and thats with Johnson’s holdout. The Jaguars have looked pretty abysmal at times with flashes of good play. Though this doesnt mean that we are doomed by any means, but it does raise a lot of red flags which is not a good thing.
"I’m going to punish him. If he hits me, fine, but if I catch him, believe me, I’m going to get the better shot." - Fred Taylor
at this point we are .500 again like the last few seasons. we look just as bad in the pre season as we did the last few. DG hasnt improved, MJD hasnt played. The new additions havent been here long enough, We havent added any real depth. Its the same team as last year almost, just it appears that we have regressed. its the same jags company line. pretty sad when you have to get excited about winning the division because all the other teams might suck more than they did last year. honestly we appear to be in that same boat.
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If Luke McCown plays great next week
What should happen.
by JagSoldier on Aug 28, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i dont even see him geting into the game again. you cant give DG and the 1st stringers a pass next week..imo they arent even close to having any kind of consistency. not to mention it looks like BG needs all the extra snaps he can get.
There shouldnt be a rush on him imo.
Im no GM but I do know that if a guy has looked good in practice and he goes 8-9 against 3rd stringers then he deserves a shot to compete. Luke hasnt had a chance to show if he can or cannot get it done.
by JagSoldier on Aug 28, 2011 11:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know, when I think about it..
How scary is the Vikings offense without Adrian Peterson?
The Titans without Chris Johnson?
The Raiders without McFadden?
And those teams aren’t even considered as run-heavy as the Jaguars. Our offense has relied on the run for as long as I can remember. And in the past few years, MJD has been such a huge threat for our offense. His presence has definitely been missed this preseason.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Aug 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
MJD is a huge threat for your offense. But as a Bills fan, I’m more scared of DMC as the sole member of that offense. And I’m more scared of CJ2K if he plays. Whether you believe it or not (which I don’t think you do after checking out this board the last few days) Garrard has enough going for him to not put everyone in the box.
Luke..
Can anyone please explain to me why Luke wasn’t given an opportunity? I don’t know for sure but I really feel there’s about to be a huge shake up on this team..starting with the qb pos.
by b: on Aug 28, 2011 4:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's why they kept Bouman
Garrard gets cut, Luke get’s the nod to start until Blaine is ready. Bouman is their for insurance.
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They're not keeping Bouman into the season
Nobody is going to sign Todd Bouman if the Jaguars release him, so there’s literally no reason to keep him on the roster. Bouman already knows that, and is obviously okay with that. The Jaguars will keep his number handy in case of emergency, but there’s a 0% chance he makes the final roster.
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 28, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why wasn't he cut
with Underwood, if he has absolutely no chance? If they cut Garrard, they will keep Bouman.
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes."- Jack Handey
Bouman is there for emergency purposes during the preseason
They’re extra-careful during the preseason. If Garrard very mildly sprains his ankle, it’d be stupid to keep playing him. If Gabbert, tweaks his shoulder, he should be immediately yanked. Bouman is only there so they don’t run out of bodies, and to learn the offense in the event they need to bring him back.
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 28, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I grasp why you keep him
in the preseason. I’m aware that you wouldn’t play any player with injury in the preseason, it’s just not worth it. My point is that I believe they are going to cut Garrard. Luke is coming off a repaired knee and Blaine just hasn’t shown that he is ready, so you keep Bouman as a backup to Luke if he were to go down. I honestly don’t think they’re starting Blaine this year.
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They will not cut Garrard unless Gabbert is named the starter
I’m willing to bet money on that one. You would’ve seen McCown last night if there was any chance of that happening.
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 28, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying to remember back to 2003 here
2007 is in all likelihood not going to happen. I think 2003 will. Anyone remember if Leftwich got significant time in the preseason? I know he held out for a week or so.
I bet they're done with Garrard
Even if Blaine isn’t ready, Why plug Blaine in there just to get pummeled behind that line? Let Luke take the lumps while the o-line gets its shit together and Blaine has more time to learn the offense. Blaine comes in under more favorable conditions that way.
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by Jagtastic on Aug 28, 2011 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Makes sense, but...
I can’t imagine McCown getting the nod over Blaine. It would be in JDR’s(and maybe the Jaguars) best intrest to either pull a 2003 or 2007. Either cut Carrard on 9/3, or make the next minor injury a little more serious wink wink
by Gabbert2Shorts on Aug 29, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
EXACTLY....
Then he can be the honorary captain against the Colts.
Somehow, I don’t think David will be the outwardly (to the public) good soldier that Brunell was. Read between the lines on many of his comments over the past month.
It's almost
a defiant tone. Especially in regard to his new found love of “taking deep shots”.
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes."- Jack Handey
It's weird, almost high school mentality in his approach.
If it were me, I’d bust ass and probably say as little as possible. I mean at 32 with a kid and millions in the bank, ramming the back of my head into a defender in a preseason game isn’t exactly helping my quality of life down the road.
I take it as him saying
that he always wanted to take those shot, but had been limited by the team/coaching staff. He’s also seen entrenched starters kicked from this team, so I think he may be broadcasting his abilities to the general public. We know his play sure doesn’t broadcast it.
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes."- Jack Handey
The 2003
scenario takes away that main reason for getting rid of Garrard and that’s to save his salary. As a veteran, If he’s on the roster week 1, he gets paid his full salary.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
At this point, even though there are a lot of encouraging signs from Gabbert, I don't know that an outright cut is an option
request to restructure is not off the table, but the Jags better be prepared for him to say no to that. Unfortunately neither Gabbert nor McCown have proven anything.
In the grand scheme of economics and the NFL, $13M and 5 grain silos for 4 guys at the qb spot is pocket change. There is no need to cut David to save salary. You have to wonder if they’re keeping Bouman around for the inevitable request for David to reduce his salary should he reject the request.
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I love how people post
that “Garrard sucks” they should trade him.
If he truly sucks, why would anyone trade for him ?
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
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by Adam Stites on Aug 29, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say McCown SHOULDN'T start
I said McCown WON’T start. Big difference.
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 30, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Easy does it
No need to get all caps on us.
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes."- Jack Handey
You would agree that no other team is going to sign Todd Bouman, right?
If the Jaguars believe that’s the case (I certainly do), then there’s absolutely no reason to keep him on the roster. The only reason to keep a player on the roster is 1. if you’re going to use them, or 2. so no one else signs them. Bouman meets neither criteria, so unless two quarterbacks get injured, he will be released when the roster is cut down regardless of whether or not the Jaguars keep Garrard.
The Jaguars have only kept two quarterbacks for the past several years, and if Garrard is cut, this year would be no exception. The only way they’ll keep three is if the three guys are Garrard, Gabbert, and McCown.
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 28, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
No other team would sign Bouman, so why wouldn’t you cut him as soon as David’s back healed up? He’s here for insurance, but it’s not injury insurance. I’ve heard time and time again how coaches like having Bouman around because he’s a good influence and he’s like another coach on the sideline. Wouldn’t it be nice to have him in Blaine’s ear on the sideline, since he’s sitting this season any ways?
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes."- Jack Handey
Yep
Scott Riddle. You just wait sir and come talk to me when the plan is set in motion ;)
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 30, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
screw Farm subsidies
when Gene Smith has you on speed dial. I bet Bouman has about 8 silos courtesy of Wayne Weaver.
Luke..
Can anyone please explain to me why Luke wasn’t given an opportunity? I don’t know for sure but I really feel there’s about to be a huge shake up on this team..starting with the qb pos.
by b: on Aug 28, 2011 4:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
There's only one or 2 things that can be implied by that theory
And I don’t really see any vets out there for trade.
Quite honestly, unless the team is willing to throw McCown in to start and cut bait with Garrard, Weaver’s eating $9 million for a qb who is going to get Brunelled this year. Unless JDR showcased Garrard for trade opportunities, this is what is going to happen.
With the "lockout", I think preseason means more this year than most...
…The amount of pressure on rookies to perform went up ten fold.Learning the NFL way doesn’t happen in a little more than a month. Teams that need to improve quickly over last year won’t be as willing to take on project players. Any player outside of the first or second round of the draft won’t get the usual free pass to the roster.
It is obvious that we REALLY NEED A NUMBER 1 receiver, and Eben to return. Yes, we miss MJD, but we need someone who can stretch the field. Hopefully, some loaded team will have to cut a receiver who can blaze and CATCH AND HOLD ON TO THE BALL.
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It stops being the preseason when...
…you haven’t been able to perform basic functions for the last couple of years. You know. functions like blocking and tackling. In this preseason, I would have liked to have seen better basics. I’ve seen some good things so far, but nothing that really excites me except Cecil Shorts. The fact that I haven’t even been impressed with the starters we had last year disappoints me a little bit.
I know it’s the preseason so you have to take most team stats with a grain of salt, but I’m alarmed by the fact that we don’t have a single sack in the preseason. I don’t care who hasn’t played or whatever, we’re also going against rookies who are easily confused by pressure. And we don’t have a single sack?! We’ve given up the most 40+ yard plays in the league? Our QB’s are getting sacked over 3 times a game?
I really don’t care who’s not playing in the preseason, they all need work. I just want to know why we can’t perform basic functions.
its been so long
Who got that first sack?
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 28, 2011 10:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty sure it was either kampman or tyson
….One thing I will say tho is that I completely understand everyone being frustrated and angry with the poor preseason showing, however, I think this can honestly be expected in some cases. Gene just had his 3rd draft class; he has brought in some nice pieces to build around but it’s not necessarily going to be a quick process (or even a moderate, linear process) after he basically took over with the team in total shambles. Vic used to always go on about how the Steelers were really bad before they got great in the Chuck Noll era because putting together an extremely solid roster takes a lot of time. Gene has already laid some great foundation… but we have to accept that we are going to have to be patient and accepting of the inevitable low’s that accompany the construction of a long-term contender. That’s our job as a good fan base.
It was both
They both sacked Chad Henne
What Vic didin’t mention is that it took the Steelers going to the AFC to get good, and it was before free agency and of course a little chemical enhancement never hurt anyone.
I understand it takes time...
…to field a good team. But it’s the preseason. We have zero sacks. Even bad teams have sacks. That means we can’t even beat scrubs.
Yeah, preseason stats are very important.
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by MoveThoseChains on Aug 29, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't care less about the pre season results
And I honestly don’t understand why people are so bothered by it. (Other than we have to pay full price for the pre season tickets.) A lot of people act like it’s a surprise that Garrard and Del Rio are inconsistent with both preparation and production… like you didn’t know what to expect from this year because we signed some guys. The team will be better than last year. When we see guys not being held out and results matter, that’s when it’s time to argue about the outcomes and how they looked.
Pre season is glorified practice. It never matters. Ever.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
It matters
Not necessarily on the scoreboard, but it matters. The run by Garrard was nice, but it’s like Jorge Posada sliding into first base in Spring Training. The risk outweighs the reward. We know David is tough. Never been questioned. You wouldn’t see many other starting qbs do that in a preseason game.
Risk vs Reward definitely matters...
That’s why we sit out all the semi injured guys we don’t have to see, why we don’t game plan extensively, why we don’t show too much of our hand that we plan to do in the regular season.
It’s an exhibition, screw it. I hate for people to think my team looked bad, but then I look at what they’re looking at and say… oh that? I wouldn’t worry about that little guy.
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WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
This is kind of a different preseason than in seasons past
Due to the lockout. I’m sure Tom Brady is sitting in an ice tub right now after the beating Detroit gave him. It ain’t the play calling I’m worried about, it’s the execution. Everyone like to cite how Detroit went 4-0 one preseason then went 0-16 when it counted. I get that. But we look like a highly paid juco squad out there.
Not for nothin...
We had a lot of juco guys out there. And you’re right it is a different preseason than in seasons past. In a lot of ways…
Peyton Manning hasn’t thrown one ball, Tennessee is tossing out a completely new offensive leadership group and Houston is Houston, but with a new defense… that’s already banged up.
I just see our shortcomings as obstacles able to be overcome when our players are actually on the field when it matters. I’m not saying I won’t be disappointed and upset later, I’m just saying I’m not yet at all.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
I saw Mike Vick
Lead with his head to tackle Troy Polumalu after throwing an interception 2 weeks ago.
The guys that are on the field are competing. They’re not taking it easy when they’re out there just because it’s preseason.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
and I am sure Vick got a justifiable ass chewing because of it.
That was more frustration than anything. I don’t think the Eagles want to see VY
Really?
It’s not about competing, it’s about starters playing a complete game plan for four quarters against other starters doing the same. Well if our starters didn’t play well against somebody else’s back ups, but then their starters did that against our back ups… it doesn’t matter. It’s heresay, reaching for things to think about and dissect which can’t be done, because it’s pure speculation. There is no way to determine an absolute outcome/answer.
Give me a run down on preseason records of division and super bowl champions.
Hey, I know… let’s talk about our no sacks again after our three best pass rushers of the front 4 didn’t play. I’m sure that has no bearing and we’ll have 0 sacks all year.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
That was in response to this statement
“You wouldn’t see many other starting qbs do that in a preseason game.”
- Joe Fisher
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
I don't watch every preseason game
but if I did, I’m sure I could easily come up with MANY examples of QB’s trying hard to gain an extra yard or 2. And especially to score a TD.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
I'm also thinking that wasn't "competing"...
That was Vick bein pissed off for sucking so bad that night.
Granted, these guys are prideful and I’m sure most if not at all don’t want to look bad any time, but not one guy in the locker room will say it’s the same in preseason game 3 as it is regular season week 1 and on.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
I know it's not the same
but mainly because they sit anyone who has a hang nail, They are trying to play 80-90 guys so that they can evaluate them etc… and for their most part, their not game planning against the opposing teams weaknesses.
The Falcons had Matt Ryan throw 42 passes in their game this week just to get reps with all the WR’s on the field against an aggressive PIT defense. In the regular season they’d probably mix it up a bit more.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
But they stink
So bad. I mean it was painful, until the Bills pulled their 1st string defense. Garrard just keeps chucking it deep, hoping, praying and wishing that someone pulls it in. I think he was watching that NFL redzone commerical too much this offseason. “Garrard steps up fires….Mike Sims Walker…..knocked down…OH HE CAUGHT IT”
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes."- Jack Handey
Just read through these comments (disclaimer: Bills fan). Do you guys REALLY see McCown as a guy that you ever want to see playing? There seems to be a lot of talk here about him being worthy of your starter. I’m probably opening a terrible can of worms here…
Some of us can see what it is
He’s torched 3rd stringers. And in San Diego last year, before his ACL tear, he was efforting the ball downfield against a defense that called off the dogs, similar to what David did Saturday against your 2nd string.
I feel like McCown gets a bad rap because of his name
As stupid as that sounds, I’m serious. His brother has more interceptions than touchdowns in his career and a 57.9% completion rate. He’s the one with 31 career starts.
Luke hasn’t played lights out during his career, but he’s only started seven career games. I think people mix up him and his brother and feel like Luke has had a career of sucking.
Cade McNown probably didn’t help much either.
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by Adam Stites on Aug 29, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't we go through this every year ?
Every season we know the team is going to work on the passing game and the other teams know we’re going to work on the passing.
From pregame interviews, it sounded like they were going to run Jennings quite a bit but then he got injured early and that plan changed.
When all the best guys available are in the game, for the entire game, that’s when it stops being preseason.
Some Jaguars fans act like every possession is going to lead to a score. That’s just not the reality of the NFL so I’m not sure why it’s somehow the end of the world when the first possession or 2 doesn’t end in a TD.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
it's the execution or lack there of
I’m with you on the live or die with every game, it gets old when people say “We better win the Rams preseason finale or I’m not buying tickets” or “If we go 4-12 we’re going to LA” ENOUGH OF THE CHICKEN LITTLE CRAP!!!
But, people want to see something different. We’ve got playmakers from what we’re being told. We’ll flip the switch when Kampman gets back, which worries the hell out of me because 2 years straight, he’s ended on IR. He’s great and a leader and all that, but the man’s shoulders are only so big. Same with MJD and Garrard. Last time we saw them during the regular season, David threw a pick vs the Skins and went on IR and MJD was on the sidelines with the torn hibiscus. (yes I know). Both men have taken a hell of a beating over the past 4 years.
by Joe Fisher on Aug 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only way this team goes to LA
is if they don’t sell tickets. And with ticket sales already a problem, going 4-12 will result in an EMPTY stadium at the end of the season. That will cause people to think twice.
I live in Atlanta but I’d become a Falcons fan before I cheer for the LA Jaguars so I hope it doesn’t happen. But tickets need to be sold or it will, regardless of the fact that other teams have similar struggles.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
only way the team goes anywhere is if Wayne Weaver dies unexpectedly with no succession plan
though lack of inheritance tax (called estate tax) may not be as big a hurdle in FL.
That's awfully naive.
He’s said he’s staying, BUT they can’t be playing in front of 40,000 people each week. This team goes 4-12 and 40,000 will seem like a lot.
Come on Jaguars. Make this your year!
I'm not going to say we're fine...
but this is a very top-heavy roster. Missing three key players on the D-line, and playing a backup RT and our third best RB does not give a great indication of the talent level of this team.
I think this is the point at which we start seeing trends, and the trends so far have been an inability to run the ball which has put an uncommon amount of pressure on our passing game, causing it to struggle. We don’t have the players to be a fast-paced, pass-heavy offense, so we’re going to struggle if we can’t run the ball.
On defense, we knew what we were getting into. Without the new pass rushers playing up front, we’re the same kind of team we’ve been since 07, strong against the run, hard hitting but lacking speed and coverage skills.
It’s never time to freak out, but we do need to get more effective on offense.
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by Brian Levenson on Aug 29, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions
We haven't run the ball because all our best backs are injured
I don’t think they’ll have trouble running the ball with MJD and Jennings out there.
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 30, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That said,
VERY much agreed that this roster is top-heavy. Lack of depth could be this team’s downfall.
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