When will Aaron Kampman be ready?
by Alfie Crow on Sep 13, 2011 9:01 AM EDT
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Jacksonville Jaguars veteran defensive end Aaron Kampman was a late surprise scratch from the Tennessee Titans game. Most expected Kampman would play, given the fact that he played in the final preseason game and to public knowledge there was no setbacks with his knee. There obviously was however, since Kampman was a game day scratch.
"When I'm ready, I'll obviously be ready and the coaches and medical staff will make that decision. It's kind of a process that we're in. That's where it's at," Kampman told the media on Monday. To me, and this is just my personal opinion, that means he's not very close to coming back. Plus, Tania Ganguli of the Florida Times-Union reported that Kampman was seen at the facility on Monday with a full brace on his knee.
Comments like the one Kampman made, makes me think it's going to be at least another 2-3 weeks before he can return. In reality, that's not all that surprising. As hard of a worker Kampman is, he's still a 31 year old defensive end coming off his second consecutive torn ACL.
"Things were progressing, and I'm not at a point yet where I can help our team. I wish I could tell you. I wish I could say, ‘Hey listen. Ready to go at X time,' but that's above my scale and yours, too," Kampman said of his knee. It's a bit disconcerting that it doesn't sound like Kampman is even close to being ready, but we were led to believe he'd be good to go week 1. The Jaguars pass rush needs an injection of more than just Jeremy Mincey and Tyson Alualu. Matt Roth is a solid rotational end, but if he's your other starter along with Mincey (kind of the same player), then you've got some problems.
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Not good at all!
A full leg brace is an ominous sign. Had to wear one myself after blowing out my knee. Keeps you from having any lateral movement at all. As i said before. I heard a rumor that the weekend after the pre season game he played in. He tweeked/re-injured the knee at home playing with his kids. Just a rumor of course, but could explain why we saw him playing in that game, and then a scratch for this one. Im with Alfie on this one. I dont think we see Kampman till sometime in mid Oct. Hope we are wrong.
if this is true
Then they re-constructed his knees with paper mache. I hate to say it, but Kampman is looking like a waste of money, and more important from a fans perspective, another gamble that doesn’t seem to be paying off. Bummer.
by JohnnyBiceps on Sep 13, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope he gets back soon.....
but I think Mincey and Roth can be effective, matched with the middle push of Alualu and Knighton. when you throw in a touch or Austen Lane to spell the DE’s, I am ok with the effort we can bring, but do want Kampman back as soon as possible.
Lane played less than John Chick Sunday.
by Alfie Crow on Sep 13, 2011 9:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Any theories on Lane?
Did he look so good because Britton looked so bad?
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also that was 1 drill
its not like lane dominated anything during the preseason. he was stonewalled all preseason. 4th or 5th d-end is what he plays like as of now. i do think he has potential eventually if he develops
Not just the Oklahoma
That’d be stupid to base it off that. He was handling Britton with ease all camp and they even scrapped.
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That may be true....
But I saw some good pursuit down the line out of Lane. Chick played well too. I was simply making the point that there are back-ups that can give the starting guys a rest and not kill the defensive effort even if Kampman does not get on the field. Of course, if you keep up the 3 and outs, your defense stays pretty fresh!
Chick
Add Chick as a promising DE rotator.
I’d rather Kamp be sitting the first 3 than be out the final 8 or something… we may need him for a playoff push lol
same deal as Manning
Lack of access to the facility and team physios (love that term) during the lockout have hampered his comeback. There’s only so much self discipline a person can have.
Remember, not too long ago, an ACL was a 1 year shelving, then Rod Woodson blew away the time table.
Something had to have happened between the Rams game and the weekend.
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Does anyone honestly believe he will be a factor once he is healthy?
I mean he tore both ACLs, and the DE position requires quick and powerful explosion off the snap. Will he still have it?
Exactly. Don’t want to pat myself on the back, but I tried to caution people not to assume Kampman would be back AND effective.
by Alfie Crow on Sep 13, 2011 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At this point I think we should expect him to NOT contribute significantly to our pass rush
As much as I hate to say it, I think he is damaged goods. Sure he could come back a nice form with one surgically repaired knee, but TWO?! The odds aren’t in his favor.
well lets not jump ship here yet either boys
when he comes back he may be effective and he may not. will he be at 07 form? i doubt it. but will he be a solid starter for this year? yes i believe so. if he plays 12 games i say he has 6 sacks.
Lageman said on JTW
Kampmann doesn’t look anything like his old self, with very little of his old “pop”. I’m beginning to think he’s NOT coming back, at least like the Kampmann of old.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Sep 13, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of explosion, my hot wing dip was a huge hit at my tailgate.
drank Kona Longboard in honor of Alualu.
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As long as he plays something like the 8 that he couldn't play last year, that'll be fine.
Like September callups in baseball, we’ll need reinforcements for the stretch run, and if Kampman is ok and effective by then, that’ll be a major boost. At least it’s not an Achilles injury. ACLs aren’t career-enders anymore, even if you’re 31.
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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 13, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
What's the track record on guys with torn ACLs on both knees?
Is there another case?
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No clue,
but I think it’s smarter to look at each knee separately. Completely making up unscientific numbers: let’s say each knee has an 80% chance of a full recovery. 80% x 80% is a 64% overall chance that he makes a full recover, which is less than 80% but still not a completely scary number. And the Jaguars have a bye week before they play their final 8 games, so he might even be able to wait as long as November 13 to play, though that wouldn’t be ideal.
In other words, it’s not great news, but he’s not necessarily done yet either. We’ll just have to see.
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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 13, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
64% is good? You guys are delusional.
Kampman is done and he knows it. Look at his eyes. The guy is about to tear up. It’s a really sad situation. Maybe they rushed him back too fast.
No actualy
Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by grumpyapp on Sep 13, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
1) You should probably base your opinion on something more than “look at his eyes”.
2) You need to relearn math.
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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 13, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure it's me who needs to relearn math?
You don’t multiply probabilities or percentages to get an “overall” probability or percentage.
You just failed the SAT.
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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 13, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Calculate overall chance he will make a full recovery…
Chance he won’t make a full recovery
left knee 1- 0.8= 0.2
right knee 1- 0.8= 0.2
0.2 X 0.2 = 0.4 OVERALL CHANCE HE WONT MAKE A FULL RECOVERY
1-0.4= 0.6 OVERALL CHANCE HE WILL MAKE A FULL RECOVERY
I was wrong. You were to but I was more wrong.
0.2 × 0.2 = 0.04, which shows that you can only do overall probably based on the chance that something does happen, rather than not. Obviously two 20% chances of something not happening is not a 4% overall chance of something not happening.
So, 0.8 × 0.8 = 0.64
So, (1 – 0.64) x 100 = 36% chance Kampman and the Jaguars are screwed.
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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 13, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ya you are bad at math
it only takes 1 bad knee to limit a player he cant play on just one leg that would just be silly.
wait
if you have 80% out of 100
then
80% out of 100 again
dont you have 160% out of 200
which equals to 80% again?
how do you come up with 64% when you have two 80% chances? not sure how ya did it.
its like always having 50% chances… the more 50% chances you have doesnt mean that you suddenly have 25%, then 12.5%, then 6.25%… correct?
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Ok, in order to be fully recovered, both knees need to be ok. So if one knee is ok and the other is still shot, that’s not a recovery. So, if each knee has an 80% chance of recovery, then the chance of both knees making a recovery is 80% times 80%, which is 64%. 0.8 × 0.8 = 0.64 (remember that percentages need to be divided by 100 before doing math with them)
Rolling a dice example: each time you have a 1/6 or ~16.7% chance of rolling a 6. That doesn’t change from roll to roll. However, the chances of you rolling 16 6’s in a row is ridiculously small, because it’s 0.167 × 0.167 × 0.167 …until you do that 16 times, once for each roll. Your chance of a 6 doesn’t go down each individual roll, but cumulatively it’s nearly impossible to roll a 6 16 times in a row.
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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 13, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know how strahan got so many sacks. with that whistle between his teeth, how can you not hear him about to knock you down?
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I vote MoveThoseChains to DE
He can write his own contract and we can have on the field for the Jets game
by thegoodz on Sep 13, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
After 2 torn ACLs? No
He’s not likely to be the same player. Greg Jones was never the same after tearing up both knees.
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Getting off the line is the most important part, it allows you to get your hands inside the lineman, read run or pass, and adjust to rush or make a tackle on the RB
If Kampman is going to be slow off the ball the Oline will have no problem of getting position and taking him wherever he wants too
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