Jaguars lose to the Panthers, by playing not to lose.
by Alfie Crow on Sep 25, 2011 4:18 PM EDT
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PrintThe Jacksonville Jaguars went into halftime with a 10-5 lead and apparently thought that was good enough to beat the Caroline Panthers. Obviously it wasn't, since the Jaguars lost 16-10 by trying to sit on a 5 point lead. The team allowed rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert to pass the football just 5 times in second half, most of those screen passes. The coaching staff apparently thought the Jaguars defense could hold the Panthers from scoring another 5 points, but eventually the defense broke down.
Gabbert looked like a rookie, flashing some good throws and making some poor ones as well as fumbling at least four snaps. He was intercepted before the half deep down the field, but also had some nice completions called back because of penalties and victimized by some drops by Jason Hill and Mike Thomas.
The Jaguars defense had a fantastic day, holding Cam Newton to just 158 passing yards and 1 touchdown. Newton didn't throw an interceptions, but he was close to having about five passes picked off. The Jaguars defense also shut down the Panthers rushing attack for the most of the game. Despite playing well, the lack of a real legit pass rusher on the Jaguars defense showed up big time, as most of the time Newton had all day long to throw.
As far who to blame for the Jaguars loss, it's 100% totally on Jack Del Rio. The Jaguars offensive game plan was something out of 1953. You're not going to win many games in the modern NFL throwing the ball just 21 times, especially when you only attempt about 7 passes in the second half of the game. This team entering games with both of it's hands tied behind it's back and the only constant in all of this since 2003 is Jack Del Rio. He's gone through offensive coordinator and offensive coordinator, but the inept offensive game plan always winds up the same.
Why am I not blaming Dirk Koetter? Well, the Jaguars have had the same offensive game plan since 2003. How many offensive coordinators are going to fall on Del Rio's sword.
As I said in week one, when the Jaguars darn near let the Tennessee Titans get in range to attempt a game winning field goal, if you play games that close to the vest you're going to lose more than you'll win. When you keep games that close, you're going to put yourself in unnecessary difficult situations. Because the Jaguars lack a killer instinct and were content to rest on their laurels, they gave the Panthers ample time get back into the game and take the lead. Then, because they team played so conservative the entire second half, they forced their rookie quarterback into a situation where he had to throw the football and the opposing team's defense knew they had to throw it.
It's not a recipe for success, and until the Jaguars develop some semblance of a modern offensive game plan, they're not going to win many games.
What's the point in drafting a quarterback in the Top 10 if you're just going to groom them to be a game manager?
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Let Gabbert throw!
I got a whopper in the car
by tiquanunderwear on Sep 25, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
Get rid of Del Rio
Every day, nay every second that he and his staff are allowed to keep coaching, knowing that they won’t be here next season, is detrimental to the development of the whole team. Wayne and Gene need to see this and make the move
I don't even care about the rest of the staff.
Just can Del Rio today so we know he is gone for good. Not a lot of change can be done right now but having Del Rio gone will allow me to continue to watch. I refuse to give this team another dollar until his useless body is evicted from the Jaguars sideline. Oh and take Turk with him. Worst punter in Jaguars history.
dude thats piss poor..you cant boo the coach at the game. dont not support the organization for that. we dont want to lose them.
by chrisltr22c on Sep 25, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well...
If there was a way to get everyone to boycott the first quarter as a message to Weaver and then enter the stadium at the start of the second quarter to show support for the team, I would do it. But how else is anything going to happen unless I, as a consumer, show may disgust to an owner who is too stupid to deal with his problem?
You can make something happen by not showing up
You can lose us this franchise. By not showing up you do nothing but jeopardize the future of pro football in Jacksonville.
by rusty904 on Sep 25, 2011 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So it is my responsibility to continue to support incompetence with my hard earn money? If the team is going to leave, it is going to leave. But I have too much respect for myself to keep throwing money into an outhouse. I want to have the Jags stay but not if they are going to managed like the Cincinnati Bengals. It is not up to me to keep the team here. It is up to Wayne Weaver to remember how to run a business and fire some non-performing employees. If the Jags leave Jacksonville, it is not my fault.
Trust me,
you have no idea how much better run Jacksonville is compared to the Bengals.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 25, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The simple point is that this is a consumer entertainment product. It has become stale under Jack Del Rio. Will the team be better if they fire Del Rio now? Probably not. I admit that. But it would show to me that the management understands that it has a problem with the product they are trying to sell me. There is not a single coach in the league who has held the job as long as Del Rio with a record as bad as Del Rio. Just fire him now and I will accept that things are going to be rough for the rest of the year because I know that next year will bring something different. There is absolutely no reason for me to think that Weaver will fire Del Rio until he actually does it. Even at this point, I absolutely expect that he will keep Del Rio another year after this one, even if the team loses all the rest of its games. For me, it tells me that the ownership does not give a flip about the product it is trying to sell as long as they can make money. That is where this franchise is very much like the Bengals. Heck, I’m not even sure Weaver is keeping Del Rio just to keep us bad. I don’t think he is Machiavellian in that way but at some point he has to understand that the customers are not getting what they pay for. If you keep letting that happen, you lose customers and even a shoe salesman can figure that out.
They don't hire and fire people based on whether or not you show up.
It’s not Weaver’s responsibility to bend to the will of some disgruntled fans. He sees the same thing you do, except he has to write the guy a check. You don’t have to support Del Rio to be a Jaguars fan. You can support the team, not hurt their bottom line, and still get your way at the end of the year. If Del Rio loses enough games, he’ll be gone, regardless of how many butts are in the seats.
Yeah, he writes the check. But that check comes out of revenue. If I don’t go to the game and don’t buy tickets, my dollars will not be available for him to write that check. And like I just said, I won’t be convinced that Weaver will ever fire Del Rio until he actually does it. I don’t believe Weaver will fire Del Rio even if they go 1 – 15. So until he is fired, I see no reason to spend my money on this team.
Just for the record, I don’t have season tickets. I live in Tallahassee. So I usually choose to go to four or five games a year. It is a large investment of time and money. The Jags need to try draw fans from outside of Jacksonville but are giving me zero incentive to invest the time and effort. If the team is going to stay in Jacksonville, it must draw from the surrounding areas. But as of right now, I see no reason to spend my money on a subpar product that seems to making no effort to fix its continuing problems.
I think you and I define "inferior product" differently.
I think we have a team that will give you 13 more competitive games. That’s all you can really ask for from an NFL team as a fan. You want to be competitive. At the end of the day fans want to see their team win, and they are unhappy when they lose. You can’t say, “Until I think they’ll win X number of games I won’t support them.” I don’t think you’re a true fan if you think that way. I live in Atlanta, so I only get to go to one or two games each year. I go regardless of the team’s record, because it’s not about whether the team wins or loses. It’s about the experience of going to a game to support a team I love. If you lose enough games, there will be turnover in coaching. If there is turnover in the roster and the front office, and the team still loses, then it’s on the coaches. Why do you think Weaver didn’t extend any of the assistant coaches’ deals? All signs point to this being it. Del Rio has to prove that he can improve on last year’s team. If he can’t, he’ll be gone.
by packerman on Sep 25, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was a season ticket holder from the inaugural season, when I lived in Jacksonville, until my economic situation changed and I moved to Tallahassee in 2006. So I am making less money and also have access to tickets to FSU games for less money, plus I am an alumni too. So I have multiple competing ties. I still maintained going to as many Jags games as I could because I do prefer being at the game to watching on TV. But it has gotten to be more of a case of being upset every time I go because I have no faith in the coach. I was devastated when USC did not go after Del Rio. I just don’t have the faith in Weaver to actually make the coaching change at the end of the season. I think he is more worried about having to pay a coach money who is no longer working. Heck, I was angry when Weaver gave Del Rio his big extension because I thought the coach that was responsible was not Del Rio but a coach who is now doing a pretty good job as a head coach on his own. You should be familiar with him being from Atlanta. I really don’t enjoy the game experience of a team that has only manged two offensive touchdowns in three games. Some people might like that. I prefer to see a few more points scored. I will admit that I have been on the fire JDR bandwagon for three years now. He always seems to do just enough to keep his job and I worry the same thing will happen again. I’ve just gotten fed up. I have other choices and choose to use them until JDR is no longer infesting this team. I still watch all the games. I just can’t justify spending the money and time to go when I know I will only be angry when the game is over. Hence, the product does not have enough appeal to me to purchase it when compared to my other options.
then find something else to do on sunday afternoons
no one is making you stay here
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perfect
perfect example of the jack delrio era -pitiful
blasting me
you guys were yelling at me in preseason when i said it would be like this THE JACK AND GENE SHOW MUST GO
i just they havent killed any chance for this team to be able to stay in jacksonville
Gene is good at was he does. He's ot calling the plays. Why would you fire him.
Monroe had two bad plays for penalties. That doesn’t make him a bust. JDR is the issue period
Really??
What ’ A’ player has he brought into the organization since he took over as GM? Note -I’m asking if you can name just one. Because I don’t think he’s that good. The Jags only have 2 ‘A’ players on this roster and they were here before Gene took over.
Book still out on Gabbert so he does not count yet. Hopefully he will.
Well, let's see... I'll go with the two easy ones
Knighton – extremely well respected around the league from all accounts
Alualu – underrated, but fantastic
Throw in solid starters in Monroe, Britton (when healthy), Cox, Thomas, Jennings (not a starter, but easily could on many other teams), Gabbert, Rackley, Shorts, Prosinski…
Oh yeah, free agency… Landry, Pozluzsny, Lowery, Roth, Kampman…
Basically overhauled the entire lineup and there’s finally solid depth, but yeah, you’re right. Gene sucks. /sigh
I said A players
There are some B players on that list and C’s as well. Britton, garbage,Kapman can’t play, Rackley, garbage, Shorts, garbage,Pozluzsny B, Kinghton B, Alualu, B, Cox,C,Lowery, C+’, Roth B-’ Thomas C
He overhauled one of the worst 3 Defenses in the league and they are better, but still will be bottom third in league and god help us when we play teams that can actually pass the football.
You give him way more credit than he has actually earned
you re fuckin retared
how players that have been in the league for 3 years or less are A list players. there are a few but come on. we have had three 1st round picks and one 2nd round pick. after the 3rd round you are lucky to find starting caliber players. he can only do so much in a draft, it takes players a few years to enter their primes. all his players are at the earliest entering their third year. and how can you say shorts and rackley are garbage after 3 games. and just so you know cox is a pretty good corner, you havent heard his name much this year, that means he’s good
you realize every other gm in the NFL has acquired the exact same talent level
I’m sorry a few of those guys are solid for sure but they cant be your best players on a winning team. And seriously Kampman? You know how much we paid him correct? He has played 8 games. We also traded away a 2nd round pic to draft cox. you sure that was a good move?
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What has gene done that makes you classify him as good at what he does?
he reached for eugene he reached for tyson. Where as he found late round talent? Pot roast and M80? I’ll give him that i guess but come on man you heard gene was good so you repeat it
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you smoking?
Monroe was considered a steal when he fell in our lap. Alualu was targeted early-to-mid first round by more teams than the Jaguars, and I’ve seen national media people talking about how special a player Alualu looks to be.
If you were talking about
JDR and Gene being responsible for the Jags leaving, you deserved to be blasted.
Pete also thinks
That Tebow should be the QB of the future for the Jags.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Sep 25, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You really hit the nail on the head.
I’m not sure what more it will take but I see Gene Smith making good decisions to build this team. The wry are good enough but 21 passes makes it difficult for them to show you. The defense is top 5 so far. What does JDR think is going to happen when you plan like this. This is not fan frustration here. I know what my eyes tell me and they are saying that JDR is no longer capable of running an NFL team.
I'd rather have a corpse to kick the dirt on first.
Weaver is too darn stubborn and might just keep Del Rio until his contract is done.
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He isnt stubborn bro, he is scared! He is too afraid of making the same mistake he did when he canned Coughlin. The fans bullied him into that, and Tom goes to NY and wins a SB. Not that JDR is half a coach as Coughlin.
There was to many irresponsable 3rd and long calls.
There is no way the defense is going to respect the draw until you’ve has sussess downfield. The coaching staff, whomever it was, handcuffed Gabbert and the Team. The rookie doesn’t know how to worry about his job, He’s out there to play. Playing in fear isn’t winning.
by Bill The Thrill on Sep 25, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
So?!
The panthers knew what the next play was a LOT of times. Not everything is about deception. Some of it is just about beating the guy in front of you, and we were.
Only reason running the ball didn’t work was because we stopped ourselves with penalties and bad ball handling by the QB. Getting to 3rd and 1 to me a is a win in my book, when on offense.
Time and time again this team shows it can not convert 3rd and 1. It isnt working with their pattented MJD up the centers ass. Please see several plays in the last 3 weeks. You are right about beating the man in front of you, but we arent doing it when it counts. May i remind you of 1st and goal from the 1 in the first game? 3 straight up the center’s ass runs, and we kick a field goal.
I think i said it week 1..
Yeah, it is “fine” to play conservative not to lose until we actually lose, and then everyone will want the coaching stuff heads.
Here we go!
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by Hellveto on Sep 25, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Del Rio has to go
If Byron Leftwich and David Garrard can get fired in the middle of the week so can Del Rio. Our defense is clearly improved and slowed down a team that gave the Packers a run for their money. At this rate we could very well go 1-15 if we keep playing not to lose. Gabbert has talent and they need to let him loose and find him a new corp of receivers next year.
I’ll start this now: Draft a WR or two next year. Gabbert needs weapons.
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by montanajagsfan on Sep 25, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t we spend a 1st and 2nd in ’09 on tackles and a 3rd this year on a OG/C?
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by montanajagsfan on Sep 25, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Monroe, apart from the two penalties was fine today and I though Britton played well at OG.
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by montanajagsfan on Sep 25, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Britton
kind of sucked I thought. Didn’t start running the ball well until we started relying on Meester and Uche.
+1
On that note, Gabbert needs to get some more leg muscle. He shouldn’t be going down so easily. The kid has almost no balance. Shoot I think Peyton Manning would have avoided the safety. lol
Calf raises are what this team needs
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The OL didnt get beat every play. The receivers dropped passes that would’ve prolonged drives. I agree the OL could have played better though. Especially Eugene “The thief” Monroe.
Monroe had two penalties. Other than that, he was fine.
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I would say no. He hasn’t been dominant like you expect a top 10 pick to be. He has been just alright.
He had a solid game
Against a big-time pass rusher today.
He was also a top 10 pick who is suppossed to be a big time tackle. No one ever made excuses for Tony Boselli or Willie Roaf. They dominated all the time.
No one’s making excuses for Monroe. You’re acting like he’s terrible and he’s not.
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You called him a thief. You’re insinuating he’s stealing money.
He’s been fine. He’s not a dominant tackle, but he’s not bad. He’s at the worst average.
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No way he is average
You guys ever watch him run block?
He is a good player and he is still young.
More importantly, he is playing much better this season than the past two years. He has been very good the first two weeks (I havent watched the tape of this one yet)
No excuses.
He had a solid outing against a double-digit sack guy. You can’t ask for much more.
The one sack for Johnson
I really put that one on Gabbert, he got ansy in the pocket and moved right into his arms. I think Monroe had a pretty solid start.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Sep 25, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Charles Johnson?
Houston is a 3-4 team.
I concur.
I expect the passing game to open up a little over the next few weeks, though, and I expect Gabbert to improve as we do that. A little less mud wouldn’t hurt the passing game, either. I believe better days are ahead, my friend. It was a heartbreaker, but there’s reason for hope.
Our normal
selves should have beaten the Panthers. But to say we are the better team….??? Have to note that Cam wasn’t his normal self either. Normally he’s a lot better.
Up to this week
He was rated by Pro football Focus as the #3 LT in the whole league. So yeah I think he has played pretty well. I think he played well again today other than the penalties.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Sep 25, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he’s not. He’s not playing like a complete bust, either.
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The first drive after the 2nd half kickoff is everything that is wrong.
Just had a huge momentum shifting play at the end of the half. Come out and run 10 straight running plays for 34 yards and then punt. No one and I mean NO ONE in the NFL does that and is successful. You play like that if you have a three touchdown lead, maybe. No way do you even consider doing that with a 5 point lead and an idiot as a punter. That just fits in with Del Rio’s way too conservative nature. Fire Del Rio now. It is the only way to allow this team to grow and get better.
We've been a team
that’s been successful running like that. And we would have been fine if we would stop tripping over ourselves. Gabbert just killed us on those stalled drives.
Define successful?
They haven’t had a winning season since 2007. You don’t win in the modern NFL by playing this kind of football.
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Keotter is suppose to be a respected offensive mind in NFL circles so why isn’t it shown!
by Jagwired on Sep 25, 2011 4:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It is just time...`
I feel bad that JDR is making JWW look like an idiot..
I really don't see Del Rio as the reason today for the loss
Koetter has to go. He is an imbecile who did an atrocious job with the offensive playcalling today. How I wish he got that HC job in Denver!!!
How many offensive coordinators get to fall on Jack Del Rio’s sword before it’s Jack Del Rio’s fault?
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I couldn't care less how many
Afete all, it is not JDR who is choosing to run-run-run-run-run-run-pass-run-run-run-run-run……
Gabbert needed more freedom to throw the ball.
Also not my fault the Jags’ O-Coordinators haven’t worked out so well.
BTW, I am not saying JDR is not to blame for various aspects of this team and their woes, but I am not sure where JDR is at fault for today.
So, the Jaguars just coincidentally have hired 4 offensive coordinators during Del Rio’s tenure that go run-run-run-run-run-run-pass-run-run-run-run-run… ?
That’s a mighty coincidence, don’t you think?
This is not Dirk Koetter. This is nothing like the style of offense he ran at Boise State and Arizona State. Not even close.
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And what if Gabbert would have stunk up the place
with the run working really well, like it was? I seem to remember just last week throwing the ball into a horrible loss, when the run game was working somewhat well.
You don’t have to abandon the run. It’s not about throwing the ball more, either. It’s about mixing up the play calling.
Running the ball 10 consecutive times after the half because you have a 5-point lead is non-sensical. This offense handicaps itself.
The Jaguars didn’t lose against the Jets because they “threw the ball more”. They lost because McCown made some terrible throws. I’d rather lose with Gabbert throwing 4 interceptions than have to watch that crap they did in Carolina. It’s infinitely more infuriating to watch this team coach themselves to a loss by trying to squat on a 5-point lead.
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True.. But first he needs to learn how to get the snap from center.. Baby Steps! SMH
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 25, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to look at the trend and the common denominator.
If you have an under performing and conservative offense through multiple OC’s but always the same HC, the common factor is the HC. Kill the HC and the OC problem will get fixed.
doubt it is going to be the case here
might be, but Koetter is not that good of an OC. It is that simple.
Then you clearly know nothing about Koetter outside of his tenure in Jacksonville. This is absolutely nothing like Dirk Koetter’s offenses in his past.
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But..
Del Dumbo will only bring in another Koetter. The OC is the choice of the HC. Del Dumbo wants conservative play calls. You can’t kill this beast by cutting off an arm, you need to chop off the head. Bring us the head of Del Rio on a silver platter!
The boss isnt ever gonna fall on his own sword..JDR says the same BS every week. Koetter was a highly sought after offensive mind from college. He was a coach that aired the ball out..hmmm wonder where his playbook went?
This is all on JDR. Even if Koetter was calling these lame plays all Jack has to do tell to start throwing.
No matter what happens the HC makes the final decision on the way the game is played.
Entire team played subpar...
The D played good but keep int drops and this game is over very quickly. Jags scout needs to find a WR in the draft and get him ASAP.
Blaine played like a rookie but his support was the worst.
What was thought to be a strength in Special Teams seems to be the worst.
There’s still hope but the Jags need to sustain drives cause the D is gonna tire late in the season!!!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 25, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Scobee is on fire. Two 53+ yard FG in back to back weeks is great
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by montanajagsfan on Sep 25, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jags played the same for the past eight years before Keotter was the OC. Del Rio is the problem Weaver has used the quote “insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results!” Apparently Weaver hasn’t been watching the games for the last eight years.
by Jagwired on Sep 25, 2011 4:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They have to drop the conservative perspective and get more balance
You have to throw the ball in the league now and they need to understand that. Also the line has to clean up the penalties. I think running the hurry up might help them out as well, that really seems to be Gabbert’s comfort zone. Blaine can sling the rock, let him sling it!
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
Alfie, every single sentence you just wrote
is exactly on point. Seriously. I have no sympathy left for Del Rio.
IMO, if you don’t have at least a two possession lead, you should almost always play as if you’re behind. Instead of just waiting to get behind, and then do something.
Jaxson>>>
I kept asking myself
Why didn’t they try to involve marcedes Lewis more? I thought he was going to have a big game.
by rusty904 on Sep 25, 2011 4:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well...
…that would require actually throwing the ball.
Either way, Del Rio has got to go. 9 years of the same thing over and over with both OCs and DCs leaving here and being succesful elsewhere is enough for me to be over him. Nice enough guy, but he’s got to go.
Well for one
I thought Carolina covered Lewis well on plays designed for him. In fact I thought Gabbert did a good job of not forcing passes to him.
How many more seasons do we have to go through until we get a game changing wide receiver? Jason Hill was targeted 5 times today and caught the ball once. The one on the slant was the worst. Gabbert put it right on the numbers and Hill just let it fall to the ground. If we pass on a wide receiver in the first two rounds of the draft this year it doesn’t matter who the hell the head coach is. What QB could work with these guys? Thomas would be a great slot receiver, but we don’t have a number 1 guy or even a number 2. It’s pretty sad. Also Cecil Shorts should not be returning punts, twice in this game he gave us terrible field position.
The players are not the problem.
It’s coaching. And, it was raining today. It’s not the best time to be that critical of the passing game.
Jaxson>>>
Honestly,
I don’t like the way Hill Handles himself on the field. He disrespectful to refs, and other players. But he will make plays and IT WAS POURING.
Jaxson>>>
So that is your excuse not to upgrade the WR’s? That they make mistakes? How many mistakes do they need to make until we get an upgrade. I’m sick of the Ernest Wilford’s, the Reggie Williams’, Troy Williamson’s and Jason Hill’s. It’s time that we get a Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald. I bet you our offense would be ten times better.
Reggie Williams was good.
Maybe not 9th pick overall good, but good. He is still tied for the most TDs recieving in a season. Do not lump him in with Troy Williamson and Jason Hill.
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Out of the league because of bad choices...
Drugs, specifically. He had 10 Tds, he was good.
PS- he had a TD for the Sacramento MountainLions in their 1st game. 1 game, one TD.
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Okay
We’ll just go to the WR tree and grab a big, fast one that runs great routes and catches everything that comes near him. Piece of cake.
Take a deep breath, bro.
Week 3. We have a rookie QB who we hope will improve each week. Less rain and more experience can only improve the offense.
look man it hasnt been 3 games..its been 9 years..doesnt have anything to do with the rain or the rook QB. this team isnt equipped to get better with the coaching staff we have.
I guess I should have clarified
I had the “top 5” comment in mind when I made that remark, although people talk like every team has a Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson. I know we’ve had WR problems for a long time, but pointing to the absolute best receivers in the league doesn’t make them easy to come by.
Justin Blackmon
likes fumbling the ball through the endzone for fun, with no one near him to stop him from scoring a TD. I thought Jason Hill played well. He was directly responsible for saving Gabbert from another INT.
I don't see how he played well
if you give him credit for saving an INT then he played at best OK IMO. He has no deception to his route running and has mediocre hands.
Sammy Watkins is a Beast too! For Clemson.. I hope gene is lookking at him
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 25, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
hes a freshman...
save your love for a couple of years haha
I'm not disagreeing
with you on getting good receiver’s.
I’m saying that they can work with what they have if they would throw it more.
A passing attack will open the run, which will, then, really open up the vertical game. The more they let Blaine throw it, the better everyone will get. Good QB’s make good receivers.
Jaxson>>>
That's all true....
if the QB plays well. And sorry, but Gabbert hasn’t shown me anything to suggest he’s a winner yet.
Potentially a great player in the future however. Just still hasn’t shown anything yet, except for talent, which doesn’t win you games.
I do think it has to do with players, but...
I was thinking the same thing about the rain. It probably played into the conservative game plan, too, to be honest. I wouldn’t expect 30-35 passes in a rookie QB’s first game and in a torrential downpour.
I think Hill was actually targeted about 3 times not counting the one called back
He caught one, one was too close to the sideline for him to get his feet in and he dropped one, so your wrong one that. The receivers are ok imo, but the Jags have to throw more often and not just when its predictable, I think thats the issue more than anything else. And Shorts gave bad field position how? He fielded the ball but had no space to return the majority of the time.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Shorts is not a good returner.
He catches balls on the 5…let it go and bounce. Also, he called for a fair catch and then ran – but got away with it.
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Let it go with three panthers right beside you?
That would have been real smart.. are you available to return punts?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You must not know much about football...
You dont catch the ball on the 5. It cant get much worse, let it bounce and hope it makes it into the end zone. Those guys have to catch it and down it – which many teams cant do.
That is a basic rule of thumb, let it go that close to the goal line.
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No thats not how its done.
You catch it where you can so they don’t down it behind you. And when did he catch the ball the 5, must have turned the channel on that play, or it was your imagination, im betting on the latter.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, you are so wrong.
You establish your line (as Ewdtrey said) then pretend it is coming to you so the defenders – who are running with their backs to the ball, slow up thinking you are catching it. Then, it bounces behind you into the end zone (hopefully).
Again, Football 101.
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Well maybe he just needs to work on his acting then
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What he needs to do
is let the ball bounce through the endzone instead of catching it on the 5, which he did.
Maybe if he acts like he is bouncing the ball will bounce too
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Why am I crazy? Lets send him to acting school
or better yet, how about we send him to your football camp, I’m sure he could learn a few things
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What you really do...
is signal fair catch and stand on the ten simulating the fair catch hoping the other team is not able to spot the ball flight before it hits and bounces into the endzone. At least one or two of the players will have to respect the fair catch call and watch it in case it is legit. That is less guys who have a chance to down the ball.
You never catch the ball usually from the 9yrd line back... LET IT GO.
More times than not it’s a touchback.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 25, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t fair catch inside the 10. That’s like punt returning 101 man.
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A WR is a must in the off season...
When MSW was the vocal point, Mike Thomas flourished!!!!
Get a true #1 WR and the Jags will be a playoff team…that WR would ensure more third down conversion, a non-fatigue D, MJD fresh…just that simple!!!!!!
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Britton?????
THis may be his first game back….but he was struggling out there….completely wiffed on that safety on the first drive……
this is his 3rd year. if he doesnt improve, gotta draft a replacement to sure up that line.
Monroe had some key penalties himself. Screams of a team that isnt coached well.
delrio has to go, its time.
Sigh....
This is what I love about Jags fan.
Ok so he did allow the safety but other than that I thought he was pretty solid for one week of practice at the position. At least as good as Rackley has played lately.
But it’s typical everyone looks at one play of 60 and says oh that guy sucks because he screwed up one play. Just like Monroe was horrible because he was penalyzed twice.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember Boselli complaining once...
about the plight of offensive linemen. DLs have to make one big play, and they’ve had a decent day. OLs allow one big play, and everyone wants a replacement.
Britton was bad the majority of the game. Late on pulls, struggled to get off the ball, and got pushed back.
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What would you expect when the last time he played LG was?????
Do you know? 3 Practices total at LG, he didn’t practice at LG at any other point before this week right?
by Atl- Jags Fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
but those 2 penalties were HUGE. He doesn’t suck, but those led directly to a sfety, and not getting a first down. Awful, awful, plays.
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WTF!!!! Pro NFLrecievers and can't F'ing catch a F'ing pass right to them.. SHAME!
That was a F’ing horrible show of offense..Even before the rain.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I usually say keep DelRio, but...
he has got to go. I thought that he made 2 mistakes that were unacceptable, but unfortunately have become par for the course with our Jaguars:
1. He is a terrible clock mananger. With about 2:30 left in the game, we stopped the run, then didn’t use our TO. WHY? We had the 2 minute warning coming, and if we use it there, we get the ball back with much more time on the clock then we did.
2. How in the hell does he not know the clock immediately starts running after a review??? My wife even knew that! That is typical of the stupid BS that has reached an unacceptable level.
Fire JDR.
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well.
1) He either was going to use his TO there, get the 2 min warning, then have carolina run off 30 sec. or wait get the 2 minute warning and then have carolina run off 30 sec
2)The clock doesn’t start immediately after a review it starts when the ball is put in play but the ref, but either way that would have been the last play
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
1. If he takes the TO at 2:29…the Panthers run a play, then the 2 minute warning, then they run a play, and let the clock tick as far as they can – which saves the 29 seconds.
2. When its an official review (under 2 mins) and you are out of TOs, the clock immediately starts after the ref spots it. You have to snap the ball immediately – there was 16 seconds left. Last play either way??? Huh?
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They werent at 2:29 when that happen, it was around the 2:13 mark
and it was third down. The time left would have been the same either way.
And yes it would have been the last play, Meester wouldn’t snap the ball so he wasted about 10 seconds but if he had snapped the ball right away and had a big completion, there wouldnt have been enough time to spike it as well.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless we were lucky enough
to hit a guy on the sidelines.
I think with 16 sec left the Panthers would have played nothing but the sidelines.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That'd be my guess.
Hence, the use of the word “lucky.”
by Mahlalie on Sep 25, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
true, very true
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by montanajagsfan on Sep 25, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
JDR is usually a really good clock manager. Obviously you need to take another look at the math there. It’s better to call a TO with 2:01 left on the clock. It means you can have a whole play take 1 second. Taking one at 2:30 stops the clock, but it doesn’t give you an extra play.
JDR is here for the season
Weaver’s nothing if not scared of making a decision & looking bad. There have been two decisions the Jags have made this year that have made national coverage – Dumping Del Rio & starting Gabbert. Both have (unfairly) been railed as knee-jerk decisions. Weaver’s not about to be taken to task for the knee-jerk firing of a coach.
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so your saying weaver shouldn't fire del rio cause we have made other drastic decisions?
thats what happens when u have a bad team. drastic changes
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess venting with PG language gets comments deleted.
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The Biggest problem wasn't Del Rio
I’d say the biggest problem and one of the reasons why we lost the game was turnovers.
I lost count at 6 of the number of interceptable passes that Newton threw. I mean he was WILD all over the place. It could have easily been a 3-8 INT game. I mean throw after throw were thrown to where a defender could have picked it, yet none were actually picked. It would have completely changed the game. Also how many drops between center and QB? And of course the dumb drop by Turk. Turnovers changed this game.
I believe Koetter calls the plays so why are we running 22 of 23 to start the second half. I get the field conditions were bad. But you don’t win in today’s NFL running ineffectively 22 times in a row.
I get Del Rio is responsible for getting them 2-3 shots at end of game. But, if some of those INT’s had happened I see a completely different game.
And let me further clarify that I'm also...
in the camp that Del Rio is going to have to go for this team to have some success.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw the turning point
being the draw play on 3rd and 8, for nothing. We needed to score on that drive. On the game thread “Rhett” chimed in and called it. “We gonna lose because of” [that] and we did.
Jaxson>>>
That was the most frustrating part of the game for me.
I ran to my computer to vent and Rhett’s comment was the first thing I saw and then I ran back to the TV.
Jaxson>>>
Yeah, we nominate him as HC
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 25, 2011 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As a long as Del Rio is coach this team will do nothing worthy at all
Jack is a joke no other team in the league would let a coach hold on to his job for so long with that kind of results He is not respected by the team at all
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell..
even another coach has made comments about JDR keeping his job this loing and not doing anything
plus 1,000,000...
I stated that earlier…the jags D get a few hand on those ints (it was actually 7 picks) this game is a blow out in hind site…can’t go back…we lost and sit third in the division…Gabbert showed some good things…just need to catch the ball…
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by SDubxl456 on Sep 25, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gabbert..
Needs to work on taking snaps from under center heavily in practices..should be used more in shotgun and play-action plays in the mean time. He definately looks the part on the field and carries himself like a vet in the game. He will be GOOD. But, he lacks weapons. He lacks a head coach and offensive coordinator that realizes that there is a lack of weapons and uses them therefore to their best abilities. He lacks a GM that is humble enough to draft a bigtime player who may have a bit of an ego or issue in character but
by b: on Sep 25, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
…..he consistently performs on the field. This team will be great in the future, just as long as.that future does not include Jack and Gene. Mr. Weaver, its time. Stop giving Gene excuses as well because his arrogance and know it all attitude when it comes to drafting players is digging us further in a hole. For Goodness sake Gene give us some dominating players from good div 1 schools! Wtf!? Send this circus packing.
by b: on Sep 25, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gabbert didn’t have problems taking the snap in camp or the preseason, so I’m going to hopefully chalk this up to game conditions. A few of the snaps looked like they were on Meester.
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I try not be negative after a loss but I HATE JACK DEL RIO
You pick a qb in the top ten and let him throw the ball 5 times in the second half!!!!! Jesus isn’t obvious whatever the jags do or change there are hardly any results!! Because JACK the ripper is the one thing that the jags have held on to and he is taking this team down with him
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
PANIC MODE!!!!
Fire everybody!!! Gabbert, Del Rio, Koetter, Tucker, Smith, Weaver and especially Jaxon De Ville, that guy HAS TO GOOOO!!!
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
Don't forget
the equipment manager. He’s been killing us all season long!
its not panic mode jack has been here for some time now
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So many jags fans are so content with using the same excuses every season
Its the same team year after year doing the same stuff losing games in the exact same way we did the season before. its ridiculous it starts with the coach. But no at least we got rid of garrard that was obviously our problem wasnt it
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said I was content?
I’m just not one of these knee-jerk reacting idiots that responds to every problem with fire this guy, cut this guy, trade for this guy, call this guy out of retirement. I think a lot of things went into the Offensive philosophy this game, namely, It being Gabbert’s first start, the O-line mistakes, the success they were having running during the end of the 2nd and start of the 3rd, the condition of the field and the way the defense was playing.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i never singled you out. You did that to ourself
I’m the idiot that has been saying fire del rio for 3 years. But look what your doing making excuses it was bgs first start it was raining blah blah. We lost. Bad game plan. But maybe next time right?
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot we were playing Madden
Good execution trumps good game plan 99 times out of ten. Fumbled snaps and dropped passes won’t work no matter how many times you want to pass the ball.
and u wanna say that attention to detail has nothing to do with the coach? haha
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
really you think JDR can teach him that? he cant even teach his LB’s how to cover LB’s. not to mention the fact he cant teach veteran OL’man to block, not to hold or i dont know..snap the ball after the ref renders the ruiling on a challange..yeah sure i want that coach to tell the rookie qb how to take a snap
Thats not wasn't an excuse
I said that before that they need to air it out more but thats highly unlikely in a rainstorm with a QB making his first start.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think most fans just want the team to air it out. i think the might want a situation where: they arent sitting at home on the couch, and their wives are calling multiple plays in a row, at extremely important times of the game.
So your saying you want them to draw up different run plays?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
im not saying it is just one type of play. it is not only the plays they call in certain situations, but how and when they use their personel. year in and year out. the “WHOLE BODY OF WORK” that JDr continues to preach to everyone doesnt change. nor has it brought this team a different result. There have been dozens of coaches, and players that have come, and gone on this team. the fact remains that JDR is the head man, and things havent changed.
Where is he preaching that to everyone?
Things haven’t changed, at least offensively, because they have been limited by their QBs abilities and now that they have one with those abilities they want to bring him along slowly, the beautiful thing about blanket statements is they neglect the small details into why something happens.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
might want to get your knee’s checked..this has been an ongoing crappy coaching issue for the last 3 years if not longer. im sorry but week in and week out we have the same game plan. whether is was DG, LM, or BG we continue to never put teams away. our play calling is predictive. we constantly have teams that make mental mistake after mistake. JDR’s body of work is right in front of us. todays game is just a small microcosim of the last 5 years. our team is mediocre, and isnt getting better. we were lucky to get close last year. not to mention the other years.
It’s been 8 years.
This is far from “knee-jerk”.
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Alfie, I agree 100%
I think rookies like Bradford and Newton have been asked to do more so they develop faster and then they DO MORE. How can Gabbert develop if all he’s doing in a game is handing off?
Plus, Bradford played last year...
so that really helped him have an edge on Gabbert.
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no progress
season is more or less over.
looks like another rebuilding year under JDR.
It is the 3rd or 4th, or the 5th???
Who cares. Jags have a terrible front office and coaching staff. change it or get used to losing seasons!!!
I am fed up with JDR.
Exactly
Every season you can tell by the first 3 or 4 games the jags will be the exact same team they were last year it sad. We need change we need results
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
The front office is a joke a it trickles down to the coaching. I believe the Jags could have gotten more premium free agents in the past as well but the players probably hear word of mouth about how the organization is run and opt to go elsewhere. People will say Gene needs more time blah, blah and then point out a handle full of OK or players with POTENTIAL that he has drafted but where are the stars? The pro bowl players? And by the way, isn’t HE really the one running the show? Hence the.name GENERAL MANAGER. If you ask me, Gene has done a terrible job managing team affairs. He has had the power to rid us of Del Rio but he has to save his own arse. Let us not forget, Gene has been here as long as Jack and was Shack Harris’ LEAD SCOUT. Hmmm….Shack is now in Detroit doing well for himself. Gene is still the one other constant Besides Del Rio. Wise up fans, In Gene NO Trust.
by b: on Sep 25, 2011 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When did Gene have the chance to get rid of JDR? Week in and week out is see a coaching staff that isnt utilizing players. Week in and week out i see a coaching staff that manages to play so close to the vest as if not to blow A 5 POINT LEAD! Maybe every player Gene in 3 drafts hasnt killed it on. He has given this staff some talented players. Some of these players continue to not do the small things to win games. Other players and the plays run havent been run to utilize what we do have. When is it the common demoninator is removed from the equation?
On a positive note...
how did Cam Newton do going for another 400 yard game? LOL. We had him on the run all game. Good job by the defense. Newton is seriously inaccurate.
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Not really
I just think he was having a bad day. He wasn’t throwing it wide, nor did the ball wobble much. He was throwing low and high, something he does from time to time.
I don't blame JDR at all.
It was a complete deluge. Most teams would have ran the ball as much as we did with MJD. We lost due to untimely penalties, fumbles, and a FUBAR game clock at the end of regulation. Not the play calling. You can’t go airing it out on the road in a complete and utter downpour with a rookie QB making his first start. It would have been much worse than 16-10 had they started passing it like crazy with Gabbert in the 2nd half.
I get what you are saying...
but this isn’t knee jerk reactions to 1 game. This is going on a decade of poor clock management, sorry play calling, .500 records, and late season collapses. Something has got to give.
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I honestly think there is some knee-jerk to this.
I get the whole “JDR is the constant” thing, but so much changes from season to season and even week to week that it’s hard to make a blanket argument like that. They’re trying to bring along a rookie QB slowly. The situation has changed drastically this season at the most important position. I think people should let that play out a little longer than one start before they start calling for the firing of a whole staff in some cases.
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Wow. I didn’t realize you were out there! Finally. Some refreshing level-headedness.
please. he will be fired at the end of the season regardless
get it over with
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
firing JDR now
So, WW should fire him now to get it over with? Because that will make YOU feel better? Right?
by Kevin Grab on Sep 25, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we all know how this song that is the 2011 season is going to end.
couple of soul crushing losses, a few wins, and then lo and behold, we’re in the hunt in week 13, then we go to crap the last 4 games.
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It'll get better
Remember, winning fixes everything. People will complain in the meantime, and it’s possible that it won’t happen under JDR. But it will happen, and everyone will sound a whole lot more sensible when it does.
I agree
QB of the future made his first start with no help from anyone offensively, lets watch at least one more game before we make a decision
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No one said pass like crazy
but if Gabbert can throw a 40+ yd. TD pass in a deluge, let him throw it on a 3rd and 8, it wasn’t raining then.
Jaxson>>>
RE: if Gabbert can throw a 40+ yd TD pass in a deluge...
Well, he DID throw a 36 or 37 yd TD pass to Mike Thomas before halftime…are we now demanding that rookie QB’s making their first start in a downpour be Dan Marino or Joe Montana all of a sudden. People. Come on. Be reasonable. It sucks that we lost, but c’mon.
You've missed the point.
This is ongoing stupid play-calling that’s been around for years. If a player makes a mistake, I’m okay with that. But you must give the team a chance to score points or you do not win.
Jaxson>>>
I have missed the point?
Okay. Well, Wayne Weaver should hire you to be the next head coach, then iodrew. I am starting the website now. Hire “iodrew” Wayne Weaver! C’mon! I am a season ticket holder and I demand you hire “iodrew”, or I am not buying any more tickets!
I don't want to be head coach...
but I am getting bored with the mediocrity that we have come to accept from Del Rio. If this was NY he wouldve been fired with a quickness after 2 late season collapses.
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Obviously
being a season ticket holder has gone to your head. Why are you calling out my screen name in such a disrespectful way and sarcastically insinuating I’m fit to coach (or implying to be one), because you disagree with the facts?
Jaxson>>>
Facts?
Facts, eh? Wow. Sounds like you’re either delusional or have become pathological. Say something enough times and it becomes a “fact”, right? And you’re calling ME disrespectful? You’re calling out the coaching staff and calling them stupid. That’s not being disrespectful? C’mon now. Really?
Its not..
thats we are asking too much of Gabbert, well at least I’m not. I’m asking for a change in staff, and upgrade in receivers. Not much to ask when looking at the last 9 years under the Rio, co starring Gene.
by b: on Sep 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did you want Coughlin fired too?
Be honest. Who of you that want JDR fired also wanted Coughlin fired back in 2003? C’mon now. Like I said, be honest. Man up.
did u blame JDR the year before that? or the one before that? or how about the one before that?
Its ok guys we are rebuilding
by Pocket Hercules on Sep 25, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
we lost the game for many more reasons
Than clock mismanagement at the end… you mentioned some f them already.
Other reasons:
- Our punt return team as a whole is atrocious right now.
- Offense is going three-and-out way more this year (and in this game)
- Matt Turk’s bobbled punt
- Failure to cover TEs on that last drive (though I’m not sure where to put fault on that since we don’t really have game film or know the coverage assignments)
Newton IS inaccurate!
He’s way overhyped. Gabbert was much more accurate. Newton missed wide open receivers AT LEAST 1/2 dozen times. If we allow that stuff next week vs. Brees, he will light us up for 300-400 yds. I think it will be extremely difficult to beat NO next week, but I am always hoping for the best.
by Kevin Grab on Sep 25, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Newton
is the first rookie in NFL history to reach 1000 yds. in his first three games. Do you give no credit to our defense?
Jaxson>>>
Newton
Oh, no. You got me all wrong, man. I give much cred to the defense. They played very well. I was merely stating my displeasure for the Cam hype. He missed wide open guys that almost any other QB would have easily hit for completions. Including Gabbert. IMO.
Obviously
you didn’t watch his first two games. Everything leading up to today suggested he was a great QB. Obviously he didn’t play well. And in either case his first 2 games were great performances and no one can take that away from him. No one was saying that he was great QB, so he wasn’t over rated, they were saying he had a great start.
I watched the tape from the GB game
And, honestly, Cam didn’t scare me. 400 yards or not, he looked like a rookie to me.
I guess you're the only one
I haven’t heard/seen a single person with any good knowledge of the game agree with you.
I don't claim to be a pro.
I saw some good passes and some in which he got in trouble staring down his receiver. Obviously, he can make plays with his feet as well. He got a decent amount of yards off dump-offs as well. He got happy feet on occasion. It just wasn’t as amazing as 400 yards makes it sound. He looked like a good rookie to me, but he looked like a rookie. That was what my unprofessional eyes told me. I have little doubt he has a bright future, though. I just don’t think his present is quite as bright as people think. Dropped passes didn’t help him against GB, either.
Dirk has to take some of the blame here
Today’s game shows that WHEN JDR is released Dirk should NOT be the one to replace him.
Blame
Does it make us feel better to place blame? What difference does that make to do that? We lost a close game on the road in horrible weather with a rookie QB. Just accept it. It’s a part of sports.
Also a part of sports:
fans venting anger afterwards. We like to scream for heads to roll, even though we know we have no power to do anything. Its all part of the grieving process. Right now Im still in my “anger” stage. Im hoping to reach “acceptance” by tomorrow.
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You're going to give yourself high blood pressure
Screaming, anger, venting. It’s just a game. It’s supposed to be fun win or lose. What ever happened to good sportsmanship? Suck it up, dude.
Well, losing is never fun.
People are different. It usually takes less than an hour for me to recover from a loss. I rarely get angry in life, though, and football’s no different. I’m usually just a bit glum for a short while. Not everyone can say that.
Blood pressure
Trust me. I love this team with all my heart. I get upset and disappointed when they lose too. But it’s just football. No use getting all bent out of shape over.
I really don't...
I was joking about the stages of grief…anger, denial, acceptance, etc. I have a 2 year old, and had a liver transplant 4 years ago – I understand what’s important to me and worth worrying about.
It’s just so frustrating to see us play so poorly. Hopefully we still salvage some wins this year. GO JAGUARS,
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Well, I am glad you had a successful operation...
…and got that transplant, man. That’s good stuff. You do seem to have a good perspective, my friend. Cheers, and GO JAGUARS!
by Kevin Grab on Sep 25, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a question: What’s the point of your comments? You’re complaining about people complaining. You’re telling people they should just deal with it. Why come here?
If you don’t want other people’s opinions, stay out of the comments. It’s the internet, not a newspaper. It’s not static.
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Rashean Mathis
Oh yeah, and here’s another point to be made. Seems as though it’s been real popular to bash our best CB as of the past few years, yet no one seems to want to praise the guy after he holds Steve Smith to 2 catches for 15 yards. How about it? Where are all you Mathis bashers now?
by Kevin Grab on Sep 25, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And I don't think he was even covering him
on the 2 catches. I know Coleman was covering him for one of them. I can’t remember when he got his other catch, or at least who was covering him at the time.
Well,I still don't think he is better than Cox
But he has played great so far this season, he did an excellent job on Smith and I think that was one of the main reasons for Newton’s “struggles”.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone knows
Mathis is better. Gerald Sensy made has said as much, and he made it sound like if you think different it’s cuz you’re a tard.
What does what someone else said have to do with my opinion?
nothing, and as far as the rest of your comment, you can go to hell jackass.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did the name calling come from?
All I was trying to say is that someone with good knowledge of the situation made it sound like Mathis was the better player, and it wasn’t even close.
Easy, fellas.
Sylvester. I don’t think Ewdtrey was calling you a tard himself. He was just saying that a former player made it sound as if you thought that way about the CB’s that you were a tard. LOL. This is funny. I hear what both of you are trying to say and I understand both sides of the argument. Now, gentlemen. Let’s all shake hands and make nice, now. Cigars?
this is where it came from
if you think different it’s cuz you’re a tard.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Saying "he made it sound like" doesn't really change anything
your still trying to say it, your just saying indirectly
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
I hear you. I just don’t get the feeling that he quite meant it like that, man.
Offense IS WEAK SON!!!!
You cant run the ball to “Protect” the lead when your up by 2. Our O is so freaking sad. Is it Jack holding back Dirk or is Dirk scared to open up the playbook? I feel sorry for the Defense, These guys are busting their butts for nothing
or how about
none of us really know because we aren’t in that locker room, coaches offices, or front office.
JDR
He went to the playoffs 2x in his first 5 seasons with 1 playoff win while having 4 out of 5 1st round draft picks be total busts. Not average or even decent players, but complete and total busts. I’d say that makes him a hell of a coach. Anyone that can survive James Harris for 5+ years and still make the playoffs is a genius IMO.
Well...
4 years ago, we were starting a season that would end in heartbreak with WRs dropping passes that probably would have taken us to the AFC Championship if I’m not mistaken.
Forget get it.
Del Rio is an awesome coach! It was raining…that why we Lost. We started a rookie….thats why we Lost. The Line was shaken up..thats why we lost. We are rebuilding..thats why we Lost. Shack Harris cursed us…thats why we Lost. We have had a short off season…thats why we lost. On and on u guys go.
by b: on Sep 25, 2011 7:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
No one wants to look at the talent that he has had, only the record.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Sep 25, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
JDR
The last 4 years? Yeah, well, that’s a result of the James Harris era. At least 1/2 of your 1st rounds picks should become staples on your team. That means at least 1/2 of Leftwich, Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Reggie Nelson, and Harvey should be coming into their prime right NOW as fixtures/starters. Instead, they’re complete busts and are not even on the roster. What head coach COULD weather that? So, why blame JDR if he had no choice? He and Gene wanted Suggs instead of Lefty. They wanted Big Ben instead of Reggie. And even if those picks had gone through, I GUARANTEE you Gene would have taken Aaron Rodgers instead of Matt frickin’ Jones. See where I am going with this? Yes, it was years ago, but we’re still feeling the effects of all that poor drafting. Gene is fixing it. I don’t want a NEW coach. Won’t do any good. Trust me.
James Harris
Is to the Jaguars as the atomic bomb was to Hiroshima. Understand it. Understand what Gene took over 3 years ago, and know that it takes TIME to overhaul a team the way he has had to. I’m sick of the bitching and complaining and calls for a new head coach just because you all are frustrated. Well, I don’t want the same thing to happen with JDR as happened with Coughlin, okay. So, please. For the love of God and all that is good in this world. Let the “fire JDR” crap go, people. Please. I am begging you.
by Kevin Grab on Sep 25, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Smoking
I appear to be one of the few persons that is not smoking anything funny.
You should try it.
You might wake up and relax, a little.
Jaxson>>>
by iodrew on Sep 25, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
And we all know how awesome those Bengals are.
I'll take 2 1/2 lbs please..
"POUND THE ROCK MOJO!!!"
by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 25, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying fire him today. Give him the season and see what plays out...
But we need to evaluate where we are, and where we think JDR is taking this team he has had 9 years. Doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
With all due respect (and I mean that)...
in·san·i·ty
noun \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\
plural in·san·i·ties
Definition of INSANITY
1
: a deranged state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder (as schizophrenia)
2
: such unsoundness of mind or lack of understanding as prevents one from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or as removes one from criminal or civil responsibility
3
a : extreme folly or unreasonableness b : something utterly foolish or unreasonable
He's playing on Wayne Weaver's favorite saying.
don’t think he’s quoting Webster’s dictionary
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It's a dumb saying IMO.
I love Wayne to death, but that is a stupid saying. I hate it when I hear people say it. Especially people I respect and admire. Sigh. Oh well…
It's attributed to Benjamin Franklin and Albert Einstein
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I realize that. I just don't buy it.
Franklin and Einstein said the exact same quote? Two public figures that lived roughly 100 years apart? I suppose it’s possible that Franklin said it, but even if he did say it, that would mean that Einstein was simply quoting Franklin. Either way. It’s not the true definition of the word.
It's one of those things when people say, If you look up ______ in the dictionary, ______ will appear.
Just words man. Nothing more.
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I understand.
Yeah, I get it. I’m just picky like that.
And I'm coming off my buzz.
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Gotta admit...
Not feeling optimistic about the Saints game. Hope at least it’s not blazing hot.
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It'll be blazing hot at my tailgate
Jambalaya!!!
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I'm at the point this year of just taking it all in
low expectations. Like I said earlier, if we’re sub .500 at the bye, I strongly believe JDR needs to go. This loss was all on him.
Love Van Gorder “OMFG!!!”
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I am with you.
Gonna just enjoy the home games.
Get my picture with the skeleton, eat good food, and see who comes to play.
The ship be sinking!
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It's called:
Anal retentive. Look that up.
Jaxson>>>
by iodrew on Sep 25, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As an English teacher I appreciate your holding people to their words, though.
Too many young people seem to fail to grasp the power of words.
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I was in a swimming pool all game
Across the water from Eben Britton’s house apparently.
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yes. by the pitcher of margaritas.
I was tempted to throw it in the pool the last 16 seconds. How did JDR and Meester not know there is an immediate run off?
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the margaritas?
Had too many of them
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Oh, you...
No. The boneheaded veteran center and Coach not knowing something my wife knew. She was screaming to have 2 plays ready when the ball got whistled in. She’s come a long way – very proud of her.
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But i do agree with you, JPQ!, on the whole...
…not firing him now front. I’m totally with you on that, man.
Gene the Genius..
As most of you all see him, has failed to recognize that the league has changed. Maybe most don’t want to face it but the popular belief is True, the pundits are right. We must be able to pass in this league. Gene has drafted Nothing but slot receivers. He drafted Zach Miller who is an ex quarterback project player that has yet to impact a game. Lane, Scott Mcgee, Underwood, Dillard..Prosinski, rod Isaac, I mean come on man! I don’t think any other GM would hv drafted any of these players..seriously. Gene thinks he knows more than the next but honestly teams are getting rooks that come in instantly impacting games. And one more point..I like Deji but..but..umm..ill save my judgement til the end of the season. Haha
by b: on Sep 25, 2011 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Haw many teams have gotten as much productivity out of his entire draft class?
Blame is being shifted to the wrong guy.
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100% agree with Joe in this.
Plain and simple. Gene is as excellent and as thorough an evaluator of talent as one could ask for. John Oehser has backed up that sentiment, too, many times since he came here, and Johnny O covered Bill Polian for 10 years.
Just look at...
what Alualu and Knighton are doing up front on that D-line. No one can run up the middle on us. No one. They’re nearly impenetrable. 1st and 3rd round picks that were generally unheralded by the “draftnicks”. People made fun of us for the Alualu picks and no one gave credence to Knighton since he played college ball at Temple.
To pile
People here are pissed because 5th 6th and 7th rounders can’t get on the field, previous years they get cut, etc. It’s the NFL!!!
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Alualu was a beast as usual yesterday
We really missed Roth yesterday. He’s apparently the one DE not afraid to sack the qb.
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I don't think the DE's were afraid...
I just think Newton is that big and strong. I remember that one hit on the numbers in the back from Mincey where Newton is barely even moved and continues to make the play as if he doesn’t have a 270 lb Lineman draped around his back. I’m not sure anyone could have sacked Newton yesterday.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Sep 26, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to quibble...
But the Polians don’t know crap about getting talent. They made one great pick, and that’s why the Colts have won. How’s their talent look right now?
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Freeney, Mathis, Bethea, Wayne, Clark, Bullitt...
Better than Shack Harris.
Old Bum Shoulder Bullitt? Yeah, he's great.
All that “talent” and 1 super bowl win, huh? Impressive.
Being better than Shack in drafts is like being the tallest midget.
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Aside from Angerer, what do they have to show since '08?
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They've also sucked the last few drafts
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someone else who is seeing the truth - gene is way over rated
A Karim is nice, but please note that 1st guy thta lays habds on him always brings him down.
The best players on the team are still Shack Harris leftovers.
Gene has done nothing yet to warrant all the praise he gets. It’s like he’s praised as a great GM just because he’s not Shack Harris.
Jack Del Rio had his hand in the pot during the Harris’ era. Trying to make him out as a victim in all of this is misguided.
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Not venting or angry at all
Just trying to be a voice of reason and am trying to counterbalance all of the negativity with some logic, bro. LOL, though.
by Kevin Grab on Sep 25, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This year has been the best chance in
4 years to win the division and/or make the playoffs. We almost give away the game to Tennessee, after we dominated them. We lost last week because of one thing: Luke Mccown.
About Luke Mccown, he should of been pulled out after that third int. And you could also mention that Gabbert would of made more sense at the time to start. That in hindsight is on the guy who decides who plays: JDR. This game we lost entirely because of our $#&@ing playcalls. You cant run the ball and expect to beat 7 defenders each time. And every first down that you only 2 yards rushing makes it harder to get the first down.
We need to change coaches cuz if you ain’t part of the solution, you’re a part of the problem.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 25, 2011 6:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I have now vented and shall move on. But I still think that this should occur.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 25, 2011 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is the first game I have seen where I can unequivocally say this was a coaching loss.
I think JDR needs to be .500 by the bye week or he’s gone. Totally winnable game. That MJD only got 24 carries is borderline criminal.
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Only 24 carries is borderline criminal?
This isn’t Madden with 15 minute quarters. You do realize over the course of 16 games that is just under 400 carries… or in other words he would be 1st or 2nd in the league in carries.
you do realize...
that MJD is almost always 1st in carries in the league
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
--George Patton--
In this game, he needed the rock more.
Next week is going to be a passing week so he’ll likely get about 15
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What's the issue?
Some people are saying we need to open up the offense
Some people are saying we need to run more
I thought the play-calling was fine with two key exceptions: the stretch draw to Karim on 3rd and 8 from the 40 and the draw on 3rd and 11 from the 50.
Other than that, some bad penalties and way too many drops killed the team. Drops on offense and on defense I might add.
Del Rio is not calling the offensive plays. He advocates run-first, and he should, because MJD is our best player. You don’t open up your offense until the team is ready and properly constructed. The best chance we have is running the football and hoping Gabbert can be a good game manager until he proves he can do more. The game was competitive and if you think throwing 30 times at the expense of running the ball would have resulted in victory, you are delusional. The teams were playing in torrential rain and on a sloppy field, and both had problems catching and throwing well. You throw more when you feel it gives you the best chance to win. Based on Jones-Drew’s performance, it was pretty clear the team needed to ride him. I like the fact that he was utilized in the passing game more.
Every time Gabbert threw downfield (except for that brilliant play at the end of the 1st half, which by the way, was great coaching and great execution) the team failed to make big plays. The coaches aren’t going to ignore that kind of lack of production when they have a back playing lights out.
When your back is racking up yardage at that clip, you feed him. If that big run in the fourth isn’t called back on the phantom Monroe holding penalty, we might be singing a different tune. The Jags should have won this game, but the 3rd down ineptitude(3-14) is a big reason they lost. Coaching played a minimal role in this, and that is evidenced by the fact that everyone is mad at the coaches for different reasons; too much of this, too little of that.
We are starting a rookie QB, and the other two teams in that situation have also struggled.
This marks the 3rd week in a row that the Jags have handcuffed a QB that has been prolific in each of their other games. That is something to build on. And also, the pressure was there most of the game. Not every play, but most of the game. Mincey was giving Gross fits and would have had 2 sacks if Newton wasn’t such an ox; he is like a stronger, faster, more athletic Roethelisberger in his ability to throw while being hit.
No one complained about play calling when Taylor and MJD were destroying the opposition. If the team starts winning, people will calm down. If not, it will be like this every week.
Give Del Rio credit for the defensive improvements if you are going to castigate him for the offensive failures.
I thought Mel Tucker was the DC
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To all those who STILL support Del Rio
Alfie is 100% correct, this game was all on Del Rio. A game that we are leading at halftime where the defense is playing reasonably well against a weak opponent has to be won. It’s all on the coaching staff. We go into every game at a coaching disadvantage – Jack has had 9 years and all he’s done is over and over prove his mediocrity. This team will never develop as it should while he’s the coach, not Gabbert nor any other player. He’s got to go, and the sooner the better.
Maybe he needs to coach his son
I think the high school game is more his speed.
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by Joe Fisher on Sep 25, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He'd F that up
Put him in Union County or Monticello
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He would be overqualified, obviously
since he has more Super Bowl rings from coaching than any of us ever will
The waterboy on that team has more super bowl rings than us, JDR might be fine as a position or defensive cord. But not so much a head coach.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 25, 2011 11:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Peter Principle, whaley.
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I don't disagree
but to suggest he’s better off at the high school (even if it was a tongue in-cheek comment about his NFL head coaching ability) is just an ignorant and childish assertion
And that's the problem with many of the fans in this town.
It’s supposed to be about winning the Super Bowl – nothing less.
That's the goal for the players, not us...
If that’s the goal for us, then you’ve already failed, since you have fuck all to do with whether the Jaguars win a Super Bowl or not.
But that’s ok… keep demanding a Super Bowl win and continue to be dissapointed (roughly on average) %97 of the time.
For me, it's about showing improvement and aspiring to Colts like success.
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You’re just trolling now. We get it.
End it.
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thought it was "time to make the donuts"
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you laughed.
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Hahahaha...I diid.
But for the record, my dad (deceased), brother, uncles, cousins, and best friend are all NYPD.
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I knew you had NYPD lines in your family
donuts are low hanging fruit and a cliche
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So, how does it play out for the Rays?
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I hope they take the wild card...
And make the ALCS, so I can go to a game or two.
Plus, I f**king hate Boston.
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I can see the beginnings of a team...
Sloppy game.No doubt about it . From the QB center exchange to clock management. But underneath it all I see the genesis of a team unlike anything we’ve had in the last decade. We all knew(or should have known) that there would be growing pains with Gabbert. But the decision making was right, the timing was off because he had to read instead of it being instinctive. I am psyched about this team and can’t wait for next week
save your attitude i got one of my own
I'm sure I'll get booed but
Keep Del Rio for next year no matter what happens this year. I know it is “playoffs or bust” but this team is not going to make the playoffs. Let Blaine settle in and get a groove going. That would hurt a young QB having his coach and possible OC fired
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by tiquanunderwear on Sep 25, 2011 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Bill Cowher and Mike Leach!
I got a whopper in the car
by tiquanunderwear on Sep 25, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to both MNF games
I’m going to wear outrageous outfits
I got a whopper in the car
by tiquanunderwear on Sep 25, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Always makes me feel better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6KYAVn8ons&ob=av3e
If you've made enemies then you've stood up for something
Fire JDR?
Three years ago I posted on here that JDR should be fired and got blasted by almost every reader (including some of the BCC writers). It is funny to read how everyone wants his head on a platter now. LOL.
The likelihood of WW firing JDR during the season is slim, but I think management needs to do something in order to save this season. Does the front office have the balls to do it? Guess we’ll see.
Don't remind me of that.
But I will say that an idiot punter with a gash in his leg from an axe would still play better than Turk.
the comments on this thread and knee jerk reactions
remind me why I don’t take NFL football seriously. It is entertainment… just watch it.
Do you go to games?
After going to so many Jags games I feel like I’m a part of the team… The relationship sucks but when we win it feels amazing
I got a whopper in the car
by tiquanunderwear on Sep 25, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Everbank can get pretty rowdy
It was incredible before the MNF game…..after not so much
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by tiquanunderwear on Sep 25, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I do.
It’s the only way to get a view of everything on the field… TV only shows you where the ball is and never anything in the secondary.
I pay for that and I pay for having a good time watching football with my favorite team. I don’t pay to have a manic depressant experience based on winning or losing.
Were not depressed we just want the best for the team
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by tiquanunderwear on Sep 25, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
@Ewdtrey
what is you re beef with Gabbert, you keep saying how he shouldn’t be trusted and didn’t look decent
he just can't get off Garrard's you know what
Gabbert is going to be a beast.
Can't stand the truth?
worst play calling ever
that was the worst example of play calling in the league. Our defense cant win the game for us they do a good enough job keepin us in games we have no bussiness losing!! Its gonna be a long season.
The buck has to stop somewhere.
This year all I heard was it was just preseason. Well we are 3 games into the season and on third different QB who just plain and simple should have been the first to start with..If all we are going to do is hand off and WR screens. We obviously haven’t learned to finish the game with the time run off…and the Center/QB exchange looks alot like preseason.. And we don’t know what our best O-line pkg looks like. Is it still preseason???
By the Way
I am on the RUN DEL RIO OUT OF TOWN bandwagon.
If there was any positive, The Defense to me was very good. Playing against a QB that is as inaccurate as he was sure helps.
Coaches we need:
Head Coach: Billick or Gruden
Offensive Coordinator: Charlie Weiss
Defensive Coordinator: Keep Mel Tucker or bring back Jauron.
Because Billick and Gruden were so successful in their last few seasons?
What makes you believe two failed offensive gurus are going to bring life to an offense that is still forging a new identity with a new QB?
We are a run first team and should remain so until we no longer have to rely on MJD’s singular excellence for big plays.
I think the coach that best maximizes a top-rate talent at HB and still manages to keep the offense opened up is Harbaugh in Baltimore. That guy would be an upgrade. Weiss’s style would ruin this team. Personnel isn’t there for his designs.
What you forgot
They both won superbowls. And Gruden would have had two had he stayed with the Raiders.
by Roland Sogor on Sep 26, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Cmon Man
Fred Taylor had no problem running the ball when we were slinging the rock with Brunell right?
by Roland Sogor on Sep 26, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Brunell?
Brunell didn’t sling anything after 1999.
Taylor did a lot of damage after that.
Also, Gruden piggybacked a super bowl on Dungy’s team.
Billick was supposed to be an offensive genius, but won a super bowl with a terrible offense and a great defense, and never managed to achieve any balance.
So I stand by my point.
while we are at it
Let’s sign TO or Moss to play WR, and bring Favre to play QB while Gabbert learns. Maybe get Tiki Barber to spell MJD?
I figure these are valid suggestions since bringing in well known names always guarantee success…
Lol.
Are we really complaining that during a torrential downpour, with a stud at running back and a lead in the second half of a football game, the coach didn’t let his rookie quarterback playing in his first career start, who had fumbled multiple snaps and thrown a punt of an interception in the first half, throw the ball?
So: heavy rain + stud RB + lead + shaky start for rookie QB in first pro start = THROW MORE!!!
That really makes sense to everyone here?
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It’s not about literally throwing more. It’s about not putting a quarterback in situations fail, which is what they did.
Hell if the weather changed their playcalling so much… why was Gabbert throwing during the actual torrential downpour?
It was sunny in the second half. There’s not excuse for retarding the offense. It’s been the same crap since they made the playoffs in 2007.
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Agreed
At the end of the day you can look at 2, 3, 4 years ago and pick a game and more than likely it is the same thing being said.
Poorly coached team that does not put it’s players in a position to win.
Draft a top 10 QB and have him hand off all day. Do not start him at the beginning of the season because that is too much for him. What kind of a league are we playing in? I remember the Press Conference when he came here “NO MORE 3 YARDS AND A CLOUD OF DUST”
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