Botched snaps proved to be costly in defeat
by Adam Stites on Sep 26, 2011 2:22 PM EDT
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PrintThe play calling in the second half of the Jaguars' 16-10 loss to the Panthers has been the subject of much debate among Jaguars faithful over the last day. The Jaguars seemingly attempted to protect their five point lead by running an ultra-conservative strategy with a gameplan that leaned excessively on the running game.
While the gameplan ultimately proved to be unsuccessful, the Jaguars actually ran the ball with some success. During the opening drive of the second half that Alfie analyzed in an earlier post, the Jaguars accumulated three first downs and 38 yards rushing on eight consecutive running plays. They had the Panthers on the ropes and they clearly planned on continuously backing them down with a rushing attack.
However, a botched snap by Blaine Gabbert set the offense back into a 3rd and eight situation. It was one of four fumbled snaps by the rookie quarterback who, despite transitioning from a spread offense in college, never showed any struggles with taking snaps in training camp or preseason. Luckily for the Jaguars, all but one of those fumbles was recovered by a Jaguars player and the only one that wasn't was returned to the Jaguars due to an offsides penalty.
Though the Jaguars were fortunate to recover each of the fumbles, they set the offense back in each situation. One set the Jaguars in a 3rd and long situation which they were unable to convert and another came on a 3rd and one situation that forced the Jaguars to punt.
The playcalling was frustratingly conservative at times, but ultimately it was proving to be successful had certain setbacks not forced 3rd and long situations. The true frustration for me came when the Jaguars decided to attempt to convert a 3rd and eight with a draw play unsuccessfully and attempt to convert a 3rd and 11 with a draw play unsuccessfully on consecutive drives.
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The predictability is what's so infuriating...
They ran a successful draw with Karim on 3rd down once, so they went back to the well again and again. Every time after the successful on, the Panthers, the 19,000 fans at the game, and all of us knew it was coming again.
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"Botched snap by Gabbert
The exchange is a two way process, and also involves that fat old guy bent over with his ass in the air in front of Gabbert. The same guy who seemed to have a hearing and comprehension problem at the end of the game.
That Fat Old Guy....
as you refer to him, was snapping that ball in the NFL when Blaine was in middle school. I do not remember this being a problem Brad has had in years past, so wake up and realize it ain’t the “fat old guys” fault. There were 4 botched snaps that hit the ground, and about that many more that Blaine came out from under center and did not have complete control, which could have led to more fumbles. They will fix this, but this one is on Blaine 100%.
Have some effing respect man.. Meester deserves it!
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 26, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Where are the roadgraders?
Our running game may well be one of the best in the league but IMHO we lack physicality when it comes to short yardage. I don’t have that much of a problem with trying to rely on our running game in the second half( although I agree with Alfie it was too one sided), but that strategy means you have to run even when they are geared up to stop you. It seems to me that whenever defenses put in their big packages in short yardage situations, we are unable to impose our will.Maybe moving Britton to guard will help or maybe putting some play-action plays on film will cause a little hesitation in opposing lines in those situations, but it’s something I believe needs addressed.
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Youre right
short yardage has been an issue. We did get a couple yesterday though, so maybe we are improving there.
The team has no Manuwai and we miss that type of power.
That's the one situation Where we really miss Garrard
If he did one thing well it was qb sneaks. Bailed out gambler jack quite a few times on 4th down
by rusty904 on Sep 26, 2011 3:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha.. Did you see blaine on the QB sneak? That looked Awkward... Dude is a "Light" 240 lbs..Thats for sure..
I guess when you’re used to having a Fullback at QB you get spoiled on those kind of plays..
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 26, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
It’s kinda weird 4th and 1 not being a near certainty anymore.
It was definitely
an under-appreciated part of his game. I also don’t think the safeties in either of the last 2 games happen with Garrard back there.
Blame the botched snaps?
Yeah… it was the botched snap that called for running the ball every single play. lol GTFOutta here man.
The piss poor play calling could have worked… if everything went perfectly. Not debated. However, in the NFL you don’t call a game like that and expect to win. I don’t care who’s across from you, you can’t do the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and expect to succeed with it every time. Eventually the other NFL player and/or coaching staff across from you does something, figure something out. You call a game like that and HOPE to win. Well we knew it would work, so that was all we did. No need to mix it up, keep the team off balance whatsoever. Play action pass??? What’s that?
The botched snaps sure as hell didn’t help, but it was one of ten different little things that could have been better to help us win, none of which was bigger than the coaching debacles that we all witnessed.
IMHO of course.
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I see alot of promise in Gabbert
He has a lot of growing to do though. Luckily for us, these things can be corrected easily and should. Cam Newton was garbage yesterday, but all I keep hearing about is how he led his team to his first win. He didn’t lead s***. We gave him that win on a plate and a side of Grey Poupon.
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and that is what hurts the most. The defense played their asses off.
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Very true.
I hope this is just a transition and better days are coming.
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Here’s how I look at the botched snaps: 4 incompletes.
I honestly don’t think much changes if they’re not botched. I mean, two of them were runs.
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How do you know?
How do you know that the run plays would be unsuccessful? I’m not saying they would have been, but you automatically know they would have been unsuccessful? How do you know MJD wouldn’t have sprung loose for another 40 yarder or 20 yarder or just gotten the first down?
by Stephen Wise on Sep 26, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know Gabbert couldn’t have thrown 3 touchdowns if he’d just thrown 3 more passes?
How do you know MJD doesn’t fumble again? Maybe he fumbles for a 4th and 5th time?
MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE.
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You said you thought the plays wouldn’t have mattered, now you are saying he could’ve thrown 3 TD passes???
You know what? If any of those run plays broke off for td’s you wouldn’t be crying for Del Rio’s head. I like smash-mouth football, all these huge passing games ending in 40 to 33 games suck.
by Stephen Wise on Sep 26, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I said I don’t think it would have changed much. That’s not the same as they didn’t matter.
You can like smash mouth football. I like winning football games. Smash mouth football is archaic and doesn’t win in the NFL consistently anymore. The Jaguars have failed to evolve.
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Pittsburg has been winning with smash mouth for years...
Granted they can complete Go routes also..
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 26, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, which Pittsburgh are you watching?
Not the Pittsburgh for the past 5-6 years.
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What? Are you serious.. They run the ball and play staunch D.
Wich pittburg are you watching?
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 26, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The one where Roethlisberger throws for 504 yards
Alex Gordon is really good
Blaine Gabbert is really good
MJD is really good
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by tiquanunderwear on Sep 26, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
How 'bout archaic offensive play calling without the luxury of a true top 5 defense
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The one that has Ben Roethlisberger throwing 400+ times and for 3,000+ yards every season?
Yes, Pittsburgh runs the ball and stops the run well… but they don’t play "smash mouth" football anymore. They haven’t since 2005.
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You could say that they play smash mouth defense
but Big Ben throws close to 30 Tds every year and close to 4000yds. If that’s smash mouth then what is it called that we do? Potty mouth? Because I sure do cuss a lot wHen I’m watching.
Didn't say they didn't throw the ball, but I would still consider them a smash mouth team.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 27, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Smash mouth football has a certain connotation to it. Smash mouth is more like what the Jaguars do offensively. The Steelers aren’t that and haven’t been that for years.
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That's pretty much a rediculous argument Alfie..
With that kind of reasoning why even snap the ball.. Just forfeit.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 26, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Maybe Maybe
Seems to be the theme, no matter what your perspective is.
runs that gain no yardage for a team that has trouble gaining yardage are kind of a big deal. Especially when they have trouble throwing
We can’t assume those two fumbled run plays would have gone for big yardage.
Ah shoot, sorry. I’m being “negative” again.
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I disagree... It's a dead play and we lost 1 of those fumbles or maybe 2 I forget.
But who’s to say those runs wouldn’t have netted a TD? And before you say "Who’s to say those runs/pass wouldn’t have netted a sack fumble/td or a pick, I would like to have that chance..
Those fumbled snaps were drive killers.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 26, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You can' just look at the
botched snaps/fumbles as 4 incompletes. But even if you did look at them as incompletes, those are huge in game this close when we were just trying to play ball control offense in a game where weather was so bad. It was nearly the difference in going 3 of 14 on third down and going 7 of 14. A horrible percentage, vs a great percentage. And if we were just to get a couple of those third downs we would have been in scoring range, the difference in the game.
Kind of like the difference between 48% complete and 57%.
I agree with the draws.
After the second consecutive drive ended with a draw play thats when I knew they were playing not to lose and thats what was frustrating about this game. Ya the run was effective in the 2nd half with the Panthers on the ropes, but on 3rd and long you have to let the rookie try to pick up the 1st down through the air. Like Alfie “I hate Jack Del Rio and will write 5 articles telling you how much I hate him in one day” Crow said, you don’t draft a QB at no. 10 to be a game manager.
I know we have a defense capable of making the playoffs,
but fu*k it, lets just try to get to 8-8 again, get a solid draft pick, fix the o-line and give blaine another WR to throw to. Blaine is learning, so if 100 fumbled snaps mean we will be godo next year, whatever….I would love to trade up from 16-10 again and grab Blackmon/Jeffery.
1. Jeffery/Blackmon
2. Thomas
3. Cecil Shorts III
4. Jarett Dillard
5. Jason Hill
That is a good receiving group, as we have a true #1, a Wes Welker kind of guy as #2, a perfect slot, a #4 possession receiver, who makes big catches when needed. And a speed guy.
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Id let Dillard walk, and possibly Hill too if we can grab two top receivers. Then draft a DE let Kampman walk. Then clean house and let Gene, Jack, Dirk walk as well. Viola! Championship team! HA
by b: on Sep 26, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah right
We need to let all of our coaching staff go, so we can “implement” another set of schemes and lose another year due to rebuilding, other then that I agree with your post, Hill looked like he was actually “interested” yesterday, but hasnt showed much, and Dilliard is supposed to be showing us what he looks like for the first time that he isnt injured, and he hasnt showed much of anything(yet, lets hope that changes). I just think of how our fans have called for heads in the past due to poor record and poor play, but fact is we had POOR TALENT, now we are on an upswing (IMO) lets not throw what we have going for us away, to implement another new “system” However if we do, I think a “taskmaster” type coach would be what we should go with, Eric Mangini comes to mind, and IMO he would be the only one that would consider coming here, out of the people I have heard mentioned(cowher, chucky, arent coming, its that simple)
Was he interested when he let the slant bounce off his chest or when he didn’t know he needed to drag his feet?
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He couldn't have dragged
his feet on that play. It was impossible, as the ball was too far out of bounds.
You want…..mangini?
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 27, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There comes a point though where you get tired of waiting till next year.
At some point, this year has to be the focus. I’m done waiting till next year.
Gabbert’s gonna be good. You can see it. His first game was pretty good for the most part. What hurts the most is we should be 2-1 right now, but for whatever reason, the coaches suck ass at calling plays. Our defense is finally good and all of a sudden our offense decides to start shittin’ the bed.
We are lucky...
I know our passing game hasn’t been good, but we should be glad that we have such a strong running game. You watching the MNF game? Niether team has a running game, and the Cowboys longest run in 10 quarters is 8 yards.
Another thing I just wanted to point out is that the 4 interceptions that Brady threw against the Bills were all on 1st down, and they were still passing on first down when they had a 2 score lead.
Of course not.
It’s never Del Rio. Del Rio is the master of pointing fingers. Sunday he said he thought they adjusted well offensively. Monday he thought it was too conservative. Funny how that works.
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Yeah that was bad... He threw DK under the bus as if he didn't have a thing to do with it..
Goes to show how hot he thinks his seat really is… He’s faliling terribly..
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 27, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And as for the rain not being a factor
with that amount of rain and those types of field conditions and the lack of dry balls we had out there, we had to run the football. . . .
"There was quite a bit of water on the field. . . . That makes it tough to throw the football."
Said wide receiver Mike Thomas, "Of course, we want as many opportunities as we can possibly have, but due to the conditions of the game you expect to run it more than you pass it."
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Carolina plain and simple got a W given to them ………… our punter sucked balls all day and laid a goose egg in our own territory ……… Botched snaps screwed us ………. Lack of aggressiveness on the play calling at times screwed us ……….. Defenders dropping picks ( all we needed was one and that would have maybe sealed a W ) …………… Monroe getting two drive killing penalties …………….. The clock mishap at the end of the game……….Etc.. Fucking. Etc………. I blame JDR , he needed to do something drastically during the game to seal the victory for us , go out on a limb and win the fucking game , don’t let doubt screw you in the end ………I am die hard fucking fan but damn I’m pissed off , shit we don’t have the luxury with tough schedule ahead to give games away to a team that is not even close to being better than ours ………..COME ON MAN !!!!!!!!!!
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We "gave away a game to a team that we should have beat, dropped ints, bad penalties, fumbled snaps, poor clock management etc, but DID YOU SEE THE PASSES THE KID THREW? HE IS EVERTHING WE EXPECTED!!!!, we will clean up the problems that happened this week, heck its the kids first game, were you expecting perfection? and in those conditions? with the recieving corps we have presently? all I ever hear on this site is bitch bitch bitch, fire blah blah blah, and OCCASIONALLY a kudo or two, I gotta wonder, do you think we should ALWAYS have the best team in football? Look at Carolina, they came in the league around the same time as us, and have no where near the same success as we have had. Our ticket sales were comparable to the Steelers last year(53 ticket difference) and we have a youngster with a rocket arm, but as our society goes these days, everyone wants instant success, and to hell with paying the price for it. Our team is coming along, with one more good draft I think we are there(#1 WR please, and sign our current D players long term, if they arent already, we have more cap room then most, and we have to spend 99% of it next year anyways) Let the KID get the mistakes out this year, and then DRAFT AND SPEND NEXT YEAR, AND WE ARE THERE, yeah I am tired of being “patient” too, but if we are so disconnected and bitchy about everything all the time, we will lose this team, and the NFL will point to us as the reason, “no team support” “low ticket sales” " etc etc etc, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?
if you want to bitch at something......
Please do us a favor, and go to the pittsburgh site, or the indy site, they are the ones that deserve our IRE, not a young up and coming team like we have. Whats the old saying? call a kid dumb(or worthless) day after day, and eventually the kid will think thats exactly what he is. constructive criticism is different from just bitching all the damn time, ABOUT SHIT YOU CANT CONTROL ANYWAYS-play calling etc
Yes, we’re clearly influencing the team by voicing our opinion in a public forum. Shame on us.
Get out of here with that garbage man.
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But this dissention is like a cancer... We have people all over these sites just regurgitating all the negatism and don't even know wtf they are talking about..
It’s like how rumors travel on the grapevine… Whether it be true or not.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 27, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
When you play bad
You deserve to be called bad.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fair point Teal.....
But if this sight ever reined as much praise as the damnation it throws…..some folks might have a whole bunch more credibility.
Furthermore
I don’t know if I have heard anyone talk about the team’s play
All I have heard is coaches, coaches, coaches
No one wants to criticize Gabbert because he is a rookie; he played OK given his status and the conditions, but he did not play all that well for an NFL QB
No one wants to criticize the line for allowing too much pressure early, especially Britton, who was getting owned by rookie DT McClain for the whole first half
The play-calling wasn’t so great, but that is not the principal reason the team lost. Execution was the biggest issue.
In fairness, the execution had a lot to do with the conditions. Lot of dropped passes and inaccurate throws on both sides. Fumbles too.
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