So who controls the Jaguars offense?
by Alfie Crow on Sep 27, 2011 8:01 AM EDT
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The Jacksonville Jaguars offensive game plan on Sunday was way too conservative, I think that much most of us can agree. Sunday after the game, offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter talked about the conditions of the game being a big factor. "We had a hard time hanging on to the ball. That was severe weather conditions for a while for both teams. If you were in long yardage, it was just. . . . We had difficulty just getting the snap. Just the condition of the footballs. I don't know how many footballs we take into a game, but we ran out," Koetter told the media after the game.
Del Rio seemed to agree that's why the offense took such a sharp conservative turn. Del Rio explained Sunday after the game, "Obviously you're adjusting some of the things that you do based on that kind of weather. That's just what you do. I thought we adjusted well. It did get adjusted as it should."
Fast forward to Monday's press conference and apparently Jack Del Rio thought the game plan was too conservative. "I'm not sure what caused us to be as conservative as we were. Offensively, I thought we were a little too conservative, quite frankly. I think the combination of the weather and our ability to run, them missing two linebackers and obviously Blaine's first start may have contributed to that, but it really wasn't the kind of look I'd like us to have," Del Rio said about the game plan in the second half.
So wait... On Sunday Del Rio said he thought the offense adjusted well and as it should, then on Monday you're not sure what caused it to be as conservative as it was?
C'mon man.
"Like I said, all those factors that I just laid out there -- the weather, us running it well, them missing a couple linebackers -- I think those things were all factors that played into it. But I definitely would like to see us be more aggressive, more proactive going after people," Del Rio said.
Well, if you'd like to see the offense opened up more during the game... as ESPN's Paul Kuharsky tweeted yesterday...
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Paul Kuharsky Jack Del Rio said #Jaguars' offense was too conservative in Carolina. Revolutionary idea: Click headset on and say "open it up."
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Now, Del Rio certainly shouldn't micromanage Dirk Koetter, but if he thinks something needs to change offensively... SAY SOMETHING DURING THE GAME. Don't tell us after the game that you thought the necessary and right adjustments were made then 24 hours say you don't know why it was so conservative. You're the head coach. It's your job to know and to change it.
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If they had adjusted well
they would have won the game. just saying
What does JDR do?
If he is so hands off with the offense and defense as he clearly stated during the press conference yesterday. What does he do?
Does it even hurt anything getting rid of this guy? What do you actually miss on game day?
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Adjustments.........
How about tweaking the coaching staff???? Some one who knows should be in charge!
Hindsight is brilliant as is having the opportunity to watch the game back again, I hate to defend him as I think he’s well past his sell by date but having had the opportunity to study the video it is more than possible to now see that it was more conservative than it appeared in real time
Thats like saying the baseball coach doesn’t know his pitchers pitch count. If he isn’t paying attention to run vs. pass and all the rediculous draws on 3rd and long…..what is he doing? I didn’t have to watch the replay to notice that and i don’t get paid $5M a year to do just that.
I mean, that is literally his only role along with managing the clock which it is clear he doesn’t do either…
Alfie’s right, Come on Man!!!!!!!!
From what I am reading....
it would be Koetter calling the offensive shots during the game. His point is valid that Blaine was having trouble holding onto the ball. As I stated yesterday, there may have been 4 balls on the ground as a result of a bad snap exchange, but there were about 4 more that were bobbled and almost made it to the ground. I don’t know Blaine’s playing history, but maybe bad weather games are new to him. It has to be corrected, and it can’t happen again.
I also agree that if Del Rio does not like what he is seeing, he needs to speak up. He is the boss. No he should not micromanage, but when you are the boss, responsibility for the outcome rests on you, so you need to assume control of it if necessary, and Sunday, it was necessary.
OK, enough about last Sunday. Even though I do not agree with Alfie’s term “dumpster fire” offense, I will go with it. It is kind of fun! Is it possible that the reason the Jags always took the conservative approach to the offense (i.e. dumpster fire) was because they lacked the tools not too. I assume I am not the only fan that saw ability in Gabbert that had not been seen in Garrard or McCown. If that is in fact the case, is it not possible that the team is moving from the conservative approach to the more “NFL” type approach to a game plan that we are all calling for? Is it unrealistic to assume that the transformation from the dumpster to the NFL game plan will take more than one week and one game against the Carolina Panthers?
I saw glimpses of change in the fact that we went for 3 passes in a row in an effort to get the first down in a situation where we were not desperate and not getting blown out. I personally could not remember seeing that in the Garrard era. Now, assuming that we continue this morphing into an NFL style offense for this week, I am by no means stating that we should abandon the run. Drew Brees and company are a powerful offense. The best way to help control there damage is to reduce their opportunity to get on the field. Long scoring drives based on the run, with the use of pass when needed to sustain the drive, is the best way to do this in my opinion.
All I am saying is the entire game plan strategy is different this year. The Jags have gone from a bottom dweller in terms of defense, to a top five team (I think they are at 4 after this last weekend). They have gone from a run dominated offense (dominated not by choice but out of a lack of QB talent to be anything but that) to one that now has passing opportunities it never did. Lets see what this week brings before we throw the whole staff under the bus. I think we are going to like what we see on Sunday!
How about we just try to score every drive and not worry so much about keeping the other teams offense of the field so much. I’d rather us score fast vs. not scoring at all like we have seen enough of in the past. Once we get a secure enough lead i.e. two touchdown lead, then let’s run run run like we.are used to. We must move away from this thinking of keeping the opposing offense off the field because right now it will not work. We simply don’t score enough to do so and I believe that sort of thinking is what leads to the ultra conservative calls and down to the wire games we have every single week. Let’s just score for ourselves for goodness sake, throw the damn football!
by b: on Sep 27, 2011 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
..and
I’m not a fan of the run and pass only when needed idea because for the Jags, pass when needed stands for third down only. Surprise me Jack and Dirk, throw on first for a change, how bout some play action sprinkled in on first or second down. No more run run pass on 3rd and long…jeeeeeze.
by b: on Sep 27, 2011 9:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with what you have said....
in both posts. I am not opposed to taking shots down the field. 2nd and short….1st and 10….go for it on occasion. I just do not want us to get to where it is 3rd and long every down. That will not lead to success. You are also correct that as we become more proficient in scoring, the need for ball control will become less of a factor. Good points!
Playaction
I think that’s what is missing here… As much as we run the ball, having one out of every three passing plays or so be a playaction would complement our (coaches) desire to run the hell out of the ball. I’m not sure why we don’t do that more… but then again, I don’t have access to film to know.
It isn't impossible
We had a two-possession lead against Tennessee.
Good points...
but, Koetter and/or Del Rio dropped the ball in the second half. As Alfie demonstrated yesterday, there was no reason in the world that anyone could see for them to run the draw on 3rd and 8. It was the start of the second half, relatively dry compared to the downpour, Gabbert was making the throws when he wasn’t fumbling the snap and they had the momentum. They needed to score on that drive. They were running it down their throat on that drive but at some point you’ve got to see it was sputtering out and a pass was needed to keep the drive alive. Many people saw that. I’m okay with gambling, like on a 4th down, but don’t gamble on a draw that could kill your drive. Gabbert proved in the rain that he could’ve handled throwing it, in the sun. Love your optimism and I do think we will see a more balanced attack this Sunday. I do believe Jack forgot he has a QB and woke up from his “run, run, run” dream. The only excuse for Gabbert is that it was his first start and it was pouring. He and the team played relatively well. Yesterday was not a fair day to judge anyone, except, the call on 3rd and 8. That was the game-changer in my eyes.
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What's the difference? You have to take the snap for pass or run! A running play doesn't change the % of fumbling the snap.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 27, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
YOU...You said "His point was valid" regarding the play calling and because of the fumbled snaps and wet footballs..
Either way pass or run you have to get the snap from center..
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, you are correct.....
but don’t you think that it is easier to successfully hand a ball off then complete a throw if conditions are such that maintaining control of the ball has become an issue for you? That is the point I think Dirk was making. It is at least the one I am agreeing with.
Not necessarily.. And my point is you can't do EITHER without getting the snap from center first.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 27, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree about the snap being critical.....
but by no means will I accept that it is not more difficult to hand the ball off opposed to completing a pass in conditions that are causing your QB to have trouble controlling the ball.
I would think it's about the same..
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 27, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok....
Then let me ask you this. How many botched hand offs do you see in any NFL game opposed to incomplete / intercepted passes? I think you would have to agree that number of successful passes is far less than the number of successful hand-offs. That being said, I promise you that poor weather amplifies that difference even more. Thus, in poor conditions, teams will become more conservative, and keep the ball on the ground even more than usual. Our problem is that our usual is a bit too conservative in ideal conditions.
Actually I think the weather makes it about even.. Without the rain you have a point.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 27, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the way I was taught....
and not what I have ever seen. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Go Jags!
I have a fix.
Since Del Rio will be gone next year anyway. Promote Koetter to head coach and send Del Rio packing.
This statement about the the offense being too conservative is completely on Del Rio. Everybody knows it. He is playing not to lose football to try and keep his job.
Koetter almost left last year to Denver, he ran a very explosive offense at Arizona State. The guy we want is sitting at the top of the staudium being handcuffed by Capt. Blame everybody else.
Wayne if you want to make a change that is not drastic and puts the squad in a better position. Put Koetter at Head Coach and see what Gabbert can really do.
by Bill The Thrill on Sep 27, 2011 9:38 AM EDT reply actions
If we knew JDR was cuffing Koetter...
and it wasn’t that Koetter was faltering; I think most of the fanbase is behind this idea. It would at least show us what we have in Koetter at HC. We certainly know what we have in JDR.
All of Koetter's career has been vertical offense.
Look at tape from Arizona State. This offense is the same we’ve been running since Del Rio has been here.
by Bill The Thrill on Sep 27, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I just decided to actually take a look at the numbers under Koetter
2007: 357.4 YPG (7th)
25.7 PPG (6th)
2008: 319.1 YPG (20th)
18.9 PPG (24th)
2009: 336.6 YPG (18th)
18.1 PPG (24th)
2010: 341.2 YPG (15th)
22.1 PPG (18th)
2011: 261.0 YPG (28th)
9.7 PPG (31st)
It looks to me like Koetter and his offensive scheme lost effectiveness after one year in the NFL. Did Jack Del Rio magically become a different, more controlling person after 2007, a year in which the Jags offense was Top 10?!! Did he suddenly see the results of having a Top 10 offense and decide that he has to take charge of the offense ad restrict Koetter?!! As much as you may hate JDR, I doubt you would go so far as to suggest that. Just face it – Koetter and his sytem just maybe aren’t cut out for the NFL.
So, it magically stagnated after David Garrard started a full season… ?
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Garrard started all of 2007 if i recall correctly
and had a pretty decent season considerig the situation leading up to him starting. Then 2008 comes, and all of a sudden Garrard can’t lead the offense as effectively? So now this is all Daviid Garrard’s fault, despite the fact that this offense is equally, if not more, stagnant now than ever?!!
by Jagsrok9008 on Sep 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If you look at the stats for '08 and '09
you can see that while Garrard did have some good games, there a few wins and losses where he had close to thirty pass attempts and well under 200 yds. I think that’s when Garrard and the coaches began to lose confidence. In week 8, 2009, against the Titans, Garrard was 14-27 for 135yds. 0 TD and 2 INT’s. That’s when it became apparent that week in and week out you didn’t know which Garard was going to show up.
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Right… Garrard started 2007. Teams then had a full year of film on in him in the offense. Teams then began game planning to put the pressure on Garrard and force him to be what beats them.
I didn’t say it was Garrard’s fault. Slow down, boss.
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"So, it magically stagnated after David Garrard started a full season… ?"
kind of puts the blame on DG.
My overall point is that Koetter’s offenses have not been effective. Reagrdless of what DG did, McCown and Gabbert are different QBs with different strengths than Garrard. Gabbert, in particualr is a guy who you should be able to really open up the playbook for. Prior, and followign, the heavy rains, that did not rreally happen, and I have to put blame somewhere. JDR seems like the wrong person seeing as he likely has little if anything to do with offensive playcalling. That leaves Koetter. Whether it is the system, or his overall poor playcalling/adjusting of the playclling for Gabbert, he is the one to blame for this loss against Carolina.
by Jagsrok9008 on Sep 27, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No, it doesn’t put the blame on David Garrard. If I wanted to blame David Garrard I would just blame David Garrard.
My overall point was: Koetter hasn’t been allowed to run his offense. He hasn’t been given the tools to. Why does Jack Del Rio seem like the wrong one to blame? He’s been the head coach for 8 years and 3 games, and through three different offensive coordinators the offense has been EXACTLY THE SAME. Does that really not click for you? It’s just a massive coincidence?
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so this offense that he wants tor un would have surpassed the numbers that were actually put up
Also, if you look back at 2007, I am not really sure the talent on that team was anywhere near as good as the current offense. Not really sure than how they were so good on offense. After all, the WRs were bad compared to this group, and that says ALOT!!!
Fact of that matter is that Koetter is an offensive coordinator for a team. That team’s offense is AWFUL. Therefore, one should probably look at him and question why, if he is supposledy got some great offensive scheme, does the team’s offense suck. I am not going to look at the defensive-minded head coach and ask why his offense sucks, since it is not his system the team is running.
Seeing as we have kind of strayed from my original point, I am going to restate it. I blame the loss this past Sunday on DK. I do not want JDR as the Jaguar HC, given how unimpressive this team has been as of late. HOWEVER, I am not putting much blame on him this week for the loss.
by Jagsrok9008 on Sep 27, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Now insert a QB who can implement the vertical passing game.
Gabbert has those abilities. All Jack has done is create a running game over his tenure. The NFL has changed, time to change.
by Bill The Thrill on Sep 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes...because that looks good on his resume....smdh
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 27, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
What angers me the most is that
They are wasting there most valuable passing weapon in lewis.. Hes played 2 games and he has barely seen anything his way..unbelieveable
by amujic32 on Sep 27, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ther is nothing more frustrating these past few year than
Watching that jags get in a 3rd & long situation & just about every single time running a screen or draw that never seems to really work. To me it screams I’d rather punt & try again than to actually, u know, TRY & get the first down. Every good offensive team in the league airs the ball out in 3rd & long, Id rather see an incompletion that a play that in most instances won’t get us the first down to start off with
by Houndslb58 on Sep 27, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh &
I’m also tired of seeing these 3 or 4 screens to mike thomas a game that just ends up getting mike blown up for a negative play or back to the line of scrimmage
by Houndslb58 on Sep 27, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Observations
1) Tight ends – apparently we forgot we have them (incredible given how often we’re reminded by other teams).
2) Play-action. apparently running the ball doesn’t open up the playbook
3) Toss sweeps on 3rd/4th and short. Does this drive anyone else nuts?
Y don’t we use Greg jones on short yardage plays again???
by Houndslb58 on Sep 27, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WAIT!
Jack Del Rio shedding blame! No way! That’s why it’s been a circus of coordinators here. I hope he gets the axe midseason so Koetter can have a try out period.
Many different coordinators, same problems persist. Del Rio is one of the biggest problems on this team. Coaches may not win games, but they can certainly inhibit players from doing so and that’s what we saw this weekend.
I hope Weaver will quit being so loyal on this guy and realize he deserves the axe!
Who Controls the Jags Offense???
after watching the last 3 seasons and the first 3 games I can only come up with one answer……..
THE OPPOSING TEAMS “DEFENSIVE COORDINATORS”
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