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Jaguars QB Luke McCown is not a downgrade

The national reaction to the Jacksonville Jaguars release of David Garrard has been puzzling, to say the least. While Garrard wasn't a terrible quarterback, he was just simply average. The gnashing of teeth nationally about the release of an average quarterback who most thought would be benched by midseason anyway, has drawn doormat like predictions for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Most recently, Bill Simmons predicited the team would finish 3-13.

The same Bill Simmons who once quipped, "In retrospect, David Garrard's $60 million extension would be like NBC's giving Andy Samberg $60 million right after "Dick In a Box." You might have wanted to let that one breathe a little, Jacksonville." I guess suddenly, David Garrard was the difference in 8 wins and 3 wins for Simmons?

The assumption that Luke McCown is a significant downgrade at quarterback for the Jaguars is a rather disengenious notion. 

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Does this mean I'm saying Luke McCown is an upgrade at the position? Not necesarily. I don't think however McCown is that much worse, if he's even worse at all. I tend to think the Jaguars will net roughly the same results. McCown has out performed Garrard the past two training camps. He's shown and done things Garrard simply couldn't or wouldn't do. Look at the 2010 preseason, McCown frequently hit on deep passes. On the other hand, in 2010 and in 2011 any time David Garrard threw deep, it looked contrived.

It looked forced, because it was. They were predesigned deep passes.

That is a big area that will sink or swim McCown and the Jaguars this season. McCown is aggressive. He's not afraid to throw the football down the field. He's not careful, where Garrard was overly cautious. Being cautious can net great results, but as the old cliche says... without risk there is no reward. McCown offers an attacking passing style the Jaguars team hasn't seen in years, possibly since Mark Brunell was in is hay-day.

When people ask me what the difference is between the two, that's what I tell them. Luke McCown will attack in the passing game. What kind of results that will net remains to be seen. The last time McCown played significant time in the regular season with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers when he started 3 games. In those 3 starts, McCown completed 72.8% of his passes for 815 yards with 4 touchdowns, 2 interceptions, and a 100.6 QB rating.

If Luke McCown can offer anything close to that, the Jaguars will be just fine. The biggest advantage with McCown however, ...teams don't have any film on him. That helped out David Garrard significantly in 2007 and should help McCown in 2011. 

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didn't even think about that point. very true indeed.
The biggest advantage with McCown however, …teams don’t have any film on him

by Jagsrok9008 on Sep 9, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes.. I was one that said Luke<DG... I change my stance!

After further review….I am almost positive Luke will suprise….Can’t F’in wait till’ SUNDAY!!!

 KILL THOSE tACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 9, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That’s the spirit

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Now I totally with all of this

And you could quote Peter King too as a quite ignorant journalist.on this case

But with Garrard out and Luke McCown playing, I think the Titans will try to throw a front-seven blanket over Jones-Drew, and he won’t get going in his first game back from offseason knee surgery. Before Tuesday, I thought the big Pot Roast, Terrance Knighton, and Tyson Alualu, 640 pounds of defensive-tackle run-stopper, would be big players in this AFC South drama and make enough plays on Johnson for the Jags to survive. But now, I’ve got to go with Tennessee. Doubt I’ll be picking the Jags very often this year. If at all.

Because with Garrard they didn’t do just that in the past years….Right. Plus he was here in the Atlanta game. Looks like he left the stadium, just when Gabbert finished playing, because he talking about McCown like he is Curtis Painter…

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 9, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

And they'd probably be right,

because if this team isn’t going 3-13 this season without McCown being a complete disaster and Gabbert being completely unready for life NFL downs.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 9, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

because this team…… unready for live NFL downs. Wow am I tired today.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 9, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

3-13 will be the record of the Colts this year....

I think this is a 8-8 team.

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 9, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forsee...

…a lot of these national talking heads eating crow and backpedalling come Monday morning!

GO JAGS!!!!

by jackfromjax on Sep 9, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree

I see total domination with this team. The defense will suck everything up with the Titans run game. Thats there MO, without the run they will get beat early and often.

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by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never valued his opinion

On anything. I actually enjoy all this negativity, it will make success all the more enjoyable

by rusty904 on Sep 9, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

we hate him at mcm

That asshole tried to bait Locker into saying something bad about Hasselbeck, why try and start a controversy pk… just so people can read your shitty column
About Sunday, I think it might be a different type of passing game, I just hope you don’t run too much, mostly because I want to see more Mojo this year, i hope his knee is ok… and CJ is ready for another 60 yard run on your defense XD

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by Grimerz757 on Sep 9, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The only thing Garrard does better than McCown or Gabbert is act as a fullback

He had a hell of a record when he threw less than 21 passes.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ll be amongst the first to see. Titans have thatt history of getting killed by backups

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

McCown is aggressive. He’s not afraid to throw the football down the field

I just don’t want to see him writing checks his arm can’t cash. There’s a huge difference between being aggressive and actually having the ability to reap good results on your aggression. We’ll see what actually happens. I hope he’s successful, but I’ll have to see it first in order to believe. Just like how people didn’t believe Manning would miss time this season until they finally saw it.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 9, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

He'll probably write some checks

that end up in INTs because he’s not a great QB. But if he’s good enough at going down that field and connects more than he doesn’t that’ll still force the defense back, which would hopefully open up room for Maurice and Deji.

by rws591 on Sep 9, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I think when teams start getting film on McCown, he won’t be as effective, and he will struggle. But I agree with most everything Alfie says on this one. Not a downgrade. McCown isn’t nearly as up and down. He hits on deep balls much more regularly. Can stretch the field to even out the defense to help the run game and vice versa. I think McCown in at quarterback will probably end up helping MJD in this case, because the opposing defenses will also have to respect Luke’s ability to deliver a strike down the field.

Don’t get me wrong, he’s no Manning. But at least he can get the ball within ten yards of the receiver and give somebody like Jason Hill at least a chance at catching it. Garrard couldn’t do that. But he sure did love to blame Mike Thomas for not batting the ball down when it’s 20 yards over his head.

by Blair72 on Sep 9, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to believe that Luke will make it happen

He looked great in the preseason. The offense looked completely different when he was in. The problem is that it was against backups and backup’s backups. I don’t know what to expect

by justinthered on Sep 9, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree.

I don’t think McCown will be as good as he’s looked in the preseason, but I think he will be just as efficient as Garrard (not necessarily a good thing) without the inconsistencies.

by Blair72 on Sep 9, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm very much behind the change at QB though...

I’m less than convinced any of the Jags QBs have much in the way of targets on offence. Lewis had a great season last season but we really lack a stand out receiver

by Lloydy on Sep 9, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Shorts has looked pretty good.

I think our top 3 are good enough. Put money on it that we’ll address receiver in rounds 1-2 in the next draft.

by Blair72 on Sep 9, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2011 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Mike Thomas

would be a stand out receiver and a great deep threat if he had a Quarterback to get him those balls.

Maybe McCown will be that guy. I wouldn’t go to Vegas with that gamble though.

I think Mike Thomas will really start to show people what he’s made of next season when Gabbert is in full swing.

by SexonvilleShaguars on Sep 9, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

But will the coaches allow him to be aggressive?

Or will they put in a conservative plan for him?

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by SicilianJag on Sep 9, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I think DK will be Passive aggressive.. Just like with Garrard.. Just for this game to feel him out.

The token quick slants and 10 yard outs… Screens and swing passes and let MJD and Deji do the heavy lifting..

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by TITANKILLA on Sep 9, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now you see what i see my friend....

Dirk is gonna pass at least 40 times this game. McCown will make them pay for stacking the box. Watch..

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by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

40 passes?

probably not. Anything more than 25-30 I’ll be shocked.

Wouldn’t it be something to see us hang 50 on them?

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're right on.

probably closer to 25. But an efficient 25.

by Blair72 on Sep 9, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing being over-looked about McCown in the pre-season

is that while he was going up against 2nd and 3rd stringers, the tools he had around him (o-line, WR’s, RB’s, TE’s) were also mostly 2nd and 3rd stringers.

I think he does well with what we have and shows that we do have a solid receiving corp.

by iodrew on Sep 9, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

There is one statement that concerns me.....

and if it is true, then the Jaguars have made a big mistake. Alfie says:

Does this mean I’m saying Luke McCown is an upgrade at the position? Not necesarily. I don’t think however McCown is that much worse, if he’s even worse at all.

I have said all along that the Jags needed to select the QB, and this should apply to every position, that gives them the best chance to win. From what I saw in preseason, what I read about practices, and what Gene and Jack said in the press conference, Luke gives the Jags the best chance to win. If that truly is the case, then don’t pussy foot around. Call it like it is. If Luke gives us the best chance to win, then he is an upgrade over the current 2011 David Garrard. He is not to be compared to the 2007 Garrard, only what you currently have.
If Luke McCown is not an upgrade over what David was doing as of late, then the Jacksonville Jaguars have stepped in it big time. I believe the Jags feel he is, and I tend to agree. I guess we will know more early Sunday afternoon!

by GAJAGFAN on Sep 9, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I honestly and whole heartedly believe that the Organization feels McCown gives us The best chance to win NOW. I’ve never known the organization to “tank” a season even if they are trying to work a rookie qb into the starting line up (at some point). Wayne Weaver and the Jags organization (GM Gene and most specifically JDR since hes fighting for his job) doesn’t shell out the kind of money they did on defense and “go to the 11th hour” before releas D.G to be “average” or “tank” this season. They obviously think they know what they have in McCown other than just a “bridge” for Gabbert…lets hope they are right!

by Jags85 on Sep 9, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I believe he's just a bridge

But was there a $7M dollar difference in bridges?

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe......

as Jags85 says, if that was the logic, why give DG as many chances to prove himself and wait til when they did to let him go. I know $8 mil is a big chunk, but it is noting in comparison to making the playoffs for this team, and I believe they think Luke gives them a better chance to get there.

by GAJAGFAN on Sep 9, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Thanks for getting my point across! For now on il just send you a few words and you can create the sentence and point for me lol

by Jags85 on Sep 9, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think in the final shakedown, the uncertainty over Manning AND the lockout in terms of

Gabbert’s grasp and execution of the offense played a huge factor in the Jags doing what they did Tuesday. One of those quiet transactions occurred before the lockout when McCown was given a contract extension.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW! Our current qb's biggest advantage is that teams don't have film on him...

David was handicapped because of Del Rio and he will do the same thing to McCown. McCown will be aggressive until he has a bad game and he will have blaine so far up his you know what he will get tentative and focus on not turning the ball over. It is very obvious that Del Rio doesn’t know how to handle his QB’s

by Pocket Hercules on Sep 9, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

In Keyshown Johnson voice...

Cooooome on man!?!! Del Rio is not the offensive coordinator. If anything, Garrard owes $30 mil to DelRio who chose to start him over Leftwich. But just like then, DelRio knows that he needs more from the QB position to win. Luke is a gamer. He will tear it up.

My only hesitation this Sunday is about Hasslebeck. Old QB’s like Hasselbeck and Collins always tear us up. Let’s hope that dynamic is different with our new personell on D. We have to take the QB down. Soon and hard.

by Roland Sogor on Sep 9, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

David had lots of chances to be aggressive.

Check back to the unlimited refrences in the lsat three years to receivers running open David didn’t see or choose not to throw too. Check the stack of David holding the ball for way too long instead of letting it go and ending up with yet another foolish unnecessary sack. Mr. King has not seen David play much or he would know that in the last three seasons the number of times David punished a team for loading the box or blitzing or leaving single coverage hoovers right around zero. If look is even marginally better at these things, and I think he has the potential to be markedly better, we will have and upgrade at QB. How significant? I can’t wait to find out!

by cathousecrazy on Sep 9, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Garrard did it a few times… the whole problem was, if he made a poor throw early he’d go into a shell. Look at the Falcons preseason game, after the interception he became way too careful.

by Alfie Crow on Sep 9, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

I liked him better than most, but confidence always seemed to be a big issue. I think that is why he snowballed in some games and played like an All-Pro in others. Alfie is right in that the one thing, the only thing we know for sure, is that Luke will take chances and throw down the field; Garrard has a hell of an arm, but he never seemed to completely trust himself and rarely tried to fit the ball into a window. That was a big reason the Dallas game excited me so much last year; he threw guys open and trusted people to make plays down the field. It turned out to be a one-time thing.

I am excited to see if the receivers look better with McCown in there or if DG was so cautious because they were just so rarely open.

Who knows? Brunell took the Skins to the playoffs by making plays behind a good line, a strong running game, and a stout defense. The Jags can be good. They might not be.

by smy on Sep 9, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember the Bucs playoff win?

41 yds passing.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like

Garrard basked in the ability to emerge from Leftwich’s shadow, because there was nothing really for him to lose, so he sort of excelled through that, but when under pressure and trying to prevent something like that happening to him, he melted. He had everything to lose, and I don’t think he could hold up to the expectations. Never really could. He hasn’t ever really handled pressure well. I think that was his biggest downfall. When the game was on the line, and the ball in his hands, he couldn’t ever get it done, unless he could run for a first down. And the situation usually called for him to throw it. Anyway.

by Blair72 on Sep 9, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is, he never had receivers

Sims-Walker was the best of the bunch in the last six years+ and he could never stay healthy.

I will always wonder how things would have gone if he had Andre Johnson or someone of that caliber to throw to. There are some serious evaluators – ex-QBs – who think Dave was better than he was given credit for. I agree with that. Doesn’t make me right, but since when did the guy have anything close to a viable supporting cast? He only had a serviceable line for one season. I am sure you will reject the argument, but I think it is valid.

by smy on Sep 9, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?

Perhaps the receivers never had a quarterback. It’s all on the guy getting you the ball. Did not have a lot of drops last few years.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

In principle

I don’t think I was implying that drops were ever a problem. The Jags have had a good deal of sure-handed receivers- Wilford, Williams, MSW, Thomas…all of those guys could make tough catches. Matt Jones even looked decent his last season with the team.

However, it is a fact that the Jags lack an elite playmaker at the WR position, and I really feel like that impacted Garrard’s effectiveness, particularly when he had very little time to throw. The real fact is that his statistics show that he did a pretty good job of getting guys the ball, just not down-field. I think that has to be analyzed comprehensively: Garrard lacked aggressiveness, the playcalling was conservative, the line was generally ineffective, and the receivers lacked the dynamism to make plays downfield.

Perfect storm. You guys can blame Garrard all day; its definitely simpler that way, but football is a team game and you have to have guys around the QB.

Bye the way, I reiterate the fact that his numbers were pretty good. So this idea that he was totally incompetent which is how this conversation always seems to trend is patently false. A fabrication. Untrue.

Finally, the team released Garrard because of his offseason, not because of his performance last year. In the eyes of the coaches he regressed. Yes Luke would have had a chance to start last season, but by midseason Dave was entrenched again. Del Rio said they waited so long because they wanted him to get back to where he was last year and in the past; otherwise keeping him that long was simply counterproductive. So regardless of popular perception, the people most intimately familiar with his body of work were behind him enough to keep him as a starter and pay his salary in spite of the 1st round pick. Dave struggled this year, and they liked the backup and the rookie and wanted to keep 2 QBs (per gene a few weeks ago).

Not a simple: Garrard always missed open players…65% complete and high YPA disprove that. He just wasn’t a great deep passer. He also didn’t have great deep threats. Or much time to set-up those throws. Let’s just see how the other QBs do with the same personnel.

by smy on Sep 9, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Which five?

A drop, and not catching a bad pass are not the same. Sims-Walker dropped a few passes, but the amount he dropped is significantly exaggerated… just like everyone thought Ernest Wilford had great hands, when he often dropped the most passes.

by Alfie Crow on Sep 9, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilford was a WR in a TE's body who had the hands of a Gunner on Special teams

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the life of me, I could never figure out why he had such a big fan club.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 9, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

His TD catch in Buffalo in his first game.

by Alfie Crow on Sep 9, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was there. It was wonderful

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And he was a big community guy too

Don’t let the incident at the beach cloud your judgment of him off the field. I’ve been thrown out of that place many times.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying he's a bad guy.

I’m saying he wasn’t very good at football. He still has defenders to this day, while Reggie Williams and Matt Jones weren’t any worse and have been largely forgotten (or blocked out…memory suppression for the win).

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 9, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

and that's why he has defenders

Public perception carries a crap ton of weight. Look at the current situation with Garrard versus how Leftwich’s exodus was received.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

and apparently he was good enough for Miami to give him a ridiculous contract.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many times did he overthrow a wide open

receiver thirty or forty yards downfield? Even when they’d get open, he’d miss. I don’t agree.

by Blair72 on Sep 9, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are thinking of this preseason

It isn’t like that was a frequent occurrence; they rarely threw deep.

Can’t have a high completion percentage missing “open” players all the time. Besides I didn’t defend him as a deep passer, just said they didnt do it much for a variety of reasons.

by smy on Sep 9, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It manifested itself last year and before that it was the clincher in the Colts Thursday nighter in '09

His throw to start the 3rd qtr vs the Giants was the game changer.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't MSW fall down on that play? Either way that was awful.. We had those guys beat!

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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 9, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garrard threw the pass behind MSW on a quick slant.

The ball bounced off of his hands and was easily intercepted. Took the momentum right from us.

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by FRANKdubz on Sep 9, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guy Whimper played the greatest 3 quarters of his life that day

It’s kinda like using the back of the book for the answers when only being given the even ones.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not thinking about this preseason.

I’ve seen every game since he became the starter. There’s only a handful of throws he’s actually hit on when going deep since 2007. And three or four of those were during his magical season that “earned” him his contract.

by Blair72 on Sep 9, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

the 32 yard hold earned him the deal

but I don’t begrudge him one bit. It was all Weaver.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

New Vic nailed it...

John: It is indeed remarkable how popular and important Garrard has become since Tuesday.

by JohnnyBiceps on Sep 9, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Luke McCown stats after week 1

21-35 for 275 yrds, 2Tds, 1INt.

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by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

3 1/2 Sacks by the defense

Alualu, Mincy and Kampman each will have a sack, with D. Smith getting a half.

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by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I see 6 sacks on hasselhoff sunday

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by TITANKILLA on Sep 9, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is not happening

Luke Mccown will lead us to the promised land

by tiquanunderwear on Sep 9, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

nawh, Im scared of this guy mann, he torched our ass last year. He has better weapons in Tennesse. We got to get pressure on this guy.

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by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cuz your madam cleo? ..call me now...

H beck is a old azz dood…he gone be runnin for his life all game

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by TITANKILLA on Sep 9, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so…. but dont think this game is gonna be a walk in the park buddy.

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by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont either...but the d will step up watch..

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by TITANKILLA on Sep 9, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

How would the defense get a half a sack? That happens when two players share a sack, so the defense would still have a whole number.

by Jaghawk on Sep 9, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mccown 18-29 189 yards 1 TD 1 int

MJD 25 carries 130 yards 2 TD’s Scobee one FG we win 24-21

Luke Mccown will lead us to the promised land

by tiquanunderwear on Sep 9, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Drew wont break 100 yrds my friend. They are going to load the box with 8 or 9 guys… Its going to be tough. He he does get lose, he’s looking at a 200 yrd game.

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by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think MJD will break lose

but he won’t get all 200 yds, Deji will get like 50-60

by SexonvilleShaguars on Sep 9, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to think..reading betw

Man today was a great spirited practice…moving forward and excited about our opportunity as a football team! @MarcedesLewis89 (tight end Marcedes Lewis)

by b: on Sep 9, 2011 1:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

GO GET’EM 89…. BEST TE IN THE GAME!!!

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by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

the National media and the other NFL cities.....

Can kiss my @$$, win or lose… I believe in the Jags. Sure it can be frustrating. Even if Luke isn’t that great on Sunday to heck with it. We could surprise a lot of folks or just prove them right. It doesn’t matter. Right now this season is totally up in the air for the Jags and honestly it is pretty exciting( I hope I still feel this way come Dec). Even if for some crazy alter reality happens and we go 15-1, the media would find something wrong with the team or say nothing about them. I give up on the other news outlets.

by Meadchuggins on Sep 9, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

This is the MAIN REASON I became a Jags fan!!!!

I’m loving every minute of it.. Hell im getting up at 4AM Central time on sunday too start my tailgate right on my patio in Houston, TX. GUYS, IM SO READY FOR THIS SEASON. ’IT’S GO TIME"

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by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

got to be rough as a Jag fan in Houston.. I lived in Hawaii for a few yrs and had to watch the games at 7am … but I was there rooting for the Jag

by Meadchuggins on Sep 9, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG.... Yes.

The sports radio stations here, seems to think that Houston “owns the jags”, but I have the sunday ticket so its not bad. The only thing is my games start at 12 and not 1.

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

TOO BE HONEST THO...

ITS SCARY CRAZY HOW MANY STEELER AND PACKER FANS ARE HERE. BEFORE I GOT THE SUNDAY TICKET LAS YEAR, I WENT TO A SPORTS BAR WHERE ALL I SEEN WAS GREEN AND GOLD AND BLACK… WOW!!! WHAT A SITE TOO SEE. BUT I LOVE GOING TO RELIANT STADIUM EVERY YEAR TO CHEER ON MY JAGS. THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE BEEN HARD TOO WATCH BUT, OCT. 8TH MIGHT BE GABBERTS DEBUT

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by B.Mills on Sep 9, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya..I was at Reliant last year.. That sucked! Trent edwards and Rashad starting..

The texan fans didn’t give my wife and I too much crap.. They were for the most part friendly..

 This was the whole game….. A. Foster at the 50….the 40…..the 30……20….TD! TEAXANS! All game! Sucked bad.

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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 9, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steeler, Colt, and Patriot 'fans' are EVERYWHERE

You’d think everyone in the World has either lived in or has family in Pittsburgh, Indi, and Massachussetts.

My brother and I have a running joke about going to the bars for the 1pm games and seeing tons of Steeler fans, then at 4pm those guys take off their Steeler jerseys cause they have a Patriots jersey underneath for the Pats game.

Friggin’ bandwagoners, I swear. I kind of like that the Jags are so hated, we are so far from being a bandwagon team that you can respect each Jags fan and know they are a true fan. As soon as we win a superbowl or AFC championship, I wonder if we’ll start seeing Jags fans everywhere instead of Steelers and Packers.

by SexonvilleShaguars on Sep 9, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

it happened to the gators

Before urban Meyer the gatorade were not all that. Since winning championships, there are gatorade fans alllll over

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

Real fans don’t need a reason.

Is it finally time to draft a QB?

by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2011 5:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hope your getting up to cook something......

because if your are getting up to drink, you will never see kick-off at noon!

by GAJAGFAN on Sep 9, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

KAMPMAN STATUS?

i heard on SFR that Kampman is questionable with his knee. anyone have any info? i know that means 50-50, but im a little suprised by it.

by chrisltr22c on Sep 9, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Official injury report hasn’t been released yet, but Kampman, Britton, and Miller are all questionable.

I expect all but Britton to play, though. Britton may be active, but I’m not expecting him to start.

by Alfie Crow on Sep 9, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think we go OT in next year's draft?

All on Monroe. Britton should play guard.

by smy on Sep 9, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're drafting nothing but elite receivers next year

Draft 6 we’re bound to hit on 1, right?

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as it's not Blackmon.

I’ve never seen such a highly thought-of WR prospect be…so…slow.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 9, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's elite, man!

Hart Lee Dykes part deux.

Just like everyone wanted Hankerson because he showcased well at the Senior Bowl.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will take Alshon Jeffrey, Mike Fuller, Marvin McNutt, or Juron Criner… please.

by Alfie Crow on Sep 9, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohgodyes.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 9, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a visual haha.

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

Real fans don’t need a reason.

Is it finally time to draft a QB?

by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did you watch him play this weekend?

That outta show you how show he is

by amujic32 on Sep 9, 2011 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Black uniforms make everyone look slow.

Those OSU unis are awful! Interesting nugget, the OC for OSU was our former receivers coach.

May want to tuck that away somewhere.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I did,

and I lost track how many awesome moves he put on defenders, only to not be fast enough to actually score or get farther downfield. He’s Anquan Boldin, and you find that kind of player with the 54th overall pick, not a top 10 pick.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 9, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didnt see this.

If people had known how good Boldin would be his first several years I guarantee he would have gone higher than 54.

He dropped because of his slow 40 time and turned out to be a first round talent in spite of that.

So while I wouldnt pick a receiver top-10 unless I knew he was Andre Johnson, I lean towards taking Blackmon in the middle of the 1st round. He won’t be around later and he shouldn’t be. Boldin is just a possession guy now but he has had some injuries; there was a time when he was a very good number 1.

And as I mentioned, Fitzegerald was also slow as molasses for a WR.

by smy on Sep 9, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll wait till about mid-season before I can answer that.

by Alfie Crow on Sep 9, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya..2 of them R and L.... Monroe has this year to prove to me he is LT worthy.. And i'm not holding my breath..

This is his 3rd yr and he is still making rookie mistakes with his footwork..

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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 9, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

reading between the lines....

Man today was a great spirited practice…moving forward and excited about our opportunity as a football team! @MarcedesLewis89 (tight end Marcedes Lewis) From reading player tweets and quotes, I get the feeling that the players may actually be a bit happy that Garrard is gone, or at least not starting. Of course they are going to be the PR darlings and say all the right things to the cameras but behind closed doors I feel the players got what they wanted. They knew from practice and the work put in by Luke that he was indeed better that Garrard. The ineffectiveness of the offense in preseason may have had more to do with a lack of chemistry in the locker room to the field more so than anything. Say what u want, but not voting Garrard captain was very telling. Luke came early, stayed late for practice, dave did not. Luke knew his playback and could execute it fully, dave didn’t. There is more to that terrible Monday practice than the organization wants you to believe. Whatever ‘new plays’ David spoke of in practice which caused the 3 ints obviously weren’t that big of a deal to Luke. I believe Luke came in right after Dave and handled the team like a man. He executed his plays with ease and finally made it painfully obvious to the team that they weren’t going to go anywhere with Garrards less than inspiring play. He simply was too comfortable and didn’t put it in overdrive because he truly believed he was the starter no matter how he played or practiced. It’s just preseason right? Wrong. The players were the last straw Jack was speaking of. He listened to his own, gene, and dirks convictions at first, but after seeing the players respond to Luke overwhelmingly..he concurred. Kudos to the locker room for wanting to win.

by b: on Sep 9, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Lewis is def. not taking a shot at Dave. Too classy for that underhanded stuff.

It means a lot about Luke and very little about Dave. The team is moving on. .

by smy on Sep 9, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course Lewis isn’t taking shots at Dave, thats one thing. There’s no place for that. I’m speaking of the offense as a whole, or heck even the team felt Dave couldn’t get it done. Besides throwing a guy under the bus..(David>mike Thomas), there are other ways to show u simply don’t approve of a persons play..(mike Thomas>NO: to dave as Captain)

by b: on Sep 9, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am saying there were offensive players who didnt share that POV

But it doesn’t matter really. Lewis was one of the guys who was taken aback I think. Then again he and Dave are buddies from what I understand.

I am just saying that his tweet, specifically, was about Luke and not about Dave. I just felt like you were giving it too much meaning. But there were clearly questions about Dave’s ability to win in the locker room, as evidenced – like you and others have pointed out – by the team’s refusal to select him as a captain. However, just because he didnt receive enough votes doesnt mean he didnt receive any.

by smy on Sep 9, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

this whole perception that the Jags are done this season because we cut Garrard is absurd. Im curious how the national media reacted in regards to the Jags season when Del Rio cut Leftwich and went with Garrard… anyone know?

Anyways, not trying to be a downer but the Jags still have their work cut out for them this coming Sunday. My two cents comes from living in Seattle since 2006 and having the chance to watch Hasselbeck run an offense. The guy is still good. Sundays game is going to come down to how much pressure/time we can disrupt for Hasselbeck. If their is one thing that the old vet can do – it is shred an offense if he is given time. He doesnt have the biggest arm but the guy can get the ball where it needs to be. And noone really knows what we have in our secondary..

I read a lot of comments that the Jags front seven are gonna load up on the Titans and Johnson – thats all well and good and I firmly beleive we can win that battle up front. I beleive their was an article on this site saying that Johnson isnt expected to get too many carries… thats definitly a plus. I just hope, even if we dont record sacks, that we can make Hasselbeck uncomfortable and make his welcome to the AFC South very unpleaseant.

GO JAGS!

by jerranamo on Sep 9, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the media perception played a significant role in the reactions

Most local media did not like Leftwich, for some reason. I think many in the local media want an “aw shucks” God fearin’ grateful for the opportunity kind of person as the quarterback. Byron busted it, but the perception was he was part of the hip hop sagging pants culture and he was the heir apparent to the ultimate PR man’s dream. And I have to wonder if Garrard was not “done” the way he was due to the way the Brunell/Leftwich switch happened.

He was ridiculed and I feel he was treated extremely unfairly while here. David was a lot more polished away from the field, but in some of his interviews, he came across as too polished as if not really knowing what he was talking about, over coached.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

funny. Matt Jones was not treated similarly til the cocaine arrest in Arkansas.

wait. He wasn’t injury prone.

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder where he’d be if he wasn’t a coke head. He always seemed to like drugs more than football

by Jags85 on Sep 9, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not afraid to say it..........Racism.

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by FRANKdubz on Sep 9, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am actually not. I do believe that us getting rid of Brunell and drafting Leftwich is what started the "ticket problems".

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong. This is my theory.

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by FRANKdubz on Sep 9, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

2000: 7-9.
2001: 6-10
2002: 6-10
2003: 5-11
2004: 9-7, that awful Texans game.

Five straight years of losing seasons and/or no playoffs is what did it, plus the newness wearing off.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 9, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be a combination of both.

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by FRANKdubz on Sep 9, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So your saying racism from the fans not the team....I get it..

There is racism everywhere.. All cities and all colors for that matter..

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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 9, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

c’mon FRANK, i expect more from you

explain your theory

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by cuffs007 on Sep 9, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quarterbacks always get a disproportionate amount of praise and/or criticism.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 9, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The media is just saying all of this "hurtful" stuff now...

So the Jags can be that much more of a media darling when the team has a magical run and wins the Super Bowl… right? Yeah… I can dream.

by Blair72 on Sep 9, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The "media"

While I am not completely convinced our team will be fine this season, I will say this, Luke looked much better then Garrard, in preseason, and the Media? to heck with em, remember these are the same people that never gives the jags any credit for anything, I mean look at our history, they always pick the “other” team in the playoffs, when we made them, some even going so far to say “jacksonville, isnt that a USFL team”? and against pittsburgh? we were expected to be blown out. They consistantly rag on us for ticket sales, even though we are comparable to the steelers(last year) and we hardly ever get any calls at all(did you watch the giants game last year?) THEY HATE US, AND I HATE THEM-FIRE GOODELL

by zunklives on Sep 9, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

"Ball out McCown is what they’re calling him," Del Rio said. "He gets the ball out."

Sounds like receivers are happy

by smy on Sep 9, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was due to an unfortunate weightroom gaffe

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by Joe Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL...

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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 10, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

see my previous post....

I totally agree with ya… if the media has nothing to say they need to shut it… and look at these other so called teams with a rich history..AKA Raiders…

by Meadchuggins on Sep 9, 2011 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Whats the worst that can happen?

We can go 3-13 or 4-12, get a good pick in the draft, hopefully a nice target for BG to throw too and develope with, or we can go 8-8 or 9-7 and shut the mouth of every fuckin doubter out there…AGAIN! JAGS!!!!!

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