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A little mental math for the number 7 pick

Since the Jaguars' season has been over for a few weeks already, I've been doing my usual digging into the 2012 draft. In case you haven't been following the fanposts, suffice it to say others have been doing some draft research as well. In my thinking about the draft today, I came across a little numbers game that should make guessing the pick a little easier.

To start, let's just look at the available prospects. Who is out there that has been considered a top ten pick.

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QB:

Andrew Luck, QB Stanford. He will be the clear number one pick. Very intelligent. Strong arm. Great accuracy. Big body, good mobility.

Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor. He single-handedly brought the Baylor program to relevance and threw for over 4,200 yards and an absurd 10.7 yards per attempt. He should be a top 5 pick and will likely be picked before the Jags pick.

RB:

Trent Richardson, RB Alabama. He has the strength, vision and balance to be a very good pro RB. Not quite Adrian Peterson, but certainly could be a Frank Gore. That's good enough to make him a top ten pick, and possibly be drafted before seven.

OT:

Matt Kalil, OT USC. Kalil is the clear number one offensive tackle in the draft. He is powerful, quick and agile and looks like a potential franchise LT. He should go top three to five picks.

DE:

Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina. I think Coples is overrated. Still, he's the bright spot in a terrible draft for defensive end. Coples could be good, but he's not a sure success. Still, someone could reach for him in the top ten.

WR:

Alshon Jeffery, WR South Carolina. Jeffery is starting to look to me like a better option at WR than Blackmon. Whereas I have questions about Blackmon's ability to get open, I like Jeffery a lot. I see him as a potential top 7 player.

Justin Blackmon, WR OK State. Blackmon would have been a clear top five pick last year. This year he struggled a bit more to put up the same numbers. He doesn't have elite speed, but he has great jumping ability and strong hands. Given a decent workout at the combine, Blackmon will go top 5.

CB:

Morris Claiborne, CB LSU. Claiborne is a quick, smart cornerback with shutdown potential. He's been a ball hawk at the college level as well. He's a top five guy.

Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama. Kirkpatrick is a prospect I consider about on par with Claiborne. The difference between the two is that Claiborne made more interceptions and Kirkpatrick was stronger against the run. Both have size and skill enough to be considered premier cornerback prospects.

So basically, here's how I see it: The Jaguars pick seventh. Of the prospects listed, the two QBs will be gone before pick five. Kalil will almost certainly be picked before five as well. That leaves Richardson, Coples, the two WRs and the two CBs and four picks before the Jaguars draft. Six guys and four picks.

In a worst case scenario, one of the WR/CB prospects will be available. Odds are decent that two will be available. I think Blackmon will fall after the combine. By my best guess, Kirkpatrick and/or Blackmon will be available.

Between the two, I think there's more value in a shutdown corner than a stud WR. Of course, that's just my personal opinion, and it's not what I'm trying to talk about here. I'm writing this article to point out that if all goes as the talking heads seem to think pre-draft, we will have a premier WR or CB available when we pick. I believe if either is available, the Jaguars decision will be easy. There's no such thing as a sure thing, but I'm expecting a CB or WR with the 7th pick.

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There is the possibility that the Jags value board could contain a name or two you haven't listed

I’ve watched Tar Heel games this season and Coples was invisible. Being a S. Carolina alum I’ve watched Jeffery for a while and I think he’s slow and doesn’t get seperation. Jeffery reminds me of Reggie Williams. Of the choices you’ve listed, I would take a CB at #7.

by muddyballs on Jan 15, 2012 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

I like CB there too.

Specifically Kirkpatrick. I get the feeling that Claiborne will be a negative in the running game in his career and this is a “stop the run” team.

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by Brian Levenson on Jan 15, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions  

A few things

1)Coples is not worth a top 10 pick and I think gene Smith is going to see that easily so he will likely be nowhere near the top 10 on his board
2)Jeffery needs to have stellar workouts to be worth a top 10 pick, and even if he does, I think Kirkpatrick is the better prospect regardless.
3)I do think Kalil is not the only top 10 worthy OT. Martin and/or Rieff should be there too.

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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 15, 2012 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

well workouts have to play some parrt in gene's evaluation

sure, on-field production might be a much greater part, but workouts give a lot of info about a player you might not get from game tape.

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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 15, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with kungfuman...

on this one. I think Gene could care less about how well you workout. I think the best example of this is the 2010 draft when he selected Alualu over S Earl Thomas and DE JPP. If you go back and look at the combine results, both of them easily had better workouts than Alualu but it didn’t seem to have an affect on his board as Alualu was the still the selection. While you might be right in saying “workouts give a lot of info about a player you might not get from game tape.” I don’t think Gene sees it that way.

by kjones407 on Jan 15, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

you think maybe he looks at a JPP vs. Alualu and realize that there is value to the workouts and maybe decides workouts are actually worth more consideration than he was giving them?!

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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 15, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe...

but at the same time maybe not. For every JPP there is a handful of Vernon Gholstons.

by kjones407 on Jan 16, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I am not saying to put THAT much into the workouts

but to put no stock in the workout is also ridiculous

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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 16, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

and I am just saying

that MAYBE gene will realize to perhaps put more stock in the workouts than he might have done previously.

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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a huge believer in Martin or Rieff.

I think Martin is probably the better of the two, but he doesn’t have great foot speed. Either one of the guys would be playing RT for the forseeable future, and that’s not a position I’d consider spending a first rounder on.

I agree with you on Coples, though. Overrated.

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by Brian Levenson on Jan 15, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The way you feel about RTs

Is the way I feel about WRs. I’m okay with a RT in the top 10, as long as it’s a guy who can play LT as well. Having the insurance of a guy who can slide over to LT and be strong is an asset, IMO. Now that the rookie wage has mellowed that out, I don’t see any risk in taking a guy considered by many to be a top 10 LT as our RT, especially a guy like Reiff who looks like he has ideal tools for a RT.

Tackles are also hard to find in FA/lower rounds, and this years crop of tackles looks really weak after Kalil, Reiff, Martin and Adams.

by Mr.Awesome on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair points.

I’m also not a huge fan of 1st round receivers. The risk/reward balance isn’t good.

I think I’d still rather have Kirkpatrick.

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by Brian Levenson on Jan 16, 2012 5:46 AM EST up reply actions  

That's exactly it....risk/reward balance

Kirkpatrick looks interesting. I’d be okay with him.

by Mr.Awesome on Jan 16, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this approach, BL. Nice work.

The great thing about the draft is there is usually something weird (or dumb) that happens and changes things up. The Raiders every year, the Falcons last year, the Jaguars in 2008… I am curious to see how this years draft unfolds.

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by JPQ! on Jan 15, 2012 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

I would not be shocked if one of the top 10 prospects butchers his combine whether by measurables, interview or drug test

seems to happen every year.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 15, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

If Jeffery

runs his 40 anything 4.5 or under, he will be a sure top 10 pick. Above 4.5, he will slide. I want Kirkpatrick.

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by rhettchrystal on Jan 15, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

That was a terrible assessment of Luck

How about below average intelligence, poor arm strength. Great accuracy in college that doesnt project well to the NFL because the game is faster. And also immature. Luck will be a bust. I hope the Col.ts take him. He sucks.

by childintime12 on Jan 15, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

We can hope childintime... we can only hope.

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by Brian Levenson on Jan 15, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

O trust me

The guy is highly over rated. I have watched his games. Gabbert is better than him and younger. Luck is either Ryan Leaf or Alex Smith.

by childintime12 on Jan 15, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

And so

What about the 49ers win with Alex Smith at the helm. He was a bust b/c so many HC,OC changes and he needed a couple of years to get rid of spread mentality kinda like Gabbert needed at least a year. Also I would Love to have Luck fail for the colts, but honestly his skills will translate and so will his work ethic. He is the complete package so I don’t know what games you were watching of his.

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by Vegasjags on Jan 15, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

below average intelligence

Lost all credibility right there. did not even bother reading the rest.

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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 15, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember premium positions

This year has some good Wr that will be there in the 2nd. A shutdown CB is a premium position and enables your defense to do different things. I would go CB if that was the choice. Hopefully WR is addressed somewhat in FA,

by jagswinbig on Jan 15, 2012 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

Brian....

What two players do you think would be a surprise pick for the Jaguars? Kind of like when we chose Alualu, when nearly everyone said " who? "

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by cuffs007 on Jan 15, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly, I don't think we'll be surprised this year.

The two corners and Blackmon are both way up on draft boards and Blackmon/Kirkpatrick could move even higher. If their not on top of the Jags’ wish list, they’re probably pretty close.

It’ll be easier to pick out the risers when we get to the combine in February, but I’m expecting us to take one of the four I listed. (Maybe not Jeffery, who knows how he’s gonna look in workouts?)
If there is a surprise pick, it’ll be either a OT like Rieff or Jonathan Martin. If Michael Floyd does well in workouts, he could get himself on the Jaguars’ radar also.
There’s also the outside chance that if Richardson falls to seven the Jags would take him. Depends on how BAP Gene is feeling.

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by Brian Levenson on Jan 16, 2012 5:54 AM EST up reply actions  

" Depends on how BAP Gene is feeling "

Nice. I’d rec that part of your reply.

Sean

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by cuffs007 on Jan 16, 2012 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

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