2012 NFL Free Agency: Matt Roth
by Adam Stites on Jan 17, 2012 2:13 PM EST
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Over the course of the next few weeks I'm going to look at the Jaguars with contracts expiring at the end of the 2011 league year in March.
One of the better developments of the 2011 season was the emergence of defensive end Jeremy Mincey. He proved that he can be an every downs DE and if the Jaguars are able to re-sign him, he will surely start on the defensive line and provide the Jaguars with a threatening pass rusher. However, the player that would start at the other defensive end position is completely up in the air.
Among the candidates for the job would be Matt Roth. After being signed to a one year, $3 million deal with the Jaguars, Roth, 29, started nine games with Aaron Kampman and Austen Lane both injured. He played well in the spot recording 3.5 sacks and serving as a stout run defender before a concussion ended his season.
It seems like a given at this point that the Jaguars will release Aaron Kampman. Due almost $5 million in 2012 and about $6.5 million in 2013, it doesn't make much sense for the Jaguars to keep Kampman after ACL tears in consecutive seasons that appeared to cripple the veteran in 2011 and during the few times he saw the field he displayed zero burst or explosion off the line.
With Kampman gone and Roth's contract expiring, the only defensive ends on the roster would be John Chick, Aaron Morgan, Austen Lane, Jammie Kirlew and George Selvie. I'm certainly optimistic about the development of players like Chick, Morgan and Lane, but none can be considered "proven" players by a long shot at this point in their careers.
Roth, if re-signed, will give the Jaguars a player that can be a starting quality end. Whether or not they add a starting level defensive end in the draft will remain to be seen, but I'm certainly not a fan of entering the draft with a need that has to be met early that forces the hand of management.
The other option would be for the Jaguars to look for a higher quality defensive end in free agency like Mario Williams, Robert Mathis or Cliff Avril to fill the void. Roth may be a little too pricy of a free agent for someone that isn't signed with the intention to start and instead be used rotationally.
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Roth is a very nice situational player
Assuming the Jags can go out and get a top tier pass rusher(likely in free agency) Roth can fill a very nice role as a situational player, and I would very much like it if he was brought back in that capacity.
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I like Roth
I voted Yes, but I think if the price is right. He’s stated he wants to come back to Jacksonville, so if the price is right I wouldn’t mind him back.
I think if our DE’s were Roth, Mincey, and the signing of Robert Mathis, I’d be happy. With Morgan, Lane, & Chick as backups. 6 DE’s though? How many do teams usually keep?
We've been keeping a lot of DL's
the last couple of years. We’ve been carrying 6 DE’s or DT’s most years.
With Mince...
being able to play DT on passing downs, I could see the team going light on DT’s and heavier on DE’s.
I would love to have him back. So long as he doesn’t have any lingering problems from his concussion why wouldn’t you? I think he knows he will find the best money in JAX and wont try to run up his price. He is a situational player like Jagsrok9008 mentioned and his market is limited. We love him here and he should try to finish out his career on this roster.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Jan 17, 2012 2:24 PM EST reply actions
I liked Roth’s play, but that concussion has me worried. That thing basically ended his season and, from I understand, they come with more frequency as they go on.
I know it’s not this article, but I have the same worry about Sessions.
i agree
Sessions is a woory with his head but you can play him and hope for the best. Russel Allen is good enough to step in. Session could be released everntually becuz of money
by childintime12 on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Cliff Avrill would outright explode in our D. If we ever straighten out our CB sittuation we could get more daring on the D-line and blitz more. Toss in a pass rusher like Avril and opposing QB’s would wet themselves finally.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Jan 17, 2012 2:26 PM EST reply actions
I think we could get a awesome DB in the second or third round for sure. Cliff Avrill is a very good defensive player. Who else on d could help out our jags? I would love to see us bring in a veteran DB as well as a few more young players to help out.
by jagsfan30302011 on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM EST reply actions
I think the bigger problem with the run D after he left was
the fact that we couldn’t stop the pass as well with the injuries to Mathis and Derek, not to mention Knighton was hurt too.
No,
go sign Cliff Avril, if he gets re-signed, then re-sign Roth.
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they would have very different roles on this team
not sure why it shouldn’t sign both of them and if avril resigns look elsewhere but still bring back Roth.
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I don't want to pay
3 Mill, to a situational guy. Morgan, Lane, and Chick are situational players. Morgan and Chick are good pass rushers, Lane is good against the run, but bad against the pass. I don’t think the Jags should pay 3 Mill to a solid player. Just pay 7 Mill to a great player.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 17, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
who said to pay him 3 million dollars?!!
for that price I would agree he is likely not worth it, but I doubt he gets 3 million dollars especially coming off that concussion.
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he got 3 Mill last season
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 17, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I know
and he suffered a pretty serious injury last year. I doubt he gets 3 million this year.
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Gonna be hard to get him to agree
to a smaller contract. IMO, I wouldn’t sign him unless we can get him at about 2 mil.
2 years 7 million
Roth is a nice player and fits the scheme perfectly. A speed rusher is needed
by childintime12 on Jan 17, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Who said anything about situational
Unless the situation is first, second or third down. Roth is a run-stuffing DE who had 3.5 sacks in little more than half a season. Sounds like a real asset to me.
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by unhipcat on Jan 17, 2012 7:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
here is the thing
you ideally do not one of your starting DEs to be a one trick pony who can stop the run but not get to the QB all that well. Rather, you want Mincey to play DE alongside another complete DE, and have both of them play the run well along with having a real ability to get to the QB. I think a look at the Giants defense right now should show you just how valuable it would be to have a premier pass rusher who can also play the run lining up as the other DE(to Mincey)
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Exactly...
That’s why Roth is a fall back option.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 17, 2012 7:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
or a situational guy who is not a 3 down DE
but rather comes in for specific SITUATIONS
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point taken, and agree
kampmann, when healthy, was an everydowns guy.
mincey, imho, is developing into one.
a clone, or improvement, on the opposite side is just what we (and 31 other teams) need.
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No
Concussion history makes him too hot to touch. However, if the money is right, I can be swayed.
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 17, 2012 4:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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WHAT A FU**ING IDIOT…we should still draft him.
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Arent you like 15? Lol
You could get drunk off a wine cork.
by JagSoldier on Jan 17, 2012 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
be 17 in july
and that’s not possible, I can drink a decent amount, I’d say.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 17, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Smearnoff, jack Daniels, and 4loco
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 17, 2012 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont know what worries me more,
that you drink or that someone is buying it for you.
by JagSoldier on Jan 17, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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The Smirnoff...
worries you? I’d say that Jack Daniels and Four Loco he’s drinking is much worse.
All comes down to price for Roth, Kampman & Rashean
Gene will find out how much they think they are worth at this point, and likely let them shop themselves around to figure out their FMV. Hopefully they come back to the roster at the right price.
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Roth would be a good re-sign, but Kampman and Rashean are definitely out. I could see Rashean staying only if he took a pay-cut, but Kampman is gone for sure. I see the Jags drafting a DE in the 2nd or 3rd round.
I just googled Cliff Avril ...
Didn’t know much about him … do you guys know he was born in Jax? Can’t hurt.
Jags DE
Matt Roth and Lane at LDE is solid. Mincey and Chick at RDE is solid. Now we just need a good player who can play both. Dangit Kampman. Douzable was good against the run at DE as well. Release Kampman and add 1 DE but make sure its a good one.
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