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Jaguars Will Spend In Free Agency, According To Shad Khan

The Jacksonville Jaguars still have a plethora of cap room, despite spending millions of dollars on the defense last season. At last nights "Ready To Rise" rally at EverBank Field, which saw nearly 7,000 Jaguars fans attend, new Jaguars owner Shahid Khan said he plans to spend to the cap. "We've got a salary cap - we're going to be up to the salary cap," Khan told reporters after the rally. "In free agency, you have to spend money. You have to spend it wisely. We're going to be spending to the cap."

"We'll be very aggressive once we target the players," Jaguars general manager Gene Smith said at the rally. "Just like we were on the defensive side (last off-season), we'll try to upgrade the weapons on offense." After Smith spoke, Khan quipped, "Gene, Mike... please do that."

Last offseason, the Jaguars went out and signed Paul Posluszney, Clint Session, Dawan Landry, Drew Coleman, Matt Roth, and traded for safety Dwight Lowery. In turn, that "fixed" the defense by injecting talent into it. The team will look to do the same for the offensive side of the ball. There should be a plethora of wide receivers available and even a few offensive lineman, if the team feels that's an area to address. "We're going to be competitive," Khan said. "We're going to be going up to the cap, whatever is allowed. That's the wonderful thing about the NFL. You have a cap and we're going to be using it."

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Loving the photo caption.

by C-Dizzle on Jan 18, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

hahaha

That is awesome

by grues0809 on Jan 18, 2012 12:11 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

How does the whole cap thing work?

We wouldn’t want to spend all the way up to the cap, would we? What happens when some of our best player’s contracts end and we can’t afford to sign them to bigger contracts? Could someone please explain this to me?

by TaylorChase on Jan 18, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

He is the Owner not the GM

I think hes trying to get fans exciting, telling them he is supplying as much funds as the league will allow to make the team competitive. I am sure that he wants the team to have room to make trades, sign guys mid season and to retain our teams talent. This is meant to excite fans and it excites me, its not meant to imply we will use all of our funds and cripple the teams ability to add and subtract in the future

by Jermaside4 on Jan 18, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I understand that.

I’m just curious how it actually works. I’m with you, I’m so excited for next year.

by TaylorChase on Jan 18, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but...

I think the challenge we’re going to see is (if I remember correctly) that teams are going to have to spend up to a certain percentage of the salary cap and there will be more buyers this year than a normal year. Combine that will the massive overhaul of the rookie wage scale and there will be even more money in the free agency pool. I’m not saying it can’t be done, but there will be massive overpaying this year – even more than last year.

Personally, I think that they chances of a VJax or a DBowe being available are not going to be a matter of dollars, but a matter of whether the other teams want them from a chemistry/locker room perspective.

by Sourwine on Jan 18, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah me neither.

I want to inject new talent to the offensive side but I don’t want to push it to the limit and end up in cap problems down the road

by grues0809 on Jan 18, 2012 12:18 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Cap problems are virtually impossible now. You have to spend 99% of the cap by 2013 anyway.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Houston is close to cap hell, as is Indy, right?

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

So, it seems like my comment was validated. Houston dipped in the FA pool a bit and Indy has its day of reckoning coming with Manning.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I love it !!!!

But keep in mind we have players to resign also and they want to add players in free agency ssoooo it could get tricky

by amujic32 on Jan 18, 2012 2:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Love it.

I hope we bring in a plethora of new offensive players.

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by JPQ! on Jan 18, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

good use of "plethora"

Best use was in the movie “Three Amigos”.
There ya go, useless fact of the day.
You’re welcome.

Sean

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by cuffs007 on Jan 18, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

YES!`

Jefe: I have put many beautiful pinatas in the storeroom, each of them filled with little suprises.
El Guapo: Many pinatas?
Jefe: Oh yes, many!
El Guapo: Would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?
Jefe: A what?
El Guapo: A plethora.
Jefe: Oh yes, you have a plethora.
El Guapo: Jefe, what is a plethora?
Jefe: Why, El Guapo?
El Guapo: Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has no idea what it means to have a plethora.
Jefe: Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?

by Kyle Lipsey on Jan 18, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

ah yeah. glad i wasn’t the only one to remember that.

Sean

Pax Armis Acquiritur

by cuffs007 on Jan 18, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The more people you bring in

the more issues you may have getting them to work together.

The obviously need to add some top-level WR’s and maybe improve the O-Line, but it’s not like you really want to sign 3 new starting offensive lineman or you’ll spend half the season trying to get them to play as a unit.

by pksiv on Jan 18, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it

Shahid or Shad? I’ve seen both lately, interchangeable?

by jagcat on Jan 18, 2012 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

NFL has Shahid. I think “Shad” is the Americanized / bastardized version. So, yeah, they’re interchangeable.
HERE is the Times-Onion article.

Sean

Pax Armis Acquiritur

by cuffs007 on Jan 18, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe like...

Steve for Stephen, or Bill for William……or my favorite (and least clear)…..Dick for Richard. I think that came about because there was a guy named Richard who was a dick….and it just stuck!

by GAJAGFAN on Jan 18, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

I never understood that nickname either

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 18, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nixon

Richard Nixon made all Richards, Dicks.

by Kyle Lipsey on Jan 18, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

there is a lawyer in neptune beach whose name is Richard Morehead. awesome

Sean

Pax Armis Acquiritur

by cuffs007 on Jan 18, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There is also a couple that live in marsh landing named Pat and Phil Hiscock. You would never believe this, but their neighbor’s last name is Balls.

I’m not making this up.

by Derek Stiles on Jan 18, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Khan!! THANK YOU

Living 35 million under the cap is almost impossible to compete in the NFL. Sure, you can get lucky one year, but spending close to the cap means your doing everything you can to win.

Gene Smith was limited under Wayne Weaver. Spend, get Vincent Jackson, Stevie Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Marques Colston. Get Mario Williams, Cliff Avril, Robert mathis.

Lets get stars in Jacksonville that will be able to contribute and win us games.

Thank you Shad Khan!!

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Just remember, there are others way underspent on cap and they will be forced to spend also..

some of them will be looking for WR’s and DE’s and such. I see a bidding war coming…

by muddyballs on Jan 18, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i live in SD and follow the Chargers pretty closely

He is a horrible locker room guy, won’t talk to the media, has a prima donna attitude. He takes games off inexplicably – and then won’t answer for it because he won’t talk to the media. He’s had multiple DUI’s and has already been suspended for 3 games because of substance abuse. And he’s just generally known as a malcontent and is not regarded highly in the SD community. The Chargers will make no effort to re-sign him…there’s a reason

by JohnnyBiceps on Jan 18, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Because?

we dont want playmakers here…

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Where do you...

be getting this stuff? How was Gene Smith limited under Wayne Weaver when Gene spent over 110 million on free agents to upgrade the defense while Weaver was still the owner?

by kjones407 on Jan 18, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

35 million

under the cap tells me all i need to know.

Do you honestly think Gene thought the Receivers were good last season? Because thats what he tried to sell us on.

We need to spend money, get in playmakers, and start selling tickets.

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Being 35 million...

under cap doesn’t say anything except that we are 35 million under the cap. Considering the boatload he spent last offseason, I’d say that’s a damn good spot to be in. If he would’ve spent up to the cap then, we wouldn’t be in position to do anything this offseason.

I like how you spent this to touch on the receivers, so lets take it there. What I think Gene thought was that last seasons group of receivers would be serviceable until he had the chance to upgrade the position. He also probably said this when Garrard was still thought to be the starter.

by kjones407 on Jan 18, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Adding a boatload to a Fishing boat

Does not make a cruise ship. We were insanely low before and spent more. That still left us as low spenders. Now we are talking about fitting in with the top tier. That’s a fundamental shift.

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by DownTownJax on Jan 18, 2012 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You're right...

because teams like the Redskins, Jets and the Cowboys who spend big money are top tier teams.

by kjones407 on Jan 18, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Jets

Made it to back to back AFC Champ games.

if we were 35 million under the cap and winning i would agree with you, but the fact that we have to worst offense in the NFL means we need to go use that money and get some talent.

Being 35 million under is great if you don’t suck.. we suck though

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Jets made it to back to back AFC Champ games?

That wouldn’t be THIS year would it?
So maybe loading up on cap and praying for a Superbowl in the next two years isn’t the ideal plan of action..

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't win it every year

But you can put your team int he best possible position. We did not do that last offseason

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

neither did the Jets.

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said they were good,

We are going to spend more. We haven’t been doing that lately. That is fundamentally different. Why is that going to turn us into the Redskins?

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by DownTownJax on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I did mention...

two other teams also that have spent big with mixed results. Point is, spending in free agency assures nothing.

Why are you saying we having spent lately after the big spending spree last offseason? There hasn’t been one offseason yet since Gene has been GM that we haven’t brought in someone from free agency. It might not have been like last offseason where he brought in a whole bunch of players but it’s not like it hasn’t happened at all.

by kjones407 on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't a spending spree

It was more like buying groceries for the average family. We were going top ramen style and all of a sudden we put Campbell’s in the cart. Still not being a big spender. Just close to average.

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by DownTownJax on Jan 19, 2012 7:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Close to average?

Now this conversation is getting ridiculous because there is nothing even remotely average about going out and signing 5 starters, as Coleman played enough to be considered a starter and trading for another. Mind you this was all on defense with Poz, Sessions, Landry, Coleman, Roth and the trade for Lowery. If that isn’t a spree to you, then you’re just saying that to say it. If it would’ve been 1 or 2 players, I’d agree, but 6? In the words of that ESPN segment, C’MON MAN!

by kjones407 on Jan 19, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

When your defense is ranked in the 30s overall in 2010

Signing starters isn’t hard. Can you even tell me what all these big money signings cost? Not all those guys were high priced. Most were average price. Again, the Jags didn’t make it rain. We haven’t been big spenders overall and it will be interesting to see the change.

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by DownTownJax on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

kjones..

not sure why your arguing this. It is obvious the Jaguars have not spent money in recent years. So glad those days are over…

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What about....

110 million dollars spend last offseason says “It is obvious the Jaguars have not spent money in recent years.” to you?

by kjones407 on Jan 18, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

thats in total salaries..

1 star QB and you would be at 110 million in the offseason in salary.

we are 35 million under the cap. we will finally start spending like we need to..

are u related to Gene Smith? you are taking this personal..

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It's official...

there is no point talking to you.

by kjones407 on Jan 18, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok

the Jaguars have spent money

signed,
35 million under the cap

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

So last year,

with limited time for FA..
When the number of FA receivers, wasn’t very great, and only a couple didn’t sign with their current team, you wanted them to actively pursue some, even though this year has many more quality FA receivers, ok?

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

YES!

Steve Breaston and malcom Floyd this year would have been great additions. would we still need a number 1? yes, but at least we wouldn’t need a 1 2 and 3 like now

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The only thing,

is we had a ton of 2nd and 3rd WRs this year, and even a couple 4s. You NEED the WR the other team has to gameplan for if you want those 2s and 3s to have a huge impact. Adding another 2 doesn’t cure that problem.

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by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Do we have any number 2 or 3 WR on this team?

Maybe Mike Thomas as a 3rd

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

we have a lot of #2 on this team in terms of wide receivers

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

So,

one year is enough basis to ignore what someone else has done for the rest of their career? Cause this is the only year I would say M80 hasn’t lived up to what you would expect from a #2.

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by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

he has been a 3 he whole career. where would he play on GB or NO or NE or the eagles? or giants or any other team in the league. he is a 3

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

he has comparable numbers

to the “great” players you wanted to add.

Seriously, you are wrong. k

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by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

and for the record,

comparing a 5-11 (defensive-minded) team, to a) high powered offensive teams b) that were all competing for the Superbowl c) with most likely HOF Quarterbacks, is stupid. plain and simple.

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by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

agree to disagree,

about stats… ok then.

mike thomas (3 years), 45 games 158 receptions 1,688 yards 10.9 avg, and 6 tds (2 more than Floyd had in his first 3 years, and same number as Breaston)

malcom floyd(7 years), 74 games 177 receptions 3,1370 yards 17.9 avg and 20 tds
steve breaston(5 years), 76 games 248 receptions 3,313 yards 13.4 avg and 9 tds

considering both have had better QBs, for their careers, looks very similar to me, and M80 is younger. Just saying

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by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

28th to 6th

what do those numbers mean to you?

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

great job with the D

but completely ignoring the offensive problems led us to 5-11

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

there were a lot more machinations that led to 5-11 than the offense

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed.

Gabbert doesn’t help

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I was talking more from the lame duck coaching staff, but believe what you will

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He thought, as most of us,

That they were servicable when playing hard, but they didn’t do that. Also, its not like there were any good FA WRs last year.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 18, 2012 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

1. Who should that remaining $35M have been spent on? I want names.

2. Had they spent all the remaining $35M, they’d virtually have nothing to spend in FA this season.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 2:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Receivers

have been bad for 2 3 4 years now.. so it’s not a matter of who we should have gotten last season, but in the previous 4 offseasons.

I’m just glad we will be spending in a good FA class

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Who should they have signed that they missed on in free agency?

Name some names. Just whining about being $35M under the cap is being whiney just to whine. What receivers did they miss on in free agency they should have signed to spend that money on?

You’re complaining they didn’t spend to 100% of the cap. Who should they have spent it on?

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

They already said there was no one in free agency

They thought could be a difference maker, I’m happy with what happened least year in FA and I think the same will happen this FA

by amujic32 on Jan 18, 2012 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not complaining they didnt spend 100%, but having 35 million left is too much if your not winning

Going back a couple seasons?

Brandon Marshal we could have traded for.
Malcom Floyd
Steve Breaston
Brandon Floyd for a 5th round pick

ALL the players we have passed on in the draft like jordy nelson, greg jennings, hakeem nicks, Jeremy Maclin, mike wallace and a handful of other receivers.

there are other receivers we could have gotten as well, but we didn’t want either a) characters or b) spend the money

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What does trading and the draft have to do with the salary cap? Stick to the issue you’re complaining about here. The salary cap has nothing to do with trades and the draft.

Should have spent money on Breaston (61/765/2TD) and Floyd (43/856/5TD)? That would have made a difference? Those are Mike Thomas and Mike Sims-Walker numbers.

Who should they have spent the $35M on last year in free agency? What other receivers should they have spent money on? Name some names. Name how much money should have been spent on them.

Also, Brandon Floyd isn’t even a real player.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Holyyyyy god

Hahahaha
Get emmmmm!!!

by amujic32 on Jan 18, 2012 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

LLoyd**

I wouldn’t be complaining about being 35 million if we were in the playoffs.

Wasn’t James Jones a Free Agent last season?
Laurent Robinson?
Brandon lloyd for a 5th rounder and give him a contract extension.

You’re asking me what i would have done, i just think with 35 million in cap space, to play with the receivers we did is unexceptable.

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

But, WHO would you have spent that $35 million on?

Who was worth spending it on? Name the players.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No receiver is worth 35 million...

james jones
steve breaston
brandon lloyd
laurent robinson
malcom floyd.

for about 10 million we could have had an average WR group. so we would have had 25 million to get the Star that is out there this year.

I agree, no player is worth 35 million but we had 35 million and didn’t spend any of it on receivers.

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

So, what you’re saying is there was no one out there to spend the remaining $35 million on? Just a buch of “guys” who aren’t worth much?

Well.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Can i ask.

Would we have a better with James Jones and malcom floyd on our team?

we had 35 million and stayed with our terrible receivers.

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Clearly we’d have made the playoffs. Right?

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

but with Jones and Floyd, give me just one of these top receivers this year and we have a great WR group.

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? It’s a “great” receiver group because you have another team’s “other” receivers?

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Marques Colston
Malcom Floyd
James Jones
Mike Thomas

That’s pretty darn good..

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean it’s “great”? That’s a “great” receiver group to you?

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Compared to what we have now

Yeah that’s great. we could win with that group

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If you want to be "great"

you don’t look at something that is awful, and say, well its better than awful, it must be great!

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by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

and that was meant for bdk790

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by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, so great is now used in comparison to terrible.

My, how our sights are set high.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

James Jones was never leaving GB...

And Floyd was asking for $5 mil. There’s slightly overpaying and drastically overpaying.

by SilentJag on Jan 18, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

5 million for floyd

and 5 million for steve Breaston..

you wouldnt have wanted that?

we just paid 6 million for mike thomas..

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll give you the 2 moves I thought would have helped this team and been very cost effective

Sign Malcolm Floyd to a deal similar to what we signed M80 for.

Claim Doug Baldwin as a UDFA.

I was banging the drum quite a bit for Baldwin when the lockout ended and we claimed all of these UDFAs. I’d definitely have taken him over Binns. I still think Floyd could have been had for the right price. Jones, I think he wanted another ring and his heart was in Green Bay.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would you want to grossly overpay for two horribly mediocre WRs?

Neither of them have ever shown any sort of potential to be #1 guys and haven’t even broken the 1,000-yard mark except once(Breaston) with #1 guys drawing double-teams? If you want to bring them in as #1 guys and pay them close to that level of money, they better flash that #1 potential or all you’re doing is just paying for another massive disappointment like Jerry Porter.

This kind of crap is why I’m wondering why the hell some people here are so in love with Harry Douglas despite the fact that he’s underachieved his entire career so far and his only good games he’s had were the result of being matched up against the nickel or dime back while Roddy/Tony/Julio all got the most attention.

by SilentJag on Jan 18, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

and to be fair,

Laurent Robinson wasn’t a FA, he was a Practice Squad player who was released (and picked up on waivers? or signed off the Chargers PS)

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by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Laurent Robinson

was a FA from st. louis i thought.. my point is if we upgraded to an average WR group last offseason we could be in a better spot this offseason

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Adding average receivers as your teams best receiver wouldn’t have solved or helped anything. That’s how the Jaguars got into the WR mess they’re in. They had average guys they thought could get them by.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Jaguars don’t even have average receivers.

Mike Thomas is the closes and he is borderline average

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

And they all look so bad, partly because none of them are stand alone wide receivers forced into trying to be that. They’re all “role player” receivers, just like the guys you wanted the Jaguars to go get. It wouldn’t make a difference, especially not for the money you’re advocating spending.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

We paid Mike Thomas ..

6 million a year.

who would you rather have
Malcom Floyd or Mike Thomas?
Steve Breaston or Mike Thomas?
Brandon Lloyd or Mike Thomas?

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

How about none of them?

Overpaying one mediocre player isn’t justification to overpay other mediocre players just to spend money, which is essentially what you’re complaining about. You’re upset they didn’t spend “enough” on poor quality players.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

we added Robiskie, MSW and Taylor Price

names

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

could’a, should’a, would’a…
adding one average receiver could’a taken us to the playoffs.
adding one average receiver could’a led us to a worse record.
Point is, no one will ever know.
I do agree with the belief that the Jags thought they could get by with who they signed.

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by cuffs007 on Jan 18, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Salary Cap

From what I remember/understand the new cap goes something like this..

League-wide, teams must spend 99% of the cap in 2011 and 2012 and there is no per team minimum or floor at this time. I think the cap for 2011 was like $120M. It will most definitely be going up.

Starting in 2013 there is a per team salary floor of 89%. So a team would have to spend at least 106M (based on 2011 salary cap number) but would have 13+M to signed additional players.

the idea is you can spend 100% of your cap but that would be stupid so that’s why they put in a 11% cushion.

If I am incorrect about any of this, please jump in but If I am off I am not off by much.

by GRSJags on Jan 18, 2012 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

This is wrong

“League-wide, teams must spend 99% of the cap in 2011 and 2012”

If there is no floor, than how can teams be forced to spend 99% of the cap ? They’re mutually exclusive options.

by pksiv on Jan 18, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

If it’s wrong, what’s right?

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Alfie!!?

Do I get a prize?

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by Conservative on Jan 18, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry left some things out...

May have not explained that one very well… So I will try without writing War and Peace.

In terms of minimum salary for each team, the salary floor is in fact at 89% of the cap. However, that does not start/enforced until 2013. So in essence there is no salary floor in 2011 or 2012. It was essentially written this way to give teams a few years to get in line with the new requirement since the 120M cap figure was lower than the previous year.

What it is now is League Wide; which means an average of all teams together must reach 99%. This sounds impossible but don’t forget teams were allowed to be over the cap by about 6M for veteran bonuses/signings and several teams took advantage of that.

So this is how it works right now:
League wide average of 99% for 2011
League wide average of 95% for 2012
Per team floor of a minimum of 89% for 2013

I could not begin to explain all of the intricacies in a single post but as I said in my initial post before if I am wrong tell me where I am wrong. I guess I should have added to post the correct information.

by GRSJags on Jan 18, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Correction...

Ok I found this document that was put out by the players association…
http://ht.cdn.turner.com/si/images/2011/07/25/New_2011_Deal_Summary_7.pdf

Its basically states that the Salary Cap is:

Guaranteed League-Wide Cash Spend of 99% of the Salary Cap in 2011-12
Minimum Team Cash Spend – 89% of Cap in 2013-16 and 2017-20 on a four year average
Guaranteed League-Wide Cash Spend of 95% in 2013-16 2017-20 four year periods.

by GRSJags on Jan 18, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

2 guys

Top WR available and either the top CB or DE. Thats all thats needed as long as pending free agents resign with us.

by childintime12 on Jan 18, 2012 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

For some reason

reading this post caused me to smile…

by jagsfan17 on Jan 18, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

They know years in advance

which of the players’ contract would end. It is a giant chess match.
They also have an idea about what it would cost to sign their own players.

by Nolan Sackett on Jan 18, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Lets see

Lock Knighton up long term(contract, not jail)
Lock Mincey up long term
Sign two big name receivers
Sign a big name DE
Sign a decent OL

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by rhettchrystal on Jan 18, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

here's my crack at it

Take my chances on Pot Roast. He’s not a guy I’d want to pay before I had to. He’s gotta back away from the buffet and realize he’s in effect his own corporation/

Mincey, lock him up soon. Same with Coleman and Scobee.

Cliff Avril or Robert Mathis, preferrably Avril. Something tells me he would be the best DE we’ve had since Brackens. Mathis, I have my doubts as to whether he’d be as good without a Dwight Freeney and vice versa.

Offensive line, I’m not sure I’d address it via FA. Who knows, we knock out some needs in FA, we may draft a couple of linemen. I would envision that we’re going to have a new strength coach too.
Receivers – Dwayne Bowe and either Stevie Johnson or Marques Colston/Pierre Garcon

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Honest question for bdk and others

tell me a WR free agent from last year who prospered with his new team, and by prospered I mean performed better in 2010.

I would venture to say it’s easier for a defense to get on the same page collectively than it is for an offense to hum, especially new receivers with new quarterbacks.

You can play grab ass at Glen Kernan til the cows come home for the cameras, but you need OTAs and a real offseason to get things going.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Sign David Garrard...

Regardless what everyone will say or think, David was a good back-up quaterback that played his role for a longer time than he should have and got “ALL Jacked-UP” by Del Rio. I really feel that if Mr. Garrard would want to even come back we should take him back. Keep Blaine and if things don’t pan out there will be more QB’s we could draft. The same recievers looked better for him, after being released, they looked like every down we had 8 linemen on the field.

by duvalcnty on Jan 18, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

tried to lighten up the post a little. I know it’s not going to happen.

by duvalcnty on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Lets just make to our weaknesses

This coming draft and free agency, we know we have a new owner that has expressed that he will “fork up” the money to spend. The major issues during the season was the inconsistency of the recievers and the poor play from our secondary. Plus we need to develop Blaine Gabbert and tune his skills this offseason. That will also require signing an experienced OL.

Draft: WR, DE, DB, OL
FA Signing: WR, OL, CB, DE

The coaches are in place. We have our future quarterback instilled in our offense. Now its time to put some weapons around him. I have a good feeling about our 2012-2013 campaign

by Deadbird Rugby on Jan 18, 2012 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

I love what Khan is preaching. I hope he sticks to his words and we get some sexy players.

It is annoying though that some of you keep hampering on the salary cap and that we should have spent more this last season. You keep complaining about not getting WRs but you have still failed to name a true #1 they should have spent on.

by JagSoldier on Jan 18, 2012 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

wait,

is Jenn Sterger’s contract with the Jet’s expired then? :)

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by TmannZOU on Jan 18, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

let me clarify

Did I once say that their was a number 1 receiver to be had last free agency? I just think we should have gotten 1 or 2 wr last offseason and that way we are just a number 1 wr away from having a very Solid group.. Our current wr’s are pathetic and with all that cap space we could have added a Floyd or Lloyd or James Jones or breaston.. I’m excited for this off season and pumped we are finally going to spend money to win

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 7:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

They’ve spent money to win, many many times.

Why is this so hard? Because it wasn’t spent how you wanted?

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Alfie we are 35 million under cap.. We are spending almost the least amount in the league to ‘win’

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If only it were that simple, too bad it’s not.

The team gut roster, and contracts three years ago. They’ve also front loaded the vast majority of contracts to progressively clear up cap room so when they hit things like… the 2012 offseason which looks to have the most free agent WR talent in the history of free agency… they have the money to get whoever they want.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 18, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully we can get these players that are available… I understand we cleared up cap space but I also vividly remember gene smith claiming that the receivers before this season were (paraphrase) “that we are satisfied with the receivers we have”… We have one of the worst receiving groups in the nfl and we did not address that at all in free agency, so admitting they were trying to clear cap space also admits they fed us a line of bs before the season. I dont mind saving cap space but if you have holes on your roster and ignore them that’s just stupid. I’m excited for shad khan and his endorsement to gene smith that he wants him to fill any and all holes in the roster. That’s something we hadn’t done in the past

by bdk790 on Jan 18, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And they were satisfied and thought they could get by with who they had.

They mis-evaluated and they missed on it. The guys in FA weren’t going to significantly improve the WR situation, however. Their stats very likely would have been just as poor.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 19, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct me if I am wrong

I’ve read your comments. Your point was that the Jags should “spend to win” and your evidence to support that are the Jets being in consecutive AFC Championship games. That’s fair enough but there are number of teams who applied the same method and failed. Hint Redskins/ 2008 our beloved Jags. I am not going into that.
However, what many on here forget to understand is GENE SMITH’S philosophy. Build through the draft and patch in free agency. I am sure Shad understand that method of success in the NFL which is why Gene is the the GM.
Shad is a new owner building his way into the fan base and with that He wants to give em reason to be excited. And I am sure many of you are excited by his comments, as you should be. That was his goal going into the event.

by KingTyse93 on Jan 18, 2012 8:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

After we sign some WR’s and some OL’s, lets sign Cliff Avrill at DE. A pass rusher like him would just make our d line an A-bomb.

by Catfanatic1979v1 on Jan 18, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

The Jag's won't be able to wait, they will have to jump on Avril (if they are interested)

bc he will most likely be highly sought after and will probably be signed in the first 2-3 days of F.A.

by Jags85 on Jan 19, 2012 12:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I dont mind as long as we bring in some talent. And it doesn’t put us in salary cap hell, I remember those years vividly.

by celphdiggy on Jan 19, 2012 4:56 AM EST reply actions  

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