Jaguars Free Agent Jeremy Mincey Says He Won't Offer A Hometown Discount
by Alfie Crow on Jan 19, 2012 1:01 PM EST
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In many Jacksonville Jaguars fans eyes, defensive end Jeremy Mincey is a key free agent the team needs to focus on bringing back. He certainly is, but the questions arises to as what he's worth. Mincey had a break out year in 2011 with a career high 8 sacks (aided by 2.5 sacks in the final game), 57 tackles, 4 forced fumbles, and 16 starts. Mincey isn't going to take a hometown discount however, according to Vito Stellino of the Florida Times-Union.
The skinny: The Jaguars want him back because pass rushers are at a premium and he wants to remain a Jaguar. But he says he won't give the team a hometown discount so the question is whether the Jaguars will make a good enough offer to prevent him from testing the free agent market.
I have no idea what kind of contract Mincey is looking for, but when you see that a player has said they won't be taking a "hometown discount" it usually means they won't come cheap. Mincey is a very good football player and reminds me a lot of new assistant defensive line coach Paul Spicer, but I'm not sure if I'd hand the 28-year old defensive end a big contract.
Mincey was a good spot player prior to 2011 and took over in 2010 for draft bust Derrick Harvey, but he's still not that dominant pass rusher the Jaguars need. In my personal opinion, I think the Jaguars should let Mincey hit the free agent market and see what kind of money other team's think he's worth. For one, Mincey has been injury prone in his career and has played in just a single full 16-game season. He's a late bloomer, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it took him bouncing around on practice squads and six seasons to really become an impact player. He also padded his sack total a bit in the final game of the season, picking up 2.5 sacks to push his season's total from 5.5 to 8.0. Is Mincey a good pass rusher, or is he just the best of the worst on a team that's been trying to find a pass rush since the days of Tony Brackens?
The Jaguars have dealt with something similar like this, opting to let Bobby McCray hit the open market two seasons after he tried to cash in following a 10 sack season in 2006, but in the following season with the Jaguars he had just 3 sacks and then hit free agency. McCray signed a 5-year $20 million contract in free agency with the New Orleans Saints, but was released after two seasons netting only 7.5 sacks and starting just 8 games. He was signed by the Philadelphia Eagles in 2010 and played in just one game.
Am I saying Jeremy Mincey is another Bobby McCray? Absolutely not, but it's a reminder about being careful about paying a guy based on a single season's work, which is something Jaguars fans should know quite a bit about. Mincey is a player the Jaguars should look to keep if the money is right, but that's the ultimate question.
What do you pay Jeremy Mincey?
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I think..
they could live with 3yrs/12 Mil or something close but anything above that is probably not going to happen because of his age, his injury history, and the fact that those to inside guys attract some much attention.
I hope he is a Jag next year but I think they are going to let him test the waters before making an offer.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 19, 2012 1:15 PM EST reply actions
Why would he take a hometown discount?
It’s his first big contract and he wants to get paid. So… pay the man.
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I'd pay him somewhere around Kroy Biermann, Adam Carricker money
He’s probably near that C+ to B type of DE
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I agree
I don’t know all the ins and outs and am way too lazy too look up “comp” DEs to compare what he should be getting paid.
But I do know the Jags shouldn’t over pay this guy. I think he will continue to improve and maybe even turns out to be a real star with someone else on the line to draw some attention. That being said, the risk isn’t worth the reward with guys like Chick on the roster and guys like Avril looking to hit free agency and guys like Coples and Ingram in the draft.
In 2008 Justin Tuck signed a 5 year 30 million contract. I would put my guess for Mincey at or around 12mil/4years with maybe some 10+ sack bonus?
I would guess 3-4 mil a year?
I definitly think his contract should be filled with incentives though. If you get so many sacks we will give you bonus.
One reason...
I think he should give the Jags somewhat of cushion in contract negotiations is because if it wasn’t for Gene Smith believing in him, he more than likely wouldn’t have gotten the chance to breakout the way he did last season. Gene kept him around when he had proved nothing after being injured Gene’s first two years as GM. I’d say that should count for something. I don’t mind him doing all he can to get as much as he can but he should be conscious of this fact.
it's strictly business on either side
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5 out of his 8 sacks this year were against Indy
I like him a lot, but I don’t think he is worth nearly as much as he thinks he is
by kungfuman104 on Jan 19, 2012 1:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He did...
miss three sacks too. The only one I can recall is the one on Cam Newton when we played against the Panthers. Can’t recall the details on the other two. To your point though, he did abuse a rookie in Constanzo, a second year player in Linkenbach to get 4 of them. One of them came on a play when his blocker was TE Eldridge and he just beat him on the play. While it doesn’t take away from the fact that he got them or if this would factor into negotiations, who he got his sacks against should account for something.
Every DE misses a couple sacks
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Horseshoes and hand grenades.
I like that.
I don’t watch many other teams but I’m sure you’re right about other DE’s missing sacks too. I remember seeing Flacco shrug off JJ Watt last week in what was a near sack, which is, most likely, a common occurrence across the league.
He has 2.5 sacks in the first indy have and then another 2.5 sacks in the last indy game, thats 5 sacks so meaning he had 3 sacks the remaining 14 games.... A lil fishy to me
by amujic32 on Jan 19, 2012 1:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
considering we play the colts twice a year
That isn’t a big issue to me
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 20, 2012 8:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As far as I know not at #7, anyways
Coples is a name being thrown out there but he has some issues that I think will prevent him from being a Top 10-15 pick. Many people on this site call him a Derrick Harvey “clone”.
by Jags85 on Jan 19, 2012 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agree with this.
While I’m sure Mincey wants a big payday, there’s really no reason to believe he deserves a glamorous contract. He’s just now establishing himself as a quality player. It’s too early yet to try for a jackpot.
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he's 28
I see what you’re saying, but he had about 5 years where he was a journeyman. He’s hitting his prime.
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How long did it take Jason Babin to get to where he is?
I seem to remember that he only starting putting big sack numbers in 2010.
a contract year
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When ever I see a player have this "Break Out" season in his contract year (i.e Marcedes Lewis) it concerns me
Im sure having better talent helped a lil, but I do know that Jeremy Mincey is a try-hard guy who seems to have a relentless motor. I really like him but is he deserving of a monster contract? No. But he ofcourse, does deserve to get payed. In the end I think he and the Jag’s will come together on a fair agreement. I think he could definitely improve his total numbers with an addition of someone like a Mario Williams, or possibly Avril
by Jags85 on Jan 19, 2012 1:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sacks aren't the only measure of a pass rusher.
He gets consistent pressure. I would re-sign him, just not for Julius Peppers money.
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He doesn't fit well in their scheme.
He plays OLB but isn’t great at pass coverage. I think they let him walk.
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that's a hell of a lot of cheese to throw at Williams
To me, it seems that Barwin and Watt with a steady diet of linebackers is sufficient. They really clicked when Mario went down.
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I really do like the idea of signing Williams
But does he have injury risks?
by Jags85 on Jan 19, 2012 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Other than that knee injury this year
I haven’t heard about many injuries for him.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 19, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
you mean the torn pec?
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or was it bicep
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I'm not sure
I thought it was a knee injury that ended his season but it could be a torn pec
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 19, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Besides last year he was a pretty solid rock for the Texans.
by Adam Bealyer on Jan 19, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
If we can get Mincey for a reasonable deal
I’d love to have Mincey, Alualu, Pot Roast, and Williams on our D-Line.
if we
If we sign a guy like Mario Williams I’d be OK with letting Mincey walk.
Chick, Alualu, Pot Roast, Williams
we have a DT that showed he can kick out to DE (mosley or douz?)
we can draft some 2nd or 3rd round guys to add more depth, maybe a solid UDFA signing too.
man… can’t wait for FA.
There's a good possibility Chick will never fully recover from his torn patella tendon injury
I wouldn’t count on him making nearly as much of an impact in the future. If he does, great, but to expect him to be just as good is misguided, IMO.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine the only injury worse for a DE would be an achilles tear
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Of all...
the injuries that occured last year, his was the most disappointing of them all to me.
his story makes him a fan favorite
It was nice to see him on stage at the rally Tuesday.
He’s a scrapper, in fact the D Line is all scrappers and lunchpail guys.
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Even healthy
I’d start Lane, Douzable or Roth over Chick (assuming either of the latter two get re-signed).
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Lane's gonna have to show something this offseason or he may get cut
One guy not to fall asleep on is Selvie.
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agree on Selvie
he played well at USF, but stock dropped in 2009 as he was joined on the team by Jason Pierre-Paul.
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yup
He occupied a lot of double teams and JPP’s natural athleticism did the rest. Good to see he’s doing so well. Some coaches can get the best out of guys and Fewell is one of those. I think Cullen is another and am really glad they’re keeping the DC and Line coaches intact.
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I've been thinking that too
he has some nice burst off the line, if he can learn better technique, he might be a keeper.
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truth be told, it's my Pensacola bias coming out
I’ve been a huge Selvie fan since when he played for Pine Forest HS.
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Well I have no bias
he just flashed a few times while I re-watching games with his speed and athletecism.
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are you sure it wasn’t Cullen who flashed the drive-thru Wendy’s employees?
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ah yes
very good sir, very good.
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i forgot
i forgot that his injury was one of the more serious ones.
+1. Awesome. Sign him so he can sack the crap out of Schaub and shut those Texan fans up
…and Sack everyone else, too
by Jags85 on Jan 19, 2012 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he wants to play in a 4-3
this would be the perfect place to do it.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 19, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
That article uses erroneous information
It lists Williams’ franchise tag salary as $10 million. Per Paul Kuharsky, it would actually cost the Texans $16.56 million to tag Williams, which is a very significant difference. I don’t think there’s any chance it happens.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
They can tag him. Then they can reach a deal while he’s tagged and negotiate a new contract with lower numbers. What I’m trying to say is there are zero absolutes with contracts.
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I don't think they're willing to risk him signing the tender & taking $16.56 million guaranteed for one year
You’re right, there are no guarantees, but that article is based on the assumption that he would cost $10 million to franchise. He would not.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I just got a boner thinking about this.
Williams is really good.
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by Brian Levenson on Jan 19, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Those are always damning words
I think Mincey, I think Spicer and I also think Wilford. He may get that big deal in another city, and I don’t blame him one bit.
I’m sure Gene has a number in mind and if Mincey thinks he can get more elsewhere, great for him. However, if the Jags sign an Avril or Mathis or even a Mario Williams then his value instantly goes down.
One area I feel Gene Smith does a good job with is he will not make the emotional and often rash decision. If he feels Mincey is worth the money he’s asking, he’ll keep him around.
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NO HE DIDNT
YOU KEEP SAYING THAT, BUT HE DIDNT IT…I’ve seen this comment from you, 6 times, and I always reply the same thing……….
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 19, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Relax Rhett.
Just so there isn’t anymore confusion.
Appears he’ll be available.
Didn't read them all..
but it seems the fans in Detroit want him back. Not that it matters, just saying.
I know,
but on all my offseason mocks, and every other post, he’s like “I think Avril was resigned.” “Avril was resigned” He wasnt………………………….how many times do I got to say it.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 19, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Let him test the free agent market
and I think once the big-name DE’s are signed (to new or same team), he would likely settle here for a new contract when he realizes his value isn’t what he hoped.
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Agreed....
I always find it foolish when someone makes a public comment like Mincey has. If you are going for a big deal, keep your mouth shut until you are in negotiations. Foolish!
If he's the question " Will you take a hometown discount?"
What does he say?
The hometown discount thing is comical to me. No matter what field you’re in, you always want as much money as you can get. Football players are no different.
Two things.....
First, whats does he say……“I am going to leave those comments for the negotiating table”. Second, I also agree it is a comical question, and also agree that you want to make what you deserve, but there are other things to consider besides money. I do not know what field you are in, but I would imagine there are some circumstances and locations that you would not consider a job, no matter how much more they paid you (within reason). Also, if you have been in a job, like the job, like the location, like the folks you work with, and believe that working with these folks you can as a team achieve your goals (get to the big game), then money would not be the biggest concern (especially since you make millions already). In a nut shell, I am saying there is a lot more to life than money.
Pay somebody? Pay Williams or Avril
Mario Williams could be signed like Julius Peppers got signed by Chicago, a consistent stud pass rusher. I don’t think Khan would go cheap with the contracts, as long as they’re smart.
Avril is younger, and more consistent than Mincey (not to mention he’s from Jacksonville). I’d give him top $ before Mincey too. Like someone said, 5 out of 8 sacks game in 2 games for Mincey.
I like him, but if we are going to spend a lot on a DE I’d rather Super Mario, or Cliff Avril.
dude, how bout Avril and Mathis on the ends?
could be the best front 4 in the league, especially with Pot Roast gunning for a big payday and Alualu resting his leg.
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Would be amazing, can’t deny that. I just don’t see how they pay Mincey like a Pro Bowler when there are guys on the market better than him.
and that's the rub of the deal. It's incumbent on Gene to make the best right choice for the organization
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I dont see the Jaguars over-paying for Mincey
If Mincey is wanting “Pro Bowl” money he’ll have to get it from someone else bc I dont think he’ll get it from Jax. I think they’ll make him a good, fair offer, just not Pro Bowl money
by Jags85 on Jan 19, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Avril
And they both have comparable interior linemen and I think Detroit is a good benchmark. Really was not impressed with Suh this year.
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texans can always use the franchise tag on Mario
and by using the OLB tag, it would be about $3million less than the DE tag
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if they did that, they'd have a very disgruntled player on their hands
That to me is a grievance waiting to happen
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Hed be a hybrid
Just like terrel suggs
by amujic32 on Jan 19, 2012 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
from Mario himself
"If it comes to [a franchise tag], then so be it," Williams said. "I’m open to whatever, we’ll discuss that. I understand the way things work with salary caps and so forth. Whatever could help the team out, me and my agent will look at every option and go through that."
"There are a lot of smart guys up there who can move things around and figure stuff out. I’ll let them handle and my agent that while I support the team anyway I can and get healthy and be ready to play next year."
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See above
Tagging Williams will cost them $16.56 million either way.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Dont Overpay him
I may be wrong but halfhis sacks came against a Peyton Manning-less colts team…
A Normal year in our division maybe he only has 4 or 5 sacks. This is his first year of producing, so I would not give him anything more then a 2 or 3 year deal
I say...
give him a contract that is incentive based. Don’t give him too much guranteed money or a too high of a salary. If he’s the player he thinks he is, he’ll take that deal and earn the additional money he think he’s worth. I want to see him be a Jag next season but not at the expense of overpaying him and potentially tying too much money to him, possibly loosing cap room that can be spent on another player that can come in and have an impact.
I'd be insulted if I was Mincey and the Jags did that
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As I replied...
to Alfie. Make the offered guranteed money and salary reasonable, just don’t overdo it. I’m not insinuating that the team try to lowball him by any means.
I agree...
that it’s not a player friendly type of contract but the Jags do have bargaining chips in their corner when it comes to the negotiation, mainly his age and his injury history. I’m not saying try to cheat him in any way, I just don’t think it’d be in the teams best interest to give him a front loaded contract.
that's the kind of contract you'd offer a Kampman or Roth
A guy who you are gambling they won’t get any substantial offers
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I hope the only thing we offer Kampman is...
a goodbye and fare thee well card. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
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he ain't a bad guy
just had a run of bad luck.
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Im sure hes a great guy. That doesn't help the team.
Dont let the door hit you on the way out.
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but, but, he's like another coach on the defensive line
He teaches them how to be pros! Last night on my Madden franchise, he had 2 sacks vs. Baltimore as I won 77-3, Don Carey had 4 picks and MJD had 485 yards rushing with 8 TDs.
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yep
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AAARRGH
repeat after me… Coaches coach, players play
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I hope you 2 got my sarcasm
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What do you think...
will be the level of interest from other teams should he decide to test the market? And what type of contract he’ll demand by doing so?
as stated above, I think he'd command money in the Kroy Biermann/Adam Carricker range
maybe a bit less. I could see him in St. Louis, maybe even New England or Minnesota.
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Could you...
give me the numbers on their contracts? So I can have an idea of the type of numbers you’re referring to. I agree with you in the teams that he’ll draw the most interest from, especially Minnesota and New England. With the Vikings losing Ray Edwards last offseason and New England being the team that originally drafted him, I could see them being his main two suitors.
guess I should have clarified
I meant he’s about at their level skill wise. Carricker is at the end of his bloated rookie deal and Biermann is at the end of a contract he has outplayed, 4 yrs 2M. My point, and I should have been more clear, is those three are in that third tier of DEs
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Mincey's production is similar to Ray Edwards' in 2010
I’d expect offers in the range of 5 years, $25-30 million with $9-11 million guaranteed
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the input.
That sounds like a fair deal.
I know it's a different position
but Session got 5 years 30 mil with 11.5 guaranteed. I could see Mincey getting something like that.
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this is where a real, live NFL GM earns his money
was 2011 a fluke? can he do it again? or better? should i offer him a contract at a price I know he’ll sign when presented? if i let him test the waters, will he sign elsewhere? if I sign him big and he sucks, what does that do to the team? if i don’t sign him and he’s a pro-bowler, what does that do to the team? how much do you offer, keeping in mind what you’re paying MoJo, D Smith, Gabbert, etc, etc.
oh, and it’s real dollars money.
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I think it depends on the asking price. I would love for us to lock up a guy like Cliff Avril first so that we are not dependent on Mincey for a pass rusher. We could overpay otherwise.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Jan 19, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions
Does anyone know where the salary cap stands as of march 1st and before the resignings?
Also, does anyone know how much is calculated against the cap? Every time I think I have it figured out something still doesn’t make sense to me.
I like Mincey.
I dig his hard working, ex-practice squad, get after it on every play work ethic. But I would let him see what’s out there and then decide if we want top match it.
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Obviously Mincey is not worth premier DE money
but I think he is a very good LE type of player, so whatever those guys are making, then that’s what I’d offer.
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3 years
14 Mill or let him walk. I’d rather sign Avril and Mario Williams, then sign Avril and resign Mincey, for the same price.
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5 years? Not unless it's backloaded
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Contracts aren't fully guaranteed
so does it really matter if it’s 5 years. If he gets injured or stops producing after the first 3 or four years we just cut him.
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hes going to get some substantial money
people throwing around 10 to 15 mil its not going to happen
hes arguably the second best DE in this years free agent period(if not then hes third) and the market sets the price not what the player is actually worth
if mario signs for 70 mil
and avril signs for 40 or 50
mincey will sign for 30 or 40 mil and it will be a long term deal
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LMAO
Nope..maybe 5th
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 19, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he gets 30 to 40 mil.
but I would not be opposed to giving him 5 years 25 mil with 13 or 14 guaranteed.
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id love that deal
i just see it being a little more with the new cba contracts are going to start getting bigger than what we are used to
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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 19, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rank him fifth behind Williams, Abraham, Avril, Mathis in that order
Campbell is very good, but I’m not sure how he’d do as a 4-3 DE. Jones is better as a DT. No chance in hell he’s second, though, definitely agree on that.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
34 isn't THAT old
Abraham is still a beast. There have been plenty of DE that have produced into their mid-30s.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
mathis is old and abraham is ancient
no ones gonna pony up big money for them
someone will for mincey though
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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 19, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Bet they both get more annually than Mincey
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's why you don't let the market set the price
Offer him a 4 year / 20 Mil with 12 guaranteed that is good until Free agency starts. Gene has to set the price that he wants to spend.
who is a better 4-3 end?
mario is going to be resigned
everybody else other than avril is old as dirt
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Not so sure about Williams
The dude is a 4-3 DE and could get a phenomenal payday outside of Houston and be able to play DE and not OLB in the 3-4
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hes gonna be franchised if he cant be resigned
i just dont see him in any other jersey then a texans one but more shocking things have happened in the nfl
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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 19, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
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by floridafalcons#63 on Jan 19, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I remember I wanted us to draft him so badly in 08
I think he would have fit perfectly in our 4-3.
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I did too
and they wouldn’t have traded the entire draft either
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 19, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
name a 300 pound 4-3 defensive end in the nfl today
cuz i cant think of one
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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 19, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I learned this from this site...
…weight doesn’t matter, it’s skill. Just because a guy is 340 lbs, doesn’t mean he’s a zero tech NT, he may be a 3 tech DT.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 19, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
then youd see a bunch of 300 pound de
but you dont. just like you dont see 240 pound corners and 280 pound linebackers
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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 19, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
I would rather throw the $$$ at Mario Williams or Cliff Avril. Mincey is a nice player, but he is not THAT valuable that he should be looking for a ton of money. Maybe a 3 year deal at no more than 5 or 6 mill a year.
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This is his first big contract coming off a breakout year
I doubt he settles for a short-term deal.
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How good...
is Avril at setting the point against the run? I wouldn’t mind us having a pure pass rusher on the team, just not to the point where we lose Mincey’s ability to set the edge on run plays. We’ve touched on this in our discussion about Mincey and JPP and I know pass rushing is much more important. I’ve also factored in how good our DT’s are at getting disruption on run plays and how good our LB’s are at filling their gaps, so it wouldn’t be a huge loss. But it’s a chance we could lose Roth and if we lost them both, I think that could be detrimental to our run defense. I think if were to get Avril and lose Mincey in the process, we’d have to resign Roth just so we don’t completely eliminate that element from our defensive end position.
Not only that, but Avril only had 8.5 sacks last year and, as you know, Mince had 8. So if Avril isn’t that good against the run, I’d rather we just keep Mincey.
2011 Detroit Lions 16 16 36 29 7 11.0 0 4 1 4 4.0 4T 1 6
2010 Detroit Lions 13 13 33 23 10 8.5 — 5 — — 0.0 — — 1
He had 8.5 in 2010, and 11 in 2011. 19.5 sacks in two seasons, and 6 force fumbles in one season is very good.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 19, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff...
and thanks for the correction, I misread the year he had 8.5 sacks. You’re right, 6 force fumbles in one year is very good.
I didn't know that.
That’s good to know though. I guess I thought he was because I remember him playing RDE more so than LDE and I recall him either standing the offensive lineman up, allowing a linebacker to get behind the line and make the play or blowing his man off the point of attack and getting in there to make the play himself frequently. I guess my memory failed me this time.
use my time machine...
and go back and grab John Henderson and Marcus Stroud… bring them back to the present (so they don’t age. Duh) and let them wreak havoc…
wait. hold on.
never mind.
my time machine is Jim Beam Black. damn it.
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Mincey was a solid player this year...
but it was his contract year. I say let him test the market
save your attitude i got one of my own
I get tired of the "Hometown discount" phrase. Pay him according to performance...
I would like Mincey back and hope he’s saisfied with the money he’ll surely get.
I hate pay for performance
Never works. No one gives money back when they suck
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