2012 NFL Free Agency: Is Mario Williams in Teal a Possibility?
Between the 2007-2010 seasons, Mario Williams racked up 43.5 sacks making him one of only six NFL pass rushers to accumulate over 40 sacks during that span (DeMarcus Ware, Jared Allen, John Abraham, James Harrison, Trent Cole and Williams. With a move to a 3-4, Williams became an outside linebacker and had no problem racking up five sacks in five games before a torn pectoral ended his year. If a player of his quality were to hit the open market, there's no doubt the demand for them would be high and they would receive a very large contract.
$22.9 million per year is too much for any team, though. That's the amount that the Houston Texans would have to pay Williams if they were to use the franchise tag on him. An amount that would likely make him the highest paid player in the NFL for the 2012 season and an amount that John McClain of the Houston Chronicle says the Texans "can't afford."
So now the Texans are faced with no other choice than to come to terms on a long-term deal with the former first overall pick before he officially becomes an unrestricted free agent on March 13, exactly 48 days from today. They must do so while also worrying about re-signing superstar running back Arian Foster and other expiring contracts such as G Mike Brisiel, TE Joel Dreessen, C Chris Meyers, among others. Which boils down to a very real possibility, if not likelihood, that Mario Williams will hit the free agent market in March.
Among the teams that could, or at least should be interested are the Jaguars. The Jaguars haven't had a player reach double-digits in sacks since Bobby McCray did so in 2006 and it's been since 2007 that a player other than Jeremy Mincey racked up more than five sacks. The need for a legitimate pass rusher has been a problem for a long time for the Jaguars and while Mincey had a breakout year of sorts, it still wasn't nearly as strong as the years of some of the elite pass rushers.
Mincey racked up five of his eight sacks during the 2011 season against the lowly Indianapolis Colts and while he was a presence in the 14 other games, he's simply not in the same tier as Mario Williams. Yet as the free agency period approaches, Mincey is going to be a free agent and is said to not be willing to take a hometown discount to stay in Jacksonville.
And who can blame him? He's played very well the last two seasons and has earned the paycheck that he has spent most of his life working and training for. I hope for his sake that he gets what he wants, but the Jaguars must evaluate what they are paying for.
If they are to re-sign Mincey it is doubtful that they would have the remaining resources to go after Williams and still be able to bring in an elite receiver. It seems that the most realistic scenario is that the team will have to choose between keeping Mincey in Jacksonville or going after a replacement, which could be more expensive.
There's no doubt that Williams will demand more money in free agency, but is the difference in money going to be as significant as the difference in level of play?
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If it is Mincey or Williams
no question Williams is worth the money. HOWEVER, this injury he is coming off worries me a lot. Might be worth it to keep Mincey and try really hard to hit on a guy in the draft.
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If we are thinking about Mario Williams coming off injury...
we might as well keep Kampman.
except
Kampman is washed up, even when healthy.
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I think a torn pectoral is way better than a torn ACL any day...
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A torn Pectoral is an extremely difficult injury to
Recover from without extremely long periods of rest and limited use. Rehabing torn muscle tissue and fibers is a tricky thing because of the location of the injury, the surgical procedure (if applicable), range of motion issues and the fact that its hard to function without using that particular group of muscles.
Tony Boselli was never really the same after recovering from this type of injury. The problem is as fast as the season ends, there is very little time to rest and rehab before OTA’S and mini camp kicks off and soon after training camp.
My guess is Mario will not be 100% by training camp and might not be ready until camp 2013. With this said, I would still sign him. He is one of the best pass rushing DE’s in the league and he’s still young.
by TCJagsFan on Jan 26, 2012 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dumervil recovered pretty nice from it.
Keep in mind your legs hold all of your body weight and are being worked every time you take a step. I am no doctor, but this is my rationalization. I had a leg injury in March 2010 and I am just now getting back to full strength.
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He is right.
INJURIES
Date Injury
Oct 15, 2002 Shoulder
Oct 15, 2002 Shoulder
Oct 09, 2002 Shoulder
Sep 25, 2002 Shoulder
Sep 18, 2002 Shoulder
Sep 11, 2002 Shoulder
Sep 04, 2002 Shoulder
Oct 22, 2001 Shoulder
Oct 17, 2001 Shoulder
Oct 07, 2001 Ankle
Oct 03, 2001 Shoulder
Sep 05, 2001 Knee
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/3136/injuries.html#ixzz1kahG2wss
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Boselli had shoulder and bicep issues ...
by TCJagsFan on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Correct … and if you read back, I said " Same TYPE of injury!"
by TCJagsFan on Jan 26, 2012 2:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol
Not even close to a comparable situation
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 25, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
All of the above
It’s the Mario Williams hate that Vic gave you isn’t it? Took me a long time to start appreciating the guy.
avril will cost a ton just as well
it probably comes down to mincey or him as well assuming you also want a top WR coming in.
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I think there's a pecking order for the FA DEs
Mario Williams
then Avril and Mathis
a few other guys
then Mincey
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No, I still want a FA WR.
If it’s impossible, keep Mince. Get a FA WR and draft Coples at #7 and get a WR in round 2. Coples HAS to be the guy though. We can’t afford to miss.
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True
But he also was able to consistently put pressure on opposing QBs. Remember the Ravens game? He probably would have had 4 or 5 sacks this season if we had LDE who could could generate pressure from that side. I’m not saying he should get a giant contract but people are using his 5 sacks vs. the Colts to seemingly discredit his performance this season. He deserves the credit he’s getting. He was great this season, sack totals shouldn’t solely define a DEs success.
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by kterr on Jan 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
We also should note
he’s always been pretty good against the Colts, even with Peyton back there. And as far as I know, we still play the Colts twice a year. And another thing to note, is that even this year, the Colts weren’t giving up a lot of sacks, they were about average despite how bad that offense was.
Mario and minced would be awesome! He’s been on my list of guys I want. Nicks,Bowe and super Mario come to jax!
by JAGNUG on Jan 25, 2012 3:59 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Mincey may be as good as gone
I feel like he thinks he’s worth more than he really is. He wants a big payday and I don’t see it happening. I see us going after Mario Williams or Cliff Avril.
That music video
ruined Mincey’s shot at a big contract…
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???
Nothing wrong with outside interests. There’s always a need for a DE who you think is primed for a few good years. Personally, I think he’s going to do like WIlford and take a deal from someone who will overpay.
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but that video showed his cons...
…he doesn’t show effort, looks bored on the field, and doesn’t have a high motor :p
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 25, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
And any GM worth a shit is going to go solely off the video to base his decision
Like I said, some team is going to overpay. Hell, maybe Detroit loses Avril to FA and picks up Mincey as they have a few Ex Jags on their roster as is.
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lol
I think he’ll walk, if I was Gene I’d say 4 Year 24 Mill is tops, nothing higher.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 25, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
if he gets a big money deal elsewhere, I'm all for it
if he gets one here, I don’t know.
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Thats more than I would be willing to pay him
I’d go about 3 years 15 million I don’t think he’s worth much more.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 25, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Mark my Words!!
FA: DE Mathis, WR Jackson, WR Douglas
Draft: 1st: DE Quinton Colpes
2nd: TE Allen
TE?
Please tell me you’re kidding
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Allen might be as talented as Lewis in the receiving game
not the same kind of blocker but the two of them could be a nice weapon to have.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 25, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
With
Our current needs, a tight end in the second seems ludicrous. And Smith is a needs based drafter, no matter what he likes to say
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by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Right
Because you’re responsible for the picks right?
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No
I’m just saying thats the best philosophy and that the needs and bap have kind of lined up for the Jags in his tenure so far.
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by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 26, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know which Jackson you're talking about
But mark my words, neither Vincent nor DeSean will be signed by the Jaguars.
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Even Though
I know it won’t happen, I cling to the idea of Desean in teal.
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I like Desean
i think we dont gain a number on wr we just get another mike thomas i like mike but he is not a numer one he is a slot
Marquez
Is the best FA WR. Would love to see that dude in teal
by JohnnyBiceps on Jan 27, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Marquez?
do you mean Marques Colston?
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 27, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Clemson producing some talent these days. Allen is big and has great hands. If the reciever we want isn’t around in the second, I think Allen is the next best thing.
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Clemson producing some talent these days. Allen is big and has great hands. If the reciever we want isn’t around in the second, I think Allen is the next best thing.
by mattarne on Jan 25, 2012 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Williams > Avril > Mathis> Mincey
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by theMAGICman on Jan 25, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Williams > Avril > Mathis > Abraham > Campbell > maybe Mincey
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 25, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
that's a by price greater than, correct? (as well as skill level.
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I was going by skill
I’m just glad so many people appear to be realists about Mincey because as Jag fans; we have been so starved for sacks that we could look at 8 sacks and it would be too easy to proclaim him as the next Tony Brackens.
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by theMAGICman on Jan 25, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
does any of our new staff have connections to him via texans or college?
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Williams would be the choice, obviously
That whole “hometown discount” thing rubbed me the wrong way with Mincey. He isn’t going to be making a huge amount of money anywhere so why does he think they would need a discount.. kinda makes me wonder if he thinks he is worth more than he is.
But anyway, I’d want them to go after Williams, I think that Knighton and Alualu will come back strong next year and having Williams would make a D-line a strength, regardless of who ever ends up starting on the other side.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 25, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions
I think we as a fan base
underestimate what Mincey will garner in FA. Keep in mind he has few loyalties to this team, with Weaver and JDR gone. Not to mention this team hasn’t been a perennial winner, which he might want to persue. Also, he may have a better situation to put up more stats, in a different defense.
I don't underestimate that he may get some money..
but I can’t see him being anywhere above 4 or 5 mil a year. I think he was already in a great situation to put up stats since the two DTs garner the majority of the attention from opposing O-lines.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 25, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Money wont be an issue
We have the most free cap space and a new owner who’s basically said that we are going to spend up to the cap limit. Mario may command a monster contract but based on his career performance, he’d be worth every penny. The Jags would be crazy to not even make him an offer.
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by kterr on Jan 25, 2012 4:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I have reservations against spending of a high priced
DE free agent. Only because I think we have the worst luck in the NFL when it comes to free agents and I would hate getting stuck with a guy who sucks after getting paid. I kind of just want the Jags take Couples if available and sign FA WRs because none of the ones out there are worth what Williams will want. JMO
Mincey will test the free agent waters ... But,
He will find that even though the stats he put up was tops for a mediocre Jags team. Even though he’s steadly gotten better over the past few years, he’s just a journeyman and will be humbled very quickly.
My guess is he will be begging for a contract by the beginning of Training Camp. I hope the team signs a top FA at DE but, I would like to see Mincey back with the Jags and continuing to improve.
by TCJagsFan on Jan 25, 2012 5:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I really don't understand why we are discussing this.
He’ll never make it to free agency. If he does then there is a reason the Texans stink every year.
Also true
Connor Barwin: 11.5 sacks 47 tackles
Brooks Reed: 6 sacks 45 tackles
Both of these guys are young and only going to get better.
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williams had 4 sacks in 5 games
at a position he never played before. hes a demarcus ware type talent. you dont let that walk because brooks reed played pretty well
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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 26, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
They have several other players to re-sign.
They did fine w/o Mario. Don’t forget Arian Foster is fixing to get PAID!
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I would let him walk...AND...
if the Texans stink every year; I don’t want to hear what we are every year.
if he makes it free agency
that means they just do not want to pay a guy coming off a pretty substantial injury 20+ million bucks. not sure how that explains the Texans sucking.
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The reason its being brought up is
that there were reports today the Texans have decided using the franchise tag on Williams will not be an option. That means Williams will most likely hit the open market.
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I'm just wondering
how can a franchise tag make anyone the highest paid player??? By definition there has to be at least 1 player with a higher salary because the franchise tag is worth and the average of the top 5 salaries at the said player’s position.
I thought it was the average of the top 5 paid players at his position
by amujic32 on Jan 25, 2012 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A Mario and Coples combo would be straight nasty. IF Coples plays as good as he had this week.
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no chance
he looks as good against NFL OL. He might be good, but I think it will be a minute. I’m not feeling a JPP type year from him.
JPP didn't have a good year until year 2
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 26, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
JPP was the #3 guy last year. he started no games and did not play all that much. he still managed to put up 30 tackles and 4.5 sacks. Having those numbers and still being behind guys like Tuck and Osi makes for a good rookie season.
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I agree its good for a rookie season
But I’m sure he was talking about this year not last year
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 26, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
You know...
they built their team off of our roster, and even though they got burned by the Boselli pick in the expansion draft, they have always seemed to get the best of us. I, for one, would have no problem snaking one of their defensive cornerstones away!
save your attitude i got one of my own
Sign Mario
If we sign roth and mincey that would be around 10 million so we should go ahead and spend that money on a stud. draft couples and even if he bust we still have a great de and if he is good then our DL will be nasty
as far as I can tell...
The franchise tag for DEs are down to 10.6 million from 13 million…
by jagzfan4life on Jan 25, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
The franchise tag requires that the player it is used on gets a raise
Since he made about $18 million in 2011, the tag can’t be used to lower his salary which is what averaging the top 5 DE’s pay would do.
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by Adam Stites on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
That's right
Putting it that way, he’s definitely not getting franchised and will likely test the FA waters as he knows the Texans have no leverage.
kampman is done, then Mathis might be willing to take a home town discount saying he wants to finish his career, which may only be for a little longer, in Jacksonville. Plus, every receiver, with the exception of Thomas and Shorts, will probably be gone. SO all those going with being on of the few teams thats got a lot to get to to reach minimum cap i think we could afford him and Mincey. Here is the bigger question, and i know I’m going to be criticized for even thinking of this pipe dream but i don’t care. What about Payton. Yes Payton, if the colts let him go he will want to go somewhere he can win his 2nd ring and with the risk of being hurt again he might be willing to lower that big old contract of his. Then you have a top 10 defense that can help get him the ball and you’ve got plenty of receivers that would be willing to come and play with him, and who else better for Gabbert to learn from than the best, he isn’t Andrew Luck and won’t threaten Payton’s playing. And as a bonus he gets to make Indy regret letting him go, assuming he is let go. As much of a Fantasy as that is with Payton at the helm and some new Receivers our offense is balanced, either you make Manning beat you by stacking the box to stop MJD, or you let MJD clobber you by going into nickel and dime packages to try and stop Payton, and thats the other thing, in Jacksonville he would have a running game with MJD, something he didn’t have in Indy for the most part since Faulk left. Now besides the question of who is the face of the franchise and who’s team it is, MJD’s or Mannning’s thats going to have to be figured out. Yes i already know its a pipe dream and a highly improbable, the only thing with that is that bringing in Payton you would have just enough for an Elite recover and a good #2 possibly pending on how Payton sees the possibly of one more injury and he is done. Sometimes you have to think outside the box though so ideas as outrageous as this might be you never know what will happen.
by only jags fan in orange on Jan 25, 2012 8:51 PM EST reply actions
PLEASE USE PARAGRAPHS AND CAPITALIZATION
this is extremely hard to read!!
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did not even notice he did
had a tough time concentrating on the point given the lack of separating into paragraphs and a half ass effort at formatting
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 25, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
did not even get that for to notice it
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AHHH!!!
its a Block of Words!! Save your eyes, Run!
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 25, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
End of the world
Wouldn’t be the end of the world if we didn’t get Mario Williams. I think the Jags could spend less on a guy like Avril or Robert Mathis, & draft Coples 7th overall.
Although id love Williams in teal, there are plenty of options the Jags could go if he signs somewhere else.
by jagzman04 on Jan 25, 2012 11:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm thinking Cliff Avril
I can see Gene going after Cliff Avril over Mario. Cliff Avril isn’t going to come cheap, but I’m expecting Mario Williams, given the demand for quality pass rushers, to garner blockbuster-type contract offers. Offers that Gene Smith will deem are beyond his calculated value (like Nnamdi from last year). I don’t see Gene Smith getting into any high-profile bidding wars.
Realistically I think they’ll make strong plays for Cliff Avril, Marques Colston (or Dwayne Bowe), and probably Harry Douglas. Probably some less-sexy OL/DL and secondary signings. And they’ll probably retain either Mincey or Roth, but probably not both. (Or maybe we’ll stockpile and rotate quality DE’s like the Giants do?)
If they sign Williams early...
I think it could influence other free agents to consider the Jags. Off the subject, just curious, of the recently hired NFL coaches, who would you take for sure above Mularkey?
OK so why can’t we do either one say we get two top Defensive free agents and either draft the best wide receiver in the draft at number 7 or we could go D-linemen and then just load up with wide outs in free agency! So say we get Dwayne Bowe, Harry douglas and either draft Alshon Jeffery why not go after Mario williams and Avril both? if not get at least one of those guys and Draft a few wideouts! Mr KHAN has made it perfectly clear that our team needs wideouts!
by jaguarsfan3030 on Jan 26, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions
Mario's great
But I hear he’s real arrogant.
by Still Blue on Jan 26, 2012 12:06 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Yeah possibly true so i say we take a shot on Avril and maybe get a bad ass wide out
by jaguarsfan3030 on Jan 26, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
He's not going anywhere
He likes his arrogant city andd tram just fine. Forget DEs, what you need is QB…
by Still Blue on Jan 26, 2012 1:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Damn drid app
That should be “team” not tram
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And you also meant DROID, Not Drid, right?
by Jags85 on Jan 26, 2012 4:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jags do need a QB
luckily he is on their roster already and goes by the name Blaine Gabbert
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i could not care less
if he is enormusly talented, which he is.
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"Whoa there, motherf**ker!"
Goldilocks shrieked at the big, bad roid head trying to take yet another cheapshot.
That coming from a Texans' fan is hilarious!
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 26, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Our 3rd string QB is better
Than your Goldilocks.
by Still Blue on Jan 27, 2012 11:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
or he has a supporting cast around him
I would have loved to see Yates throwing to Chastin West and Jarrett DIllard as his #1 and #2 WRs
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 27, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
That had nothing to do with my comment
but.. to your point.. are you sure? His supporting cast is significantly better, I mean Gabbert doesn’t have an Andre Johnson to throw to. And Gabbert certainly didn’t throw 3 picks against B-more, even had Lewis drop 2 touchdowns and still came out with a W.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 27, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hell no
He looked halfway decent in a great system, with good weapons at WR, RB, and most important great OL and a top defense. But he threw all of 3 TD’s in 6 games, while Gabbert with a much worse OL and a much much worse WR group threw 12 TD’s in his 14 starts…..O yeah, Yates is better than Gabbert.
Yeah I would hate...
for an arrogant SOB to be getting 15 sacks a year for the Jags!
Lol he can be arrogant all he wants if he helps our Jags get 10 plus sacks a year and Mincey gets like 10 dude we be kicking major ass!
by jaguarsfan3030 on Jan 26, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions
Interesting
Would give us a serious boost on the defensive side. It would be a statement signing if Shad pulls it off. But I think our priority should be a serious WR.
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