Another Jaguars Mock Offseason
by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 4:35 PM EST
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Coaching Staff is already set.
Free Agents:
Cliff Avril DE DET - 5 years, 32 Mill, 12 Mill guarenteed(Similar to the contract Ray Edwards received last season)
Chris Redman QB ATL - 2 years, 6 Mill
Reggie Wayne WR IND - 3 years, 23 Mill, 8 Mill guarenteed(based off Sidney Rice's contract last season)
Robert Meachem WR NO - 4 years, 20 Mill, 7 Mill guarenteed
Harry Douglas WR ATL - 3 years, 11 Mill
Lee Evans WR BAL - 2 years 7 Mill(I know he's under contract, but will likely be released)
Brandon Carr CB KC - 6 Years 40 Mill
Draft:
1. Riley Reiff OTIowa
2. Brian Quick WR Appalachian State
Trade: Jaguars trade 3rd round pick and Mike Thomas for Broncos 2nd round pick.
2. Vinny Curry DE Marshall
4. Isaiah Pead RB Cincinatti
5. Ladarius Green TE UL Lafayette
6. Dwight Bentley CB UL Lafayette
Offense:
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Quarterback: Blaine Gabbert, Chris Redman
Running back: Maurice Jones-Drew, Rashad Jennings, Isaiah Pead
Full back: Greg Jones, Montell Owens, Brock Bolen
Wide Receiver: Reggie Wayne, Robert Meachem, Harry Douglas, Lee Evans, Brian Quick, Cecil Shorts III
Tight End: Marcedes Lewis, Zach Miller, Ladarius Green
Left Tackle: Eugene Monroe, Cameron Bradfield
Left Guard: Eben Britton, Will Rackley
Center: Brad Meester, John Estes
Right Guard: Uche Nwaneri, Kevin Haslam
Right Tackle: Riley Reiff, Guy Whimper
Defense:
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Defensive End: Matt Roth, Vinny Curry, John Chick
Defensive Tackle: Tyson Alualu, Leger Douzable
Nose Tackle: Terrance Knighton, CJ Mosley
Defensive End: Cliff Avril, Austen Lane
Outside Linebacker: Clint Session, Kyle Bosworth
Middle Linebacker: Paul Posluszny, Russell Allen
Outside Linebacker: Daryl Smith
Cornerback: Derek Cox, Drew Coleman, Dwight Bentley
Free Safety: Dwight Lowery, Rod Issac
Strong Safety: Dawan Landry, Chris Prosinski
Cornerback: Brandon Carr, William Middleton
Special Teams:
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Kicker: Josh Scobee
Punter: Spencer Lanning
Long Snapper: Jeremy Cain
I know it's a lot of free agents, but it puts us close to the cap, and trading Mike Thomas, not resiging Mathis or Mincey, freed up more cap space. This is a great set of free agents, and a great draft in my opinion.
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We now have a top receiving unit,
and at DE, Roth starts, but rotates with Curry, Chick, and Lane.
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very intresting
i would not bet rid of my young wr’s thomas dillard and taylor price Lee Evans i would pass on though i would go after V Jax for my number 1 wr i would keep Mincy as well. GO JAGS
mincey asks for too much
and evans is a veteran deep thrreat, him and wayne can both help the younger guys at receiver, and on the whole team.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Evans looked fantastic when he got the TD that wouldve sent them to the Super Bowl slapped out of his weak baby hands.
By a backup who has been cut twice, was signed in November, and was beaten on the play.
Pass on Evans.
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Technically I think
it should of been a catch, he had possession and two feet down.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Catch or no Catch
JPQ you can’t honestly tell me that you would rather have Dillard over Evans
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by theMAGICman on Jan 26, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Evans is easy to get
and is an established player. With Evans you know what your getting pretty much.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I would
Evans has peaked and spent most of this year injured. His best football is behind him. Dillard, there’s potential there. That’s kind of the problem with the Jaguars. Too much untapped potential on the team.
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I think that was Gene's thought process...
he was hoping for M80 and Marcedes to have a good year and just one of his young guys to break out. I get it, but it just didn’t work out.
i agree wayne can help our young wr’s i dont think evans can bring the same and i am not saying that because of his dropped catch againts the pats but he only had a few catches with the ravens. as for mincy why trade away a young de for a vet i say sign avril and mincy and keep the rotation we had before i love kampman but i think he is done.
What's the point of getting Wayne
to help the young WR’s if you’re going to release or trade nearly all of the young WR’s ?
This is my opinion
I want D Bowe and Colston resign mincey. I love riley reiff or quietin coples in the first round. Im not that huge on mario williams like some people are. Also we need some speed on ofeense what round is Chris Rainey projected to go in and who are some of the fastest people in this years draft .
It is a lot,
but the guy can still perform at a high level for that entire contract, he’ll earn it.-
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
thats 6.5 a year
was at about 8.3, now its at 7.3
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on how the contract is written
If we signed Wayne, I’d plan on getting 2 years out of him and then cutting him (unless he was performing at an extremely high level). So you write the contract for 3 years, and make the 3rd year worth more.
In this example, you’d pay him something like 8 mil up front, second year at 6 mil, 3rd year is worth 10 mil. It seems like most contracts for aging players are written that way. If they’re still playing at a high level, you pay them. If they’re not worth it after the second year, you ask them to restructure the contract or just cut bait and walk away.
NOPE
saty far away from Wayne. That money for a 33 year old is just ridiculous. I don’t know about Lee Evans either. I am also most definitely opposed to throwing big money at a CB.
As for the draft, I think there will be a better WR let alone a better player to take with the first second round selection. I also do not love the last 3 picks in the draft.
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When you get to the 4th round+
You get what you get
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 26, 2012 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think those last 3 rounds are fantastic...
…get a darren sproles type back, get another tight end, and a solid corner.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
of course you do
but what if they are all reaches? then I am not so sure they are great picks. I would rather look to fill similar positions with guys like Michael Egnew in the 4th, Chris Rainey in the 5th and Micah Pellerin in the 6th.
BAP and the last 3 rounds would certainly be different
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egnew will probably be gone by then
and rainey is injury prone, and supposedly has character concerns.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
egnew will probably be gone by then
I think both of your ULL guys will be gone byt the picks you have them at. I am not all that high on them and figure they will be severely overdrafted. As for Rainey, I am not really sure I care much when he can give you what he can from a late round spot. He is a better faster version of Sproles.
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Terrible
If we sign Reggie Wayne, I’ll be so pissed. we don’t need another Tory Holt signing….If we sign him for that much money I’ll be even more pissed. Id rather sign Pierre Garcon and I dont want him. I do however like your draft. Except Bently will go way before the 6th round
Changed Wayne's contract from 4 years 33 Mill
to 3 years 22 Mill
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
nvm 22*
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
doesn't make spending that kind of money on him any more worth it
this team does not need to throw 7+ million a year at a guy who is already 33 and on the downside of his career.
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torry holt got a contract worth 13 Mill
with incentives up to 20M, but he was clearly on his last legs, and wayne is still great. Pay the guy, and lets win a superbowl.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
I would regret giving that money to Holt
This team tried to veteran among youth experiment and it never turned out so great. Let u rebuild this WR group with youth and be fiscally responsible with signing free agents. just becuase we have the money, does not mean to throw 7 million a year at a 33 year old on the decline!!
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Mike Thomas
Isn’t worth a 2nd round pick. But I do think that’s a desirable roster sans Wayne. He’s just too old.
by KillJag on Jan 26, 2012 6:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like it but I have a few notes
Avril will be VERY hard to get. Lions want him back.
I just don’t see 4 FA WRs (2 or maybe 3, but that’s also unlikely). I see 2 FAs + 2 via draft (2nd and 4th round)
Also, Jags must keep cap space for next year, when players like Daryl Smith, Knighton, Derek Cox , Jennings and Britton will be FAs…
Draft I like the 1st pick (but I still want a downtrade if Claiborne isn’t there, and then pick Jeffery/Mercilus/Konz/Barron).
Would draft Sanu or Wright with the 2nd over Quick.
I would stay in the 3rd and pick Josh Norman
4th round give me Michael Egnew or A. J. Jenkins over Pead
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Jan 26, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions
I think
that Avril being from JAX, no income tax, and better weather, may sway him to come here. I know, but I thought a rebuilt receiving unit, for the most part, would be best. I think Britton can walk, but I do believe there will be enough to sign those players. I think Sanu is a top 25 pick now, and Wright will be taken in the 1st as well. And I like Pead, and I feel Egnew is gone.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
because if we draft Rieff
and Rackley develops into the guy we thought he’d be, where will Britton play? Maybe RG if Uche moved to C, but I doubt that.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
People on here always
want to move Uche to center but every time it’s mentioned on Jaguars.com, there’s another guy that’s mentioned as being groomed to for the position.
Uche is one of the best where he's at.
Put him in New England or Pitt, he’d be a perennial Pro Bowler
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Estes is the guy they are grooming to be the next Center
People don’t want to accept that because they don’t see him on the field but the reality is you hardly ever see a center unless he is starting. Uche is good where he is and once he gets a RT thats not a turnstile to play next to him, he could be a pro bowler.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 27, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Be realistic with Britton...
When he played did he perfrom to expectations? He’s out often so his availability has been an issue. Are his back problems over? I think he’s a backup for now.
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I was talking in reply to Zoltan. Britton can walk next season. As we’ll know what we have in Rieff.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 27, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
No you don't
You don’t know what you have in a player until they do it on the field.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 27, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
r u stupid?
at the end of the 2012 season…we’ll know what we’ll have in Rieff….walk next season means 2013 offseason.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 27, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Are you stupid?
You still don’t know what you have after one season
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 27, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SAID YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE UNTIL THEY DO IT ON THE FIELD
16 GAMES IS MORE THEN SIMPLY SEEING WHAT THEY DO ON THE FIELD.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 27, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
You still only have their rookie season to go on, with that logic, the Jags should go ahead and get rid of Gabbert since they “know what they have” as you say.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 28, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
We didn't go after Lee Evans last year that hard why would we sign him this offseason?
Im not 100% on the Free Agency other than Cliff Avril really stands out…I agree with the need for a veteran WR but Reggie Wayne is what 35 years old and Im not 100% sure he has 3 years left in him…Its easy to say he is still as good as ever when Peyton Manning is throwing to him, We don’t have Peyton Manning.
by StylezMcKoolaid on Jan 26, 2012 6:55 PM EST reply actions
Why would you give a 33 year old player a contract for 3 years?
Can’t see Lee Evans being signed either and I doubt he is released. I love the rest of the FAs.
I like the Draft too, except for the 4th.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 26, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions
you don't want a back on this team
who can come in and get 3 receptions a game and 2-3 carries a game? A darren sproles type of guy?
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Sproles got way more touches than that
And I would never draft a guy in the 4th to be a 3rd string guy. 4th rounders should be drafted to have a chance at starting or a solid back up career. We already have two RBs.
Sproles as in the type of back
his style of play. Not how NO uses him. I don’t care, when you have the best backs in the league, another one doesn’t hurt, after the first 3 picks, were free to adress depth. After this season, we can do that every round if we want. With Pead we go 60/30/10
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 26, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
We don't need to take carries away from MJD or Jennings
We need depth at many other positions. RB is the position we have arguably the best depth at. Address OL with that pick or defense.
Pead is not that type of back
and honestly, no, I would rather give those touches to Jennings
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 26, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Not bad
just we need to draft a CB, and If we got all 4 receivers from the FA it would be a gift from God
by TheonlyJagsfaninSD on Jan 27, 2012 9:37 AM EST reply actions
That projected WR group would be average in the NFL..
I don’t want Average, I want:
1.Bowe, Colston, or VJAX
2.Pierre Garcon, Stevie Johnson, Harry Douglas
and draft either:
Blackmon,Jefffery, Floyd, Wright, Mcnutt, Jones, or Sanu
here is my dream off-season:
Needs: CB (mathis gone), WR (3 new receivers needed), DE (let mincey walk), OL, Backup QB
FA:
QB: Chris Redman
WR: 1. Colston, Bowe, or vjax.
AND
2. Pierre Garcon, stevie johnson or Harry Douglas
DE: Cliff Avril
Draft:
1. CB Claiborne, kirkpatrick, or Jenkins (in that order)
2. WR McNutt, Jones, or Sanu
3. WR Quick or best C or best G
4. Best Available
5. Best Available
6. Punter
Still don't see the point in getting Chris Redman
Yeah there’s the whole “he’ll learn the system from the old guy” thing, but without a veteran backup last year, we were forced to start Gabbert earlier than was good for him.
I’d like to have at least a semi-competent QB backing up Gabbert in case Blaine gets hurt or something.
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1. Opinion on the rest?
2. Redman is familiar with Brat and Mularkey…he knows the system that’ll be implemented most likely. He’s better then McCown as well. While Gabbert is learning the system, and he already knowing the system, he can help Gabbert learn it. He can guide him. Redman may also be able to outplay Gabbert, although Gabbert will start anyway.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 28, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
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