Why all the love for Coples?
by bdk790 on Jan 28, 2012 9:56 AM EST
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Quinton Coples is projected by many mocks to be the Jaguars 7th pick int he draft. My simple question is why? What makes him an elite pass rusher, something that we don't have on our roster right now? 23.5 sacks in 4 college seasons is less then 6 per season.
Aside from his size, another plus is his ability to play interior line as well and rush form the interior. That sounds great, but don't we need an outside rush? Alualu and Knighton need a pass rusher on the outside, and Coples isn't that type of player.
Let's avoid Coples and address this need in Free Agency.
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Totally agree.
I said on a different post this guy just is not impressvie at all if you watch his games. He has the size you love but thats it.
It's a crystal ball business
and Coples ceiling is humongous!!! Remember Jason Pierre-Paul? Well, he only had one college season of production and a youtube video full of back-flips to justify him, and the Giants chose him based off his ceiling, and are currently far from regretting it. Well Coples has a higher celing than Pierre-Paul and on top of that, he also has 4 seasons of deceit/great production to justify him.
Not to mention with the new CBA, the price tag for that of a Premium DE is no where near what it use to be, so it’s not like you’re mortgaging your future. I’m not saying Colpes is all that, but I am saying with Coples high ceiling, cheaper CBA price tag, and the imperative need for an every down DE when running a 4-3 Defense, i’m saying we either pick Colpes if he’s available at 7, or trade back and recoup the value.
by youngnixx88788 on Jan 28, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions
there are 2 ways to look at this.
Coples has had 4 years in College at UNC and his production is not “great”. If he has a high ceiling, why didn’t he produce more and more throughout his college career?
Jason Pierre Paul was raw when he was drafted. His ceiling was high because he hadn’t learned the position yet he was athletic enough to compete.
Coples went backwards in production in college.. why is Coples ceiling high? Is it because he played at such a low level this past season?
Or you can look at: He was a two-year starter with fantastic production in his two seasons as a starter, getting 23.5 sacks in two years. His ceiling is high because of his natural physical ability.
Why isn’t Coples ceiling high?
17.5 sacks in his junior and senior season combined.
Julius Peppers had 16 in his sophomore year alone at UNC..
Coples had 10 sacks as a junior and 7.5 sacks as a senior. Coples ceiling is high because he is 6’6, not because of his production in his junior or senior season
So, his ceiling is high just because of his height?
…Alright. Sure.
Why isn’t it high? And 17.5 sacks in your only two seasons as a starter is nothing to scoff at. What Julius Peppers had doesn’t really matter, since Coples isn’t Peppers.
Going from 11 sacks as a junior to 7.5 sacks as a senior is impressive then we have 2 different opinions of who we like as defensive ends.
Julius Peppers, Jared Allen, Ware, Williams, Kerrigan, Watts, Tuck, Aldon Smith was first team all-american freshman, the list goes on and on.
Coples disappeared in college games on a regular basis, what is going to make to make him stand out in the pro’s? it’s not his pass rushing ability I know that
by bdk790 on Jan 28, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
JJ Watt was a tight end at Central Michigan his freshman year. Not only that, but Watt was never even first team all-american, so let’s continue this conversation when you’re not just completely making things up, alright?
oh really?
Julius Peppers, Jared Allen, Ware, Williams, Kerrigan, Watts, Tuck, Aldon Smith was first team all-american freshman, the list goes on and on.
Unless Watts is some real player I do not know, it is a typo and referring to JJ Watt
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That's poor grammar...
That’s all that proves lol
If your going for high ceiling
Go with Whitney Mercilies. Hes more pierre paul than coples and doesnt have motor issues.
A lot of it is the fact that there just aren't a lot of elite players in this draft
There are some very good ones… But theres about three or four elite players. That puts the Jags in a tough position because who can you take. It’s looking like it will either be an OT, Coples, or a WR. There just aren’t a lot of elite guys and Coples will be taken around where we are.
I agree Coples will be taken around where we are...
But what has he shown that makes us think he is an elite pass rusher?
Maybe he is a good everydown DE and if we had a pass rusher on the other side that’s great, but we don’t have that.
The Mocks have him going top 10, based off his size? Julius Peppers had 17 sacks as a sophomore at UNC.. Coples isn’t what we need
Depending on who's available
It might be possible to trade out of our spot. Not easy because there doesn’t seem to be 10 unquestionable Top 10 talents but if say RG3 fell to 7 it might be possible to trade out and get some more picks.
Otherwise it’s going to be a tough spot to pick in.
Agreed...
Even if we trade back, Coples production tells me he is not the guy to fix our DE need…
Whether we go OL or WR at number 7, just give me a guy who is going to produce and be a threat. Wright, Floyd jeffery at WR or Martin, Rieff at OL. trent Richardson if he falls..
I would like to go OT and then get a DE in the second
Either Mercillus or Curry would be great with a starting RT. We can get WRs in FA. Draft a WR in the third and another CB and we will be solid next year. The only thing I’m scared about in this draft is Gene going for another class of small school players. I’m not a fan of any of our last 3 picks from last season but hopefully they develop.
I would not take a WR or RB at 7 unless its Blackmon.
I really wouldn’t even take Blackmon because I don’t think he will be elite, but considering who is available and most likely the inability to trade down, he would be ok. I don’t want to overdraft a guy who is safe just so we can make sure we get value. We did that with a bunch of our draft picks and we don’t have a Pro Bowler yet out of our three years with Gene drafting.
If Blackmon was to fall to 7
and in Free agency we sign either bowe, colston, or vincent jackson our wide recievers would be
1. Bowe, Colston, or Jackson
2. Blackmon
3. Mike Thomas
that being said, there are good WR’s in round 2 that will be available. I just don’t want Coples, he is not an elite pass rusher
If nothing else
we could trade because of him. If Coples is working his way into our spot; we have a better chance to move down.
Aren’t you being a bit disingenuous by saying “only 23.5 sacks in 4 seasons”? He was a rotational player until 2010, his first year as a starter.
If his past season tells you all you need to know, what’s the previous season tell you? Nothing? Some of you guys are WAY over the top with stuff. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised when draft time hits. The ridiculousness happens every year.
Also, I’m not sure I’ve seen a single person call Coples an “elite” pass rusher.
If he is not an elite pass rusher
Why would we want him? Solid DE’s are a dime a dozen in the NFL. It’s Mario Williams, Jared Allen, Tuck, JPP, Ware, Wake, Hali, Mathis, Freeney’s of the world that make a difference.
I don’t want Coples for that reason, he isn’t an elite pass rusher and that’s what we need.
Alfie, we will find out soon enough. But If he isn’t an elite pass rusher, somebody who can get after the QB throughout the game, is it a guy we want with our 7th pick?
So, there are only two kinds of defensive ends. Elite and solid?
Come on now.
Also, he’s basically a carbon copy of Justin Tuck. Also, Tuck had 24.5 career sacks at Notre Dame. That’s not impressive at all, right?
We will see..
Coples had 7.5 sacks in his senior year.. 23.5 overall.
Tuck set a Notre Dame school record in Sacks his sophomore year.. Similar to what Julius Peppers did at UNC.
If you think he is a carbon copy of Justin Tuck, Where is the production on the field?
the guy has motor questions
There are so many other needs this team has and to risk this pick on a guy with work ethic questions and an unimpressive college career would be foolish. His prior season he also played defensive tackle mainly and we don’t really need another of those.
by JAGNUG on Jan 28, 2012 3:06 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
From watching highlight tapes (which aren't all-telling)
I found these highlights of Coples vs Missouri this year, it doesnt showcase much in pass rush but shows a good motor and good power moves in the run/pitch game. He seems to be very lackadaisical in getting set at the line and shows little burst. I dont think he lacks a motor, but rather he often lacks motivation which are very different things! But, Missouri rarely ran 5-step drop conventional passing plays giving few oppertunities to rush the passer and also is an offense which stretches and tired out the defense. Considering how highly touted this guy is Coples lacks much in terms of highlight tape.
By comparison I cant deny the excitement I get in terms of pass rushing from watching Whitney Mercilus tape. This tape must be taken with a grain of salt in comparing it to Coples vs Missouri because UCLA was doing a ton of 5-step drops in their game, giving lots of oppertunity to Mercilus. He shows alot better innitial burst then Coples and also has good bull rush power. He definitely doesnt have the strength that Coples has and will have in the running game, but I believe that finding a DE to play the run isnt a need for the team, with that said a liability in the run game is not something we need either. Pick your poison but I do not get excited by Coples and personally hope we go another direction in the first.
Not to mention
against UCLA he was playing OT’s that had no business playing that day if it wasn’t for a rash of injuries.
well there related
If you don’t have motivation you don’t have a good motor because you don’t care enough to try hard on every play.
by JAGNUG on Jan 28, 2012 4:04 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
hey dictator
You have to be motivated to work hard. Its impossible to have a good motor if you dont care. Just because you don’t agree with everything doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I’m sure every person on this site would Agree you can’t have a good motor when your not motivated.
by JAGNUG on Jan 29, 2012 8:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
having a good motor and using you good motor are different things
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yea
But how can you have a good motor when your not motivated. Read every article scouts and scouting sites have to say about this guy his motor/ motivation is in question. I mean if you want a guy who has those questions then I guess that’s fine but I don’t.
by JAGNUG on Jan 29, 2012 9:20 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
But how can you have a good motor when your not motivated.
A good motor is basically a physical trait that you either have or do not have. whether you are motivated or not only means whether you are using your motor or not.
"The dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price." -Vince Lombardi
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either way..
Coples has the “Ability”, but often disappears in games. Pass on that, give me a pot smoker over somebody who has questionable desire
seriously read what you just said
A motor is a physical trait. So anyone with this god given trait can just can round all day long and play pro football at a high level because they are born with it?
by JAGNUG on Jan 29, 2012 9:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
wrong
that is where other skills and motivation come into the picture. her have been players with all the talent but none of the drive and they sucked.
Success in the NFL is a combination of physical talent and work ethic.
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Dictator?
It’s not impossible to have a good motor if you don’t care. THEY ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS. It’s not a thing of agreeing, it’s a thing of being just flat out wrong.
well
Name me a player who has a good motor who isn’t motivated.
by JAGNUG on Jan 29, 2012 10:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
but he doesn't
Give 100 percent every down aka high motor.
by JAGNUG on Jan 29, 2012 10:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't get it?
Your clueless.
by JAGNUG on Jan 29, 2012 11:06 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
wrong
Alfie is right on this and you just do not want to accept it. giving 100% every down is not having a high motor. THAT is motivation and work ethic.
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you don't know what high motor is then
It is giving it all on every play throughout the game and you have to be motivated to do so.
by JAGNUG on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
maybe on a video game
since it would be kind of hard to throw in motivation as a real aspect of a player in a video game.
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He's right though.
Having a high motor does mean that you give your all on every play. If being motivated, having a good work ethic and having a good motor are tied together in any way can be argued all day. They are all intrinsic qualities, so chances are, they all could have something to do with one another. Yet at the same time, maybe not. But really, who knows?
Alfie
his motivation and motor is a question.. look at all the reports, ask some Tar Heel alumni, they will tell you they have doubts about him. I don’t know why you are so high on this guy.
How about I just got done spending a week around NFL scouts from all 32 teams?
How about I talked to a former teammate of his?
Is that good enough, or should I ask fans about him?
lol
a teammate? what is the teammate going to say bad about a buddy and a friend?
and NFL Scouts? They aren’t gonna tell you anything worth anything at this stage. Watch the game tape. what he did in a week at senior bowl is 1 week. His strength isn’t rushing the passer and that;s what this team needs..
We shall see..
Idk if he should be the pick at 7 or not
He has great size and natural ability but I don’t see the speed or initial burst from him. His ceiling is high though, so maybe he could be the pick.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 28, 2012 4:15 PM EST reply actions
why is his ceiling high? You dont see the speed or initial burst. He is a senoir it’s not like he is a sophomore.
Is his ceiling high because he is 6’6? or because he is in the top 10 on all these mock drafts?
If he isn’t an elite pass rusher in this league, we don’t need him
Because he is extremely athletic and has a natural ability to rush
thats why his ceiling is high, even though he doesn’t have that burst, he could be effective using his power and agility. And its very hard to tell who will be an elite pass rusher in the draft, I’m sure no one was saying to themselves, hey that Dumervil guy is gonna be a stud, its all based on potential
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 29, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Natural ability to rush?
Coples? he dissappears in games constantly
Most scouts have the same questions about him,
Expect him to drop closer to the draft.
Ask some alumni
Tar Heel fans themselves have told me they question his motor and motivation. They also tell me they don’t want the Jags to draft him because he isn’t a pass rusher like we need.
Coples compared to Richard Seymour
He’s no Freeney, he’s no Peppers. When I heard a comparison to DE Richard Seymour I thought that was accurate. He’s an every down defensive lineman that is just a specimen. 6’6, 281 lbs you guys. Athletic ability, strength, and enough quickness to get the job done. He’s like an all-in-one DE, why wouldn’t we want that on defense for years to come?
Draft him at 7 if he’s there Jaguars.
I don't know about Seymour
He doesn’t have his nastiness. He has prototypical size, can shift inside in packages, not only a pass rusher he seals the edge, stops the run,good first step . He’s just a solid complete DE who is a bit lazy and comes from a flawed programme.
BTW I heard his production fell off in his senior year from scheming against him and double teams.
What could of happened; did.
Richard Seymour???
And when coples has 20 sacks in 4 years as a Jaguar will we be happy? I won’t be
20 sacks in 4 years is good
If he seals the edge and stops the run.
Derrick Harvey would still be starting here if he got 20 sacks in 4 years cause he could do the first two things.
What could of happened; did.
Mullayo
I want 10 sacks a year from the edge. Mario, Ware, jared allen, babin, mathis, freeney, jason taylor, watt, aldon smith, tuck, JPP.
That is what we have been lacking on this team, a pass rusher. 7.5 sacks his senior year and 23 sacks in a college career tells me he isn’t what this team needs.
JJ Watt had 5.5 sacks last year. Why do you keep responding with completely made up information?
Mario Williams had 23.5 sacks in his college career, just like Coples. You wouldn’t have drafted him either, though.
Please, stop responding until you actually know what you’re talking about.
JJ Watts
did not play DE for 4 years, he still is learning the position. JJ watts like JPP had alot of rooom for improvement
Mario had 14.5 sacks his Junior season.
Coples was a senior this past season, and never had a high sack total in any year
...
Coples…never had a high sack total in any year
10 sacks in 2010. Try again.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 29, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Again, please stop responding until you actually know what you’re talking about. Coples had a double digit sack year in 2010 playing all over the defensive line.
If your argument is Watt and JPP didn’t play DE for four years and have room for improvement… NEITHER DID COPLES.
Why does Coples NOT have room for improvement?
What you’re saying is just getting more and more nonsensical.
I was just gonna point out Mario Williams
in fact Coples is somewhat similar to Williams. A poor man’s version, but good nonetheless.
I love how JPP has had one great year..
and we are putting him in that elite class and Smith for that matter
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 29, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
BDk790
I agree he isn’t ideal and is prbably lazy etc. but he may be BPA especially if we lose Mincey, Roth in FA and get multiple WRs like a lot are hoping.
I’ve just done a mock draft and he was the best player in a PON at 7 considering DAKpatrick is out..
Not as many pass rushers this year and plenty of WRs,CBs etc.
What could of happened; did.
When did I say anybody was a 4 year starter?
Couples didn’t have a standout year, and I don’t think his strength is what we need on this team. We need a pass rusher!
My opinion, you can have your own. I don’t see the upside in sacks, the motivation, the stats. Address the need in free agency and move on
I don't think...
that he’s worth the 7th pick in the draft but people can believe what they want. Here are 4 links that touch on this whole motivation/motor discussion.
http://profootball.scout.com/2/1153140.html
http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/quintoncoples.html
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DE/Quinton-Coples.php
http://draftace.com/blog/2011/11/19/quinton-coples-scouting-report/
After reading these, I can see him going to a team with strong leadership such as the Ravens. I just don’t want him to be a Jaguar. I think that pick could be spent better elsewhere.
so your not a random guy
Your opinions are fact I guess.
by JAGNUG on Jan 29, 2012 8:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Interesting fact...
According to his UNC player page, Coples actually played defensive tackle in 2010. Not making any kind of points…just thought it was interesting.
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I was actually watching some tape of him from 2010
and it seems he was lining up inside a lot more than outside, and frankly I was unimpressed with him on the inside. The few plays I did see him line up as a DE, he looked quite good.
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already pointed that out
Read above
by JAGNUG on Jan 29, 2012 8:31 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Dang guys
Alfie just got done watching him live for a week and talking to scouts about him. He’s seen first hand how good Coples has been this week. Coples is top 10 talent and has a motor. His motivation is maybe in ? but the 2 are unrelated. Everyone gets caught up in sack numbers and that’s wrong. I bet most of you didn’t no he played DT his senior season because his team has NO depth. He had 10 sacks his junior season when he played his actual position. People are obsessed with sacks, how about playing the position right and stopping the run as well? Coples has a lot of talent and I would he happy picking him at 10.
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by Thunder64 on Jan 29, 2012 8:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
at 7 my bad
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by Thunder64 on Jan 29, 2012 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
glad you figured out where the jags picked
So we need another dt? And I guess the senior bowl means more than the actual games?
by JAGNUG on Jan 29, 2012 9:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He did have a heck of a game in the Senior Bowl
But I get what your saying, the practice is not really all that telling because he should dominate 1-on-1s and almost all the DLinemen won their 1-on-1s. Watching his tape you see a laziness that is not all that enticing and he has a poor first step, thats what I see. Alfie’s ear to the scouts and players is something I do not have access to and I only have YouTube to watch the kid
He played DE mostly his junior season guys when he had 10 sacks
I am not making excuses for his laziness but to say he isn’t talented is purely wrong.
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by Thunder64 on Jan 29, 2012 10:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2010 was his junior year, and 2010 was when he was playing DT
so the 10 sacks were as a DT, is this the case?
No biggie
It looks like they moved around Coples quite a bit.
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by Thunder64 on Jan 29, 2012 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The guy is 6’6 of course he is gonna look good in drills. Pop in the tape and watch a game. he disappears!!
What does being 6'6 have to do with looking good in drills?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 29, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
they are only drills!!!
pop in the game tape..
poof, he disappears
Like, the Senior Bowl? He disappeared there?
Disappearing doesn’t equal not getting sacks. You have to actually know what you’re looking for when watching “tape”. Stats aren’t what you look for.
That’d be nice… Did the scouts say anything about his production concerns? That aside with what my eyes were telling me is what made me start this post in the first place.
No, they’re not concerned with the drop off in production because they know the reasons why. Again, stats don’t mean a lot to NFL scouts.
Agreed.
If scouts were worried about stats, they’d just stay home and read about these guys. The eye test works well. And Coples has the IT to be a great DE. Will his work ethic hinder that, we don’t know but I’d say the shot is worth taking especially if it adds sacks to our total…
by Kyle Lipsey on Jan 30, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I am 100% positive that scouts pay attention to the stats they put up in college. it factors into the decisions they make.
They may not mean a lot, but the drop in production to me is directly correlated with what his efforts were like this past year. To me, those efforts would concern me and i’m suprised those scouts don’t have these same concerns.
His comment probably is pertaining to his physical body type
Long, strong and athletic should mean you will dominate non-elite tackles
Harvey was long, strong, and athletic and..
dominated no one, at any time
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I will go watch tape again tommorow
I have seen him disappear but I’m lookin at his pure talent. All of the Coples lovers acknowledge his lack of motivation but at 7 he has a great upside. I’m not sold on him entirely either but right now hes my pick. There is a lot of draft events to go and the pick could easily change.
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by Thunder64 on Jan 29, 2012 10:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont think anyone disagrees on his natural talent and potential
and I agree there is no way he is not in the conversation at 7 some people are just more strongly opinioned about hypotheticals 3 months in advance of the actual moment of truth
I don't think he is garbage
He could have a successful career with a good DE on the opposite side of him. The Jags need that pass rusher we have been lacking..
His versatility is nice, but picking at 7 the chance of bust outways the upside he has..
if you want upside at de
Go Whitney merciless
by JAGNUG on Jan 29, 2012 10:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Like who? No WR is worth the pick at 7, unless we trade back. Get a Right Tackle at 7 maybe. Still, DE is still a need. Combine that with BAP, and you select Coples.
you wouldnt want Trent Richardson??
Trent and MJD in the backfield? that’d be a nice addition
kendall Wright? Floyd?
Just because blackmon will be gone doesn;t mean we couldnt go offense.
Martin, Rieff, trent, Floyd, Wright. There are more then the top 6 players picked in the draft… we just need to find them
The only offensive players at 7 that are worth it
Are Reiff and Martin. I can see the Jags taking either one but will they really give Gabbert a rookie OT? I am a fan of gettin a FA OT and going D the first pick with some mid round WRs in a class with huge depth.
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by Thunder64 on Jan 30, 2012 7:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
^assuming Luck Griffin and Kalil are gone
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by Thunder64 on Jan 30, 2012 7:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kendall Wright? Michael Flpyd? Trent Richardson?
along with OL… there will be ProBOWL offensive players in this draft that fall past number 6. We need to find them.
No for both WR and Richardson is the only other one I would consider
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by Thunder64 on Jan 30, 2012 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Senior Bowl
He looked pretty good at the Senior Bowl I thought. I only watched a lil bit of it but he was in the backfield on every play. One play in particular he had a near sack which forced a quick dumpoff in which a teammate from UNC (LB whos name escapes me) made a stop on the RB at the line…
I know a lot of people thinks he takes plays off and that seems to be his knock… however, at the NFL level with a rookie wage scale I wouldn’t mind us grabbing Coples at 7 or trading back and getting him.
But if we pass I’ll be OK with it as long as we nab a nice FA.
I’ve heard people wanting us to get Ingram in the 2nd… but isn’t he more fit for OLB 3-4?
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