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2012 NFL Mock Draft: Who do the Jaguars take?

It's the Monday after the 2012 Senior Bowl, so that means we're due for another fresh 2012 NFL Mock Draft from SB Nation. The Jacksonville Jaguars picks in mock drafts have been all over the place, from offensive lineman to cornerbacks to wide receivers. This next pick done by Ryan Van Bibber is a pick I like, but I'm not sure if it's a selection the Jaguars will pull the trigger on. What happens in free agency however will obviously have a big impact on who the Jaguars draft.

Hit the jump to see who the Jaguars pick.

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7. Jacksonville Jaguars, Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina

Coples was the big winner at the Senior Bowl this week. He salvaged his draft stock after a mediocre senior season, and looks like the best pass rusher in the draft. Jacksonville needs help all over the roster, but pass rushers are at a premium. If they can keep Jeremy Mincey from walking away in free agency, the addition of Coples gives the Jaguars a nice one-two punch along their defensive line.

Van Bibber makes an excellent point about pairing Mincey at RDE and Coples at LDE. This would give the Jaguars a relatively young and versatile defensive line.

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Couples, Pot roast, Alualu, Mario Williams. Looks scary to me.

by Jags24_7 on Jan 30, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Coples, Alualu, Mincey, and Super Mario is even scarier

imagine those guys on 3 and longs.

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by duuuvaaalll on Jan 30, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Alualu has done so as well

If Pot Roast plays, ahem, hungry, then look out. He’s bucking for a contract.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So why not Alualu, Knighton, Mario, and Coples?

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by T.Holmes on Jan 30, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes…. I like this a lot. I’m getting a feeling Mincey won’t be back.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

only good against the colts.

get avril or mario, we’ll finally stop worrying about getting pressure

by UCLAllDay on Jan 30, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

To say he's only good against Indy is not fair

He’s a disruptor, he just seldom gets home. He played very well last year, but the stats won’t show it.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

+1. Mincey is pretty good

People forget that Sacks is less than half the battle. If I’m not mistaken he’s lead the Jag’s in QB pressures the past 2 seasons. Getting pressure, Most of the time, is just as if not more effective. He has a nasty side to him with a non-stop, relentless motor to boot, he has good pursuit and almost always goes for the strip. The negative is he’s not great against the run. I’d love to keep him but if a deal can’t be struck and Some How, Some Way the Jag’s are able to sign Williams thats not a bad swap

by Jags85 on Jan 30, 2012 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He's pretty good...

against the run. He might not always shed his block fast enough to get in on the play but more times than not, he’ll stand his guy up allow someone to get in position to make the tackle.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood.

I think that’s what I like most about Mincey. He’s not great at any particular thing, but he’s good at everything.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Alfie, you like Coples?

I have been reading you all wrong. All of your Senior Bowl comments made me think you hated him. When you said you liked the pick; I could have sworn it was going to be trading up for Blackmon…

by CheapSeat on Jan 30, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

That'd be the idea for me

It seems like people act like if we re-sign Mincey then Mario Williams is out the picture. Money and cap space is not an issue for us, so why couldn’t we have both. This is a passing league and the only way to defend against it is to rush the passer; which you need good DE to do.

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by duuuvaaalll on Jan 30, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the same thing

My only question is IF those signings were to happen could we still afford Two WR’s (1 #1 & 1 #2)?

by Jags85 on Jan 30, 2012 3:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes

If one of those two WRs are a draft pick we could do one big FA DE and one big FA WR.

We could sign Mario, resign Mincey, Sign Manningham draft Reiff or Martin at 7, draft a Big reciever in RD 2 draft Egnew in the 3rd. Resign all our DBs, let Roth walk, sign depth in round 4, 5, and and punter in 7.

and we’re still well under cap. If I missed anyone, I guess I figure they could be replaced easily in cheap FA or later rounds of the draft.

Unless I’m forgetting Scobee… if he is a FA, he must be resigned… imo, he is one of our MVPs.

by Kyle Lipsey on Jan 31, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

"Jacksonville needs help all over the roster"

We do? Sounds like Van Bibber isn’t all that familiar with the roster as a whole. I honestly don’t think Coples will be a Jaguar this upcoming season either. Lastly, I personally don’t believe that free agency has much of an effect on Gene’s draft board.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Yes we do..

We need a DE, possibly 2. We need WRs (as in multiple), we need a CB, we need a RT, we need a G/C.

by GRSJags on Jan 30, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No, we don't.

We don’t NEED a CB or a G/G. Those are perceived needs by some fans, not necessities. The only position of need I’d agree with is the receiver position. The only way we’ll need a defensive end is if Mincey and/or Roth isn’t resigned. And even if we had needs at those position, that doesn’t classify as “all over the roster” to me.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

we need a CB badly

Sorry, but when you’ve got Cox who has started 17 games the last 2 seasons and William Middleton back there, we have problems. If Mathis comes back at a reduced rate and has a something to prove mentality, I’m good with it.

I really hope no one expects the defense to be as plug and play as it was last year. We got very fortunate that we had the meat of the schedule in the early part of the year.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Factoring...

in the injuries and it does become more a need. But I don’t think neither Cox nor Middleton suffered injuries that will stop them from coming back full strength and playing at the level they were before sustaining them. Agree or not but I’d be okay with Middleton starting opposite Cox for a season if need be. You’re right about Mathis. A lot of depends on his recovery and if he’s resigned or not. So I’m going to consider it as an area of concern until play themselves out.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy crap.

I have no idea why that just happened.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess you don’t realize Mathis and Middleton are FA’s and both + Cox are coming off injury?

CB is most definitely a need.

Even if Mincey AND Roth are signed, DE is still a need. The pass rush in 2011 was hardly good. Pass rusher, just like CB and WR is a need.

Youve got needs at starting WR (x2), CB, DE, S an maybe RT and center. …that classifies as “all over” to me.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 30, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There seems to be good CB depth in the draft at least, say rounds 2-3 especially.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't "fill a need"

by signing a guy who has never player a regular season game, and you have never seen him play.

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by rhettchrystal on Jan 30, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that one rugby style punter who was doing all of those coffin corner kicks

Nevermind he had zero hang time and no one was there to return them.

Hell, I have video of me kicking a 67 yard field goal that consistently bounces off BOTH uprights then goes through. Sign me up.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just saying

the punter need isn’t filled, and more guys will “audition”.

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by rhettchrystal on Jan 30, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, I may try out for the job.

Haven’t punted in 10 years, but how hard can it be?

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm aware...

of all the circumstances involving Mathis, Middleton and Cox. It doesn’t change the fact that I don’t think it’s a need. As I said to Joe above, I’m just going to see it as an area of concern until the picture becomes more clear concerning those three.

I never said the pass rush was good but it was good enough for us to be competitive game in and game out last year, so if those two are resigned, I think we’ll be fine. And from what’s being said about Coples, it’s not as if he’s going to drastically improve the pass rush or anything. Just like CB, some things need to unfold first before I consider it a need.

How you came to conclusion we need a safety and a center, I don’t know. We definately need a RT though. So as it stands, I’d say our needs are, as you said, WR (x2) and RT. With the potential of DE and CB becoming needs. I’ll agree to disagree with you here because that’ still not “all over” to me. A team that needs help everywhere are the Colts and we’re not anything close to that.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Lowery is a free agent, as is Meester. As it stands, they’re not on the roster, so you’re down a starting center and safety.

So, you see corner as an “area of concern” but not a need? Well, that makes perfect sense…

And I guess we’re settling for good enough on the hopes that Mincey is the real deal?

Alright.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 30, 2012 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Fair enough.

In regards to Lowery and Meester. I didn’t know Meester was a FA.

I guess I should’ve worded myself better and said that CB is a ‘potential’ area of concern, depending on what happens. It’s so many uncertainties facing the position, so if we’re basing this solely off what’s certain, then I admit that CB is a position of need. Yet, you should be able to say that should Mathis and Middleton be retained and they recover well, it won’t be.

As far as settling for good enough with Mincey, I don’t have much I can say there. I just don’t think Coples is the answer we’re looking for.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone is saying he is THE answer. He’s merely a part of the puzzle.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 30, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

If so...

no argument here. I was just getting the sense that some believed he’ll be that dynamic pass rushing, every down DE that we’ve all wanted here for quite some time now.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually Meester is not a free agent. He is signed through 2012

by Demetrius82 on Jan 30, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with alfie

They are all needs some more pressing than others though. I wouldnt have cb as top three need but its close behind. Id say wr x2, rt, de,cb, s,c,lb. Also guard would be one britton doesnt come back healthy.

by JAGNUG on Jan 30, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Now...

linebacker is a need too?

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

sort of relevant to this

I had to laugh at this post I made on another draft related thread:

I would not be shocked if one of the top 10 prospects butchers his combine whether by measurables, interview or drug test seems to happen every year.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 15, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

COPLES COPLES COPLES! You guys who don’t like him, call him Derrick Harvey, better wrap your heads around it…. he could be a Jag in the spring!

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

because mock drafts in late January always play out the exact same way, right?

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No? Why you tryin to be smart? I said he “could” be a Jag in the spring. I’m just helpin people warm up to the idea. But whats the point, I know Jags fans – they’ll complain about the pick either way.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Why I tryin to be smart?

No reason really. If it’s possible to preen with words, you did it. Just tryin to help you in case they don’t take Coples.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Im starting to like this pick more and more.

Its time that we finally get the elite pass rusher we have been missing for so long. I just wish that I could get rid of the Harvey-Groves nightmares that haunt my thoughts everytime someone mentions drafting a DE with a high pick. I wish counseling could help.

by JagSoldier on Jan 30, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

You can't draft scared

Teams draft bust all the time. Look at the Lions, they drafted a bunch of shitty WR before they finally hit pay dirt with Megatron.

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by duuuvaaalll on Jan 30, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't want

to suck as long as the Lions did…

by CheapSeat on Jan 30, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Things is...

that Coples isn’t that elite pass rusher you’re hoping for. He’s said to be good but not great at rushing the passer but he’s equally as good at setting the edge at the point of attack against the run. I don’t think you spend the 7th pick of the draft on a player like that.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He can easily be a double digit sack guy in the NFL. As a rookie? Maybe not, but his natural physical ability is too much to pass up at 7, imo.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

"natural physical ability"

That’s not why you draft a guy with 7th overall pick in the draft. We’ve already seen where that gets you.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m saying he has the physical tools that you can’t coach. Add coaching on top of what he can already do (strength, quickness) and you got a hell of a player. You ever seen Coples? The guy has the mold of a DE to dominate.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So did...

Derrick Harvey. Again, I’m not making that comparison but from what you’re saying, the comparison becomes fair.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

So Jacksonville should never pick a DE again because Harvey sucked? Whom, James Harris selected.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we can just throw boat loads of money at FA defensive linemen since Harvey sucked, and not use it on FA WR’s. Maybe we’ll never draft a DE early again (even if he is the BAP at #7) because of Harvey. Good idea!

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm not necessarily, they are both needs. I’d be happy with Reiff, but all I’m saying is I’d be happy with Coples at 7 too.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Listen guys...

There are some great DE’s in the second round if we pass up on Coples & get a guy like Reiff for example (DE’s Vinny Curry, Andre Branch, & Cam Johnson come to mind).

All I’m saying is just because Harvey sucked, doesn’t mean Gene should pass up on Coples if he feels he is going to be really good.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

CURRY IS A BEAST!

The other two are overatted in my oppion and both translate better to 3-4 outside linebackers in the nfl. Neither is good at comeing of a block and once a tackle gets there hands on them rushing the qb they are basically out of the play and it happens more alot especially with cam johnson.

by JAGNUG on Jan 30, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying that...

but I don’t know what the difference is between guys like Derrick Harvey and guys like Aldon Smith and JPP, who were able to find success.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Same with...

Derrick Harvey. Again, I’m not making that comparison but from what you’re saying, the comparison becomes fair.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

it is definitely a crap shoot.

Last year was probably the first draft where Gene gambled. Monroe, you knew he was gonna be a Day 1 starter; same with Alualu.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Pierre-Paul had this

I’m not in anyway, shape, or form calling Coples Pierre-Paul because Pierre-Paul is a talented physical specimen And that was a risky pick, even for where he was drafted. Pierre-Paul was a very raw, one year wonder guy but his one year accompanied by his talent and his potential made him an intriguing mid first round pick. With that being said Coples has the ability and has shown he can be a very good, possibly dominating DE. Coples has had one really good junior year, and what people would deem one disappointing senior year due to his success the year before. I think the Senior Bowl showed what kind of player Coples could be

by Jags85 on Jan 30, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Which makes me wonder.

Is he worth the 7th overall pick in the draft? I don’t think so but if Gene drafts him, I’ll shrug my shoulders and support the team all the same.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too. Like every player, but especially Coples, A LOT of research will be done on him

Talking to coaches, extensive film break down, combine drills and interviews. Like you, if Gene selects him I’d be ok with the selection.

by Jags85 on Jan 30, 2012 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sometimes you have to settle for a double play

rather than a home run if its not there.

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by duuuvaaalll on Jan 30, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If that's the case...

we could always draft one of the offensive linemen too then. Surely one of them is equally good at pass protection and run blocking. From what I’m getting from the Coples pick is that he’d most likely play LDE. If we were to draft a tackle, he’d be a RT. So the value is the same, if you ask me, it just goes to who Gene think would be more talented if came down to Coples and let’s say Reiff or Martin.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have to disagree

Even a LDE is much more important than a RT.

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by duuuvaaalll on Jan 30, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is your opinion.

I’d take the offensive lineman over the defensive lineman. The best defensive lineman isn’t worth much if you have an equally talented offensive lineman to keep him neutralized.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true about the OL

Having played O-line in high school, I am never one to underrate the importance of O-line play. But given the choice between a good DE and a good RT prospect, I take a DE because they are much harder to find.

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by duuuvaaalll on Jan 30, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say...

that there are just as many, if not more, premiere pass rushers in the league than there are elite pass blockers. So just from a numbers standpoint, I’d say they are both hard to find.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Analogy makes no sense

a double play is close to a worst case scenario. Settle for a double maybe, but your analogy is like saying Yeah we have needs, but this kicker out of North Dakota State would be a great pick in the first round in case Scobee walks.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What I meant by it is

Sometimes people get a little crazy with the picking top 10 in the draft. Automatically thinking they will be getting a All-Pro player. But it doesn’t always work like that, sometimes you just have to select a very good player and move on.

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by duuuvaaalll on Jan 30, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

so that'd be a double

I kinda knew what you were going for. Just yankin your chain.

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by duuuvaaalll on Jan 30, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Mario Williams, & Coples would be badass on this team. I say let Mincey walk, and use that $ to spend on Super Mario. Plan B can be Avril, Mathis, or Abraham.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

I'm kind of sick

of hearing about Mario Williams…

by CheapSeat on Jan 30, 2012 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Alfie

Which 2 WR’s in FA do you think we will target?

Will we target Cliff Avril at DE? He seems like a no brainer..

by bdk790 on Jan 30, 2012 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Also..

Saints are in Cap trouble..

Carl Nicks at OG a possiblity? he is gonna want major money

by bdk790 on Jan 30, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I sure hope we spend money on WR’s rather than Guards.
Britton/Rackley is there for that.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I would sign Stevie Johnson and DeSean Jackson. I doubt the jaguars will go for the latter, so I’d expect something like Johnson and Meachem. Possibly Harry Douglas.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ahhh… no D-Bowe?
I’d like Stevie Johnson too though. However, Bowe is my #1 guy if they don’t retain him.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

This, along with the drafting of a guy like Brian Quick/Marvin McNutt/Juron Criner and we have some decent WR’s to work with.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Stevie Johnson alot

You think Gene will want Desean? that would be nice..

by bdk790 on Jan 30, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If Desean did come here, then he'd finally know who Josh Scobee is.

And I’m sure a number battle would ensue.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I say...

let them box for it and let Jaxson be the ref.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking Colston and S. Johnson

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Would love this, but imo Colston is sure to stay in New Orleans.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

New Orleans has to pay BIG money to Brees, and if I’m not mistaken Meachem is also a F.A. I dont know if they can afford all of their F.A’s so some ones gotta go, imo Colston, they have other talented receivers to cushion the loss of Colston

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I Do Want

Stevie Johnson. He’s a player.

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by Bestjagfan on Jan 30, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There is to much hype for Stevie Johnson on here

I know stevie Johnson is good but if you seen him play he drops some easy catches, but he did do well against revis in that one game this year. In my opinion Johnson is a number two reciever. If we get Colston Bowe or V jax with Stevie Johnson then that would be good

by fan7 on Jan 30, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

who would you go after?

bear in mind that you most likely need to remain committed to at least Mike Thomas and Cecil Shorts and possibly Dillard.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see...

the need to add any more than those two. Johnson is a legit #1 that can beat you a number of ways and Meachem would make an excellent #2. Then having Thomas in the slot, with Shorts and Dillard as the possession guys would make for a nice group of wideouts in my opinion. We’d still have Lewis and (hopefully) Zach Miller as two nice pass catching options, with MJD and Jennings coming out of the backfield as targets. With our run oriented offense, that would be a nice group of targets to balance out our offense.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

our offense will likely get a facelift

If Wade Phillips implemented a 3-4 seamlessly in 1 season with no OTAs and had Houston among the top defenses all year, I don’t see how we can’t implement a passing game with, get this, 3 receivers, with a true offseason.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Main difference...

in the improving of a defense and an offense (not saying as if you don’t know) is how important the QB position is. If Blaine can vastly improve, then I’m all for it. I just don’t see him improving to the point that the offensive gameplan can start being built around him rather than MJD. I think he’ll get there though.

If we add three receivers, fine. I just didn’t think we needed three. I have no qualms about improving a position if that means a player such as Dillard (a player just coming into his own) or Shorts (a player that needs more time to improve) loses their opportunity to find their place on the team. I guess it’s just I don’t like seeing things like that happen.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Im talking about Alfie, were he wrote johnson and Meachem.

In my opionion if that is all we get then give me Alshon Jeffrey as well

by fan7 on Jan 30, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured as much, but who out there in FA would you rather the Jags get?

None of the receivers in the draft “wow” me. I mean all things equal, you throw AJ Green, Julio Jones in with Blackmon and Jeffrey and Floyd, Blackmon would be late 1st early 2nd round. 58" vertical is great for slapping the plastic markers but that’s just more room to either get pushed out of bounds and an incomplete pass or almost 5 feet to land on your noggin. We had big WRs and big leapers and I can’t recall many jump balls that we won.

Measurables are going to be the undoing of Blackmon, give a damn is gonna be Floyd’s downfall and weight is going to be Jeffrey’s issue.

Hell, I’m almost of the opinion that we need to really do some thorough checks on Jenkins and Kirkpatrick and go with one of them.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s no real need to sign more than 2-3 FA WR’s with the crop of receivers in the draft that you should be able to get in the 2nd or 3rd round.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 30, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

that's kind of my point

there’s no guy who is head and shoulders better than what will be available with the second pick. With Jones and Green, the probability was a bit higher that they’d do some big things out the gate.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that.

Johnson and Meachem would be fantastic signs.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

DeSean Jackson?

I like that one a lot. I also would like for the team to sign Mario Manningham. That solves the starting WR slots and possibly PR/KR as Jackson did it for the Eagles. What about the DE’s?

by DeeMoe on Jan 30, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

DeSean Jackson to Jacksonville is very unlikely

I saw that he said he would not mind to be franchised by the eagles at the end of the season, and im pretty sure the eagles will keep him.

by fan7 on Jan 30, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Reiff

Gotta get a solid o-lineman. the RT is the only spot on the line i feel is weak. by doing this not only are you helping jones-drew in the run game, but maybe allowing gabbert to trust his line. if gabbert has 1 more second he will be able to find someone open downfield (Colston/Bowe/Toon/Quick…etc)

by Irunduval32 on Jan 30, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Britton is too injury prone to trust at RT. i want a reliable guy there

by Irunduval32 on Jan 30, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder who is considered better in pass pro between Reiff & Martin. I think that should be a point of emphasis if considered at 7.

by jagzman04 on Jan 30, 2012 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

my money would be on the guy from Stanford

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Reiff is more polished and a better technician

Reiff would be the better tackle day 1 but is limited to being RT probably but Martin has better physical tools and has greater upside and could play RT but has the upside of a LT

by Jermaside4 on Jan 30, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

I don’t trust Iowa offensive linemen… I mean, Robert Gallery, hello! (sarcasm)

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do you think Reiff is limited to being a RT? He was a stud LT.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 30, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

he faced no elite or even above average pass rushers

thats probably why the questions are coming up

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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 30, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I would amend my statement

Both can be LTs but Martin has superior athleticism leading me to beleive he could be a superior LT and that I believe Reiff although very talented is limited physically and may end up being a RT for 10 years and a good one

by Jermaside4 on Jan 30, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

pass blocking IMO goes

Kalil
Adams
Reiff
Martin

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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 30, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm, this sounds really familiar!

Everyone mocked Ryan Kerrigan to us last year, wonder what’ll happen this year.

Who am I kidding. Gene is going to draft 2OT’s, a DT, and a WR in the 7th round who was a “really good D3 player!” Smith is lucky to have enough money to buy proven talent; free-agency is the only thing keeping this team from being top-3 draft pick bad.

by Blowflu on Jan 30, 2012 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

A really good D-3 player

Nevermind a lot of contributors we got UDFA and practice squad pick ups like everyone’s favorite from last year, John Chick.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right...

because players such as Cox, Knighton, Alualu and Monroe aren’t contributing at all. It’s not just the free agents that are making up the talent base of this team. It’s them, the players that were here before Gene became GM and his draft picks. I’m not sure how much better you were expecting the team to be after adding just three draft classes.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Of those four players, only Knighton and Monroe are solid contributors. Alualu did fine last year, but he regressed this year. I know some of that was injury related, but Alualu was a reach at the 10th overall pick. Especially when we NEEDED a DE and passed on Jason Pierre-Paul. Also, are you serious about Cox? He’s played what, 17 games in 3 seasons? He’s the reason why CB remains one of our more pressing needs on defense.

How much better did I expect the team to be after 3 drafts? Better than 5-11 last year, which tied our record for our FIRST SEASON. As I said, without Poz, Landry, Session, and our other free agent acquisitions last year, we would have only won 3 games. Gene has failed to draft anyone outside of Knighton and Monroe who is a SOLID and CONSISTENT starter, let alone a pro-bowl talent.

by Blowflu on Jan 31, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Cox started all 16 games his rookie year

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 31, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Regressed

Guess we have never heard of the sophomore slump on this site, and Cox played in all 16 his first year, 13 the next year, and about 6 last year, so I’m confused at where your getting your misinformation.

The regression of WRs, the TEs, a Rookie QB, and a struggling O-line that gets you 5-11.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 31, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If gene has any blame, it’s on the talent he put on offense the past 3 years. Receiver has been a weakness for a while now. But looking back, we had weaknesses everywhere 2 or 3 years ago. These past drafts will be able to prove themselves in the next 2 seasons.

If he hit on Blaine and the tackles and dine, the free agents we add should put us over the top. We shall see

by bdk790 on Jan 30, 2012 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

DRAFT

NEED NEED NEED, what happened to BAP?
I believe Gene Smith is smarter than to jump on NEED.
Give him a chance and see who the BAP is!!!

by disgust1 on Jan 30, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

I agree.

Yet some believe Gene really isn’t a BAP guy. They think he drafts for need but just tells us he’s a BAP drafter to trick us into trusting him. Believe it or not, I’ve actually seen comments like this on other Jaguar related forums.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Gene Smith has drafted need every year in the first round.

BAP is how drafting need is rationalized publicly.

by Alfie Crow on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see that.

Because except for rare cases, the view of who is the BAP is probably altered through different perceptions based on the needs of each organization.

Although, there has to some sense of truth of BAP from Gene because in the ‘09 draft, he did select Monroe over Raji and Crabtree, who both played positions of need too. I’d say Eugene was the BAP of the three.

by kjones407 on Jan 30, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

sighhh

he is overated and going to be an above average LE in the Nfl probably never breaking double digit sacks two consecutive seasons. worth it though because he had two good drives in the senior bowl!!!!

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 30, 2012 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

This is what i think.

Resign Mincy and Mathis (move to FS), FA: Cliff Avril, Carl Nix, and Colston. Draft BAP (any of the tackles that fall to use)

by AfroIndian on Jan 31, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Let be honest

Stevie Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Desean Jackson and Vincent Jackson will not be leaving their teams. You don’t let threats like this walk. But getting one or two of these guys, Meachum, Colston, Douglas mixed in with 2 WR drafts will be way better than what we had to witness this past season.

by nationalmediacansuckit on Jan 30, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Would not be so sure about that

Some teams are in salary cap trouble. I’m wondering how Philly plans to keep Jackson with their high dollar windfall from last year. Johnson, same thing.

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by Joe Fisher on Jan 31, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind the pick,

But with all the money we spent on defense las year, you don’t think we’d take a receiver of a good enough one was still there to take?

by Jdodd51208 on Jan 30, 2012 5:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Alfie

If we pass on Coples, WHat do you project Vinny Curry and Whitney Mercilus to do in the NFL?

They may not be as versatile as Coples, but I think both show the ability to rush the passer, and could be available in the 2nd round.

by bdk790 on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

as long as he is way more productive than derrick harvey i am okay with that

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