Info on Coples...
Hey everyone, first time post here.
I have read with interest the perception that people have of Quinton Coples. In the interest of full disclosure, I am a graduate of the University of North Carolina and I do not miss a football game, any recruiting info, the Spring Game or pretty much any of the goings on as it relates to North Carolina football. I am also not advocating the Jags take Coples with the seventh pick in the draft. I just want to provide a little more information for y'all to chew on before you make up your mind about this young man.
First of all, as you all know, he is a very physically dominant player. He is not, however, Julius Peppers. Peppers was an absolute freak of nature and is one of the elite pass rush defensive ends to ever play the game. Coples is not that kind of freak. However, he is better than Peppers in some repsects. For instance, he is exponentially better than Peppers against the run. He can shed blockers and read quickly and he explodes to the ball carrier. Teams used to run right at Peppers with success, with Coples, they don't. And, this speaks to the motor issue, when the play is away from Coples, he consistently runs to the ball, regardless of how far he has to go.
As far as pass rushing goes, Coples is very good and will beat most players one on one. He needs to get better at recognizing the double team and putting himself in a position to take up players to allow his teammates to make a play. That will come with experience and a consistent system for him to develop in. Further, in college - even in the Senior Bowl - he was ALWAYS doubled and sometimes doubled AND chipped on passing downs.
There is another part of this story that nobody considers and that is the NCAA investigation in Chapel Hill and the impact it has had on that team's psyche and personnel. As a sophomore, Coples was coming into his own as a defensive end and he was predicted to have a breakout year on the edge as a Junior. Then, Marvin Austin got kicked off the team and Coples was moved inside to DT. On top of that, the DL coach, John Blake, was fired. Yet, through it all, Coples played with passion and with nothing but commitment to TEAM needs. Here is a kid that was going to possibly be an All-American DE as a junior, but for the sake of the team, he moved inside.
His senior year, he moved back to the outside with his third DL coach in as many years. Not only was it a different system, but he also had to get re-acclimated to the position after being at DT for an entire year. I know many might not think that is a big deal, but believe me, it is.
When you combine the personnel issues with the black cloud that has hovered over the UNC program the last couple of years, you might want to cut Coples, and many of the UNC kids some slack. Despite the issues, they all came out and gave their best. They never quit.
So, that is the TRUTH about Coples. And, again, I am not saying he should be the Jags first pick, but at least you all have some more data to consider when putting together your wish list for the Jags.
Personally, I think he would be the obvious pick for the Jags unless Blackmon or Claiborne fall to the #7 spot. And, of course, it is also contingent on what we do in free agency.
Thanks all, and GO JAGS!!
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Good info
well knowing this info, it does make me feel better about Coples. The only thing is in my opinion is that we need to protect are young QB and is there any free agents OL that we can get or maybe a second round Ol prospect that can start day one if we needed, because if not we need to get somebody like riley rieff or Jonathan martin or even Matt kalil if some how he falls to help are O line
haha you would front page this lol
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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 31, 2012 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
besides that
It’s a great article
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 31, 2012 7:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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Thank you for the insight, not only is a good defensive end, but he’s versatile, and can slide inside if needed. If drafted, he’ll make a great player, I don’t see any Derrick Harvey in him.
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well I do see Derrick harvey in him
both have 7 letter first names and 6 letter last names.
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Yeah but how is he with a sai?
by JagSoldier on Feb 1, 2012 9:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
if we draft coples...
I will buy his jaguar jersey and post the picture as my tag picture… I just don’t see us taking coples with the 7th pick. I’ve bashed him, so buying his jersey would only be fair lol
by bdk790 on Jan 31, 2012 7:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
adding to this...
I was unaware that Coples had the high sack total from dt spot junior year. Very interesting..
by bdk790 on Jan 31, 2012 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im just wondering does anybody Know if Mike Adams has a chance to fall in the second round and if not is there any good second round OL prospects
While I respect...
your opinion that we need some hogs, I really think taking a tackle would be a mistake. The best thing for our young QB would be to have receivers that get open quickly and catch the ball. We had a TON of coverage sacks this year where receivers just were not open. We also had some very curious formations and route trees. I just really believe a couple of playmakers on the outside will make Gabbert and the line so much better.
by Jag-er-meister on Jan 31, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
You may be right but Im not so sure. I was watching that ATL vs Jags game and Guy whimper was not very good against John Abraham, and will Rackley stills worrys me
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Won’t be starting next year. We will have a healthy line back in place.
by Jag-er-meister on Jan 31, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
but is Britton going to be effective at RT?
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I don't think so.
Britton was struggling at RT before his injuries and before he was moved to guard. For him to be shifted back at tackle I would assume he’d struggle as he was before. As for taking a RT I’d be fine with that just not in the 1st round. I’ve always felt it takes offensive lineman take about three or more years before they start to show flashes (At least our OL seem to). Uche for an example if I recall took like 4 years to become as good as he is.Same for Monroe this season (his 3rd season) he’s finally start to show promise. I’d assume based of Uche and Monroes experience Rackley will need about 1-2 more years to show what kind of guard he’ll be. By taking a RT in the first round he’s probably going to struggle his first couple years especially with how athletic DE’s are these days. Looking at our situation with Blaine being labeled as “skittish” I wouldn’t throw a rookie at RT. I’d draft one in any other round however to develop under a vet RT pickup. I’d sign a guy like Kareem Mckenzie of the Giants for a couple years and let a RT develop under him.
but eben britton when healthy did an Ok job I mean we barely get to see what he can really do you know what I mean
Britton needs to be released
And hose up someone else’s roster. He is not very good, doesn’t, translate well to the NFL and is a constant injury with legs. Nothing to see here. Move along, move along
by OGN on Feb 1, 2012 7:10 AM EST up reply actions
BRADFIELD!!!!!
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by FRANKdubz on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Everyone seems to forget about Haslam and Bradfield. Both have looked very promising to me. Why have “jars on the shelf” if you are just going to forget that you even have them? I bet Gene hasn’t forgotten them.
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by Conservative on Feb 1, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
you could say the roster currently has about 35-40 jars on the shelf
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You're right.
I have a layout of the Jags roster as it currently stands and most of them are players that the team has been developing for a while now. It’ll be interesting to see how many of them will be able to contribute going forward.
Why? Coples looks legit. Take big guys early.
Only take skill position players in the top 10 if its a franchise QB or a freak of nature athlete.
by Ironmanxrs2 on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Very nice piece.
Told me a lot about Coples I hadn’t known.
Starting to feel like he might be the right pick.
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Who would you say is a better prospect as far as impact player at the next level, coples or quinn? Basically who you think will be regarded as the better player in the end
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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 31, 2012 7:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I didn't think Quinn...
was ready for the NFL yet. He is a REALLY high motor guy, but needed another year to get stronger. The NCAA violations – which were a joke – causing him to be dismissed from the team and having to declare for the draft, really set him back. He had a year of non-activity away from football and really only played two seasons of college ball. He needed another year to get stronger and work on technique. Quinn will end up being a good player, but you won’t hear his name regularly for a couple of more years, in my opinion.
Coples is by far the more NFL ready of the two. Coples will have significant contributions as a rookie and get better from there.
by Jag-er-meister on Jan 31, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
ok thanks
I was high on quinn and I think in a couple years he has the chance to be a very good pass rusher but I agree that coples is ready now and has the higher ceiling and is an overall better player. Just have to see if he has the explosion and flexibility to reach it
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by Jaggaholic82 on Jan 31, 2012 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nice Article…..line him up next to Alualu & let them loose…..overall solid pick for 7th pick…..forget about what happened wit D. Harvey…..go JAGS!
by orecic76 on Jan 31, 2012 8:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
with ah vastly improved OFFENSE our DEFENSE could be in the top 3 next season, looking forward to 2012…can’t start soon enough……
by orecic76 on Jan 31, 2012 8:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Very Nice Insight
I wasn’t too high on Coples at seven, but between this article and Alfie I’m slowly coming around. I’m still not completely on the bandwagon, but I’m on the rear bumper hanging on.
by nationalmediacansuckit on Jan 31, 2012 8:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Great and much needed Insight
I’ve heard Numerous times people calling him a Derrick Harvey “clone” and I had never seen him play so I had doubts, but with Alfies blogs from the Senior Bowl coupled with This recent post I have changed my view and rightfully so
by Jags85 on Jan 31, 2012 9:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Honestly...
I never got the Derrick Harvey comparison. There is no comparison when it comes to athleticism. Coples is superior. Coples has superior strength and speed as well. I never saw a motor with Harvey and was amazed that we traded up to get him. Coples is a better player in every phase of the game and would not be a reach for any team with picks 3-10. Harvey was a real reach by any measurement.
good stuff
Would be nice to see some fans of the colleges with top 15 players contribute stuff like this
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by Joe Fisher on Jan 31, 2012 10:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The problem with Harvey was partially strength.
At the combine he benched 225 20 times and maxed out at 350.
I’m 5’11 215lbs and I can bench 315 and push 225 16-18 times. He should be destroying me on this. For an NFL level DE. I need my D-Linemen to be strong as heck so they can shed the 350lb monsters on the O-Line.
Hopefully Coples can push 400-415max with 25-27 reps of 225.
by Ironmanxrs2 on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
If he were looking to be a bodybuilder
I would agree with you
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 1, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
at what point do you sacrifice flexibility for strength?
and there are not many 350 monsters on the O line. Mostly 325 and below, but the good defensive ends who get home consistently do so with fluid movement and technique vice a straight bull rush.
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How long are your arms?
There is a big difference between a 5-foot-11 guy benching and a 6-foot-4/5/6 guy benching.
by Alfie Crow on Feb 1, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I struggle with benching
because I’ve got long ass arms, and I one rep is like 1 1/2 for a little guy.
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 1, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
in HS, I could barely bench the bar
But weightlifting was not really needed for cross country. I did used to leg press 780 back in the day.
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Coples is very strong
In high school he did 185 13 times, but has gained 55 pounds since then. I expect him to do about 33 reps of 225.
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 1, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the info, but....
I’m more convinced we should not take him at 7. He seems more like a 3-4 DE since he had a better year at DT.
by yungtony on Feb 1, 2012 6:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Gene likes too take Big guys early.
Coples would be my BAP at 7. I would make an offer to Mario, if you cant sign him then bring Mincy back for cheaper.
Thanks for the info.
Sounds like a true “character” guy which Gene Smith covets and a DE the Jags need. However, all this non-WR draft talk has me worried.
I know there are not a lot of real superstar options but, personally, I’m growing more and more concerned about the WR corp. The Jags desperately need a “great” WR. Not just because they haven’t had one in a decade, but to accurately gauge Gabbert this year. Hopefully the Jags don’t look to a 35 yr. old Burress (suggested by T.Holmes the other day), or a 2nd round 5’ 9" guy from the draft to fill the holes.
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I believe the Jags are going to address starting WR's in free agency.
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Desean Jackson is a superstar. He is a player that this city needs and someone who Gabbert can feel comfortable with throwing the football to.
With the new owner and HC i wonder if Gene will change his philosophy on player’s “character”. Or atleast loosen up a little.
Desean may be a superstar
But he is also a selfish idiot whos me first exploits cost his team more than once
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Dude is a PUNK.
Don’t need that in the locker room. Philly had more talent on their team than any other team . What did that get them?
High Character is overrated
Of course you don’t want guy beating their wives or getting DUI’s or fighting at clubs, but come on. Everyone has a little etchy past in some way or another. Gene is going to have to loosen his belt when it comes to some of those things b/c obviously his current “character” gauge ain’t cutting it. Especially when it comes to elite talent. This ain’t a Mr. Rodgers Neigborhood sport.
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You're right.
While you cannot overstate the importance of character, elite WR’s with good character are hard to come by. I always liked Randy Moss. IMO – he complained because he wanted the ball – to help win games. T.O., on the other hand, wanted the ball to be in the spotlight. I’d take a Randy Moss, but not a T.O. Gene definitely needs to lighten up on the “character” thing for WR’s.
Throw the ball, score points.
Really?
When I see this I always laugh.. “High Character is overrated”. So lets play… name all those low characters players that actually accomplished something (other than being in the NFL) and I will name 5 “High Character” who did more for every one you name. Low character players that succeed are not the norm and when they do it’s because they are on a team where other people pick-up their slack.
The problem here is your definition of high character, is not someone who is soft and wouldn’t harm a fly. Its someone that doesn’t let personal lives effect their play or the team. Its a player who is not happy with his contract but still plays his tail off. ie someone you can count on..
Desean is a good player, but when hes not happy he will give up and pout. Yes, that is someone we need on this team, especially for the money he is going to want.
I admit, going in, I was not a big Coples fan because I felt he had the Carolina stink all over him
But, with most every player but a select few, I can be swayed with convincing argument.
Jag-er-meister, you swayed me.
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Not my intent...
to sway anyone. Just wanted to provide some more information that most of the national and local talking heads wouldn’t know about. I guarantee you that the NFL team scouting departments know all about these things and consider them heavily. The Mel Kipers and Mike Mayocks of the world exist for the fans, not for the teams. It is great entertainment, no doubt and this is all a lot of fun, but at the end of the day, the NFL guys know what they are doing.
And, thank you for the kind words.
by Jag-er-meister on Feb 1, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
Oh no, that's not what I mean at all
All I had were preconceived notions with little in the way of research aside from highlight tapes and the odd UNC game.
You gave a very good account and it seems his performance in the Senior Bowl validated your take.
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Same here.
Even though you say it wasn’t your intent to sway anyone, Jag-er-meister, one way or the other, you sure have achieved it. My only concern about him was the fact that his motivation was in question and from what I’ve read here, it shouldn’t be an issue. If that’s the case and he really is a team first player that’s committed to being the best player he can be, I’d love for someone with his size and versatility to become a Jaguar. He sounds much more like a #7 pick now than before I read this.
Still think he has a high bust factor
But I don’t see anyone else out there worth the number 7 overall pick that will satisfy need and value. At this point I’m ok with Couples at 7
would you care to explain
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by Jagsrok9008 on Feb 10, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
sure
coples will be a harvey like bust. hes not a safe pick and we better stay commited to mincey and roth. hopefully we can land avril or williams in the offseason.
by tellitlikeitistc on Feb 10, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions
you have explained nothing
I can throw random statements out as well yet they will mean nothing unless I substantiate it. What about Coples makes him seem like a bust in a similar way that Harvey busted?
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