Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: NFL Safety Ryan Clark's Motivational Workout

Jaguars Coaching Search: I have no preference

I, like everyone else, have kept a close eye on who the next head coach of the Jaguars will be. Whoever is hired will likely have a strong impact on the Jaguars in 2012 and surely beyond that. There have been reports of five different NFL offensive coordinators that will be interviewed for the job and with interim head coach, Mel Tucker, there appears to be six candidates in all.

While Rob Chudzinski is the apparent favorite of fans who hope he can find the same level of success with Blaine Gabbert as he did in Carolina with Cam Newton. Conversely, the majority of fans seem to be against the idea of hiring candidates like Mike Mularkey or Brian Schottenheimer. I, frankly, don't have a preference and there isn't a single candidate that will disappoint me.

Star-divide

The San Francisco 49ers went 4-12 in 2005 with the 32nd ranked passing offense that was so bad that it was the 32nd ranked total offense. Their offensive coordinator at the time was Mike McCarthy. When he was hired by the Packers following that terrible season in San Francisco, it frustrated fans and even some Packers players, namely Brett Favre who was angry with the organization for not interviewing Steve Marriuci.

Now five years later, who's complaining about McCarthy? Nobody. Why was he so unsuccessful with the 49ers and so successful with the Packers? Perhaps it's because there's a pretty big difference between a rookie Alex Smith throwing to an uninspiring group of receivers and Aaron Rodgers throwing to a crop of extremely high quality receivers.

'Players not plays' is, in my opinion, an oversimplified approach at football, but it does hold truth on a general basis. The amount of wins and losses a team finishes with is indicative of the talent on the team, not the level at which they were coached.

When I try to diagnose what is wrong with the Jaguars, it boils down to struggles at the quarterback and the wide receiver positions. None of the coaching candidates will solve that problem upon arrival and I'm confident that none of them would have been able to do much offensively with the cast of characters in 2011.

Coaching isn't pointless and I do believe there are such things as good coaches and bad coaches, but it's nearly impossible to truly be able to tell who is and who isn't. Ultimately it's very difficult to quantify the impact coaching has on a team.

It's impossible to remove the coaching from a team and see if they're truly good because of their talent or good because of the teachings they've had and the playcalling they receive. So with that, I will not be disappointed by any hire nor will I be jumping for joy either.

Comment 64 comments  |  2 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Brian Schottenheimer HC, Marty Schott… as OC? This organization could sure use Marty’s experience right now……..a new owner, some new young HC & Gene Smith? Hiring some young up/coming OC to be HC with no true expderienced football mind around could be risky……

by orecic76 on Jan 4, 2012 2:49 AM EST reply actions  

Marty is a Defensive coach by trade

You are banned from Stampede Blue.
You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I don't think you took me seriously. If you want it unbanned, email an admin. But, for now, your Stampede Blue privileges are done.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 4, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It isnt about just knowing

the ins and outs of football. Every coach in the NFL and Div 1 footballs knows football. A good HC is someone who has the personality and leadership ability to motivate his players into giving their best and buying into the system.

by JagSoldier on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

According to today's O-Zone,

It’s actually 7 candidates because Joe DeCamillis, the ST Coordinator in Dallas, is getting interviewed, too. No idea why this hasn’t been reported like the others have but I dont doubt Oehser is telling the truth.

by grues0809 on Jan 4, 2012 3:03 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

John Harbaugh was a special teams coach

You are banned from Stampede Blue.
You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I don't think you took me seriously. If you want it unbanned, email an admin. But, for now, your Stampede Blue privileges are done.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 4, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I heard on Sportscenter that DeCamilis is a name they are looking at

"The dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price." -Vince Lombardi

by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 4, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you, Adam.

I’m not very concerned with who becomes the coach. It’s not nearly as important as the players on the field. Whoever we get will do just fine, and if he doesn’t, we’ll see it soon enough and he’ll get his butt fired.

Twitter: BLByline Youtube: BLByline
2011 Big Cat Country fantasy football league CHAMPION

by Brian Levenson on Jan 4, 2012 4:19 AM EST reply actions  

I say keep Mel Tucker

as Head Coach. He did a great job this year. I was one who initially thought the fantastic play of the defense, was simply, better players. When all the injuries started to occur, and the defense still operated at a high level, it became clear, something else was happening. He has earned the job.
Mike Martz has resigned in Chicago. I would love to see him work with Gabbert.

by zulu370 on Jan 4, 2012 6:29 AM EST reply actions  

I gotta agree with Zulu...

Mel Tucker is outstanding and it’d be a shame to see the Jaguars’ organization lose him. Given a new OC I think we can really build the team from here…

by Spoon2013 on Jan 4, 2012 7:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Mel’s chances are pretty good with the OCs their taking a look @…Martz is someone GENE should talk with.

by orecic76 on Jan 4, 2012 7:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No

You think Gabbert looked frustrated as hell this year…

You are banned from Stampede Blue.
You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I don't think you took me seriously. If you want it unbanned, email an admin. But, for now, your Stampede Blue privileges are done.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 4, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Frustrated.

The times I saw that expression, it was usually because his receivers were dropping passes or the o-line couldn’t protect him.

by zulu370 on Jan 4, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Martz is a has been

much better options at HC to look at

"The dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price." -Vince Lombardi

by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 4, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I really like energy he brings and I think the team really responds to him. Hiring a good OC would be very important though.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 4, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

surprised that Russ Grimm, Gregg Williams, Jim Haslett, and Rob Ryan are not getting mention as HC candidates

You are banned from Stampede Blue.
You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I don't think you took me seriously. If you want it unbanned, email an admin. But, for now, your Stampede Blue privileges are done.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 4, 2012 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

Defense

I think Khan and Gene are dead set on offensive minded. With Tucker being the only D-coach to get consideration.

Just my guess.

Plus, Rob Ryan’s D in Dallas ain’t looked so hot this year. Jim Haslett, is he Rams? They were a better unit last year than this I thought. Gregg Williams also had one hot year in Nola, but the D this year or last wasn’t as great as when he first got there.

Either way, I’d personally be less interested in the D guys you named than the canidates being reported.

by Kyle Lipsey on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Grimm is an offensive coach

You are banned from Stampede Blue.
You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I don't think you took me seriously. If you want it unbanned, email an admin. But, for now, your Stampede Blue privileges are done.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 4, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Haslett is DC in Washington

You are banned from Stampede Blue.
You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I don't think you took me seriously. If you want it unbanned, email an admin. But, for now, your Stampede Blue privileges are done.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 4, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

If i were a Jag fan i'd want Spags.

"There are a lot of plays to be made out there playing middle linebacker. I try to make all of them." by Colin McCarthy

by Titanluv318 on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

as a DC

absolutely. As a HC, well not so much

"The dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price." -Vince Lombardi

by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 4, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Not surprised about Williams and Haslett

I think they have proven that they are just good Coordinators. Ryan would have to bring and install his 3-4 which isn’t a direction I think they wanna go in so I’m not surprised there at all. I am a little shocked about Grimm though.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 4, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree with Adam

this is exactly what I’ve been preaching to my friends and family for the longest time, only for them to follow up with “why don’t the Jags ever go after big names guys who will help sell tickets” ugghhh

Respect My Authoritah

by duuuvaaalll on Jan 4, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

Mel Tucker

I strongly feel he has earned this job. To finish 2 – 3 with this roster was a huge accomplishment.

by Kamarr on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

to beat the Colts and Bucs

is not a “huge accomplishment.”

I do like Mel, though.

by CheapSeat on Jan 4, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

he's earned legitimate consideration

The team could have mailed it in but they never quit. Never quit under Del Rio either, I kinda think some of the coaches quit.

Funny thing is, I bet San Diego goes through the same exact thing next year.

You are banned from Stampede Blue.
You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I don't think you took me seriously. If you want it unbanned, email an admin. But, for now, your Stampede Blue privileges are done.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 4, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Mike McCoy is an interesting option too.

by Kamarr on Jan 4, 2012 9:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I agree to an extent

I wouldn’t rely on the coach’s record as a coordinator to his prospect as a head coach. HC, as I mentioned in another post, is a managerial position. Who are you going to hire to be on the ground with the players? How are you going to manage/motivate them to coach/motivate the players?

Players not plays. Tell that to this year’s 49ers. It is a healthy mix, no doubt.

by CheapSeat on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

I think what they want is a coach who is willing to delegate and reign in when needed. JDR would not do that for some unknown reason, but from what is reported, after the extension, he did not put in the work expected… but still would not relinquish control, and did this by way of some of his hires, one being Mike Tice.

In hindsight, Weaver should have seen the red flag come up when it appeared that every year JDR would fire a few assistants.

You are banned from Stampede Blue.
You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I don't think you took me seriously. If you want it unbanned, email an admin. But, for now, your Stampede Blue privileges are done.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 4, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

yes I do, with the exception of Tice and a couple others

JDR was all about covering his ass.

You are banned from Stampede Blue.
You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I don't think you took me seriously. If you want it unbanned, email an admin. But, for now, your Stampede Blue privileges are done.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 4, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

My point was

he wasn’t doing it on his own. I guarantee Weaver and Gene Smith had some input in the process.

by pksiv on Jan 4, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Tucker

Did he earn the HC job? I dunno. beating the Bucs (who lost 10 in a row) and the clots (who won just enough to not look like they were sucking for luck) isn’t much of an accomplishment.

But having the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string D guys playing at a good level at the end was nice to see. They really respond to him and having him as HC may be good for some continuity. However, if Tucker is HC, who then will be OC? I think O’Brien in NE is the only OC with an expiring contract, the rrest would only leave for HC jobs, imo.

But if we hire one of these OC guys (who brings in people he knows and makes a staff), and keep Tucker as DC we will be better off, I think.

by Kyle Lipsey on Jan 4, 2012 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

I think that would be best option

I don’t if Tucker or the new coach would go for it

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 4, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

@CheapSeat To have almost 30 players on IR, sign street free agents to come in and play immediately, and finish well was a huge accomplishment. Check the stats of those 5 games and compare them to the other 11. When you do that then you can voice your opinion.

by Kamarr on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I believe he can voice his opinion any time he wants...

That being said, the team gutted out the season the same way they played it. Never quit, the closest was the Jets game, but they didn’t quit, the defense played their asses off even with horrible field position. Only player I thought quit was Matt Turk.

Defense played its ass off, but was it coaching or all of the FA acquisitions? Players or plays?

You are banned from Stampede Blue.
You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I don't think you took me seriously. If you want it unbanned, email an admin. But, for now, your Stampede Blue privileges are done.

by Joe Fisher on Jan 4, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

100% agree

players and gm> coaching

by duvaljag on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

Ahem!!

"There are a lot of plays to be made out there playing middle linebacker. I try to make all of them." by Colin McCarthy

by Titanluv318 on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Was Chudzinsky OC last year??????

When Clausen was stinking it up?

frankDUBZ

"I'm smacking you with the truth......" - Me

by FRANKdubz on Jan 4, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

nope

that would be Jeff Davidson(at least that is what Wikipedia says)

"The dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price." -Vince Lombardi

by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 4, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

OK good

frankDUBZ

"I'm smacking you with the truth......" - Me

by FRANKdubz on Jan 4, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

mel tucker

I think mel is the best man for the job we need to bring in a good OC like (Chudzinsky) so that our O is just as good as our D

by jagsfan219 on Jan 4, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

I honestly think Mel Tucker is the guy.

The funny thing about it is listening to JTW is that a lot of the fans are displaying the same sentiment that the players are, and that is they want him to stay as HC. A lot of people are impressed by Mel Tucker’s no-sense, no-excuse type of approach. Mel Tucker is a leader, and I think that is arguably the most important attribute a head coach needs. All this offensive-minded, defensive-minded coach stuff sounds great but if you can’t get your team to rally behind you it doesn’t matter. Wade Phillips is a perfect example. He is often called a defensive mastermind but does anybody think he is a good coach? No. All Mel would need to do is provide a stronger framework for how the team will handle it’s business. We’ve already seen a lot of this. We suffered through a devastating glut of injuries and not once did you see the team look like they quit. Not once! These guys continued to play hard. I also like the fact that Mel has already changed the culture of practicing. By the looks of it the Jags have been somewhat lackadaisical when it came to practice. Mel wants everything looking sharp, energetic, and timely. If Mel along with Gene can assemble a quality coaching staff, keyword Q-U-A-L-I-T-Y, this team is going to be really good.

by Slvrgun on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

I do have a preference

I really like Rob Chudzinski, but I wish he could be the OC. I’m not totally sold on him as HC, but I like him a lot as an OC. He developed Newton, and had a successful passing game, setting records.

Chud in 2011 has taken one of the leagues worst offenses in 2010 and transformed it into one of the top 10 offenses in 2011. This has put him into talks to be interviewed for some possible head coaching interviews.

He has also coached three all american tight ends in college, Bubba Franks, Jeremey Shockey, and Kellen Winslow III. Also coached Antonio Gates for 4 years in San Diego. So he has a lot of experience with tight ends, and can really help Marcedes get back to his usual self, and maybe help Zach Miller turn into what Gene thought he could be, when he was drafted.

Anyone interested in making money easy and quick on the interne, let me know through twitter or facebook(preferably facebook).
"thanks for hating"
"Give it up now before its too late!…. CJ will be shut down? Nevermind, its already too late." AZ TiTan10

Follow Me On Twitter

by rhettchrystal on Jan 4, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

and him and that organization

are very familiar with Gabbert, so this is what I want…

HC: Chudzinski
OC: Shula
DC: Mel Tucler

with Chudzinski pulling a lot of his staff from Carolina, including Shula, maybe John Matsko(OL Coach), and Fred Graves(WR Coach)

The reason why Gabbert “failed” this season, is because:

1. No offseason
2. Bad receivers.
3. Marcedes playing bad.
4. Bad O-Line
5. Bad QB Coach

If we kept Shula when we started the season, Gabbert could of have played a lot better, I always liked Shula, and I was mad when he left. The offseason also hindered his development. The receivers wouldn’t get open and dropped passes. Marcedes dropped a lot of passes, although he had a decent season in yard and receptions statistically, it was an off year. And through the LG and RT spot, Gabbert would get hammered, I know it’s partially his fault, but he didn’t get a lot of help.

Anyone interested in making money easy and quick on the interne, let me know through twitter or facebook(preferably facebook).
"thanks for hating"
"Give it up now before its too late!…. CJ will be shut down? Nevermind, its already too late." AZ TiTan10

Follow Me On Twitter

by rhettchrystal on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

do you think that's realistic though?

call me a pessimist, but I don’t think Mel is coming back as DC and I don’t think Chud/Mularky is coming in as OC. One of them will be the HC and the other will be HC elsewhere. I like Mel a whole lot. But I trust Gene and Khan to make the right choice. To expect Tucker to take a practical demotion after showing great coaching skills is wishful thinking. Likewise to expect Chud to make a lateral move leaving his freak-of-nature QB for Gabbert and a ragtag receiver corps … don’t see him coming here unless it’s HC and I think Tucker could realistically be HC elsewhere. So basically I think in reality we can only have one or the other.

by BassPlaysDave on Jan 4, 2012 1:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

technically its not a demotion

he was the interm head coach, which is a temporary promotion.

Anyone interested in making money easy and quick on the interne, let me know through twitter or facebook(preferably facebook).
"thanks for hating"
"Give it up now before its too late!…. CJ will be shut down? Nevermind, its already too late." AZ TiTan10

Follow Me On Twitter

by rhettchrystal on Jan 4, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Gene Smith

I dont think gene has guts because everyone he has drafted seemed to be a safe pick. I think this team needs a guy thats not afraid to take chances on players. From what i heard so far about the new owner is he has the guts to take chances on big time players and he is willing to pay whatever so thuis time can see a championship..

by jagsfan219 on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

So there safe picks now ?

I thought he always was always reaching for small school guys ? <\sarcasm>

by pksiv on Jan 4, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyson Alualu was not a "safe" pick

Nor was trading a future 2nd round pick for either a small school CB in Derek Cox (or relatively unknown DT from Temple in Terrence Knighton as some debate Gene traded back in to the 3rd to draft Knighton, not Cox) in the 3rd Round

by Jags85 on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with this post

To me a head coach should just come in and say “I want to play this kind of offense and this kind of defense”. The organization should make sure he gets the players he needs to play his way and the coordinators should be on board with that.

A good head coach should be able to inspire his players to play their best no matter what. He should have enough command to have his coordinators call the kind of game he wants. He should be smart enough to use all the tricks of the trade to squeeze out every advantage during the game for his team. Finally, he should accept the blame when it all falls down. To me, that makes a good head coach. I really don’t care what his name is and where he worked before.

If we’re gonna make things happen everybody has to be on the same page. You can’t have a coach wanting to play one way, a GM wanting to play his own way, and coordinators calling games any kind of way.

This post is a product of my humble opinion. If you disagree, simply reply with a counter argument, not a personal attack.

by moufpuncha on Jan 4, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

I’m not against Mularkey as some are.

by Catfanatic1979v1 on Jan 4, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

same

Anyone interested in making money easy and quick on the interne, let me know through twitter or facebook(preferably facebook).
"thanks for hating"
"Give it up now before its too late!…. CJ will be shut down? Nevermind, its already too late." AZ TiTan10

Follow Me On Twitter

by rhettchrystal on Jan 4, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I am

but only because most of my Falcons friends, I live in Atlanta, are DESPERATELY HOPING he leaves.

by pksiv on Jan 4, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Head Coach is more than a teacher

The head coach has to have a number of attributes. First a vision for what his team will be. 2nd the ability to match a staff of assistants to his vision, and have them buy in and hire on.3rd the ability to lead an organization, motivating everyone to buy into the vision in good times and through the trials and bad times that always come. 4th the ability to communicate as the face of the franchise with all the media, fans, etc. Finally the ability to organize, evaluate and execute the plan to make the vision a reality. Hopefully, Mr. Khan will be able to find such a leader for the Jaguars!

by CaptB on Jan 4, 2012 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Big Cat Country:: Jacksonville Jaguars news, commentary, speculation and fun, all from a fan's perspective

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Jacksonvillejaguars2_small
Jaguars 2012 my opinion
Small
Chastin West
Small
Brian Robiskie ?
Small
Blaine Gabbert: What Can Be Done? (Part 1)
015_small
My issue with college football
Small
Blaine Gabbert Video Sampler Platter
Small
Interested in joining an all-time NFL mock draft?
Hurricane1_small
2012 Game-by-Game Predictions
Kiwi-new2_small
Mullayo's May 53 man roster
Chester_cheeto_small
The New QB Dilemna

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Manager

77312417837578290_small River City Rage

180103_10150110239888826_529758825_6295646_8155374_n_small Adam Stites

Image_small Alfie Crow

Editor-in-Chief

Img_6121_small silencecs

Contributor

404931_2894108066464_1073166201_32535141_1775032715_n_small CaliforniaJag

32213_924639348222_5111476_51082025_729592_n_small T.Holmes

Twitter_pic_small Shane Clemons

Small Michael Appelbaum

P9260123_small Jagfan89

Cole_small theeCodyTaylor