Mel Tucker to Interview for Vikings DC, According to Report
by Adam Stites on Jan 7, 2012 8:36 PM EST
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PrintThe Vikings haven't fired their defensive coordinator Fred Pagac, but according to Clark Judge of CBS, that should happen soon. So soon that the Vikings have reportedly lined up four candidates to fill the defensive coordinator role. Among those candidates listed is Jaguars interim head coach and defensive coordinator, Mel Tucker.
The ideal situation in the mind of most Jaguars fans would be to hire a head coach and re-sign Tucker as defensive coordinator, but after coaching the league's 6th best defense in 2011 there are apparently other opportunities available for the 40 year old coach. The Jaguars do not need to give the Vikings permission to interview Tucker for a lateral move as this was his last year under contract with the team and he is essentially a free agent now.
Of course, the Vikings would still need to fire Pagac and Tucker would have to beat out three other very qualified candidates to even have the opportunity to decide if he wants to accept the Minnesota job.
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I personally think Mel will go somewhere else if he's not the new HC
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
While very possible...
I tend to disagree. With the additional exposure to him in interviews that came along with him being named the interim HC, he doesn’t appear to be an ego driven type person. So I could see him staying around if he doesn’t win the HC job. But at the same time, I do think they’d have to give him more stability contract wise going forward to convince him to stay.
Sorry but....
I dont think mel is coming back. As disappointing as it is.
by caneman4 on Jan 7, 2012 8:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
With the success of the defense
This past season, tucker deserves a fat paycheck, and with this team being on the rise, an the defense already being built and top 10, I think tucker will want to and will stay in jacksonville, maybe in 1-2 more seasons he’ll get a serious head coaching offer, but as of right now, he’ll stay as a defensive coordinator
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 7, 2012 9:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
that he has an incentive to stay with the defense he did so well with last year. If he keeps them looking good; he will get a HC offer, no doubt. However, it is not really his call. The new HC would have to be on board too…
Is the end of a contract premature? Maybe they should wait to see how good he does somewhere else and then give him a fat contract?
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
Is it players or plays?
What he did with the patchwork defense at the end of the year definitely merits consideration, but I would not be shocked if he jumps elsewhere. What if the new coach does not want him and the coordinator positions are already determined?
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I am not big on that players not plays line.
One without the other is worthless. It’s kind of like ‘oxygen or water?’ In this world you are screwed without either.
Who the new HC wants as DC should definitely be part of the hiring decision. It shouldn’t be Tucker or bust, but whomever the HC prospect wants better be considered as good or better than Tucker if they are demanding a change.
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
perfect example here
JDR when he got here. Hell of a defense. Big on the front, solid secondary, serviceable linebackers. We lose players, all of a sudden JDR forgot how to coach defense?
then there is the other side of the coin:
2010 Texans 4-3 defense absolutely sucks
2011 Wade Phillips comes in, Mario Williams misses significant time, they switch to 3-4 and add a couple of rookies and Joseph in the secondary, and they improve greatly
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Players could at least put up a fight
by themselves. Coaches would have a hard time winning a down with no players on the field.
What does the previous contract have to do with anything?
Nothing.
Tucker was a good coordinator for one season. Handing him a fat contract after that one season would be absolutely premature, regardless of the length of his previous contract. Like it was with Del Rio, Garrard, etc etc.
You’re really good at failing to snipe semantics.
by Alfie Crow on Jan 8, 2012 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You really like that word, "semantic". If seeing things as they are written is distorting, then why write?
My point stands. The “premature” contracts to be learned from in my book are ones that are given, not because the previous contract is up and there is an immediate threat of losing them to free agency, but in the middle of the current contract as a “reward” for one good season. Examples: Garrard, Marcedes Lewis, Mike Thomas
Premature: done before the proper or usual time
Maybe “unduly” or “undeserved” would have gotten your point across better if that is what you meant.
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
Personally
I was also a fan of Tucker’s when he was with the Browns. So to me, it’s not just one year of prove it to me. It’s been a few and he’s done well. Having said that, he’s not my favorite as HC. I’d prefer him as DC.
If I was him
theres no point in leaving for the same position when you have already started to have a lot of success on your side of the ball. A season or two will continued success and you would put yourself in a great position to be one of those leading HC candidates.
But at the same time, who knows if the new HC wants his own guy to be DC, so either way he has to do best for him, hope he is here but wish him luck wherever it is.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 7, 2012 9:23 PM EST reply actions
Gene and khan both have a say
I know gene likes tucker, and I think khan does too, so that will be taken in effect, you don’t need an IQ of 138 to realize that this a good defense and ticker is a good DC, I’m sure any head coach would be glad to have tucker as his dc
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 7, 2012 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its not that simple
If the HC has to be accountable for the team, he may want a guy he knows and trusts to lead his defense. I think they will have an effect, but if they are making the coaching staff decisions then they might as well appoint themselves HC. If you saw the Raiders under the late Al Davis for the last decade or so, that Head coaching from the front office thing doesn’t work.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 7, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
in the interviews they could of asked if they would keep tucker at DC.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 7, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Thats possible
And if I were a new HC and probably a more offensive minded one, I would want to keep the leader of a top 10 defense around, but who ever is the head coach is one that has to answer for his assistants, so I could understand why someone would want a guy they know.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 7, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
no no
just asked, get an opinion from other coordinators around the league.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 8, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
What if you want Tucker that badly - but only as your DC? We want MJD that badly, but we don't make him HC...yet.
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
If you only want him as your DC then you treat him the same way as we're going to treat Rashean Mathis
Let Tucker scour the league and if he finds a better opportunity then God bless him, take it. But if he feels he is best served in Jax as a DC and sees this as a better opportunity for a HC position in the near future as there will be openings after the 2012 season, then that’s good for us and the defense.
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if the new coach wants him back that is
I think Tucker’s strength is that he is adaptable and plays the part
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There is a point if he is going to get paid a lot more somewhere else
Would you keep your job for $500k when you can do the same job somewhere else for $675k?
by Slawsc on Jan 7, 2012 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He isn't going to have the same salary he had this year regardless of where he ends up.
And to answer your question, not necessarily, if it was in a place I didn’t want to be and hasn’t happy the extra money would be pointless.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 7, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'd really like for us to be able to retain Tucker
And glad Khan said they will move fast when it comes to selecting a H.C. (if it ends up not being Tucker) that way if the organization and the HC want Tucker they can move quickly before some one else hires him.
by Jags85 on Jan 7, 2012 9:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wonder if he already knows he will not be the next HC? or if he is just interviewing to assure he is working next season?
by CoachCowherPlease on Jan 7, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions
Because of uncertainties
You always want to have a backup plan, or job. A brothers gotta eat lol
by Jags85 on Jan 7, 2012 10:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am less impressed with J Gruden after watching the game today than I was before, anyone else?
by CoachCowherPlease on Jan 7, 2012 10:53 PM EST reply actions
Why were you less impressed?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 7, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I know
Dalton DID have a weak game as a whole but this was a rookie starting a playoff game against a good defense. I think the offensive playcalling was solid
"The dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price." -Vince Lombardi
just didn't seem like an exciting or effective gameplan, I realize execution plays into that, but he didn't seem to go away from wasn't working as they got farther and farther behind.. maybe I am being a little too crtitcal..
I just want us to get the right guy, assuming I won’t get my wish (cowher) I guess Chud, to me, would be the better choice. I definitely am not a Mularkey fan.
by CoachCowherPlease on Jan 7, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
the gamplena was really very good
the execution was not. Dalton was exposed for the rookie that he is. It also was a lot on this bengals defense. experienced dalton and better play from bengals d and Cincy wins and you do not question the gameplan
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Alfie, you are the biggest bitch on that post on this site! You act like you are a football god, and criticize everyone's post... everyones!
Why not engage your readers with well thought out intelligent responses instead of saying I am the almighty manager!! wah, wah, wah!! don’t argue with me or I will ban you, did I mention I am the manager of this site.. Get a grip buddy, I said nothing about Cowher in my post, except he is my choice, which is none of your concern.. You are only speculating about every thing you write about the new coach, you have no connection to Khan or Smith and they are not talking, so don’t act like you are this guy who is on the inside on this.. I hope it is Cowher now, so I can laugh in your face. Just like the Jags, we the fans are the reason you have a job writing , so learn to be respectful to those who support you and read your site on a daily basis before you alienate more people like me. like they say opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, but you are one.. go ahead ban me, mr manager.. flex that little muscle
by CoachCowherPlease on Jan 8, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
I don't care.. I will live.. what I said is the truth..
by CoachCowherPlease on Jan 8, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
No matter what my opinions are I respectfully post them, and don't attack others that disagree
by CoachCowherPlease on Jan 8, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Dang Peoples
I only went to bed for a few hours and I missed all this?
by Jags85 on Jan 8, 2012 6:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
" Alfie, you are the biggest bitch on that post on this site! "
you don’t attack others that disagree? so…. what?
Sean
Pax Armis Acquiritur
Show some respect
Give the Guy a break! He was only purporting his opinion on who he wants to be the next coach and because you and Alfie don’t like the message you berate the messenger!! We are all supposed to be Jags fans here, we’re all supposed to support this team and give our opinions, some good some bad, on how to get this team back on the winning track. Snide comments and disrespectful little digs at other fans will only create further dissension. There are a billion different opinions of who our next coach SHOULD be and I think if we polled most fans Tony Dungy would be the top choice but Cowher wouldn’t be far behind. And none of us do know what shad is going to do. I say resepect other’s viewpoints on these things because we are all working to reach the same goal: to see the Jags win a Super Bowl.
by natron-refried-means on Jan 8, 2012 9:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
We were 5 - 11...
It’s time for a clean slate, Mel’s not coming back.
I know I know, the Defense was great this year, that’s not the point.
The point is that the Fans are getting impatient, and sick of losing.
I personally am sick of playing to level of the competition. We need to blow people out, and have actual excitement for this franchise, otherwise there’s not going to be a team in ole Jacksonville anymore…
Sucks to say it, but it’s the truth.
"Mr. Larson: Trying to reach the green from here, Shooter?
McGavin: That's not possible, sir.
Mr. Larson: I beg to differ, Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more than an hour ago.
McGavin: (turning round and seeing Mr. Larson) Well, moron, good for Happy Gilm-OH MY GOSH!! "
by CaptainInsano-25 on Jan 8, 2012 12:05 AM EST reply actions
I vote we win
before we start blowing people out.
I disagree.
Mel Tucker is rising. I would love to see him hired as the Head Coach. I believe all this talk about trying to find someone to help Blaine Gabbert play better, mostly relies on his supporting cast. What if the o-line gave him more time, what if the receivers got open and caught the ball? True we need a different offensive coordinator, but Bill Billechek wasn’t great until Tom Brady started playing great. A new Head Coach isn’t going to turn us into a winner. Good players making good plays will.
by zulu370 on Jan 8, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its personnel on defense not coaching
Gene Smith fixed the roster and any coach could make that veteran defense look good. id like to keep Tucker but if hes gone thats okay. Tyson Alualu was the best DT in that years draft. He is better than Suh. Just watched the game tonight.
Tucker
i personally think we need an attacking offensive mind as our new head coach ……. But i would like it of we would keep Mel as our D C ……. yes we brought in some quality guys for the D in the off-season last year but i like that he built chemistry and respect with the players already ……that makes a big difference
L F J
by Daddycrapper on Jan 8, 2012 2:15 AM EST via Android app reply actions
According to some Fans Tucker didn't do anything it was FA pickups
If he isn’t back that’ll test that theory. Funny how you can say good players made Tucker but Cam, AJ, Dalton, Ryan etc etc didn’t make Chud, Gruden, or Mularkey. Nice double standard.
I think it's a bit harder
to make rookies look good than to make high priced veterans look good. Nothing against Tucker…just a thought.
My bad.
I forgot those coaches don’t have players like Jonathan Stewart, DeAngelo Williams, Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey, Legedu Nanee, Steve Smith; Cedric Benson, Jermaine Gresham, Andre Caldwell,Jerome Simpson; Tony Gonzalez, Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hugh Douglas, Jason Snelling, Micheal Turner. Yeah sorry about that. I forgot those teams are stacked.
I agree
The Panthers had great players everywhere and so did Atlanta. But Mel Tucker is not a HC. His speeches after the game were just not good. He doesnt have the charisma for a HC. He is a smart guy and young too. I hope he stays as DC. Why go coach MINN?? They suck on defense. Maybe he wants to build a new defense to show he iscapable. He wants to be a HC some day.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
And to think, all along, we have been wondering if it is players or plays. - and it was speeches!
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
Lol
The MOST Important quality ALL GM’s and Owners Want and are looking for in a H.C. is his speech-giving ability…if ya can’t get to talkin, ya bes’ get to walkin’! Lol I can imagine that first thing on every Coaches Resume will be his Best Speech, if it ain’t up to snuff, then the Owner/GM will say “Your no Good! We do Not want you! Dont let the door hit your speechless butt on the way out!”
Lol
by Jags85 on Jan 8, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we need Hackman or Pacino, or hell, even Robert Loggia
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