Jay Gruden Not Ready For A Head Coaching Job?
by Alfie Crow on Jan 8, 2012 9:00 AM EST
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PrintThe Jacksonville Jaguars coaching search as it stands has included a handful of offensive coordinators, including Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden. The Jaguars contacted the Bengals for permission to interview Gruden earlier in the week and it was granted, but typically coaches in the playoffs don't interview until their team is eliminated. The Bengals lost to the Houston Texans in on Saturday 31-10, so in the next day or so Gruden should be free to interview.
According to some reports however, Gruden may not feel that he's ready for an NFL head coaching position. This is Gruden's first season in the NFL as a coordinator, having spent most of his career coaching in the Arena Football League and the UFL, but having success in both leagues. The NBC broadcast team noted that Gruden told some media that he didn't feel he was ready for the postion. According to some tweets, this was also reported on First Coast News locally. I did not personally hear or see either however, this is just what I've had multiple people relay to me.
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If this is the case
I really want Gruden…when he’s ready. It takes someone who truly cares about his body of work to turn down a HC job like this. I didn’t care for his lack of NFL experience before, but this is a glimpse into his maturity.
Hearing this now
makes me want the Jags to not get this guy.
What!?
He hasn’t even been in the NFL for a proper offseason. It would seem that he doesn’t want to blow it when he gets his first chance to coach a team. He wants to be fully confident and fully capable. If he doesn’t feel that he is; how can you not respect his honesty?
Would you want a coach
who has been in the NFL for one year?
I respect his honesty because it eliminates him from the conversation.
I wasn’t sure what all the hooblah was about this guy.
maybe he thinks better jobs will open next year
Putting a hell of a lot of faith in Andy Dalton
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They sign coaches
who’ve never coached in the NFL all the time… guys who come straight from college etc…
Let's get Mike Mularkey
Mularkey seems to be an excellent choice, but he doesn’t seem to get the love that the other candidates are getting. With prior head coaching experience, and having spent the past few seasons with the Falcons, one could expect that he would have learned a few things that he would do differently to make his team successful. Besides, Buffalo wasn’t exactly eat up with talent during his brief tenure. He also seems to have done an admirable job in helping to develop Matt Ryan.
Sonny Davis
Falcons are going to lose today
so they should be able to interview him soon
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 8, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
What make Mularkey sucessful
is, good quarterback play, outstanding receivers, and a good running game. If we would have had that, JDR would still be our Head Coach.
I agree
How much of that good play can be attributed to him, we probably can’t pinpoint, but what we do know is that the Falcons have been fairly successful in all of those areas. And while the overall success of a team, or lack thereof, usually falls squarely on the head coach, assistants are usually by-products of that success (or lack thereof). At the very least, they play a significant role.
Sonny Davis
Falcons fans
are BEGGING us, or anyone, to take them off their team.
It's getting to point...
where I’m starting to lose sight of the purpose of the HC. Before, I thought it was to keep the team together with leadership, set the tone of the locker room and practices, assemble a competent staff and manage the games. I see a lot of people here advocate that they want an offensive minded Head Coach but I’ve been wondering if that makes a difference or not. I mean isn’t it the job of the coordinators to organize the individual units and come up with gameplans each week? If it is, wouldn’t it be more prudent to get a coach who can provide the above qualifications that I think a HC would need to be successful? Instead of putting an emphasis on what football philosophy the coach comes from. Not to say that it’s not important, just curious as to how important some of you think it really is.
Hopefully, all of the attributes that you’ve mentioned above are discussed and evaluated during the interview process. It helps, however, to have an area of expertiese. In our case, Khan has indicated that he wants to be a “passing team”, so while it isn’t mandatory, it makes sense to have a head coach that is offensive minded.
Sonny Davis
Not necessarily.
That is why you have an offensive coordinator. If we have pass rush problems do you think we should hire a DL coach, like Cullen as HC. No, you just get a better DL coach.
head coach
sets the gameplan, which the offensive cordinators plan for.
At least I heard a HC say something like that, though I personally don’t know how much this is true at to what extent it varies between locker rooms
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
Can't argue with that.
I wasn’t aware that Khan said that he wants a “passing team”, so now the plethora of offensive coordinators being targeted makes that much more sense to me.
I think on JTW Khan had mentioned something to the effect
that we have the NFL’s Rushing leader but this is a passing league and that we have to get Blaine targets, whether thats via free agency or the draft. He was also asked if the Jags would be “Big Players” in free agency and he pretty much said if Gene and co. have guys targeted that can help the organization they’ll go out and get em
by Jags85 on Jan 8, 2012 11:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He actually said it was critical, but that it "absolutely" did not mean necessary..
It was not my intent to start a rumor, so I went back and re-read the article. I obviously did not pay close enough attention, but here is the article info and quote.
The post on the Jaguars website is “Finding the Right Person” by John Oehser, posted Jan 5.
“Khan also said because the NFL is a passing-oriented, quarterback-driven league, implementing such a style is critical in the coaching search.
"That is absolutely vital," he said.
Khan, who said that "absolutely" did not mean that the permanent head coach must be an offensive coordinator…”
Sonny Davis
Its possible that its just the offensive guys that we have heard so far
Defensive and Special teams’ guys don’t get talked about a lot, unless they talk a lot.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 8, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
great post
Perhaps Gruden has not had enough time in the league to network and make those connections to other coaches and feels that if he hodgepodges his staff he puts his faith in a hell of a lot of guys who may have different agendas.
Do you really think Jason Garrett was able to give any sort of meaningful input into the Rob Ryan hire as his DC?
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Probably not...
in the situation in Dallas with Jason Garrett. I get the impression that Jerry Jones is a “my or the highway” type of person, so Garrett is most likely in a situation where the amount of control he really has is limited to the point where it has a negative impact on how well he could do his job. This is an interesting topic you’ve brought up because I get the sense that Khan isn’t like that. I get the vibe from him that while he’s upfront and decisive, he is simultaneously selfless to an extent. Hopefully I’m right and he won’t tower over our next coach with a dictator demeanor.
With what you said about Gruden, now I’m really concerned about the next guys ability to get a group of coaches that are on the same page. Del Rio never seemed like he could do that.
But since the HC trumps the OC, if the HC does not have an agressive-offense mindset then he can and will handcuff the OC.
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
Well..
Thats just not true at all
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 8, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Jay was on his brothers staff for 7 years
take this fwiw…I was told by someone that knows Jay very well professionally, that Jay will be a better coach than John. Relates to players much better.
That was a moonlighting job while he was QB and during his second coaching sting with the Predators
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Fine by me
Didn’t really want him anyway. I didn’t really think Andy Dalton was that good anyway. Its getting to the point to where do you draw the line with O.C and their success? Is it really them or the QB and the talent around him? I think in some cases its really the O.C and/or QB’s coach that help or hurt a QB, while in other cases its just that the QB is largely overrated/hyped bc of a good receiving corpse, strong run game, and good defense. You have guys like Dalton, Newton, Ryan, Flacco that have done “really good”, but also look at their talent around them. Is it the O.C/QB’s coach or more the talent surrounding them? Then you have someone like Sanchez, who has grossly underperformed with a more-than-decent roster. Is that his fault or Schottenheimer’s (sp?)? My point is the success or unsuccessfulness of a QB/offense really tied to the O.C or do you think it may be a little over-blown?
by Jags85 on Jan 8, 2012 11:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Is he getting too much credit or Blame?
by Jags85 on Jan 8, 2012 11:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dude...
it’s damn there next to impossible to have a difinitive answer to the questions you’ve just posed. The only thing I can say for sure is that a good QB makes the OC look good and a bad quarterback probably wouldn’t do good with the best offensive coordinator directing him. So my answer would be that it’s over blown because a player like Brady, Manning Brees or Rodgers would make any coordinator look good. I will say this though, at the same time, the coaches importance can’t be underestimated because just look at what Jim Harbaugh did this year. I’m not sure how he did it, but he turned Alex Smiths’ career around and that is a testiment to the effect a coach can have on a players career.
And I wasn’t trying to say that its either the coach or the QB bc every single situation is different and unique. The Alex Smith was a good example. There are, ofcourse, countless examples.
by Jags85 on Jan 8, 2012 11:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're right...
there are countless examples. On the opposite end of the Alex Smith situation is the one with Matt Cassel. It’s obvious now that the 11-5 record he led the Patriots to when Brady went down that year overhyped him a lot. So as you said, every situation is different. This is the type of conversation that I think would require a lot of research into the particulars of some of the successful and unsuccessful cases around the league in the past to have an informed opinion. Since no one is going to do that, we get to settle with our speculative opinons.
Lol
Agreed. But I do enjoy hearing others opinions/insights…well most of the time
by Jags85 on Jan 8, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol I think theres always a few that just should Not type. Period.
I’m sure you know a few
by Jags85 on Jan 8, 2012 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont want anyone named Gruden
Jon Gruden is an idiot so is his brother prolly. Dalton has regressed as the season went on and Gabbert will end up twice as good as him so I know why Jay would want to come here. The Bengals wont make the playoffs for 5 years again. They always do this with HC Lewis. he has one decent year to warrant a extension and then hes finished. I like how people think Gabbert sucks but really hes the next best thing in the NFL. Its going to be funny when they realize they have no scouting abilities.
You're obviously not from Orlando
If you’re going to be prejudiced by your opinion of Jon, you’re an idiot.
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Jon Gruden is stupid
He has no scouting ability in him. He took over the Raiders and Tampa bay when they were already complete teams. He sucks and he is a terrible commentator.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we should just hire Mel Tucker as the HC and find a good O.C…Mel has shown alot of good qualities in the time he was interim coach…everybody knows what the Jags need in the offseason….lets just keep it simple before we take too long, lose Mel and have to hire an entirely new coaching staff. Actually all we need is an new OFFENSIVE STAFF.
The problem was Jack and his throw everyone under bus tired ass philosophy.
He’s gone. Now the biggest issue remains on the offense. Find a competent offensive staff. The head coach doesn’t need to be “offensive minded”.
Im tired of the Gabbert perception
The Falcons are making Eli Manning look like a rookie in this game. Everyone talks crap about Gabbert and it is unfair. I cant wait until he is tearing it up next season. People say he has no chance at being good? Do they even watch football? Gabbert did not get hurt so how is he soft? He holds the ball too long? Who is open? Taylor Price?
“Gabbert did not get hurt so how is he soft?”
How are those related?
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
People say that he is scared and soft
He started all 14 games so how is he not tough? Ask Ponder how tough the NFL is. He cracked his shoulderr and got a concussion in his first year.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I see. You equate soft to easily hurt (physically). I think of soft as a mentality – more like the opposite of brave.
Peyton Manning never got hurt, but it wasn’t because he was tough. It was because he was chicken or smart depending on how you look at it.
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
gabbert has the mental ability
He was playing with Chastin West and Jarret Dillard. What dont you understand? nobody knows who those guys are outside of JAX. Thats bad. Not to mention Marcedes had his worst season of his career, he will back next year.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I feel like Alfie now.
What do you mean “What dont you understand?” I am discussing how being “soft” and not getting hurt don’t seem to me to be directly related. I am not bashing Gabbert.
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
Matt Ryan sucks bro
Another ESPN wonder boy who isnt that good. He has talent everywhere and he has 0 points at halftime. What a star player.
here's the stat line of the two games the Jags and the Bengals played against the Texans
WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
8 10/30 @ HOU L 14-24 1 1 10 30 33.3 97 3.2 1 2 1 7 26.7 4 14 3.5 0 1 0
12 11/27 HOU L 13-20 1 1 13 29 44.8 136 4.7 0 1 6 35 44.6 1 1 1.0 0 — —
27-44 23 59 203 1 3 7 42 5 15 1 0
14 12/11 HOU L 19-20 1 1 16 28 57.1 189 6.8 1 0 1 5 89.7 1 2 2.0 0 1 1
18 01/07 @ HOU L 10-31 1 1 27 42 64.3 257 6.1 0 3 4 33 51.4 3 17 5.7 0 1 0
29-51 43 70 456 1 3 5 38 4 19 2 1
(sorry if it came out all screwed up)
basically, this info shows how the team with the brilliant offensive coordinator and spectacular rookie qb with the world’s best rookie receiver did compared to the OC a different team’s fans want run out of town and a rookie qb they’re ready to discard and draft over.
if these offensive showings against a common opponent are supposed to get me excited about this guy as an offensive genius head coach, it’s not working.
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
Gabbert is already better than Dalton
Its a team sport. Look at Matt Ryan. He has talent everywhere and he cant score. Blaine Gabbert will be a beast just like Nwaneri said. Dalton is the one who regressed over the season. Gabbert showed improvement which is all we could ask from the youngest most inexperienced QB in the history of the NFL.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN wonder boy strikes again
Matt Ryan was made out to be amazing and he just isnt. Its all Jones, Turner and White o and tony gonzalez. Cant wait till gene Smith builds the offense up for Gabbert. In my eyes Gabbert is going to be top 10 QB. Your thoughts?
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Top 10 QB doesnt make you HOF
I just have strong feeling about Gabbert being good and it sickens me that the talking heads can bash our QB but when their so called stars stink it up they play mums the word.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
have you ever seen a Jags WR run with the ball after a catch?
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Seen enough of our WR group, but...
still need to see actual production from Gabbert, not talk of possibilities.
Get a guy who can make a play
Watch Lagevision sometimes on Jaguars.com. It tells the whole story
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
You'd think by now he'd be putting up 5,000+ yds passing and over 40 TDs with all those weapons.
But he just isn’t. Out of the more recent QBs drafted Stafford is clearly the best and its not even close. Matty Ice appears to have reached his ceiling. Looking at his career he’s stats have not made the jump you’d expect. That’s not to say he is bad. He’s good but I don’t think he will ever be elite, but who knows.
I haven't seen Stafford play much
but he seems to lob the long throws. Those would be interceptions every time if he didn’t have Megatron.
Stafford is the real deal
But they wouldnt be scoring as much or be in the playoffs without Calvin Johnson and Ive watched a lot of Lions games. He does just throw it up in the air but its because he knows Johnson is out there and not because he always throws it like that.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
like I said…I am basing my opinion on last night’s Saints game. There were multiple occasions where I thought he was giving away an interception only to see Calvin own three DBs to come down with the ball.
reminds me of Schaub
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that's another of the wonder-boy OCs everyone is clamoring for us to hire
first Gruden, now Mularky
both supposedly have incredible offensive weapons, but you’d never know it from how they performed in the playoffs.
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
I wonder
If these two terrible games change the Jags mind. Chudzinski is the best available OC in my mind. I hope he is the choice.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I was pickin CHUDZ as the coach the whole time
I wanted Chudz in week 14 when Cam Newton ran that fumble rooskie play and the FB picked it up and scored a TD. i think he is creative and has that mentality we lookin for. I will trust gene Smith it what ever he does though.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Actually they have bad QB play
Bengals only finished 22nd in offense this year.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Where are all the fruit cakes out there?
I told you guys last week that Blaine Gabbert was already better than Matt Ryan and i was right. Where you guys at to argue with me now?
Can’t really argue with you on this point since you have absolutely nothing objective to go on.
Sean
Pax Armis Acquiritur
ummm How about gabbert would have looked amazing if he had Atlantas WR
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
not objective "not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased"
could’a, should’a, would’a
you’re partially right though, he could have done better with good wr’s. he could have also been the same.
Sean
Pax Armis Acquiritur
Thats a dumb comment by you
A rookie cannot play well with WR that cant catch, run fast or make a move in space. Its a fact. If Gabbert sucked I would tell you and Im always right about QBs.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
nahhhh
you’re just an incomplete troll
you have nothing to back it up except for Ifs and Buts
prove me wrong
give me some facts to back up your wildly inaccurate claims
i’ll be waiting (but not holding my breath. my lungs ain’t so good)
how are you always right about qb’s? anything to back that up too?
Sean
Pax Armis Acquiritur
I'd take Matt Ryan's receiving corpse over ours
And I’ll take Gabbert
by Jags85 on Jan 8, 2012 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you would be out of a job then
Matt Ryan has already peaked and is on his way down. gabbert has improved and has yet to peak.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Truth is
nobody knows how anyone would do with another team’s personnel. Gabbert might get better but I don’t think he’ll be as good as Ryan, maybe as good, but doubt he’ll be better. I hope I’m wrong and agree he needs weapons. Right now there is just no comparison whatsoever.
Not many are worse than matt Ryan
That guy is garbage and he just looks good because of the talent around him. Trust me its hard to play in JAX. WR have been a joke for too long. Its the reason they lost 11 games this year. They had to have been last in YAC this season.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
We lost...
11 games this season just because of the receivers? Yeah right. I don’t care how good of a receiving group we would’ve had, our record still wouldn’t have been much better than what it was. Maybe we win a game or two more but we still wouldn’t have made it to the playoffs, so the record still wouldn’t have mattered. Now that it’s all said and done, I’ll take the 5-11 with a Top 10 over 7-9 or 8-8, no playoffs and a pick between 14-20 in the draft.
Look at all the close games
If the QB was experienced they would have won those games but since Gabbert was a rookie they needed some star power on the outside and they didnt have it. Once gabbert is experienced he would be able to play with those guys. Garrard prolly would have led them to the playoffs this year if he was healthy.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Im excited for the Jags to interview Mike Mccoy
His play calling has been outstanding. Plus they were number 1 in rush offense. His passing routes are unique and thats what we need. Some unpredictability. That was Koetters problem.
Have you watched this half?
Denvers WR run routes Ive never even seen run in the NFL before. We need a dynamic offense and something new with variety thats why I like Chudzinski as well.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I know
I just do nothing but watch football every sunday and without watchin the Jags I have to blog about their offseason.
by childintime12 on Jan 8, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Big Ben is not a HOF
The Steelers are always good and he won Super Bowls because of the teams play. Brady, brees, Kurt Warner and Peyton Manning HOF. Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers both maybes and Big Ben should never go. hes above average and thats it.
Opinion noted...
however, Ben will make it into the HOF for the same reason Brady gets into the HOF. Super Bowl wins. Time will tell if he’s first ballot or not.
Pittsburg is luckiest team of all time
Im so sick of them getting lucky. Big Ben throws the ball backwards and its not a fumble. Champ Bailey of all people drops an INT. Screw Big Ben hes shouldnt be in the Hall.
I guess there luck has run out.
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill
I agree
Every good QB throughout the history of the NFL did not succeed in their first season. If you do it means you are peaking right at that moment. ESPN builds up these guys because they play well as rookies, so what? They end up sucking a year or two later. Garrard was better than Gabbert because he was 29 when he took over as starter. This isnt the NBA. Age is important for a QB. He was the most inexperienced QB to ever start as a rookie and he improved. Dalton and Newton regressed as the season went on.
by childintime12 on Jan 9, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Since nobody has posted it yet
Tania tweeted yesterday that this statement
"The NBC broadcast team noted that Gruden told some media that he didn’t feel he was ready for the postion. "was NOT TRUE.
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
phantom report. NBC never even said that RT @washufisi: Tania, any truth to the rumor Gruden says that he “is not ready” to be a head coach?
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