Paul Vance May Have Been Fired For Contract Mishap
by Alfie Crow on Jan 9, 2012 12:06 PM EST
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PrintThe Jacksonville Jaguars dismissed long-time vice president of football operations Paul Vance today, in a move that was surprising to quite a few media members. It shouldn't have been all that shocking with a new owner, but ESPN's Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter might have found out one the reasons for Vance's firing: Some Jaguars assistant coaches are disputing the working in their contracts (of which Vance handles) to the tune of $3.5 and $4 million.
The seven assistants had signed extensions in 2010 and the club believed it was for two years that would expire at the end of the 2011 season. However, the applicable clause in dispute states, "shall terminate on the later of January 31, 2012 or the day after the Jaguars' last football game of the 2012 season and playoffs..."
Consequently, the assistant coaches want to be compensated for the 2012 season, especially if they remain unemployed. Those coaches' specific names have not been confirmed.
Vance, who was dismissed Sunday as the team's senior vice president of football operations and general counsel, called it an incorrect reference and that it "should have read the 2011 NFL season." Vance termed it an error and "there was no intent on your part or our part of the club to establish a contract for the 2012 season," according to a correspondence acquired by ESPN that was sent to the coaches.
Yeah, that's kind of a big "whoops" and it's no surprise the unnamed assistant coaches are disputing the contract.
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If that is the wording
I do not see how they are not legally entitled to compensation for the upcoming season
"The dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price." -Vince Lombardi
Me either
I thought the new calendar year didn’t start til March
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
by unhipcat on Jan 9, 2012 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Belay my last
“after the 2012 season”
Big oops
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
by unhipcat on Jan 9, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because it's a very big oops
It should’ve read. “last football game of the 2011 season and playoffs”.
Okay, somebody in the Big East has made this necessary. "BC" in my nickname references the icon. I AM NOT A BOSTON COLLEGE FAN.
Now he will start his own Refrigeration company.
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by Hellveto on Jan 9, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Vanca can bob and weave all he wants, but contract law is an SOB
I hope he didn’t have a hand in writing the lease agreement with the city.
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or then again, I guess I hope he did!
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Especially if he fudged the 2nd digit in the end year
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another thing to think about
If this is true, these coaches get their money regardless. May see a lot of them dive to the college ranks or take downgrades with the team and the coaches themselves knowing they’re getting money for nothing.
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It also means they can't take any other jobs
without quitting and therefore forfeiting the money.
The only way these coaches get paid for nothing is if the team actually fires them.
which is likely going to happen soon anyway.
What are they going to do, work the ticket office, be Oesher’s personal assistant, Jaxson de Ville’s zip line attendant?
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They’ve all been released, already. They won’t have to quit and will be paid regardless.
They can take other NFL jobs, but what the Jaguars owe them will be offset by what they’re making.
Makes you wonder if they handled the Garrard release properly from a back of the house perspective.
not to mention all those injury settlements. This is an egregious error and shows that there was not much in the way of checks and balances at the top.
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Agreed
I always wondered if the team was well run on the business side by Weaver’s team, especially after Garrard’s release. This doesn’t help the impression I got.
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by DownTownJax on Jan 9, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the team was well run on the business side
I really doubt we’d have been in the ticket situations we’ve been in. Khan said something last week that stuck with me and I kind of wonder if there was a little bite behind it, something to the effect of “Wayne Weaver was a patient man. He’s a better man than me in that regard.” Wonder if Weaver was a bit too trusting of his veeps.
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I caught that too.
I took it initially as he was referring to how long Weaver stuck with Coughlin and Del Rio as the HC. But what you’re saying makes sense too.
Injury settlements
were made necessary by the sheer number of guys placed on IR. You can have a maximum of 80 players between the 53 man roster, 8 Practice Squad and IR. So, if you need more than 19 guys on IR you need to either reduce the active roster or PS, or come to injury settlements with guys already on IR.
you didn't catch my flow
I was talking more from the making sure they had the verbiage correct. I understand why injury settlements were necessary.
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Ok
I didn’t realize they’d all been released.
Actually, not sure I understand why they’d be released if the team thought their contracts had run their course.
How in the world did nobody in the building notice the year on the contract???
That is just awful, awful work. There is no QC done? No second set of eyes to glance at Vance’s work when its all done – just to avoid this exact scenario?
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totally agree, probably should have been Weaver, right?
Thing is, NFL contracts are not that complex. Typically a 1 page deal. Have a buddy who did this for another NFL team for a few years and he said the only ones that were more than 1 page were for the HC and a star player or 2. Most are stock.
I’m really glad for the coaches that they or their lawyers caught this. Now, sadly for the holdovers from Weaver, they are going to be the victim of more intense scrutiny.
I’m tellin ya, Ray Anderson Team President. Needs to happen…
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Pardon my ignorance but....
who is Ray Anderson?
works in the league office, NFL VP of Ops
word is some teams are looking at him to square away their front office. By virtue of Khan’s indoctrination into the NFL, I think a guy on the inside would be a great hire.
http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34115933
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Thanks for the info...
and it sounds like a guy that really knows his stuff and is on the ball.
all he needed was the phrase "whichever occurs first."
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Not True
IF we made the playoffs, they would have been off contract at the start of the Playoffs leaving us without coaches. He put in the later clause to prevent this, but totally screwed up in the process. I can’t see why they didn’t put specific dates. Good riddance.
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by DownTownJax on Jan 9, 2012 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wouldn't that be some shit?
kinda like the World Cup a few years back when I think it was Togo said they would refuse to play til their pay was guaranteed.
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why sign them for millions when we can sign them for billions?
“contracts”
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by Joe Fisher on Jan 9, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Dr. Evil
Dr. Evil: You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads! Now evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that that cannot be done. Ah, would you remind me what I pay you people for, honestly? Throw me a bone here! What do we have?
Number Two: Sea Bass.
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Number Two: They’re mutated sea bass.
Dr. Evil: Are they ill tempered?
Number Two: Absolutely.
Dr. Evil: Oh well, that’s a start.
Typical
Seems to me there were a lot of bogus employees in this franchise. Still one more to fire.
I need my meds.
I will try...
Contract not written properly.
Coaches paid extra.
Coaches very happy.
Paul Vance embarrassed.
Jaguars embarrassed.
The Stache of Khan furious.
Stache of Khan eliminatePaul Vance (Mortal Kombat style)
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