2012 NFL Free Agency: Rule Out the Jacksons
In most cases, I'm not a fan of generalizing players that general manager Gene Smith will or won't bring in to the team based on his brief history as the head man in charge of the Jaguars. Assumptions that he only likes small school guys, team captains, seniors, collegiate production, among other beliefs are based on too small of a sample size to hold any definitive merit.
However, Smith's belief in finding character football players has extended beyond his drafts and has included every player he has acquired in free agency or waivers. Well over 100 players have come through Jacksonville in hopes of wearing a teal jersey on Sundays and not a single one of those players has been arrested or even involved in actions that could be considered concerning.
Smith has gone on record to say that he wants character guys on the Jaguars and has made it very clear with his actions that he intends to do so. For those reasons, it seems highly unlikely to me that the Jaguars would have interest in either Vincent Jackson of the Chargers or DeSean Jackson of the Eagles if they were to reach free agency.
There's always a reason that a top free agent is reaching the open market rather than staying with their original team. Wide receivers like Larry Fitzgerald of the Cardinals and Andre Johnson of the Texans have signed huge contracts with their respective teams to ensure that they never leave. Still, some high-quality players do hit the open market and teams can often take advantage.
But when players like DeSean Jackson and Vincent Jackson reach the free agency market, it's notable that one of the major reasons they will (assuming that they do, which is not assured) is because of their personal issues beyond the game of football itself.
Vincent Jackson was arrested in January of 2006 for driving under the influence, to which he pleaded guilty. Three years later in January of 2009 he was arrested for suspicion of drunken driving to which he also pleaded guilty. In January of 2010 he was cited by an officer for driving with expired tags and a suspended liscense. The final charge was the straw that broke the camel's back apparently, and earned him a three game suspension for violating the league's personal conduct policies.
Because of his legal issues the Chargers have been hesitant to give Jackson a long-term contract and could be ok with allowing the two-time Pro Bowler to reach free agency. Bear in mind that not a single player brought in by Gene Smith has been arrested while in Jacksonville or even elsewhere since leaving the Jaguars.
DeSean Jackson may not have the legal issues that Vincent Jackson does, but his attitude problems may be even worse. His 2011 season alone included him being deactivated for a game against the Cardinals for missing a special teams meeting, a $10,000 fine and a 15-yard personal foul penalty for flipping a ball at Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell and being deactivated for the entire fourth quarter against the Patriots.
Whether or not the Jaguars should consider allowing a character like Vincent or DeSean Jackson into Jacksonville is certainly something that can be debated. Whether or not Gene Smith would actually pull the trigger on players such as these, is a rather one-sided debate given his personnel history. As far as I'm concerned, these two players can be ruled out as candidates for the Jaguars.
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I want DeSean Jackson.
I couldnt care less about his “attitude”.
However, I agree it is unlikely we get him.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
Why don't we wait
until those guys actually hit free agency before we waste a lot of time talking about them ? I’d be shocked of Bowe or Stevie Johnson leave their teams.
you could say the same thing about the draft too
Why even engage in hypothetical things that may or may not happen?
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We aren't going to see...
Bowe or S. Johnson make it to FA their teams won’t let it happen. Same is true for both Jacksons despite issues. If they were on our team would you want them to make it to FA?
Jackson cant be tagged
unless the rules changed with the CBA , but i know you couldn’t tag a player 2 yrs in a row before, cause my madden franchise wouldn’t let me, i think bills sign stevie long term
ec DUVAL
I think Laurent Robinson blows.
Sure, hes fast. So why has he been traded by the Falcons and released by the Rams and Chargers?
No, thank you.
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Colston has the best chance to make it to FA and I would love the Jags to get him...
wouldn’t mind picking up Wayne with the “right” deal.
I want him too. He is an awesome talent.
by JagSoldier on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gene Smith is gonna sign DE Mario Williams & Cliff Averil, and WR Steve Johnson in Free Agency. Then, he’s gonna trade back in the draft, and grab Alshon Jefferies!!!
Steve Johnson has his own attitude issues
if attitude really is going to remain as one of the more important determining factors, rule Stevie Johnson out as well.
"The dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price." -Vince Lombardi
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Remember when Stevie Johnson blamed God for him dropping the game winning catch against the Steelers?
Classic.
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Or when he mocked the Jets by doing the Jet celebration after scoring a TD earlier in a game against the Jets...
and then dropping the game winning touchdown.
Classic.
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Dude picks the absolute worst times for his drops
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 1, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
is there a good time for drops?
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not even then
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No
But if have to have them, drives at the end of games are the worst
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 2, 2012 6:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think he's a bad guy, and I would be happy if we signed him.
He is just a silly guy who sometimes let’s his mouth write checks his abilities haven’t cashed…at least not yet.
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well, what can you do if god wants you to drop a pass?
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
Let's put that twitter post in conext; here's his sobering press conference after that game winning drop
This was before the twitter post; I think he show’s that he’s :
1-manning up and taking responsibility for his play
2-understands his team put him in a position to win and he didn’t deliver
3-may have used this to motivate himself
4-communicates without a filter
5-has passion
I think it just as dumb when players think god made them win
i doubt god is playing fantasy football
ec DUVAL
The "I don't care about how I represent my team or my profession" issue
I like touchdown celebrations. I don’t like players that openly make a mockery of a singled out player for his past, especially a guy that doesn’t even play on the field at the same time.
I’m not against making fun of Plaxico, but as an NFL player calling him out on something that has nothing to do with football to include pretending to shoot himself in the leg in front of all those kids? Tasteless. If he want’s to get paid like a big boy, he should start acting like it.
Just because he didn’t get arrested or call up ESPN over a new contract doesn’t mean he has no attitude issues.
Then, you were really upset about Maurice Jones-Drew’s Lebron celebration in Cleveland? He’s got attitude issues, by your definition.
I wasn't aware Lebron went to jail for mishandling a weapon
Or that MJD pantomimed his hand as a gun in front of thousands of little kids watching. ;)
Understand what you’re saying, but I still see a difference. The difference is that what MJD did wouldn’t piss me off if my daughter saw it.
If you’re honestly upset about your daughter seeing a player pantomiming shooting themselves in the foot, I really don’t know what to tell you.
Not only that, but the fact that 99% of the kids “watching” will have no idea what he’s doing or why he’s doing it.
Hmm
I wouldn’t have been so pissed that I would have started writing letters or anything, violence is everywhere and you’re probably right about most kids.
It’s the fact that he’s willing to put his joke above everything else, when he’s supposed to be a professional, the role model. To me, that’s enough to say issue. Attitude problem? I wouldn’t go that far, but definitely an issue. It wasn’t even the last time he did it.
I did just come across this though: http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2012/01/30/stevie-to-put-end-to-td-displays/ . Shows that at least now, he’s handling it with class and recognizing it was a mistake. Maybe I can give him a break.
I really hate role model comments as they pertain to athletes
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by Joe Fisher on Feb 1, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At both
Why? The NFL, their boss, makes money off of them being regarded as role models. That’s the way they’re sold. That, in turn, is part of what we buy, and why they make the money they do. It’s not all of it, nor do I think they are more of a role model than an athlete, but I believe anyone in the public eye has a civic right not to be a douche bag, especially something like an athlete is impressionable to some. Maybe not all, but enough for it to matter, IMO.
Holding them beneath these standards is part of what I blame society’s douche bag attitude on.
I really hate the whole role model concept
Be yourself, stop looking for someone to emulate
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 2, 2012 7:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd say he is a little foolish at times
but not an attitude problem at all.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 1, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
None taken
Has nothing to do with my personal beliefs in anything other than being a professional. I’d like to keep the image of role models in tact. I suppose the combination of the disregard he had for who was watching and sportsmanship just really rubbed me the wrong way. When I see stuff like that (no matter how funny) I can’t help but feel like the guy just pissed all over everything being a role model and a professional football player means.
I hear you, but for me the problem is when people look at these athletes as "Role Models".
They are just good at sports. They are not necessarily good people (or bad people), just famous. I want my son to look to myself, my wife, and people I respect as role models. He and I will cheer these guys on, but I will never hold them up as role models.
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You've got the right idea.
But unfortunately, kids will idolize who they decide to, especially if they don’t have good parents teaching them how to recognize who to emulate.
Atheletes are advertised as role models. You think all these guys want to be spending so much of their free time with charities? We have one of the most pro-active community teams in the league, despite being among the youngest. I’m sure there’s a few other perks with businesses and advertising, but the biggest advertisement is how much of a role model the player is. Kudos to those players for actually spending they’re time, btw.
Considering every little kid watching football dreams of being a pro player at one point or another, I’d say being an athlete is handcuffed to being a role model.
Valid points.
I mostly blame the type of society we’ve become, where idiots like the Khardashians and Jersey Shore and other morons are given attention.
Hopefully, we can get some playmakers who will stay out of trouble off the field.
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not now chief im in the F***** zone
haha classic
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 2, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, so your saying..
That because they do charity work, they are trying to convince you they are role models? Is it possible that they just want to do something for people less fortunate, especially considering a lot of them come from less than desirable circmstances.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 2, 2012 7:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In no way bastardizing the charity work or the fact that they do it
But much of the charity work is Jaguars, not individuals (like kick for kids, etc.).
In response to your “stop looking for people to emulate” comment, you realize were talking about kids, right? Kids learn how to become individuals by making a big stir fry of all the influences and role models that have impacted their life. To simply say kids should figure things out for themselves instead of trying to emulate someone else is pretty easy to say; as is simply saying it’s the parent’s responsibility (one of those true but unrealistic mindsets). But is it fair to just tell kids they shouldn’t emulate their heroes? Kids WILL ALWAYS look at athletes as heroes, whether it’s right or not.
Let me offer an alternative example, the military. Most people, adults included, look at the military as heroes because of the great things that they do. Their job isn’t to get out there and help foundations or raise money (similiar to the charity work that the NFL does), it’s to protect our country. They do these things because A. It’s a good thing to do and B. It maintains’ our perspective.
If you’ve ever been at the nearest enlisted club or strip club to pendleton, lejuene, etc., you’d know that there aren’t exactly a lot of role models. But what you do know, is that when you see them in public (outside the bars), especially when the attention is fixed on them, they act proper, respectful, dressed nice…whatever. When they go home they can be who they want to be, but they have a certain conduct they are held to otherwise. It’s living up to the name, setting the example…and they don’t get paid millions of dollars to do it. It’s a civic duty.
These athletes are getting paid in the hundreds of thousands, and the best ones get paid in the millions. Part of being an athlete is knowing that kids will look up to you and want to be who you are. We can play they should or shouldn’t be role models all day long, but like it or not the kids will look at them as role models. Because of that, just like the military, they should be held to a higher standard. Right or wrong, they WILL influence the next generation.
I mean, are you really arguing that someone with an impact on our youth should simply be able to act however they want no matter who’s watching? Is it really so hard for these guys to behave themselves? Is it too much to ask? The guys in the military are actually YOUNGER by average. I’m not asking for more charity, or appearances or nice tweets or even make a wish visits…I’m not asking them to be a role model…I only ask that they behave like respectfully and with sportsmanship…that they are aware that some people will look to them as role models. Too much? For hundreds of thousands of dollars a year plus I should hope not.
I wouldn't consider that an attitude issue so much as highly inflated opinion of himself...
and what top rated WR doesn’t?
I don't think he has attitude issues.
I just think he is a show off. Not a bad thing if you can back it up.
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Vincent Jackson
I did not realize he had so many arrests… Honestly, I thought he was just always pissed at the Chargers front office. I never labeled him as a “bad character” guy. Well, scratch him off the list!
Ummm
I think DeSean Jackson’s “attitude problems” is due to him being immature. Although he’s 25, he reminds me of an 18 year old. He’s full of life, and likes to have fun. He wants to get payed, I would want the money too, though just playing in the NFL would be enough for me. But most people would want that money bad for you and your family. The taunting foul, is something that almost every person I play football with, would do. Everybody is cocky, and that’s just how it is. I like Jackson, but I doubt he’ll be on this team.
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I think he would be a bad fit.
DeSean is bad at shielding his emotions. If Blaine were to come out and stink it up, DeSean wouldn’t be able to hide how unhappy he was. Imagine how that would make Gabbert feel and it might hinder his development.
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Plus him and Scobee(if he is retained) would have a heavyweight brawl.
Well maybe lightweight…
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Scobee is actually like 210
but what do you mean, if he is retained?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 1, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
So they are letting him walk?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 1, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
If Gabbert is so weak minded
that Jackson can rattle him then he is a bust. Jackson is an elite talent IMO. Gabbert would only benefit from him being here. I do not worry about his antics because this isnt the Eagles. The character of this team is infectious and I truely believe it would run off onto anybody who joins it.
by JagSoldier on Feb 1, 2012 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
History kind of suggests
Negativity is what is infectious, and a negative guy in a positive locker room splits sides.
I don’t agree with dubz, but I don’t think bringing Jackson in is a good idea, let alone think it would somehow make Gabbert even…better?
T.O., Moss, Ochocinco…so many examples. Not even Don McNabb could manage TO, Ochocinco punched his coordinator out and the only guy that could manage Moss was Tom Brady, but mostly because his golden arm was able to feed him the ball as much as Moss wanted it.
i think drinking and driving is a big difference from Deseans attitude problems on the field
V Jax can ball and he doesn’t bring the drama to the field like desean
Teach me how to Deji
So, just to clarify, you feel that DUIs are no sweat...
but flipping the ball at an opponent on the sideline after a huge play is a deal breaker?
Okay.
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Hey, if he wasn't careful....
He could have killed himself or someone else with that reckless ball. Whew, crises averted!
This comment is not savvy
V Jax = drama. It’s been one Broadway show after another out here in SD…starring Vincent Jackson
by JohnnyBiceps on Feb 1, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you want to know the 3 words I hate?
Resolve
Swagger
Dynamic
Seriously, I had a meeting yesterday, me, 2 of my coworkers and my boss, the comptroller. One of my coworkers who knows nothing but tries to use $5 words to make her sound smart, after I was talking to the boss about a way to better track costs, said, “yes, we feel that this strategy will be a dynamic initiative.”
I got up and left the meeting at that point.
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It is a problem on the field..
when you can’t play or practice for a quarter of the season
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 1, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
If we can't have DeSean, can we get Samuel L.? We can serve Samel Jackson Ale.
“It’ll get you drunk, b—ch!”
“You’ll be f—-ing fat girls in no time!”
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ahhh, Navy days.
Spent way too much time at Capn Odies.
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yes
We used to have hoggin’ contests. Had a huge pair of panties hanging up in front of sickbay on our ship along with a group photo of about 5 of us.
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and they got it...
with the condition that they had to be out of the trailer by 3 am.
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What are you talking about?
Most of the fat girls he’s talking about came from the army ;)
Can they put something into a contract where
every time you get a “foolish” personal foul(like taunting), or get arrested, or skip a meeting, you take a involuntary pay cut?
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That should be in all contracts.
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 1, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Be careful with this kind of thinking
You can’t possibly regulate something like that to be fair. In a perfect world, you’re right. No way to handle it diplomatically when guys start getting paycuts but not others.
Example: what if it’s incidental? I think the huge amounts of fine money would be more harsh, especially for the roster bubble guys, as it is. So then you get into this fine but not that fine. And then you get Suh stepping on a helmet but that was an “accident”. Now everything’s way too complicated over something supposed to be productive.
What if it’s a top guy, in a contract year? What if you wanted to bring him back, but he’s got an issue with the coach for filing the paperwork? Now you loop right back around to the situation we’re already in. Talent vs precedence. I bet if Suh had gotten cut for that stomp, you wouldn’t see that behavior out of him again, or many else for that matter.
I don’t know if I have a solution, but the issue is social conditioning, not regulations. Dunno if you’re old enough for that old lady who burnt her lap with coffee from mcdonalds and got a huge million dollar law suit. The court ordered Mcdonalds to now give a warning that “the coffee is hot”, and the lids had to be adjusted so people could set cups between their legs, while they’re driving, and not get burnt. That action caused flocks to suddenly take the same action, and now we live in a world where people who break into other people’s house and get hurt can sue.
Conditioning and precedence, but not regulations.
I know about that lady...
…but if you get a dui, you should take a big pay cut
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 1, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well, arrests ( and more to the point, convictions) get you suspended, and
suspensions mean losing paychecks. So, in a way, you do get a pay cut.
Also, if you are convicted multiple times your NFL prospects with most teams are pretty much dead, so your salary declines exponentially.
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well...
…8 mil contract, say 500k a game, and hes suspended for 1 week, i say take a mil away…make these players learn the hard way.
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 1, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Again, ideal
But there’s no cookie-cutter to apply to all players. Too many variables. Let me put it to you this way…should a regular employee lose a dollar an hour for getting a speeding fine? No…that’s the purpose of a speeding fine. Maybe, MAAAYBE a delivery guy, but if he gets too many he’ll lose his job.
Either way it should be up to the discretion of the coach, who actually knows if the guy is an assbag or not, not the NFL rules committee. Don’t take bread off a man’s table for the same thing twice.
Character counts with Gene and it makes me proud to be a Jaguars fan. I would hate it if the organization ever turned into a bad boy refugee camp.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Feb 1, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions
Very savvy article Adam
It is clear you’re a savvy writer. Vincent Jackson is not savvy in the ways of substance abuse, nor is he savvy with the media and fan perception. Shad Khan is savvy a business man, he wouldn’t scratch game checks to V Jax.
I Think Its Known
That I’m one of Desean Jackson’s biggest fans. But my unweighted opinion of his situation is that I would be reacting the same way. He may be a little immature, but thats never been a problem before now, as the Eagles refused to pay him during the season.
As long as a team pays him, I believe he’ll stay motivated. He’s not a Carlos Rogers, he loves to make plays too much.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
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He was gettin'
paid. He quit on his team He’s a punk! He doesn’t deserve to stand next to MJD in a Jags uniform.
For his Impact
Over the past few seasons, Jackson was grossly underpaid.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Ahhh man..
now I have throw away all of this “The Jackson 2” material..lol, This should have been obvious to anyone who follows the Jags.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 1, 2012 5:53 PM EST reply actions
Hope gene likes not being a GM if he doesn’t get some play makers
by bdk790 on Feb 1, 2012 6:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hope gene likes not being a GM if he doesn’t get some play makers
by bdk790 on Feb 1, 2012 6:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I understand not having bad character guys, but i don’t understand 33rd ranked QB rating and 40+ drops in a season, with the highest reception total being near 40 catches.
NFL is football, 80% if more have smoked weed and done bad things in there life. Our roster has lacked skill positions for about a decade. Football is not made up of choir boys, and our “almost pro bowlers” led us to a 5-11 record. Let’s bring Desean Jackson in with Colston and see what happens, can’t be any worse then what we have had.
but but but
Think of all the puns with having a Jackson in Jacksonville
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The Problem with our Wide recievers is that they're never wide open and they have trouble receiving the ball...
by TheTealDeal on Feb 1, 2012 6:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree Gene drafts high character guys
Maybe that’s why our WRs are the worst.
High character WRs are like hen’s teeth. All the best ones are batsh*t cray with giant egos.
Burress, Bryant, Britt, Baldwin, TO, OchoCinco, Jacksons, Ward, Simpson, etc., maybe WR is a position Gene needs to rethink our stance because maybe a bit of swagger and attitude is what’s needed at the position. It’s a mental position for sure.
What could of happened; did.
Actually..
The BEST ones (Fitzgerald, C. Johnson, A. Johnson), don’t.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 2, 2012 7:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Those 3 are rare..
If this were 4 years ago the top WR’s would have been
Terrell Owens
Randy Moss
both “trouble” guys..
They are rare talent wise
But idk about the character thing, Roddy White, Wes Welker, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Marques Colston, Miles Austin, Hakim Nicks, Reggie Wayne, A. Boldin, and Dewayne Bowe, all seem to be pretty good WRs without any huge character issues.
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