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Jaguars Can Roll Over Cap Room

There has been concern raised by some fans with the amount of cap room that the Jacksonville Jaguars will have entering the 2012 offseason. The most recent projection showed the Jaguars with about $17 million in cap room, but as I mentioned before you shouldn't worry. Not only does this projection not include likely salary dumps, but it also didn't include this nugget from the newest CBA.

Under Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) of the CBA, each team may carry over any remaining cap room from one year to the next by submitting written notice, signed by the owner of the team, to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year. The written notice must indicate the maximum amount of cap room that the team wishes to shift from one cap year to the next.

Many have complained about the Jaguars lack of spending in 2011, entering the season and playing through it with about $30 million in cap room. As of November of 2011, the Jaguars had $32.9 million in cap room, the most of any team in the NFL. Under the new guidelines, the Jaguars can apparently choose to move all or part of that remaining cap number onto the 2012 cap.

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So if I read that right

They can shift the 32 million to this year if they wanted and add it to the 17 million or so? Then they could get up to the cap? That would allow us to sign two WRs and a starting DE and a solid CB or OT

by Dwalk1217 on Feb 12, 2012 12:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Cap room

So would it be that we have almost 50 million in cap space?

17m + the 39m from last year = 50m

If so, let the Cash-uars begin

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by TheTealDeal on Feb 12, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

32m*

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by TheTealDeal on Feb 12, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Gene’s about to make Mario Wililams, Carl Nicks, Dwayne Bowe, Steve Johnson, Marques Colston, Brent Grimes and Josh Scobee very rich men. ;)

Yes, that is my wish list.

by Sourwine on Feb 12, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

Oh yeah

Dwight Lowery. Forgot about him.

by Sourwine on Feb 12, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

While these players would be nice, I’m not sure we would want to sign this many big contracts in one year. If we did this, then next year we would have almost no cap room left and could be in big trouble!!

by MJDforHOF!!! on Feb 12, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Starting the following year, (if I’m reading the rules correctly), you can’t really have much cap room. You have to spend up to floor.

If they shift the 32 million from this year to the 17, or so, for next year, plus add the expected cuts, the Jags could be looking at $55-$60 million in free cap space. That’s a LOT of money.

Assuming my math is relatively close. As this is an Alfie post, I’m sure he keeps track of replies and will correct any math mistakes.

by Sourwine on Feb 12, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

im pretty sure that roll over rule only realisticlly applies for this year

considering after this year you have to spend up to the cap. there wont be alot of money to roll over in that case. but i could be wrong about that but thats how i read it. so idk if going wild would be smart because we could end up hurting ourselves in the long run

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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 12, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

True, we can possibly have $55-60 million in free cap space this year, but that is only because we can shift up to $32 million from last year. Next year, assuming we spend to our cap this year, we would have little money left over to shift to next year, and thus our cap would be around the normal cap.

We would have to structure deals so that a lot of the free agent’s money is paid this year so that we can manage with the same players but less money next year. I’m sure most free agents won’t mind getting paid a lot this year, but its also dangerous for the team to put that much money into a player’s first year.

However I could also be misinterpreting this process, so who knows! As long as the Jags pick up a few high-profile free agents I will be happy!

by MJDforHOF!!! on Feb 12, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed with the front-loading.

by Sourwine on Feb 12, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

nice wish list

but no way we could possibly haul all those guys. you really think one of those receivers would sign on to be a #3

by duvaljag on Feb 12, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Money Money Money

Get the shopping cart ready, cause we going on a shopping spree! Cha-Ching!

by AJ3223 on Feb 12, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Realistically

We can land Nicks and/or Williams Grimes and some good WRs. Sounds wonderful

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by Thunder64 on Feb 12, 2012 12:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ill take Williams, Grimes, a #1 WR, A Manningham/Meachem

then in the draft get Coples, a future LT and a third speed WR. Oh and that Missouri TE in the 4th would be good too.

by Dwalk1217 on Feb 12, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

Quick Jags Offseason...

Free Agency:
Mario Williams DE Houston
Brent Grimes CB AtlantaToo much.
Demetrius Bell OT Buffalo
Marques Colston WR New Orleans
Mario Manningham WR New York Giants

Draft:
1. Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
2. Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina
3. Joe Adams WR Arkansas
4. LaMichael James RB Oregon
5. BJ Cunningham WR Michigan State
6. Rhett Ellison TE USC

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by rhettchrystal on Feb 12, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

I agree...

This seems like a realistic offseason. I’m pretty high on Colston, and Williams would be awesome! This would take of any needs at DE, RT, WR and CB, plus give us some talent to work with. The only part I’m undecided about is Coples; I could still see us taking Reiff. But overall this seems very plausible!

by MJDforHOF!!! on Feb 12, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Point

This is a good point. If the Jags think Britton is going to stay healthy and play well, and we got a guy like Bell in FA, it seems unlikely that we would also draft Reiff. I think FA will go a long ways in determining who we draft.

by MJDforHOF!!! on Feb 12, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Love affair with Britton

Someone please explain the love affair this fanbase has with Britton. He’s a walking injury and on the rare times when he’s “healthy” his game blows. Folks hes just not that good. Cut bait and move on for the love of god

by OGN on Feb 12, 2012 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Indeed, it is.

I think the majority of people only reserve a small amount of hope that he can be the guy Gene drafted him to be. Granted, he had his struggles but it’s not entirely out of the question that he could become a staple in the line as he was drafted to be. None of his injuries were related, so it’s not like his injury issues can’t be overcome.

by kjones407 on Feb 12, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely agree

I don’t think anyone is counting on him but he should still be on the roster as at least a depth guy, imo.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 13, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the list too, except I’m not a fan of Manningham at all… and I don’t think you’ll get a good CB for less than ‘too much’. It’s just too valuable a position in today’s NFL.

Plus, I’d make a real run at Carl Nicks from NO.

by Sourwine on Feb 12, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Its not that i dont like Manningham i just feel there are better options then him in FA

by Jags85 on Feb 12, 2012 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I like him as a #2...

…and Norman can start at CB if needed.

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by rhettchrystal on Feb 12, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Mine would be along the lines of

Williams
Carr
Colston
Manningam
Bell
Draft-
1.Coples
2.Norman
3.Streeter
4.James or Hillman
5.Broyles (too talented to pass up due to 1 injury)
6.Hurst OL LSU

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by Thunder64 on Feb 12, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Why Norman in the 2nd?

There will be #2 WR in the second round.. let take advantage of this..

Josh Norman might be a good CB, but if he falls to the 3rd then we can take him. Taking Norman in the 2nd is over valuing him. Take the WR in the second, lets get an Offense in Jacksonville!!

by bdk790 on Feb 12, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Norman is a good value in the 2nd.

Out of the WRs that could be there assuming there is no Sanu or Floyd I would consider Criner, Jones, or McNutt to be viable options. Why not take Norman and then Streeter in the third therefore taking 2 good players instead of getting one WR and then missing out on Norman

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by Thunder64 on Feb 12, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

norman is good but hes not a cant miss prospect

hes by no means a gurantee at CB and his value is no greater than the WR that would be there in the second. why not take a Criner or McNutt in the second and get a dwight bentley or brandon boykins in the third?

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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 12, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

he's a close guarentee

the guy is very good in coverage.

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by rhettchrystal on Feb 12, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

if he was a close gurantee

he would be a first round pick

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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 12, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

He might be a 1st round pick.

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by rhettchrystal on Feb 12, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

just wait...

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by rhettchrystal on Feb 12, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Man… if I had a nickel for every time I heard that.
( i’d be upper middle class. HA! )

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by cuffs007 on Feb 12, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Norman>>Bentley or Boykins

McNutt or Criner barely are better than Streeter IMO

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by Thunder64 on Feb 12, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

why is everyone so sold on Manningham?

I don’t see it. He was the weakest of the 3 Giants receivers.

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by Joe Fisher on Feb 12, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

hes the hot topic right now

everybody saw him make a great catch on the last game of the year, hes fresh in the mind. the closer we get to free agency the sentiment will have changed

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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 12, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

what do you consider high?

having him on your radar? i dont think thats being high on him i didnt see his name mentioned anymore than any other second tier receiver out there

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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 12, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

you're right

you know what everybody thinks im sorry, i forgot that

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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 12, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm..

Did you not say this?

everybody saw him make a great catch on the last game of the year, hes fresh in the mind. the closer we get to free agency the sentiment will have changed

So I guess im not the only one who knows what everyone thinks.

You guys amaze me, you try to insult someone with something, when you said the same thing or something similar like two comments before. Dumbasses..lol

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

well youre just kind of a douch

so talking to you is mostly a waste of time because you dont try to make any valid points you just try to sit there and say how everybodys wrong

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

so thats why i just conceded that you were right

because i dont want to get into an argument over something that is literally impossible to determine

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 14, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

You can determine it.

if you look at all the post from before the Super Bowl, I saw absolutely no one on this site, mention Manningham as anything but either a #2 or a back up if they didn’t get Douglas.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 14, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah but now theyre mentioning him as the desired number two guy

whereas before a guy like meachem or douglas were the desired pick. thats the only reason i said it. manningham was undefined he was just one of a possible group and it seems now his name has risen up more than before. why? idk could be the superbowl could not but it has

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 14, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

You have to be kidding

So your saying he went from just an “Option #2” to a “desired #2”? Wow, thats just priceless.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 14, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

First off, its spelled douche

and I wasn’t trying to prove you wrong I was just mentioning the fact that no real opinions have change on the guy when you are trying to say the opposite. Everyone that wanted him, wanted him as a #2 guy and that has not changed.

You started the little insulting thing for whatever reason.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 14, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

im not saying the position he is playing would change

im saying the fact that people want him over meachem and douglas has changed. and the only reason you commented on my comment was to try to establish that i was wrong on basically an opinion comment

Cold Blooded

by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 14, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

No my point in commenting was to say that no one has changed their opinion

you were just pulling something from nowhere. And it wasn’t an opionion, you said:

everybody saw him make a great catch on the last game of the year, hes fresh in the mind. the closer we get to free agency the sentiment will have changed

Thats you making a random statement as if it were true.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 14, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He's still good...

…and this is why…Pierre Garcon won’t leave Indy, they won’t let him leave. Meachem will stay in New Orleans if Colston leaves because he’s a cheaper option, Manningham will most likely leave, and has the best chance of coming here, because he wants to start, and he doesn’t start in New York anymore. He’s not great, but he’ll be a good #2.

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by rhettchrystal on Feb 12, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not that good

As I said earlier in the week, I refuse to fall in love with a player simply because of performance in a Super Bowl.

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by Joe Fisher on Feb 12, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, Valentine’s Day is coming up… so fall in love with him anyhow.
hee hee

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by cuffs007 on Feb 12, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Indy would ever Franchise Garcon and idk if he wants to stay in indy

Indy is entering “rebuilding” mode, especially if they let Manning go, and why stay on a 3-6 win team when you can be signed by a possible contender? I’m not saying he’d choose Jax but I dont think he’d choose Indy, either.

by Jags85 on Feb 12, 2012 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Is Garcon a Restricted or Unrestricted F.A.?

Because that would completely change the dynamics…in that case Garcon will have very little say

by Jags85 on Feb 12, 2012 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Idk if I would agree with that

he isn’t better than Nicks but Cruz is a slot guy, its hard to compare what he does to a guy who plays outside

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 12, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

being weaker than nicks and cruz is not a lot to go on

they had amazing seasons. He’s relatively cheaper and he never touched the ball as much as he could have without them. He has promise.

by Dwalk1217 on Feb 12, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i love lamichael james

That all would be a dream come true

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by TheTealDeal on Feb 12, 2012 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

he'd be that #3 scat back.

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by rhettchrystal on Feb 12, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine by me

If Jennings has any more injuries, I feel he would be a good fill in at RB #2

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by TheTealDeal on Feb 13, 2012 7:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm guessing Jennings' injury is an aberration

Or at least hoping as much. I don’t recall hearing about any surgery and he said he was ready to go midseason. I’m really forward to seeing what he can do.

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by unhipcat on Feb 13, 2012 7:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

scat is a good word

I don’t trust a running back with a history of dislocated elbows or domestic violence issues.

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by Joe Fisher on Feb 14, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This is it

You know how people always say save the best for last? This had better be the best off season under Gene ever.

I need my meds.

by viralencore on Feb 12, 2012 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Or he’ll be fired.

Gene isn’t Khan’s guy and he doesn’t seem like he’s going to give Gene another 2-3 years to fix his own mess, because that’s what this team is right now. Gene’s mess.

by Alfie Crow on Feb 12, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re a lot closer to the situation than me, however outward appearances show Khan has a lot of respect for Gene.

by muddyballs on Feb 12, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

respect only goes so far

you can fire someone you respect if they dont do their job. this year will tell if gene has done his job right

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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 12, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Me neither

Success is part of the job description.

As for whether or not Gene is “Khan’s Guy” – I do remember Wayne Weaver saying that Khan approved the new 3 year contract for Gene and his staff.

by pksiv on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

my old boss respected the hell out of me when he tried to fire me.

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by Joe Fisher on Feb 14, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's wrong.

We’re definately not a mess right now. As muddy said, we really are just a passing attack away from being a playoff contender. The Colts are a mess and we’re not them by a long shot. We actually have a foundation in place. And from what I’ve seen and heard from Khan, if he didn’t think Gene was the guy to make the decisions, he would’ve fired him (contract extension or not).

by kjones407 on Feb 12, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's some quotes on Gene from Khan

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400617/gene-frenette/2012-01-05/gene-frenette-shahid-khan-feels-comfortable-gm-gene

“What’s happened since then is I’ve gotten to know him and he has a huge amount
of information. He’s objective, prepared and organized. Most importantly, he’s
open. It’s not my way or the highway. ‘You question this, so it shows you don’t
trust me.’ It’s none of that. I had questions on some people he recommended [for
head coach], he went back and took a look. He takes no offense to anything.
Whether it’s about coaches, what to do or not to do, he’s turned out to be the
ideal person.

“If I came in and thought [Smith] had a closed mind or tremendous ego, I
wouldn’t want to work with him. I’d be better off starting fresh with somebody
else. After spending a boatload of money [$760 million on the franchise], I’m
not going to stick with somebody just because I don’t know the business. I’m
convinced he’s the right guy. As an incoming owner, you have choices as to who
you want to work with. I’ve been absolutely impressed. I had no agenda or
viewpoint coming in. I had a blank piece of paper. Gene Smith is absolutely one
of the key resources, one of the things right about the Jaguars.”

by pksiv on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

ok i dont think that allows us to spend 50 mil this offseason

getting all this info online and im no math genius so if im wrong please correct me!

this year our payroll was around 107 mil the cap number was 124 mil so teams that spent over that mark are considered over the cap and cant really sign any big name players

if we go out this year and roll over and get the equivalent to 50 million in cap space and spend that that means our payroll would be 157 million

with us spending up to the cap that would result in us not being able to roll any money over

taking into consideration the nfl payroll only going up about a couple million a year we could hope for 130 mil at best for the 2012 season

so our payroll would be 157 mil without any resignings after the 2012 season and the max a team could spend would be 130 mil. so we would be quite a bit over the cap

now a team can manipulate the cap hit on any certain year but with almost 27 mil over idk if a team could get around that so we wouldnt technically be able to spend all of it if that train of thought is correct

if im wrong let me know cuz i want to figure this out as much as anybody! lol

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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 12, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

I believe that everything that you’ve said is correct. One thing that the Jags could do is front-load a bunch of contracts so that we spend more money next year than in the following years, but even so it seems hard to believe that we could manipulate $25 million over the cap down to zero.

Also, even if we got down to the cap for next year, there would be little money left over to re-sign our own free agents, like Knighton. I would not be surprised to see us rollover maybe $10 mil but I don’t think we’ll use all $32 mil.

by MJDforHOF!!! on Feb 12, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

ok good i wasnt to sure that what i was thinking was right

but i agree i think this rule allows for alot more wiggle room but it wont allow us to be the New York yankees of football like some people believe, i think 10 to 13 mil would be the perfect amount to carry over

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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 12, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

off topic---------------

I still think nekkid cheerleaders would solve a lot of the attendance issues

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by cuffs007 on Feb 12, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Probably.

But then we’d have nothing but guys at the game and none of them would be paying attention to the game. Hell, the players might not even focus on the game. Lastly, sure as hell wouldn’t be getting any primetime games. All of our games would have to be seen via PPV.

by kjones407 on Feb 12, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry....

what did you say? I was busy looking at nekkid cheerleaders.

Sean

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by cuffs007 on Feb 12, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

When?

Can all of these signings happen? What is the date that teams can start actually signing? I’m getting way too excited.

PeterrJohn

by PeterrJohn on Feb 12, 2012 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully all of this money won’t be wasted on DTs we don’t need and washed up FAs

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by NoChorus on Feb 12, 2012 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

Yes because Gene has gone DT in UFA alot

We Have a lot of $ to spend and an owner who wants to win. Gene will go after top players don’t worry.

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by Thunder64 on Feb 12, 2012 9:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't think Gene will be going after a DT in FA...

you can feel assured Gene knows the teams needs and will be targeting them, regardless of the tone of your comment.

by muddyballs on Feb 13, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

But then

The next year we have to make extreme cuts. And if you go over, do you have to go below the cap the next season? I wouldnt expect the Jags to go way over but now they have flexibility.

by childintime12 on Feb 12, 2012 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

This team needs some true Pro Bowlers that can affect a game by themselves

Besides MJD, we don’t have anyone else who can affect the outcome of the game like a true pro bowler. Let’s use some money and go out and get a guy like Mario Williams or Dwayne Bowe to have some true stars in Jacksonville. Our defense is a true star and a draft pick or two away from being great. Our offense is two starting WRs and a developed QB away from being solid. We have a good chance at making a playoff run next year so lets go for it!

by Dwalk1217 on Feb 12, 2012 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

boy, I'll bet that caught Gene Smith by surprise

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