NFL Free Agency 2012: Marques Colston, Saints Haven't Talked Long-Term Contract
by Alfie Crow on Feb 13, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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The Jacksonville Jaguars will be on the hunt for at least one wide receiver in the 2012 free agency period, and most expect the Jaguars to target one of the top receivers. One of those receivers could be New Orleans Saints star-receiver Marques Colston, who the Saints have yet to even talk contract with, according to a report by the National Football Post.
It's possible Marques Colston will be a former Saint in the near future. The Saints have made no attempts to re-sign the star wide receiver up to this point. The front office has been pre-occupied with trying to work out a new deal for Drew Brees. If the Saints can't sign Brees, they likely will use the franchise tag on him, giving them one less way to retain Colston. Also complicating the issue is the pending free agency of guard Carl Nicks. Given the cash outlay this team will be facing, the Saints may have to choose between Colston and Nicks.
Colston has had at least 1,000 receiving yards and 5 receiving touchdowns in his six-year career, except for the 2008 season when he played just 11 games due to injury. Outside of overall explosion and top-end speed, injuries are one of the big concerns a team will have to factor in when thinking about signing Colston to a big-time deal in free agency. He's played a full 16 games just three times in his career, but it's tough to argue with his production and consistency when he's on the football field.
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Wouldn't complain, but would be worried.
He is a very good WR, especially when it comes to making in traffic catches, and no doubt has good character, but man double microfracture knee surgeries is extremely scary.
Co-sign
Seems like a GREAT DUDE. Dbl microfracture scares the bejesus out of me for a savior #1 WR.
by Dan.The.Man. on Feb 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Its going to take some big cash to sign him
5yrs/40mil or so. Something similiar to Roddy White’s deal if not bigger.
id rather see vince jackson in black and teal.
by tellitlikeitistc on Feb 13, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions
Colston - a Brees by-product.
This one has a stink on it that I hope the Jags avoid.
The Teal and Black are comin' back!
Then Vincent Jackson is a Rivers by-product. Stevie Johnson is a Fitzpatrick by-product. Laurent Robinson is a Romo by-product. Manningham is a Manning by-product.
That’s how this works, right?
Obviously, not.
I’m not an idiot, Alf. I just don’t see a superb receiver when I watch Colston. More than most, I think his success is a product of the system he is in. I could be wrong, or I could be write. But, your response is obviously not what I was thinking.
But, at least it was cute. :)
Colston, potential bust FA, in my opinion. That’s it.
The Teal and Black are comin' back!
This was meant to be under Alfie's retort...
…not this one from jagz
The Teal and Black are comin' back!
I would say,
the vast majority of players in the NFL are products of their system.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
I disagree
You ever seen Colston run routes? The guy is a pro.
Or get hit in traffic and still hold on to the ball? Colston is the real deal.
The first free agent wide receiver we get
…better be able to consistently get separation. I’m tired of seeing our guys blanketed in every key situation. The second WR can be great with his hands and his body. I wouldn’t mind if we end up with Colston, but I would think we’re going after other targets first.
Jags ticket holder since 1995.
Of all the #1 receivers that the Jaguars could target I think Colston would be the best. Both of the Jacksons are locker room viruses and it looks like Johnson will stay in Buffalo. If we could sign Colston, and maybe a lower tier WR, Gabbert would finally have a decent WR to throw to. The only problem would be Colston’s injury concerns, but he does seem to have stayed consistent over his career.
"Viva los Zapatistas y la Revolucion"
I'm hoping to have #12 on our team
And I’m Not talking about McCown
by Jags85 on Feb 13, 2012 2:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I just read that Randy Moss want to play again.
Ant takers? Pros and Cons please?
by JagSoldier on Feb 13, 2012 3:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Where was he a lockerroom problem?
by Alfie Crow on Feb 13, 2012 3:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Was refering to the comments by Brad Childress and the incident with the Bill O’Brien while with the Patriots.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6853664/ex-minnesota-vikings-coach-brad-childress-rips-randy-moss
Well, by all accounts that locker room didn’t like Childress to begin with. I’m not sure that deems Moss as a “problem”.
There were also comments made by former teammates Tedy Bruschi and Brett Favre. The latter coming after Moss blew up at a caterer. But moral of the story is based on comments and reports he doesn’t sound like a positive locker room presense. I don’t know the guy so I might be totally wrong just my opinion
by kterr on Feb 13, 2012 4:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He yelled at a caterer? Well if thats the case then he should be booted from the league once and for all.
Come on Man! We are talking about one of the best WRs ever. Yeah he is old and by no means should be the #1 by really, why wouldnt you want him for a 1-2 year deal. Compared to who we got I would take him and let him ho slap every caterer in the cafeteria.
That was actually a big deal because he insulted a family that has been catering the Vikings camp for years and years.
They come in for a big day, and the team shows their support of locals, etc. I’m not saying that incident is the end of the world, but it certainly reveals what a spoiled, ungrateful, entitled piece of crap Moss is.
Also, as far as the fact he is one of the greatest WRs ever, so what? Jerry Rice is the GOAT, but I don’t wanna sign him either. Randy Moss is done. Stick a fork in him.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
Lets not forget this quote "I play when i want to play ." during his early years with the vikings
He also ran over a parking attendant and at times quit on his teammates during his career. I can honestly say he is not a gene smith guy.
by leopold332002 on Feb 13, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing to see here..move along move along
by Jags85 on Feb 13, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'll take Colston
I don’t think he’ll command a huge deal, which will leave more money for a 2nd WR FA signing, and/or DE FA signing.
Sounds good!
The only free agent wrs that I think could rival colston are bowe, v jackson and maybe johnson. However colston and v jax are the only ones I see possibly making it to free agency. Out of those two its almost a no-brainer as to who seems more likely for us to pick up. Hope I’m correct, Colston!!!
by MJDforHOF!!! on Feb 13, 2012 4:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In other news, according to John Clayton:
“Mario Williams is expected to be franchised by Houston if a long-term deal can not be reached”.
by Jags85 on Feb 13, 2012 4:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Houston must have some deep pockets..lol
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 13, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Thats what my thoughts are!
I dont know how they could do it…
by Jags85 on Feb 13, 2012 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That doesn't match up what McClain says...
He says it’ll take a “hometown discount” for the Texans to keep him.
Garcon VS Colston
Looking at various things such as age, production and injury history, I would go after WR Pierre Garcon and try to steal him from our division rival, the Colts. Garcon is three years younger (25) then Colston, similiar production last year (947 yards, 6 TD’s) has has two wonderful healthy knees.
I like Colston a lot and would like to get both of these WR’s. One is tall with good hands (MC) and Garcon is very, very quick with great hands. I think these two would pair up well. But if I had my choice, I probably take the Mount Union product (not named Shorts).
Why is it assumed that the Colts are going to resign him? Money speaks volumes. I would make this priority # 1 and offer Garcon #1 WR money and bring him to J’ville.
Thoughts?
I just don't see Indy letting Garcon walk
We know Reggie Wayne’s gone, and they’re blowing up the place, but if the house is going to be burned to the ground, at least try to get some of the family heirlooms out
by BASE_D_JAGSS on Feb 13, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
The only way I see him staying is if Indy throws a lot of money at or Franchise Garcon, which I see neither happening
Like I mentioned before, why be on a 3-6 win Rebuilding team when you could be on a possible contender. Garcon would have to really, Really love Indy…but one things for sure…money speaks
by Jags85 on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because Garcon isn’t nearly as good as Colston? Overpaying Garcon would a horrible, horrible move.
And I’m not sure what Garcon you watch, but his hands are hardly great.
Really
Really? Garcon’s stats say he’s just as good as Colston. And he’s probably a bit cheeper.
They are a perfect pair. We should go get both of them. And yes, he’s hands are just fine.
Stats don't lie. Colston and Garcon drop passes. Bowe dead last at nearly 14%
Colston does not have much better hands then Garcon. And Colston is nearly 30 with bad knees who happens to be really slow. Yes, I will take Garcon over Colston. He’s cheeper, much younger, a burner and has similar stats.
Wide Receivers, Bottom 10 Drop Percentage, 2008-2010
Rank: Rec: Drops: Drop%:
39 Marques Colston NO 220 30 250 12.00%
40 Pierre Garcon IND 144 20 164 12.20%
41 DeSean Jackson PHI 187 26 213 12.21%
42 Randy Moss MIN 185 26 211 12.32%
43 Terrell Owens CIN 196 28 224 12.50%
44 Dwayne Bowe KC 205 33 238 13.87
Source: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/23/drop-percentage/
Source: Drops are a subjective and made up statistic.
Colston has much, much better hands than Garcon. Citing a website who outsources game watching to anyone who volunteers to do so for them really means nothing, because it just means you’ve got 10 different definitions of what a “catchable pass” and a “drop” is.
I’m not sure what world you live in, but 947 yards and 6 TDs in 16 games isn’t similar to 1,143 and 8 TD’s in 14 games. It’s a near 300 yard difference in two less games.
Planet Earth
I live on Planet Earth. And you are not a justified source. For some reason, you seem to think you know everything related to football. And you clearly are not a math major. That is 196 yard difference, not 300. And yes, Garcon numbers are nearly identical to Colston. And he’s nearly 30 and he’s got bum knees.
Stats do lie
I loathe the expression “stats don’t lie.” Show me a statistic that a stat tells the whole story. The only thing that comes close in my mind is YPC, and even that can be skewed by fewer carries or a dominant O-Line.
In the case of drops, there’s a lot more that would have to be examined. Of these guys who has the most/least targets? Who was their Quarterback? Was it a Mercedes Lewis style drop, or the kind that Mario Manningham was a fraction of an inch away from having in the superbowl? Was it a drop or did the defender knock the ball away?
Also, it would be ridiculous to put that much stock into these stats because they don’t include the most relevant year heading into free agency…2011! I have a feeling Garcon, Jackson and Bowe’s numbers would all look a bit different, and the list as a whole would be much different.
Also, if you look at guys like Moss and Owens, those stats don’t represent who they are now, as neither has really done anything since 2010, which wasn’t a particularly good year for Moss as it was.
Garcon is a #2 at best IMO, he has yet to reach 1000 yds.
Colston averages better than 1000 yds. per season. Those are #1 numbers.
Here's my worry...
The Saints don’t seem to be concerned with his leaving if they haven’t even addressed his contract yet. If they don’t care about keeping him, why do we think he’s so great?
Fidelis Ad Mortem
Couldn't the same argument be made for all/most FA's?
And the Brees negotiation eats up a lot of bandwidth, I’m not sure it’s a simple as they just don’t care enough.
by JohnnyBiceps on Feb 13, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Saints have cap issues...
and they need to sign Brees, that won’t help their cap problems. Probably aren’t talking to anyone until Brees deal gets done.
Colston
I’ll take him, and I think he’s a Gene type of signing. I’ll have some big worries if he’s the best we get all off season long. Not my favorite choice by a long shot.
Sucks that DJax is getting franchised. I was hoping between him, Vincent Jackson and Stevie Johnson fewer calls would be made to a Bowe, Colston or Wallace. Not banking on Wallace being available as-is.
Lol honestly I don't even want him
I just wanted fewer teams pursuing other guys, lol.
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