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In Gene we trust? Character Issue WRs:

I learned something new today: After reading the Times Union article "Preaching to the Chior Boys" and the corresponding discussion on BCC something that Alfie wrote earlier today about Gene Smith got my mind churning.

I said on twitter yesterday, we’ll get to see how much of the character thing was Gene Smith and how much of it was Weaver. They tried to trade for Moss when he was in Oakland, and Weaver said no.

by Alfie Crow on Feb 15, 2012 6:46 AM PST

Well.....ummmm...WHAT?! I definitely didn't know that. Maybe everyone we consider "Gene Guys" were really "Weaver Guys?" Interesting hypothesis...

Per the corresponding article:

"Contrary to his reputation, Smith says it’s a bit extreme to think he wants a locker room full of choir boys. Yes, he wants high-character players, but doesn’t necessarily disqualify those who have a red flag on their resume."

Who are all the WRs on the market with what we call "non-Gene issues" or prima donnas? And does this mean we actually have a chance to pick any of them?

Star-divide

Steve Johnson, Age: 26 - While he drops a pretty good amount of passes and has a very Ocho Cinco-ish type of personality the guy is a bona fied field stretcher. Moderate risk, moderate reward.

Vincent Jackson, Age: 29 - 6-5, 230 deep ball threat. Legitimate #1 WR, but he most definitely has his risks. Due to his past DUIs Jackson is one strike away from being home for a season. High risk, high reward.

Brandon Lloyd, Age: 31 - While many fans won't rave over this pick up no one can argue that it wouldn't help out our skidish QB having a consistent play maker like Lloyd on the outside. Moderate risk, high reward.

Braylon Edwards, Age: 29 - Edwards was just terrible this past year...and a prima donna. But, he was battling injuries throughout the year. He won't ask for a large contract and he should be over his injuries by the end of this off season.Low risk, moderate reward.

Jerome Simpson, Age: 26 - Yes, the front flip guy from Cincy. Anyone who's watched the kid play knows he's definitely talented. Depending on the type of contract he will require he may be worth a look. Low risk, moderate reward. Apparently may be looking at jail time or suspension at the least. Next!

Plaxico Burress, Age: 35 - Burress finished last season with 8 touchdowns in an offense where he was the number two WR. He most definitely comes with the risk that he could shoot himself in the other leg or retire next year, but I doubt it. Low risk, high reward.

Randy Moss, Age: 35 - This has been explained in enough detail here lol... Low risk, high reward.

Terrell Owens, Age 38: Assuming maturity comes with age, perhaps he could be signed at a short term, discount rate contract? Same category as Moss, with arguably less drama. Low risk, high reward.

While I'm not sure if I even have an opinion yet on the chances of us picking any of them up, I figure the chances have to be at least moderate that we get one of the seven. Personally, I'm excited about the potential for a game breaking WR here! Remember, the last Pro Bowl WR we had here had drug problems (Jimmy Smith). Don't be so quick to forget that people. #IJS

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The subject in itself (Gene vs Weaver) definitely worth talking about more Alfie... :)

Didn’t know how much of an involvement Weaver had…was it just “hey, this is the type of team that I want representing Jax. Build it.”? And Gene chose good guys only? I’m curious about how the dynamics will work with Khan at the helm…

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 15, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

I believe if a guy is willing to work and make a commitment to not making the same mistakes again, he is worth a shot. We have all made mistakes. It would be a sad world without forgiveness.

Fidelis Ad Mortem

by JPQ! on Feb 15, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Jerome Simpson has some NFLsuspension time coming at the very least, and maybe jail time at worst.

He was caught getting 2.5 pounds of marijuana shipped to his home, and there was 6 pounds and paraphernalia in his house. I would say most teams will wait to see how that is resolved. I would cross him off the list.

Fidelis Ad Mortem

by JPQ! on Feb 15, 2012 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

LOL...good to know...I'll stikethough and add someone else

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 15, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Nicely done. You have been killing it with your pieces. Lots of good stuff.

Here’s a link on the Simpson story, apparently he has court on Monday, and faces 1-5 years if convicted. For the record, he has plead not guilty.

Fidelis Ad Mortem

by JPQ! on Feb 15, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

What about reggie wayne?

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

The Problem with our Wide recievers is that they're never wide open and they have trouble receiving the ball...

by TheTealDeal on Feb 15, 2012 3:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Does he have character issues? First I heard of it...

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 15, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

No chracter issues

But you could possibly add Dwayne Bowe to the list, though most of his red flags are in the past.

by Ewdtrey on Feb 15, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't even think of it. He's been pretty good recently.

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 15, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry i just saw a list of wrs

And assumed it was any fa wr

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"

The Problem with our Wide recievers is that they're never wide open and they have trouble receiving the ball...

by TheTealDeal on Feb 15, 2012 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm NOT a fan of Braylon Edwards.

That cat drops a LOT of passes. You are right about he would probably come on a smaller contract.

Fidelis Ad Mortem

by JPQ! on Feb 15, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure anyone ever said Gene

was looking for Choir boys.

Sure, fans may have blown it out of proportion and fans usually do, but all he’s ever said is he want high character.

I’ve seen it written before that the guys don’t have to be perfect and can have bad marks in their past, as long as they appear to have learned from these things are are mature enough for them not to repeat.

by pksiv on Feb 15, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

but even if weaver nixed the moss trade, that would've been back in like 2005-2007 range....

which would mean that SHACK and NOT GENE wouldve been proposing the trade to wayne. So, I’m not necessarily sure that we can use the Moss trade as an actual barometer for gauging what’s acceptable to Gene. I agree tho that there should be more discussion, if possible, about this topic

by grues0809 on Feb 15, 2012 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

What Alfie is saying by "they" is that weaver must have had some the gms on some type of leash. The question remains, how short?

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 15, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, you got a lot of these "reward" ideas wrong.

Plax, Moss and TO are all well over the hill. There’s not going to be a high reward with any of them, they’re ancient. Plus even if they do play well, they’ll only play well for one more season, so is it even worth it?

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by Brian Levenson on Feb 15, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

I think

TO has the most upside of those guys I would say, but he’s only got moderate upside.

by Ewdtrey on Feb 15, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

+1000

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 15, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree. I thouroghly believe theat Burress has at least two to three years left as a good #2.

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 15, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

No way

he’s getting slower and slower. He’s very limited in what he can do.

by Ewdtrey on Feb 15, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If 8 tds is a limited Burress I'll take two please...lol

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 15, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey I had a title like this a while back…… I expect some royalties in the mail, or I’ll see you in court.

by ecuajags on Feb 15, 2012 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

You can have my house? It's upside down and has a wolf living in the backyard. Please? Lol

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 15, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The only guy I want out of the whole group

is Stevie Johnson. I feel that all of his “issues” can be corrected by putting strong leaders around him in the locker room. This team needs speed and he has tons of it.

by Jagtastic on Feb 16, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

But the other question would remain, how many offensive "strong leaders" do we have?

I mean, we don’t have anything offensively that Buffalo didn’t……

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 16, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

We had the leagues leading rusher.

That has to count for something and MJD should more than count as a “strong leader”. But more than that, with the type of players Gene has brought in, I don’t there was an emphasis put on players who leads in a rah-rah manner ala Ray Lewis. I think the emphasis was put on players who could come in and lead by example such as Aaron Kampman.

by kjones407 on Feb 16, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Great example. Kampman lol...lead by talking, but not doing anything.

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 16, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not fair.

I’m not sure if you were joking or not but it’s not like anybody can question whether Kampman wanted to be out there or not. I’m sure if injuries wouldn’t have gotten in the way, he’d readily be out there helping the team in every way he could.

by kjones407 on Feb 16, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

But injuries did get in the way...so he did nothing but collect money.

We have coaches, we don’t need to keep players around on salary to be “coaches” to other players. The Kampman signing was a failure. Great idea, glad we tried it, but it didn’t work out.

Fidelis Ad Mortem

by JPQ! on Feb 16, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It's football...It's a results oriented business....at the end of the day "want", "desire", and "will" don't matter much if the customer isn't on the field.

Unfortunate, but it is what it is.

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 16, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

What's your point?

Aaron Kampman was only brought up to illustrate the type of leaders I think Gene are pursuing. To use another example for a player that has been injured for only a small stint and produces on the field, Eugene Monroe. He’s our franchise LT and he doesn’t speak much but his actions speak for themselves.

by kjones407 on Feb 16, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He's produced enough to warrant his pick and contract. In reference to Kampman, I can't say as much.

My entire point of the matter was that the Jags have no one currently on the roster who is a locker room leader over and above what Buffalo’s locker room offers. That still remains true to me after this convo.

Kampman likely won’t be here (and he’s not a leader on the field anyways, if he’s not ON the field). MJD would be the closest thing, yet I still don’t term him as that. We have nothing of the sort of locker room it would require to get Steve Johnson acting right. #PointBlankPeriod

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 16, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a core of players

that have been drafted and should now be mature and comfortable enough to lay down the law if need be. I’m not advocating the need for players to coach em up, I totally believe that’s the coaches job. The players I speak of are: Nwaneri, Britton, Monroe, Marcedes and MJD. Meester is already a leader on offense.

I’m not familiar enough with Buffalo to speak on their player’s leadership ability.

by Jagtastic on Feb 16, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't lie, neither am I (up to date on Buffalo). It just doesn't seem that we have much over what they have to me...

so with that being said just figured if he’s going to “act a fool” there, then I just think he’d likely do the same here (in another small market, just like Buffalo)….not like an established team like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New England, or Green Bay. You know who the leader(s) are in each of those locker rooms without thinking for more than five seconds. All I mean.

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 16, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

character issues?

Steve Johnson is one of the biggest characters in the NFL, whats the problem ;) Here’s for the Jags signing T.O. from the IFL, Randy Moss and if Ocho gets released, BAM pick him up to….automatically the most feared WR corp in the NFL….boom bang ditty

by kgist86 on Feb 16, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

Lol....smh

"Sad fact about our generation: Most ppl would rather hear "you look good" than "you are good". We spend thousands a year on cars, clothes, & cosmetics; Forget that. I can give you a Bible for free. Save money, save your soul. Get right with the Savior, Jesus Christ."- Travis D. Holmes

by T.Holmes on Feb 17, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

worth the $$$

moss or to or plax would = great publicity and help with ticket sales..sign em and cut em after the preseason if they cant perform,

by tellitlikeitistc on Feb 18, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

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